Hodi face seems like "the Joker" on Dark Knight??
Can't wait to know the reason for his revenge on the next chapter..
Or a few chapters from now, like how we had to wait for Jinbe's plan to be revealed.
Hodi face seems like "the Joker" on Dark Knight??
Can't wait to know the reason for his revenge on the next chapter..
Or a few chapters from now, like how we had to wait for Jinbe's plan to be revealed.
Hody is a goddamn genocidal racist, who plans the extinction of a whole race (maybe just global enslavement when he feels like being a nice guy), who simply deemed all the lives of his own people and his subordinates worthless, being completely okay with the fact that he is just about to destroy a goddamn island, causing the death of millions.
How do these two even compare?I don't hate Hody.
I just absolutely don't get you guys. Saying Hody is redeemable is like saying Caribou is going to join the crew, it's just not going to happen.
I mean, Oda didn't even redeem other guys that aren't as bad in comparison:
The CP9 killed a bunch of pirates invading a town, murdering them so brutally that the saved people were shocked by them.
Wapol is still a rich prick.
Crocodile is still…well, Crocodile.
Enel is chilling on the moon, probably thinking about invading earth or some crazy shit like that.
I'm not even saying that he is going to die in the end, I wouldn't even mind a cover story, basically I'm just saying that it's completely impossible for hody to come up as a good or decent person after this arc. No sad flashback of him being enslaved/treated badly by humans can make up for his heinous acts in this arc.
Think about it, the only really bad guy who got redeemed in this manga is Hachi. That's it.
You just don't like Hody. Wapol basically killed, rob, and cut his own people from medicare. Rob Lucci killed soilders and ppl looking for his help because weakness is a sin in his eyes. Yet, they moved on from their past. Hody dos not need to be reddeed. Just move on with his life like previos villians.
Something big has yet to happen to him, he hasn't even taken ES since his transformation, and are we really not expecting him to do so anymore? Luffy & Fuka are going to continue to overpower him, and he's not going to give up until he has his way. He hasn't even snapped yet (like Arlong did). Either he's gonna OD on ES again (this time, killing him), or he'll get so carried away with himself once he does "beat" Luffy and a fatal accident happens.
Actually he has just taken one ES…
Bottom right panel: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/59032007/19
He swallows a pill (the untranslated bubble is the sound of gulping).
I seriously don't like Hody at all. I'm just ready for the next arc…
Isn't not liking Hodi the reason to like an arc? Hes a villain…
Actually he has just taken one ES…
Bottom right panel: http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/59032007/19
He swallows a pill (the untranslated bubble is the sound of gulping).
Wow, so he took another pill??? I thought that after the transformation there will be no effect for the pill.
Wow, so he took another pill??? I thought that after the transformation there will be no effect for the pill.
Yes he did.
Aohige confirmed it:
@Aohige_AP:
FYI, the MS translator didn't translate the sound of eating, but second to the last page, Hody pops another pill.
So he definitely didn't just shurg off Luffy's attacks, he senzu-himself again.
Nothing much really happened in the chapter expect for the revelation that Hodi as another <
<form>> … well we will see what Fukaboshi meant by that next week.</form>
I have a theory that involves the BB pirates, but I'll save that for another thread. :ninja:
No, Arlong is still in Marine custody. []
Why would anyone think he's free in the first place? lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Since we'll get a colorspread in the next chapter, I wonder if we'll see the colors of the NFP officers (Rene had good ideas in the col.-prediction-thread).
I hope Oda'll drop another bomb with Hody's true form.
My prediction to nag translators:
Hody's true form will be a super-hax-sawfish-shark-sayajin! :ninja:
No, seriously, I'll hope Oda will blow our minds with Hody's past.
The only bomb we got so far in this arc was Tiger being a slave at MJ, a tenryuubito shipwreck @ FI and Shirahoshi being able to call sea kings.
In the first pages of this thread people complaint, that they didn't understand this chap's content because there was a short flashback in it bout the air tank, or "Hody's true form" (which was so obvious what Fuckaboshi meant after he asked Hody what the hell he is!)
To all the readers who are still confused a lil bit, stop reading a story thats too complicated for u. I'll suggest u read sum more simple story like Whinie the Poo. :ninja:
thank god Aohige provides us with good and contently right translations, cause sumtimes MS or MR really screw things up!
so cobra is dying huh
Nah he's just sick enough to be taken off the table for the Reverie arc so Vivi can have the Alabasta spotlight all to herself, but not sick enough to be dying.
So Igaram grew a mustache too huh…I find it a bit funny how a lot of characters decided to grow facial hair during the timeskip.
So Igaram grew a mustache too huh…I find it a bit funny how a lot of characters decided to grow facial hair during the timeskip.
they must've seen the epic campaigns the mustaches had in this years tournament and want to have a shot at the title by mustaching theirselves
Does someone know how Odas wife is doing? I hope she isn
t ill anymore.
No, Arlong is still in Marine custody. []
Why would anyone think he's free in the first place? lolzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Other than what any character has told us, is there any real way to prove this?
You just don't like Hody. Wapol basically killed, rob, and cut his own people from medicare. Rob Lucci killed soilders and ppl looking for his help because weakness is a sin in his eyes. Yet, they moved on from their past. Hody dos not need to be reddeed. Just move on with his life like previos villians.
Yeah, I think I now a little better which characters I like myself, don't you think? And where did I say that redemption was needed? I just commented on Kishidos post where he said that everyone can be redeemed, which I claimed to be bullshit.
I just don't really understand you? What does one person need to do in your eyes to be considered worse than the two above? How does being a mass murderer and corrupt king compare with racist mass-killer.
I mean, just read it out loud. Racist mass-killer… that's like one of the worst things you can be in real fucking life.
I'm not even trying to get into an argument here, I just honestly want to hear you reasoning. Try to explain to me exactly how Lucci and Wapol are just as bad.
@Don:
Does someone know how Oda
s wife is doing? I hope she isn
t ill anymore.
bitch better be ok, we got manga to read! i'm honesly joking lol, hope shes perfectly healthy!!!!!!
I just don't see how Hody could possibly move on with his life…
Gedatsu, Wapol, Hachi, Lucci, etc. they moved away from the people they were bad to, met new people who had never known of their past actions, and made better lives for themselves.
Hody has gotten the entire Merfolk and Fishman races against him, they aren't going to want to keep him around Fishman Island, even if they "forgive" him. The only place for him to go now is the Human World, and seriously, why would HE want to go there?
Hodi hates everything just like Enel..maybe he should also find his own robot-armee and live a happy life.
@Don:
Hodi hates everything just like Enel..maybe he should also find his own robot-armee and live a happy life.
Difference is… Enel the great had no reason to hate everything he just had a god complex
This chapter showed that Hody has a shocking reason, even if he going the wrong way.
But even back than with Hody I had a strange feeling that there is more than the typical villian stuff like Enel, Croc and the others.
Oda proved it even more when showing that Hody isn't a serious challenge or threat to Luffy as well and with all his reactions in the flashback
Something was always strange and the goal won't be Luffy beats him and everything will be fine. This arc is completely about racism and Luffy had to stop this hatred and not just Hody.
That was Jinbei's plan as well. To make Luffy a hero that people can see that human aren't that bad. On top of that all the speeches of Otohime...
With this chapter my feeling came true and now we just have to wait for the story. Brohoshi himself said that no one is hating humans more than Hody and seemed shocked after hearing his story why... So a simple beating Hody won't change anything... and for sure not Hody view on humans
I can see Luffy reaching his hand as sign at the end of the fight or some stuff like that to end the circle of hatred to ALL humans and so on.
We have to wait how it will play out... For me it feels like Naruto Light (Just way better written) where some guy got on the wrong road and has to be redeemed that hatred and vengeance will stop.
Like I said… it isn't like... I have to beat Croc and everything will be fine or I have to beat Enel to save Skypia... Yeah Luffy has to beat Hody and fishmen island will be rescued... But will the true goal will reached that way?
PS: I'N NOT TALKING ABOUT HODY JOINING. JINBEI WILL JOIN
they must've seen the epic campaigns the mustaches had in this years tournament and want to have a shot at the title by mustaching theirselves
You know, I was just thinking the same thing. XD Nolus will be overjoyed!
Hody continues to pop the pills how many more till his satisfyed.
Hodi will die. The # of pills he has taken is gonna kill him for sure, just not sure when. PRobably when he somehow got luffy cornered whne it kicks in~
Hodi will die. The # of pills he has taken is gonna kill him for sure, just not sure when. PRobably when he somehow got luffy cornered whne it kicks in~
Of course he will… Now each arc we will have at least one death
Of course he will… Now each arc we will have at least one death
I believe that Oda won't start killing off more characters because of the whole Whitebeard/Ace story, but hody dying (or being crippled for life) isn't really that much of a stretch. Just saying, the pills are bad enough without the transformation effect, we don't even know what the cost for this form is. Would be pretty shitty if he comes out ok after all this. He has to pay something for this tremendous and forced change in strength.
Oda can leave him in bed for the rest of his life, then. We know Oda doesn't like killing characters unless it's absolutely necessary, so why assume everyone is going to die from now on?
I believe that Oda won't start killing off more characters because of the whole Whitebeard/Ace story, but hody dying (or being crippled for life) isn't really that much of a stretch. Just saying, the pills are bad enough without the transformation effect, we don't even know what the cost for this form is. Would be pretty shitty if he comes out ok after all this. He has to pay something for this tremendous and forced change in strength.
Oh so Hyozou who mixed that pills with alcohol will die as well.
But it is really nice to see… OK the pills are cheap and he is already paying the price for shortening his life spam. But so was pre TS Gear 2. It was a power up for Luffy but he had to pay the exact same price... Did Luffy die? And he was spamming it as well.
Hody is using EP to getting his revenge as Luffy was using Gear 2 with a risk
Oh so Hyozou who mixed that pills with alcohol will die as well.
maybe, who knows. It's a legit possibility, all I'm saying.
But it is really nice to see… OK the pills are cheap and he is already paying the price for shortening his life spam. But so was pre TS Gear 2. It was a power up for Luffy but he had to pay the exact same price... Did Luffy die? And he was spamming it as well.
Well, I always thought that was kind of lame. This "taking the lifespan away" thing was always a cop out to me. Maybe, at the end of One Piece, It will be mentioned how many years luffy lost because of that, but I don't think that will have any importance until near/at the end.
But anyway, we know for a fact that just taking the pills decreases your lifespan, but I'm really just interested in this "pop too much pills and turn white" effect. I hope there will be more to it than just decreased lifespan, since it just wouldn't feel like it's enough. The difference in strength between regular and enhanced Hody is just too big.
But again, I'm just discussing semantics here, just what the possibilities are. I'm not going to be surprised in the end if the price really is just decreased lifespan, I just wouldn't be happy with it, that's all.
So everyone will die who pops the pills. Great arc
Are you even trying to listen to me
come on man
I just want him to pay something. A long coma, staying weak for the rest of his life, something like that.
Use your imagination.
I believe that Oda won't start killing off more characters because of the whole Whitebeard/Ace story, but hody dying (or being crippled for life) isn't really that much of a stretch. Just saying, the pills are bad enough without the transformation effect, we don't even know what the cost for this form is. Would be pretty shitty if he comes out ok after all this. He has to pay something for this tremendous and forced change in strength.
I think kishido was just being sarcastic.
Are you even trying to listen to me
come on man
I just want him to pay something. A long coma, staying weak for the rest of his life, something like that.
Use your imagination.
Yeah like all other villians have paid
Something will happen… Lifespan is shortened that's for sure and I bet sooner or later his transformation will cut off and he will become the "weakling" he have been before.
But the Hody hate is over 9000 xD
Yeah like all other villians have paid
The other villains also didn't use drugs to force a grand change in their combat abilites and physical attributes.
But the Hody hate is over 9000 xD
I really hope you don't mean me, because I don't see how me wanting drugs to have consequences translates into hody hater.
@Ashura_KingFisher:
I think kishido was just being sarcastic.
I know, I just wanted to create a general consensus with Kishido on the fact how Oda won't start killing of people regularly because of the whole Whitebeard affair.
You know, just establishing some common ground.
But apparently I'm a mean Hody hater, because I think being a racist mass-killer and pill poping madman is a bad thing, welp
The other villains also didn't use drugs to force a grand change in their combat abilites and physical attributes.
I really hope you don't mean me, because I don't see how me wanting drugs to have consequences translates into hody hater.
Like I said… Strange that you don't mention any other of the drug addicts and even more Hyozou.
And he is already shortening his damn LIFE! This is as much as a payment as Gear 2 Luffy is, who is doing exactly the same just in a different manner
But whatever
Like I said… Strange that you don't mention any other of the drug addicts and even more Hyozou.
Wait, that's your deal? Dude, everything I said about the drugs and the drug-induced power up was also meant for Hyouzou.
Sorry, I thought that was as clear as the stars in the sky, being common sense and all…
And yeah, I'm fine with the other non-cracker commanders just having a decreased lifespan.
And he is already shortening his damn LIFE! This is as much as a payment as Gear 2 Luffy is, who is doing exactly the same just in a different manner
The increase of strength between base Hody and enhanced Hody is bigger than base Luffy and Gear 2 Luffy.
So do people think that the first villain of the new part to actually die, becoming the first villain, if I'm not mistaken, to die?
Hodi's fate is a complete mystery. Will become even more so once we get insight into him and to me that makes him insteresting. Waking up after a beating ready to begin a new won't be it though.
Anybody notice Luffy used Haki to deliver the blast blow of the chapter. A non stretched Haki punch.
I wonder why Luffy didn't use Haki on the G2 punch. Storytelling wise I'm guessing it's because Oda is still holding the level of power that 1-shotted Pacifista back, to emphasize just how much force such a feat takes and that it won't be getting trivialized, but from an in-universe perspective it seems a bit odd to me that Luffy is pretty much set on taking Hody down and still pulls his punches.
Also, it seems like the hardened punches are about as damaging as G2 attacks, though slower and with less force behind them. Makes sense I suppose since Candle Armor Luffy was a steel breaker in Little Garden and his hardened body parts should easily be harder than Galdino's wax.
Are you even trying to listen to me
come on man
I just want him to pay something. A long coma, staying weak for the rest of his life, something like that.
Use your imagination.
To be honest, I hope something like being stuck as Chibi-Hody forever (like Luffy post-Gear 3, before TS).
Wait, that's your deal? Dude, everything I said about the drugs and the drug-induced power up was also meant for Hyouzou.
Sorry, I thought that was as clear as the stars in the sky, being common sense and all…
And yeah, I'm fine with the other non-cracker commanders just having a decreased lifespan.The increase of strength between base Hody and enhanced Hody is bigger than base Luffy and Gear 2 Luffy.
Is that so?
Where was it ever said that EPs gives you better stenght feats than Gear 2?
And sorry I find Gear 2 power up more impressive than for example transformed Hody.
But let us stop it here. You has your thinking that it isn't enough for him to have a shortened lifespam I say yes.
Its esteroids we are talking about, they increase some parts, and decrease others. thats it…
But medicin overdose normally does cause some shit... So I think he will actually like pass out during the fight (or would, if Luffy didn't do it for him) or something, but no long-time effects, except the life shortening one.
Yeah, I think I now a little better which characters I like myself, don't you think? And where did I say that redemption was needed? I just commented on Kishidos post where he said that everyone can be redeemed, which I claimed to be bullshit.
I just don't really understand you? What does one person need to do in your eyes to be considered worse than the two above? How does being a mass murderer and corrupt king compare with racist mass-killer.
I mean, just read it out loud. Racist mass-killer… that's like one of the worst things you can be in real fucking life.
I'm not even trying to get into an argument here, I just honestly want to hear you reasoning. Try to explain to me exactly how Lucci and Wapol are just as bad.
I had you all wrong. I was confused on the redeem aspect of our discussion, but the rest yoyr completely wrong on.
Enel- A God Complex lunitic who abuse his power simply because he believe he is God. Tried murdering the entire population of Skypedia for what? He is God.
Wapol- A greedy coward who takes his power and punish the weak for his selfish need/wants. Responsible for many of deaths in his Kingdom directly/indirectly because of his selfish actions.
Hody- A twisted extreamest who want his goals accomplished by any means. We have no other reason why he is the way he is till next week.
Rob Lucci- A complete phycopath who kills ppl just because he enjoys it. Rob Lucci is by far the most evil character introduce simply because he enjoys killing. No real reason why. Just kill for pleasure.
Untill we know why Hody is the way he is we have no reason he cannot move on…
Other than what any character has told us, is there any real way to prove this?
Same for the other way around, genius. []
1. Last time we saw Arlong was when he was pummeled by Luffy and was buried under Arlong Park.
2. We didn't SEE any Arlong after that, but it was informed by Hachi that he was still in the Marines' custody as far as he can remember…... and this was informed back as early as 2 years ago, I also sincerely doubt it was more than 1 years ago since Hachi escaped.
Therefore about 3 years ago, Arlong was still in captive and it is likely he was still in custody at that moment in Sabondy arc time as well.
(If he escaped, news would be all over and Jinbe would be there, more detail at the bottom.)
I just cannot understand people who think Arlong is a free fishman when it is quite CLEAR that he is likely still being kept in chains. []
A news like that would be quite a big one, especially in East Blue if he actually escaped.
Of course Nezumi's no longer working for him, so the news would've reached fishman island by then (remember, 2 whole years)
and I'm pretty sure..... Jinbe would have done something about it right away since the Arlong thing was eating him inside so much.
p.s. I don't think Arlong's gonna ever be transferred to Impel Down, still in East Blue's Marine prinson cell... yup.
he no longer has the Sun Pirates influence anymore(Jinbe disbanded it.)> not that big of a criminal at this point.
Plus, if he was or would actually be transferred to Impel Down.. that would just end the, "Arlong is free!" theory just like that.
Rremember, Impel Down = Unescapable.
that would mean we will never have to meet him in the story line ever again.... EVER. []
I dont know how to explain it, but this is getting worse and worse for me personally with each chapter
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@Zik:
Almost feared a Hodi flashback. I really don't give a fuck what happened to him in his past to make him this way. Drugs obviously ruined his brain.
So true
I had you all wrong. I was confused on the redeem aspect of our discussion, but the rest yoyr completely wrong on.
…
Untill we know why Hody is the way he is we have no reason he cannot move on...
To be honest, maybe I'm a little hung up on the racist part, since I hate racists more than pretty much anything in this world, so some of my own feelings clouded my judgement.
But still, I often like to think in a "What if they actually succeed with their plan?"-way, and regarding this, Hody seems pretty awful, because it would result in the exctinction of a whole race/or global enslavement and for me personally, I don't really need a flashback to think of such a person as the worst. Simply said, his backstory could consist of his family being slaughtered right in front of him and I still wouldn't feel an ounce of pity.
But as you said, my reasoning isn't enough to declare him the absolut worst villain in the series.
Also, what the fuck are we even talking about? Comparing Lucci to Hody is like comparing a mass murderer and a batshit insane Nazi. They are both already the worst, what is there to discuss?
Is that so?
Where was it ever said that EPs gives you better stenght feats than Gear 2?
And sorry I find Gear 2 power up more impressive than for example transformed Hody.
But let us stop it here. You has your thinking that it isn't enough for him to have a shortened lifespam I say yes.
The power up itself isn't the issue as much as the nature of it. What Luffy is doing is overexerting himself and stressing his body that is already pretty tough and strong. What he's doing is purely physical damage. Hody and Hyouzo are doing something called overdosing. Ever heard of it? Putting strange chemicals into your vital systems has a more profound effect on your overall health. Drugs tend to work by affecting certain responses in the body to create change. When dealing with steroids, not only do you have to worry about overexerting your body, but also the consequences of rewiring your body's functions. Systems affected to create a positive experience in the user (getting high, developing muscle mass, etc…) are generally as they originally are to provide certain vital functions to the body. Inhibiting these functions can cause a series of negative effects depending on what the drug targets.
Bottom line, fucking with your body chemically is a lot more harmful than overexerting yourself.
Blue-san, you never like a chapter, yet you keep on reading. How amusing…
Not that it is weird to read things I don't like. (I keep reading Bleach out of curiosity), but its weird to keep on checking the forums of that said thing.
But as you said, my reasoning isn't enough to declare him the absolut worst villain in the series.
Also, what the fuck are we even talking about? Comparing Lucci to Hody is like comparing a mass murderer and a batshit insane Nazi. They are both already the worst, what is there to discuss?
I agree they are the worse. I also agree that no matter what happened in his past I won't feel no sympathy for him. The reason I compared him to Lucci was to show there ies a future for the worst villians. Also, there is a big difference between Lucci and Hody. Lucci is just a sick phycopath who kills for fun. We know Hody murderous intent stem from a dark past. Hody kills for lack of knowlege, fear, and confusion.
Pacifista took Haki+G2. Hody has taken either or but not combined. I don't think its his durability keeping him standing either. Pills are just allowing him to ignore his injuries, similar to Luffy in the war, and he'll eventually feel everything all at once. Extreme endorphin and adrenaline high not an incredibly tough body.
how do we know he hasn't taken a hit with both, I mean gear 2nd is pretty fast right, did it show anything when he killed the pacifistia, I just assumed he always used it now, maybe i need to reread
I dont know how to explain it, but this is getting worse and worse for me personally with each chapter
You probably have timeskip syndrome aka everytime a series goes through a timeskip it started to suck so One Piece has to be the same way, even if it didn't change at all xD(just sayin).