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asm00200

Please don't do this. Who is it written by? Eiichiro Oda+ editors? Who gets credit for One Piece? Who is the author? I'm sorry, but your points make zero sense. Just because Oda bounces ideas off of his editors and accepts their input when he deems it worthy, doesn't make One Piece a team story. Quit while you're ahead.

See, nobody said it's a team story, I just said there is a team effort and Oda is the executioner. Their effort varies from one to anothet and Oda has the biggest work to do.

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You're mixing team and individual sports. Boxing isn't a team sport. Who exactly was Mike Tyson's coach? Did his coach get handed the belt, was his coach the greatest boxer of all time?

What does team and individual sport means? Why does a football coach matters while a boxing coach doesn't matter.

And your knowledge of boxing is limited at best. It does't matter but for the sake of this argument, just accept that the analogy is fair and move on with your life.

And your knowledge of boxing is limited at best. It does't matter but for the sake of this argument, just accept that the analogy is wrong and move on with your life.

Champ

@asm00200:

See, nobody said it's a team story, I just said there is a team effort and Oda is the executioner. Their effort varies from one to anothet and Oda has the biggest work to do.

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What does team and individual sport means? Why does a football coach matters while a boxing coach doesn't matter.

And your knowledge of boxing is limited at best. It does't matter but for the sake of this argument, just accept that the analogy is wrong and move on with your life.

Ok…I am a boxer, so if you'd like to go into boxing, we can haha. You're kind of being thick here and have failed to grasp the idea that no matter what happens in the (story) ring, it is ultimately the (artist's) boxer's decisions that count. The coach (editor) can't really fight (draw) for the competitor.

And lol at the lack of comprehension between team and individual sports. You're just arguing because you think you can win. This is stupid, homie.

wolfwood

@Champ:

Please don't do this. Who is it written by? Eiichiro Oda+ editors? Who gets credit for One Piece? Who is the author? I'm sorry, but your points make zero sense. Just because Oda bounces ideas off of his editors and accepts their input when he deems it worthy, doesn't make One Piece a team story. Quit while you're ahead.

Who has ever claimed that it's a collaboration

But the fact of the matter is that Oda needs to run his stories past his editor

Who then make decisions about changes, and leaves their mark on the story

You're mixing team and individual sports. Boxing isn't a team sport. Who exactly was Mike Tyson's coach? Did his coach get handed the belt, was his coach the greatest boxer of all time?

So your contention is that Mike Tyson would've become as good as he was even without Cus D'amato?

If so, that may in fact be the dumbest thing i have ever heard. And i've heard honest to god arguments about Money knocking out Wladimir

Cus shaped and formed him, he influenced all that defined Tyson. Who taught him the peekaboo style? Cus did

Who kept him in line, kept him focused and taught him the history and the craft of boxing? You better believe Cus did.

I'd be willing to bet that Mike Tyson would snap you like a twig if he heard you disrespect his beloved father figure like that

Granted i may have got your argument wrong, please clarify if so.

Champ

@wolfwoof:

Who has ever claimed that it's a collaboration

But the fact of the matter is that Oda needs to run his stories past his editor

Who then make decisions about changes, and leaves their mark on the story

So your contention is that Mike Tyson would've become as good as he was even without Cus D'amato?

If so, that may in fact be the dumbest thing i have ever heard. And i've heard honest to god arguments about Money knocking out Wladimir

Cus shaped and formed him, he influenced all that defined Tyson. Who taught him the peekaboo style? Cus did

Who kept him in line, kept him focused and taught him the history and the craft of boxing? You better believe Cus did.

I'd be willing to bet that Mike Tyson would snap you like a twig if he heard you disrespect his beloved father figure like that

Granted i may have got your argument wrong, please clarify if so.

You are going into so much unnecessary detail. Do you think Oda's editors have had that kind of impact on Oda? lol. That's like saying Oda's editors taught him how to draw, write a story and manage his personal life.
As much as Cus did…he did not WIN THE MATCHES for Tyson. So, yes. You have the argument wrong. My argument is that no matter what the coaches do they cannot ENTER THE RING for the competitor.

And lol Tyson would snap me like a twig. He would break my jaw in one punch probably. I'm not on that level at all.

Aaronrules380

So, I'm just going to note that I hate the whole "deifying" writers thing. Especially since it seems like something started by writers to stroke their own egos

Champ

@Aaronrules380:

So, I'm just going to note that I hate the whole "deifying" writers thing. Especially since it seems like something started by writers to stroke their own egos

But that's the thing…the writer's themselves are not prefect. But the stories they tell are theirs, and ultimately up to them. This is the discussion, not "deifying" Oda as being an infallible human being.

wolfwood

@Champ:

You are going into so much unnecessary detail. Do you think Oda's editors have had that kind of impact on Oda? lol. That's like saying Oda's editors taught him how to draw, write a story and manage his personal life.

As much as Cus did…he did not WIN THE MATCHES for Tyson. So, yes. You have the argument wrong. My argument is that no matter what the coaches do they cannot ENTER THE RING for the competitor

Then i don't really follow your analogy. Nobody that i'm aware of argues that the editor or the coach does the others job for him.

But they do in fact have influence that's beyond Oda going into an office flopping down 18 pages and saying print that

They'll look over it, say this is no good, you need to tweak that. Suggestions, rejections, it's all part of the process

And lol Tyson would snap me like a twig. He would break my jaw in one punch probably. I'm not on that level at all.

Dunno he's been looking pretty skinny lately

Vegetarian Tyson probably prefers twigs lol

Champ

@wolfwoof:

Then i don't really follow your analogy. Nobody that i'm aware of argues that the editor or the coach does the others job for him.

But they do in fact have influence that's beyond Oda going into an office flopping down 18 pages and saying print that

They'll look over it, say this is no good, you need to tweak that. Suggestions, rejections, it's all part of the process

Dunno he's been looking pretty skinny lately

Vegetarian Tyson probably prefers twigs lol

Ultimately though it's Oda's decision, it's his art and it's his responsibility for what happens. This is what I'm saying. To be critically honest, Oda doesn't need help from his editors. I'm willing to bet they do a whole lot more simple beta reading than anything else. Story decisions are Oda's and Oda's alone.

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@Aaronrules380:

So, I'm just going to note that I hate the whole "deifying" writers thing. Especially since it seems like something started by writers to stroke their own egos

It is kind of poetic though since they create worlds.