We got beaten by "pokemon black and white"??? Oh that is so depressing….
And who the hell writes the description for the volumes anyway? "Would be pirates"?? I'm sorry, but I don't see naruto being called a "would be ninja" and he goes around in a friggin orange jumpsuit!
Oh big deal about "Pokemon" it's popular for a reason, an understandable reason, despite its suckiness. Besides it only beat it by one place up.
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Pokemon Adventure/Special is awesome.It's nothing like the cartoon…..PLus,its pokemon;a main-stream 20 year old+franchise.
One of the later volumes that I noticed it was third page of chapter 526 where Domino talks about boiling prisoners' clothing as "baptizing" instead of prisoner being themselves dipped into hot water, was that confirmed to be a mistranslation?
That is definately a mistranslation. As I understand it (and how it was stated in the anime), the prisoners come in, remove their clothes and are then 'baptised' in the boiling water before recieving their prison outfits.
Why would they wash the prisoners clothes? They are going to be loosing them anyway.
On another note, Alexis Kirsch had this to say about Volume 61 on his twitter:
OP61 selling nicely. Might have been number 1 if not for Naruto and The Walking Dead
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And who the hell writes the description for the volumes anyway? "Would be pirates"?? I'm sorry, but I don't see naruto being called a "would be ninja" and he goes around in a friggin orange jumpsuit!
"Luffy and his crew of would be pirates", well, to be fair, luffy's crew really has no pirates in it. They all really became pirates upon joining up with Luffy. The only real exception is Brook, who was a pirate in his lifetime.
Zoro was a pirate hunter. Nami was a thief who stole from pirates. Usopp was a village boy who played pretend pirate. Sanji was a chef at a restaraunt. Chopper was a monster-doctor on a snowy island. Robin was in a criminal organization (though she may have been in a pirate crew earlier), and Franky was the head of what was basically a gang.
Not exactly pirates.
Let me guess.
Naurto at #1 sold like around 2300-5000 copies.
Pokemon sold like around 400
One Piece sold like 389
Wow.
I could really see why people in here are making a big deal over what makes this list.
No, infact I don't.
What's the sale numbers this time? I'm guessing they are no better than last time or anything to write home about.
True. I don't see One Piece beating out Naruto anytime soon. It always does good it's first week, but then drops down steadily week after week.
Still, it's nice to hear from the editor himself that if it wasn't for "Walking Dead" and "Naruto" that "One Piece" would've had a higher ranking. That wouldn't change the number of books sold probably.
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I think they have to redraw the sound effect wholesale. It was very obvious early on (the panel where Morgan is defeated in Vol. 1 was atrociously butchered), but they've gotten a lot, lot better since. I haven't seen any obvious mistakes with redrawing since Vol. 24.
Ah, I suspected as much. It's a pity they have to alter the artwork, but really they seem to be doing such a good job of it lately that I can hardly find a reason to complain.
EDIT:
The alternative would have been leaving them untranslated, which would be rather annoying since you miss out on a lot of information, or making translation bulletins between panels which would get very cluttered and hard to read.
Them's the breaks for those of us who don't know Japanese.
That is definately a mistranslation. As I understand it (and how it was stated in the anime), the prisoners come in, remove their clothes and are then 'baptised' in the boiling water before recieving their prison outfits.
Why would they wash the prisoners clothes? They are going to be loosing them anyway.
I see, thanks. Do those ever get corrected in subsequent reprints?
EDIT for the edit:
I'm finishing my latest volume (48) atm and I caught Hogback calling Chopper a "freaking monster" during their fight. I looked it up to make sure, and "freaking" is definitely a dictionary euphemism for "f…ing", same as "darn" for "damn". Considering Viz counts "damn" as a harsh enough swear to mostly change it, I have to wonder if that line was just something that slipped past the editor, or if this was a really severe curse in the original.
Freaking is a pretty common word. There's nothing really bad about it.
Freaking is a pretty common word. There's nothing really bad about it.
I am well aware of that, but since Viz considers "hell" "damn" and "shit" to be harsh swears it struck me as odd. That and the fact that I don't recall ever seeing it anywhere else in their OP volumes besides this one instance.
I've never seen anybody consider "freaking" a swear word.
They say "frickin'" a lot in YuYu Hakusho. I'm pretty sure they can use any incantation as long as it's not the actual word itself.
Anyone noticed that One Piece, Bleach and Naruto pages are blank on Mangareader.com? I just noticed yesterday. Any word on that?
Probably just a server issue or an image file error. Nothing to worry about.
Cool. I was curious about that. Coincidently it seems to be hitting the big three.
"Me lurk you long time" 
It's number 9 again, but it's still holding on strong:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-30/new-york-times-manga-best-seller-list-march-18-24
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It's number 9 again, but it's still holding on strong:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-30/new-york-times-manga-best-seller-list-march-18-24
Great news once again, im surprised its kept up this pace but im really happy it has.
It's number 9 again, but it's still holding on strong:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-03-30/new-york-times-manga-best-seller-list-march-18-24
what's with Sailor moon being number 1?
I know Sailor moon and all, but is it supposed to be that popular?
And Naruto is still above One Piece…:sad:
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what's with Sailor moon being number 1?
I know Sailor moon and all, but is it supposed to be that popular?
And Naruto is still above One Piece…:sad:
"Sailor Moon" was fairly popular back in the day, it's the one girls' anime/manga that that has the most cross-appeal with American fans. But the real secret to its recent success is how long it's been out-of-print, at least half a decade. That time has really drawn out the nostalgia to a significant extent.
And anyway why should anyone care if "Naruto" is still above "One Piece"? That's just the way it is, more people like "Naruto" more, good for them. I've said before and I'll say it again, nothing "deserves" to be popular.
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Cool. I was curious about that. Coincidently it seems to be hitting the big three.
It's also happening with other Viz titles as well, I just tried Toriko and Hitman and the chapters aren't showing up as well.
I'm worried that Viz may have sent out a cease and desist order for their titles.
Cool. I was curious about that. Coincidently it seems to be hitting the big three.
Yeah, happened to me a few weeks ago but fixed itself.
I just thought of something, but what if Mangareader is playing some sort of April Fool's day joke and they've temporarily blocked all Viz titles to make seem like they were forced to take them down.
Then that would be the dumbest thing I ever heard.
Series I tried:
One Piece
Fullmetal Alchemist
Bakuman
Hunter x Hunter
20th Century Boys
Rurouni Kenshin
Dragon Bal
YuYu Hakusho
Gintama
Monster
Death Note
Toriko
Pluto
Vagabond
Naruto
Bleach
Black Cat
Shaman King
D.Gray-Man
Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
Beelzebub
Bobobo-Bo Bo-Bobo
The Legend of Zelda
Pokemon Special
Eyeshield 21
Claymore
Slam Dunk
Buso Renkin
Blue Exorcist
I's
Ichigo 100%
Inuyasha
Flame of Recca
Black Bird
Ikigami
Basically I tested the whole range. Everything I've read, ;plus a handful of series I remember seeing on the bookshelves at B&N and on Viz's site. Jump, non-Jump, shonen, Seinen, Shojou, everything. Anything that Viz publishes in the US does not work.
Someone in the UK said the series were working just fine for them, so I assume the reason they haven't been removed entirely is that they're being blocked in the US.
Everything else non-Viz (Fairy Tail, Soul Eater, etc.) works fine for me.
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Someone in the UK said the series were working just fine for them
woop woop. :D
Hmm….Zatch Bell (Gash Bell) is working fine.
read.
XD MDL is that someone in the UK!
the series work fine for me, but once i tried to read one piece using an us proxy the image didn't show up, others series like the world god only knows kept working normally. So, yes, they must have blocked US IPs for the series related to viz.
_Dear readers,
We're deepy sorrowed to say that like mangastream, we have have also been given the order to close shop by the big wigs at Viz. That means we will no longer be carrying Shonen Jump favorites such as Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Toriko.
We believe we have the most supportive and understanding fanbase of any manga site, and we did our best to bring you quality manga shortly after it was released in Japan. We also had the best scantalation groups ever, and we thank them for their dedication and their hard work, ecspecially admirable considering they never once asked to be paid. They did it because, like you people, they were fans.
However, when a big company is breathing down your neck and tells you you're in violation of copyright, you don't have much of a choice but to kowtow, or else our whole site may have been shut down. Although Shonen Jump titles are among our most popular, we have many more titles that we want to bring to the fans. Shonen Jump Alpha is due to launch in April, and by the look of it now, fans of those titles may be forced into subscribing to their online magazine. We regret this had to happen, but they have been nothing short of vicious in protecting their property.
Thank you once again for your understanding, and we apologize that it had to come to this. So to quote Kunimitsu Tezuka from The Prince of Tennis: "This loss means nothing. In fact, we will become stronger!"
Sincerely yours,
The AFTV Network and the Mangareader staff_
Luffy, Zoro, Nami, Usopp, Sanji, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, Jimbei, Carrot, Vivi, Smoker
"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
Ironically, the more Viz does stuff like this, the less desire I have to subscribe to Alpha. I buy all the volumes and subscribed to the print magazine since 2004. I don't like being strong-armed into subscribing to their digital subscription. I had initially been considering it, but the more they pull this kinda stuff, the less I want to give in and go over to Alpha.
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"ONE PIECE, IT EXISTS" - The Great Pirate Edward Newgate
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Ironically, the more Viz does stuff like this, the less desire I have to subscribe to Alpha. I buy all the volumes and subscribed to the print magazine since 2004. I don't like being strong-armed into subscribing to their digital subscription. I had initially been considering it, but the more they pull this kinda stuff, the less I want to give in and go over to Alpha.
So don't get it… I'm sure you can find a way to get the chapters, or just stop reading all together, why air your grievances here? Its your personal choice to either subscribe or not, and if there is only one option, SJAlpha, and you still refuse to subscribe, well that's your choice too. I don't know why anyone cares if you subscribe or not, but I hope that you will still be able to get One Piece far into the future through non-Jump related affiliates, and that way you can continue to complain here and we can all read your boring arguments.
Is it true that Alpha is going to be weeks behind the Japanese chapters? If so, that dampens my interest quite a bit (or at the least bums me out).
@Baou:
It's not licensed by Viz anymore.
Thought this might be the case.
It doesn't matter how many sites Viz to take their titles off of, another site will pop up with the latest chapter. Even if that site is cheaply set up and only made for that particular title.
This whole thing will probably turn out like how the music industry tried to shut down Napster (before it became legit), and other sites I can't remember off of the top of my head. It will just be a waste of time and effort, because when you shut one down another two will pop up and some will probably be non-U.S. based.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
_Dear readers,
We're deepy sorrowed to say that like mangastream, we have have also been given the order to close shop by the big wigs at Viz. That means we will no longer be carrying Shonen Jump favorites such as Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Toriko._
So no more mangareader of the big three? At least I can still read the previous chapters. And since I dont live in US, Alpha means nothing to me. Who else remains to translate on wednesdays?
i can read any chapter perfectly
@Doke:
So don't get it… I'm sure you can find a way to get the chapters, or just stop reading all together, why air your grievances here?
Why not? Can no one speak against Viz? Is it a crime? Certainly not. If people feel the need to voice an opinion that is against the actions of a company, they are free to do so.
As a person who almost always supports Viz, has defended their decisions countless times, and who owns all 61 of the volumes currently available in the United States (that's about $600 I've spent in my lifetime), I find this action to not be the smartest, honestly. I wouldn't mind using Alpha if it was flawless- and it, realistically, isn't. The largest flaw is that some people do not want to pay for something that they eventually won't have access to. If I am investing money in an issue of Shonen Jump Alpha (aside from the fact that I'd be paying for about 5 other manga that I will not read, as One Piece is the only series offered there that interests me), I'd expect to always have access to it. After all, if I bought an issue of Shonen Jump, I didn't return it to the bookstore a few weeks after I read it. I kept it.
What can be done? Viz can look at what Funimation did for the Simulcast. The didn't entirely wipe out Fansubs. Not entirely. They're still around. BUT. People in America simply have no need for them. The product Funimation offers is of higher translation quality, and- the most important selling point- it's free, which is what people like! That's one of the reasons why they turn to fansubs in the first place! So, Funimation offered the simulcast for free. Effectively making me not watch fansubs. I had no more need to. But Funimation didn't NOT make money due to the simulcast. Nope, they had ads to make revenue from the "free" simulcast. And honestly, I don't mind sitting through an ad or two.
If Viz opened up the Shonen Jump website similarly to(not exactly like) a scanlation website, and maybe played an ad before being allowed to read a chapter, or put ads on the sides of the web pages where the scans appear (or both) to generate revenue and offered the chapters "for free", then I believe the backlash from people would not be as severe.
It worked for Funimation. I believe it can work for Viz, too.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Ironically, the more Viz does stuff like this, the less desire I have to subscribe to Alpha. I buy all the volumes and subscribed to the print magazine since 2004. I don't like being strong-armed into subscribing to their digital subscription. I had initially been considering it, but the more they pull this kinda stuff, the less I want to give in and go over to Alpha.
Well the more they do this the less available scanlations will be.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
_Dear readers,
We're deepy sorrowed to say that like mangastream, we have have also been given the order to close shop by the big wigs at Viz. That means we will no longer be carrying Shonen Jump favorites such as Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Toriko.
We believe we have the most supportive and understanding fanbase of any manga site, and we did our best to bring you quality manga shortly after it was released in Japan. We also had the best scantalation groups ever, and we thank them for their dedication and their hard work, ecspecially admirable considering they never once asked to be paid. They did it because, like you people, they were fans.
However, when a big company is breathing down your neck and tells you you're in violation of copyright, you don't have much of a choice but to kowtow, or else our whole site may have been shut down. Although Shonen Jump titles are among our most popular, we have many more titles that we want to bring to the fans. Shonen Jump Alpha is due to launch in April, and by the look of it now, fans of those titles may be forced into subscribing to their online magazine. We regret this had to happen, but they have been nothing short of vicious in protecting their property.
Thank you once again for your understanding, and we apologize that it had to come to this. So to quote Kunimitsu Tezuka from The Prince of Tennis: "This loss means nothing. In fact, we will become stronger!"
Sincerely yours,
The AFTV Network and the Mangareader staff_
They do this today, of all days, and don't go out of their way to say "This isn't an April Fools Joke"? Yeah, I'd way wait until tomorrow before anyone starts flipping their twinkies.
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They do this today, of all days, and don't go out of their way to say "This isn't an April Fools Joke"?
I thought of that too, lol.
But I can't find that letter on the mangareader website. I just read it here. Is it even up there?
I think we've been had.
Are we sure that this isn't an April Fools prank?
You never know…
EDIT: Looks like it's already been mentioned.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Dear readers,
We're deepy sorrowed to say that like mangastream, we have have also been given the order to close shop by the big wigs at Viz. That means we will no longer be carrying Shonen Jump favorites such as Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Toriko.
We believe we have the most supportive and understanding fanbase of any manga site, and we did our best to bring you quality manga shortly after it was released in Japan. We also had the best scantalation groups ever, and we thank them for their dedication and their hard work, ecspecially admirable considering they never once asked to be paid. They did it because, like you people, they were fans.
However, when a big company is breathing down your neck and tells you you're in violation of copyright, you don't have much of a choice but to kowtow, or else our whole site may have been shut down. Although Shonen Jump titles are among our most popular, we have many more titles that we want to bring to the fans. Shonen Jump Alpha is due to launch in April, and by the look of it now, fans of those titles may be forced into subscribing to their online magazine. We regret this had to happen, but they have been nothing short of vicious in protecting their property.
Thank you once again for your understanding, and we apologize that it had to come to this. So to quote Kunimitsu Tezuka from The Prince of Tennis: "This loss means nothing. In fact, we will become stronger!"
Sincerely yours,
The AFTV Network and the Mangareader staff
I read this over at Bleachanime.org's forum and this was posted on March 10th. Yet they still released the latested chapters of One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, and other Viz titles on the 27th.
They do this today, of all days, and don't go out of their way to say "This isn't an April Fools Joke"? Yeah, I'd way wait until tomorrow before anyone starts flipping their twinkies.
At least someone else doesn't think my idea of an "April's Fool Day joke" wasn't too far fetched or the "Dumbest thing they ever heard".
@Badass:
Why not? Can no one speak against Viz? Is it a crime? Certainly not. If people feel the need to voice an opinion that is against the actions of a company, they are free to do so.
As a person who almost always supports Viz, has defended their decisions countless times, and who owns all 61 of the volumes currently available in the United States (that's about $600 I've spent in my lifetime), I find this action to not be the smartest, honestly. I wouldn't mind using Alpha if it was flawless- and it, realistically, isn't. The largest flaw is that some people do not want to pay for something that they eventually won't have access to. If I am investing money in an issue of Shonen Jump Alpha (aside from the fact that I'd be paying for about 5 other manga that I will not read, as One Piece is the only series offered there that interests me), I'd expect to always have access to it. After all, if I bought an issue of Shonen Jump, I didn't return it to the bookstore a few weeks after I read it. I kept it.
What can be done? Viz can look at what Funimation did for the Simulcast. The didn't entirely wipe out Fansubs. Not entirely. They're still around. BUT. People in America simply have no need for them. The product Funimation offers is of higher translation quality, and- the most important selling point- it's free, which is what people like! That's one of the reasons why they turn to fansubs in the first place! So, Funimation offered the simulcast for free. Effectively making me not watch fansubs. I had no more need to. But Funimation didn't NOT make money due to the simulcast. Nope, they had ads to make revenue from the "free" simulcast. And honestly, I don't mind sitting through an ad or two.
If Viz opened up the Shonen Jump website similarly to(not exactly like) a scanlation website, and maybe played an ad before being allowed to read a chapter, or put ads on the sides of the web pages where the scans appear (or both) to generate revenue and offered the chapters "for free", then I believe the backlash from people would not be as severe.
It worked for Funimation. I believe it can work for Viz, too.
I see what you are saying, but Viz has laid out their rules and if you don't want to or can't pay for it tough cookies. I mean I understand I'm not being sympathetic to everyone, but if that's how Viz wants to do it, then that's their right. I don't mind if people complain, I just don't understand why here. No one cares if people don't want to pay for it. Most of the people are probably just being cheap anyway, which is their right of course. Also, adds on Hulu allow it to be "free." Just because you don't think sitting through a commercial is equivalent to paying for something, doesn't mean that corporations don't.
Also in Japan readers of Shonen Jump have to pay for their "access" to Jump published Manga. Weekly Shonen Jump costs 240 yen and just because people want things for free doesn't mean that they get them for free.
@Doke:
I see what you are saying, but Viz has laid out their rules and if you don't want to or can't pay for it tough cookies.
"I understand entirely, but it sucks to be you guys."
-_- Super.
I mean I understand I'm not being sympathetic to everyone, but if that's how Viz wants to do it, then that's their right. I don't mind if people complain, I just don't understand why here.
Because this is an open forum where people are free to discuss as they see fit? Again I ask "Why not?".
No one cares if people don't want to pay for it.
Ehhhhhhhh, just because you don't doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
Also, adds on Hulu allow it to be "free." Just because you don't think sitting through a commercial is equivalent to paying for something, doesn't mean that corporations don't.
….....That's exactly what I addressed in my post.
just because people want things for free doesn't mean that they get them for free.
Yes, but if Viz works with fans more, then half the internet will not despise them and curse their very existence. You can see people voicing almost threat-like things on their facebook page and on twitter because of things like this, fueling animosity toward the company. That's definitely not good for business.
I think people like to ignore how cheap an alpha subscription is. You get 48 issues of 6 (and this number can always increase) chapters from different mangas for about $26. That means you're paying about 9 cents a chapter. Granted, most of us here won't be interested in all the manga they have, so lets look at it based on how many series you read.
6: about 9 cents a chapter
5:about 11 cents a chapter
4: about 14 cents a chapter
3: about 18 cents a chapter
2: about 27 cents a chapter
1.: about 54 cents a chapter
Now lets compare that to a volume, which is probably around 9 chapters long and costs either 5 or 10 dollars depending on if you got digital or print versions
6: around 81 cents a volume
5: about 99 cents a volume
4: about $1.26 a volume
3. $1.62 a volume
2. $2.43 a volume
1. $4.86 a volume
As you can see, its significantly cheaper than even the digital volume unless One Piece is all you're interested in (And really, Toriko and Bakuman are pretty good as well anyways). ANd thats ignoring special content like interviews, gieaways, contests, videos, and such that are exclusive to subscribers. ANd you're getting this content sooner than the volumes come out, so thats something to consider as well
So while you may not be keeping the chapters forever (A year for subscribers), you're really not paying much considering. Maybe if One Piece is all you read, but then nobody is forcing you to buy the alpha to read the series. You can wait for volumes to come out, just like someone in Japan would have to if they weren't willing to buy the magazine.
Edit: ALso, people cursing Viz won't help because we only got something like Alpha in the first place thanks to Viz. Its the Japanese publishers that are providing resistance, at least to my understanding
I agree w/ Snowcone. I think you're overreacting to what I said Doke no Buggy. I have purhcased all 61 volumes, both color walks, and every issue of SJ in print from 2004.
I did not subscribe to Alpha because I don't like the idea of basically renting a magazine. The reader format is not ideal and as Snowcone said, you don't return a magazine or book to the bookstore after you've read it once you've paid your money for the purchase.
I've defended Viz many times in this topic so I see no reason why I can't express a negative opinion. =/
I agree that this just doesn't seem like the right solution. There has to be a better alternative and I just think the scorched earth strategy they're using to deal with scan groups is kinda disrespectful to the online community that supported demanded and later supported the speed-up. It feels like they're trying to force us into using SJ Alpha even if we feel that scan sites offer a superior reading format and quicker scans. I mean, I was considering subscribing to Alpha just to show Viz some extra support and re-read there while still keeping up with scans. The thing is, I feel less inclined to do so when they try to forcefully make that choice for me. I already buy the volumes and all volumes of the magazine. I just prefer to pay for something tangible. If I'm paying for something digital, I expect that access to that material will not be taken away. If I buy a song on itunes, it doesn't stop working after a certain amount of time or a certain number of plays.
As for the letter, I found it on another OP forum. I assumed it came from Mangareader's facebook or twitter or something ? I just checked for myself and didn't find it anywhere, so I guess the letter might not be real. Sorry for the false info. I trusted the OP site I got it from, but they make mistakes sometimes. I'll let you know if I get any confirmation but for now consider the letter fake.
Still, Bakuman hasn't been working for me for 3 days. I don't know if it's April Fool's or not. I tried and all Viz licensed series aren't working. I don't know if it makes much sense as a joke.
@Badass:
"I understand entirely, but it sucks to be you guys."
-_- Super.
Because this is an open forum where people are free to discuss as they see fit? Again I ask "Why not?".
Ehhhhhhhh, just because you don't doesn't mean everyone doesn't.
….....That's exactly what I addressed in my post.
Yes, but if Viz works with fans more, then half the internet will not despise them and curse their very existence. You can see people voicing almost threat-like things on their facebook page and on twitter because of things like this, fueling animosity toward the company. That's definitely not good for business.
The problem is that people, and presumably you, aren't considered to be potential costumers if you don't ever want to buy what they have to offer, just like men don't buy women specific products and women don't men specific products, they aren't factored into the buyers market. And that is true for people who don't ever want to buy a subscription to alpha. I know Viz will never say this and I don't represent them, but in terms of business, and yes I do have quite a bit of experience with business, they don't care about people who don't want their product. They are going after people who are desperate enough, or willing to pay 26 dollars a year, for a weekly digitally distributed magazine.
Also, your replies to me were straight up weak… You don't think its fair and that's fine, but that does not mean it actually isn't fair.
Lastly thank you for ignoring the part about Japanese consumers, because it further points out your whiny attitude.
