Bleach Discussion 0: Hello Darkness my old friend
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Gremmy's power was limited by his poor imagination, and his imagination was limited by his… container.
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With so many hanging plots in this arc, I'm thrilled to see how messy it's going to be in the end of the road
He's probably going to ignore it. Given how he's been working so far I would argue he just don't care.
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Good translation of last bleach chapter appeared in MangaHelpers: https://mangahelpers.com/t/badkarma/releases/40791
So Ywach powers are even more overpowered! Basically he is a god in the fact that he is Omniscient(sees everything) and Omnipotent(has limitless power). He can see everything that will occur, and everything that he sees he knows, and nothing that he knows can defeat him. Conclusion: Noting, literally, nothing can defeat him!
The interesting thing now will be to see how Ichigo will defeat him, given that nobody can defeat him! -
Good translation of last bleach chapter appeared in MangaHelpers: https://mangahelpers.com/t/badkarma/releases/40791
So Ywach powers are even more overpowered! Basically he is a god in the fact that he is Omniscient(sees everything) and Omnipotent(has limitless power). He can see everything that will occur, and everything that he sees he knows, and nothing that he knows can defeat him. Conclusion: Noting, literally, nothing can defeat him!
The interesting thing now will be to see how Ichigo will defeat him, given that nobody can defeat him!Jesus. I don't think even Hao was this OP
Oh, and as for how Ichigo will defeat him, Ewok will just forget he can do all that and upgrade himself to some bizarre tentacle/hulk form.
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Ywach's A stand for The Asspull not for The Almighty :ninja:
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But wait! Wasn't Ishida supposed to receive the exact same letter power as Yhwach? You know, the whole "successor" shit from before second invasion. Will it ever be relevant anymore?
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Good translation of last bleach chapter appeared in MangaHelpers: https://mangahelpers.com/t/badkarma/releases/40791
So Ywach powers are even more overpowered! Basically he is a god in the fact that he is Omniscient(sees everything) and Omnipotent(has limitless power). He can see everything that will occur, and everything that he sees he knows, and nothing that he knows can defeat him. Conclusion: Noting, literally, nothing can defeat him!
The interesting thing now will be to see how Ichigo will defeat him, given that nobody can defeat him!Does Kubo knows no one likes this crap?
It was this kind of bullshit that turned SK into a mess.
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/me scratches head
Huh, if he's almighty and all that. What in the world happened when he fought Yamamoto and ran out of time or something like that (whatever Aizen did)? What was up with that?
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Does Kubo knows no one likes this crap?
It was this kind of bullshit that turned SK into a mess.
Hell.There are people who love it. I don't understand them, but they're out there. Maybe I would have found it cool when I was 10 or so?
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Does Kubo knows no one likes this crap?
It was this kind of bullshit that turned SK into a mess.
Hell.What is SK?
Do you know the kids when they discuss characters and fights?
Like:
Kid A - "Character X has Infinite Power and Infinite Defense, so he is unbeatable"
Kid B - "But mine, character Y, has an attack that is stronger than Infinite, so he destroys yours"
Kid A - "But X has a trump card that is a mega super attack that nullifies Y attack"
Kid B - "But Y has the power to now everything that will happen in the future so he counterattacks X"
…Those kids love thinks like this. And older people that never went away from liking to see things in that way:
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Huh, if he's almighty and all that. What in the world happened when he fought Yamamoto and ran out of time or something like that (whatever Aizen did)? What was up with that?
I don't think Bleach fans nor Kubo remember that.
Aizen made a temporal distortion kido or something of the genre when Ywack went to talk to him. The Omniscient, Ywack was totally caught by surprise and so had to retreat, because he ran out of time. I don't know what kind of time he ran out of, because it was never explained. -
What is SK?
Shaman King, one of the few manga where
! the villain actually wins in the end
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Good translation of last bleach chapter appeared in MangaHelpers: https://mangahelpers.com/t/badkarma/releases/40791
So Ywach powers are even more overpowered! Basically he is a god in the fact that he is Omniscient(sees everything) and Omnipotent(has limitless power). He can see everything that will occur, and everything that he sees he knows, and nothing that he knows can defeat him. Conclusion: Noting, literally, nothing can defeat him!
The interesting thing now will be to see how Ichigo will defeat him, given that nobody can defeat him!We need some Kenpachi wisdom.
Can't cut you? I'll use both hands to swing.
Tough skin? I'll stab you through the eye.
Can't be killed? I'll chop you into pieces.
It seems Kenpachi is just about the only character who can keep his mouth shut about his ability.
That or Kubo hasn't yet figured it out at that time. ( <– more likely)
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We need some Kenpachi wisdom.
Can't cut you? I'll use both hands to swing.
Tough skin? I'll stab you through the eye.
Can't be killed? I'll chop you into pieces.
It seems Kenpachi is just about the only character who can keep his mouth shut about his ability.
That or Kubo hasn't yet figured it out at that time. ( <– more likely)
Don't you remember? His ability is to "match the strength of whoever he fights" which I guess now also includes just being really really really really stronger than everyone in general
Basically he's got the same ability as Bach, so really the two of them should be the ones clashing.
Of course, Ichigo probably will have that as well because of his being the Captain Planet analog of the Bleach universe.
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There's that, but his Zanpakuto is still in the unkonwn. If it's on purpose or Kubo couldn't think of what his Shikai should allow him to do is a mystery. Or, depending how you look at it, not.
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Good translation of last bleach chapter appeared in MangaHelpers: https://mangahelpers.com/t/badkarma/releases/40791
So Ywach powers are even more overpowered! Basically he is a god in the fact that he is Omniscient(sees everything) and Omnipotent(has limitless power). He can see everything that will occur, and everything that he sees he knows, and nothing that he knows can defeat him. Conclusion: Noting, literally, nothing can defeat him!
The interesting thing now will be to see how Ichigo will defeat him, given that nobody can defeat him!Well, he seems to be constantly growing older so it's at least possible his time is limited. He does need to absorb souls constantly so he doesn't turn into a sensless plant.
So I gather taking Soul King's place is his only chance of survival or something. That would have been a nice motive for the arc if everything else wasn't so fucked up.
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It's obvious guys. Mr. asspull number 1 is gonna be beaten by mr. asspull number 2, cause ishida is only there for revenga!
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Does Kubo knows no one likes this crap?
It was this kind of bullshit that turned SK into a mess.
Hell.To be fair, what turned SK into a mess was the introduction of resurrections used without restraint and the last arc being composed of simply fights after fights with no plot behind. Hao's overwhelming power that made him an unbeatable villain (and the fact everyone knew this since the start) was actually one of the most interesting and unique things in SK.
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Despite the last arc, I actually enjoyed SK, last arc included.
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@.access:
. Hao's overwhelming power that made him an unbeatable villain (and the fact everyone knew this since the start) was actually one of the most interesting and unique things in SK.
Unique, yes.
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@.access:
To be fair, what turned SK into a mess was the introduction of resurrections used without restraint and the last arc being composed of simply fights after fights with no plot behind.
What turned into SK into mess was that, about halfway through, it lost all direction and became a random series of events with no logic or build-up to them.
And yeah, what you mentioned as well
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So last arc of SK is basically what is Bleach, fights after fights with no plot behind it? xD
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Despite the last arc, I actually enjoyed SK, last arc included.
Yeah, gotta love it, Yoh must be one of my favorites shonen protagonists of all time.
SK:Flowers is pretty awful though, dropped it midway (Takei's current art style doesn't help). -
Oh his current artstyle…
It is so complicated and you never know what is going on. And everything is so pointy. xD
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Ah, SK. It sure brings back memories. I always liked how Takei draws his mecha stuffs like those Bayformers Angels lol. Does SK Flower get any better though? I kinda lost interest after a few chapters.
"Where in this frail body do I find the strength to stand up?"
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Ah, SK. It sure brings back memories. I always liked how Takei draws his mecha stuffs like those Bayformers Angels lol. Does SK Flower get any better though? I kinda lost interest after a few chapters.
Its already pretty hard to like a sequel series when the original didn't ended the way you would liked(yeah I know, I am selfish).
Man, we are kinda out of then track here lol. -
Ah, SK. It sure brings back memories. I always liked how Takei draws his mecha stuffs like those Bayformers Angels lol. Does SK Flower get any better though? I kinda lost interest after a few chapters.
It doesn't. To sum it up, the plot is all over the place (again), the art is indecipherable, and Takei somehow managed to make ghost jets dogfighting in hell utterly boring.
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At least he managed to blame all the problems of the modern world to the shaman king from 500 years ago, the Illuminati man.
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Because, you know that Buda's period and Jesus's period as SK were SOO peaceful and perfect.
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The entire series was centered around a fighting tournament so I can't believe some of the complaints are that it ended with just a continuous round of fights, that's a stupid complaint. I don't think the plot is all over the place either. Until Manta's dad arrives which is the most jarring thing in the manga imo and really shouldn't be there, it's a story about the people in the tournament fighting officially and unofficially for whatever reason they entered the tourny for. Takei is probably my favorite artist and while I don't think every single panel in the entire manga is perfect I didn't think it even approached D-Grayman lvls of confusing which is to say I didn't have much trouble following the fights at all.
Clearly I like this manga. It's one of my favorite. For all it's faults though I don't think its anywhere near the pretentious, boring, rageinducing glossy blackhole piece of shit that is bleach. I see no comparison. Hao was always the most powerful. There was never some weird But I have THIS anti-Hao Power! Wait I didn't use my REAL Hao power! Wait I didn't use my real-real-Anti Hao Power!!!! That never happened. To even compare what happened in Shaman King to this fucking garbage pile is… I don't even see the resemblance.
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More Shaman king spoilers:
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! So, these 8 dudes are all the shaman who have become kings since the… 1500bc? Mankind only had this spiritual leader 4k years ago, while civilization is around 6k and mankind 10k? Also, the other four, one is clearly egiptian, and other very greek god looking, so these are the ones that could be BC, but then the other two, from where could they be? So did the king of spirits came from outer space by that date? Or was it when it deemed necesary to intervene in human business? Or when it's soul acumulation became strong enough to BE the king?
! -1500 ?
-1000 ?
-500 Buddah
0 Jesus
500 ?
1000 ?
1500 Illuminati Dude
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Shaman King was terrible for:
- Wasted potential of the shaman fights
- Dead and revival a-go-go
- Every fight from the start of the tournament to the end was "My number is BIGGER than yours then lets--" (sudden cut to some hot springs), or outscrened massacre
- The terrible stalling technique known as the plants
- Yes, the impossibly strong person that was hao, from the beginning to the end there was no moment or way to beat him, not even if all other superpowers got together sang cumbaya and got to fight him together, there wasn't a possible way to beat him, confirmed in the Spirit of Fire - Water Mode scene, and finaly proven in the end
- So there's this guy who can't be beaten in a fight, so the logical way to overcome him is to convince him to stop being a douche by presenting our points in a way that will change his mind about human anihilation!!! Or get his mom to slap him and to make everything k.
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Wow and I was just about to start reading it too. Guess it's good that I decided to check this thread.
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No you should read it and make up your own mind. Most of that is hyperbole to the point of outright lying. It's 100x better than Bleach if you're already reading this.
Also it takes a lot of balls to make your villain invincible in a shounen manga and actually follow through with that until the very end. Sorry the protagonist going super saiyan, or learning a new rasengan, or donning some new armor wasn't enough to beat the bad guy this time. Hao was the best. He said he was going to win. Everyone knew he was probably going to win. He won. That actually makes sense. It makes sense to try and convince him to open his mind and it makes sense that his mother who he hadn't seen in like 500 years who was murdered at the hands of the people he was trying to wipe from the face of the earth THUS setting him on this extreme destructive path in the first place would be the one to drive that point home.
All of that makes sense. Sorry if all that sense ruffled your jimmies and didn't get you the typical shounen asspull victory that you would be complaining about otherwise.
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(1)No you should read it and make up your own mind. Most of that is hyperbole to the point of outright lying. It's 100x better than Bleach if you're already reading this.
(2)All of that makes sense.
1.Eh…it's not really hyperbolizing. It is a pretty dreadful comic that started out fairly promising with a fun premise that sorta really spiraled down the terrible hole much like Bleach and Naruto. It is better than Bleach but...not by a whole lot honestly. If anything, it's pretty much tied with Naruto in terms of terribleness.
2.Just because it makes sense, that doesn't excuse it from being terrible. I mean Jojo's Bizzare Adventure doesn't make sense but it still manages to be awesome. And Hao...yeah Hao is just all sorts of terrible writing.
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If it makes sense but you think it's terrible then I don't think that's bad writing. I think that means you don't like it. Which is different from say something is bad.
If it didn't make sense and you thought it was terrible then it's probably bad writing and you don't like it.
If it didn't make sense but you though it was good then it was bad writing but you still enjoyed it.
If it made sense and you thought it was good then it was good writing and you enjoyed it.
Revives and powerlvls are also in DBZ and im pretty sure that's a staple. I don't think they're good devices but I think the revives make sense in a manga about death and souls. Also souls can be be absorbed which is an actual death so I would think after a certain point you wouldn't assume death meant anything unless their soul was also destroyed which I think makes sense in the context of the manga. And powerlvl was never used as the sole determining factor of a fight. More like a representation of character growth and how outclassed someone should/shouldn't be. Even HunterxHunter has proficiency levels. Most shounen have some form of this whether they give it an actual number value or not. Chakra, reishi, stamina, powerlvl, furyokou etc are all the same thing.
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Hao had already died, twice, and had all the techniques that Anna had, why didn't he go and search his mom? 1k years and he didn't think about it? The whole plot could have solved itself if hao with his incredible powers decided to call his mom on his own.
And yeah, he was strong and smart and all that. Presenting it from the begining as impossible just demoralized anything that the series would throw at us. The feeling of "overcoming your obstacles through hard work!" that shonen should have was ignored.
For what? If the main characters had done anything to actualy stop Hao, or present a convincing argument that mankind didn't deserve to be extinguished, but no.
He wasn't defeated through the power of friendship, hard work or asspull, he was not defeated because Takei didn't plan on how to beat him in any way that would be satisfactory.
The anoying thing is that quickly reading flowers, takei is talented, the Zero squad story is pretty cool, and he at least is critical enough to point to the idiocy of the kamikaze pilots, his O.S. designs are still cool. Yes he has talent, and it's not a hack, but he hasn't finished a good manga.
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Your murdered mom is probably the person you miss the most and the last person you want to see if you spent 1000 years killing people. The dead both stay with you and fade. Your memories of them shape your reality but those memories become warped and distant but the shaping doesn't stop. A dead mother is a powerful person especially if you're of an age when you clearly remember her but she died long before her time and Hao case died very brutally.
I clearly took a lot more away from that ending than you did and it's possible that I took a lot more away from most of the manga than you did but I think there's a lot to take away from it. There are pointless fights that feel like tangents but I think takei put a lot of heart into it so whenever I see anyone bashing SK i'll immediately jump up to defend it. Personally I think it's great, the bee's knees. Objectively I think it's way better than Naruto or Bleach, it's highs are higher and it's lows are not as low, if only because those manga both drop so low. No where near deserving the amount of hate this forum throws it's way.
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If it makes sense but you think it's terrible then I don't think that's bad writing. I think that means you don't like it. Which is different from say something is bad.
If it didn't make sense and you thought it was terrible then it's probably bad writing and you don't like it.
If it didn't make sense but you though it was good then it was bad writing but you still enjoyed it.
If it made sense and you thought it was good then it was good writing and you enjoyed it.
Making sense is a basic criterion in writing anything. Just because you know how to make sense, doesn't mean you're automatically good at writing (that just shows you know HOW to write like a professional). If you don't know how to make sense as a writer, then you're not a writer. Simple as that.
However, to be a good writer, you need to not only make sense but make it "Interesting". And he DID start out pretty well but he ended up as a remarkable Kishimoto-esque level writer: as in "I have great ideas and a promising start, but then um..yeah whatever. draws" If he can make a dogfight in hell boring..then yeah he's not a good writer (unless he intended to make it boring in which…I question his priorities rather than his writing ability).
Here's the run down:
-It takes no skill to write anything.
-It takes a decent/professional writer to write something coherently (or again...a really lucky hack somehow got it right)
-It takes a professional good/exceptional writer to write something coherently AND compellingly
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So, I stopped reading Bleach during the Fullbringer arc. After the Aizen mess which I could barely bear, that was just too much.
Recently I started binge reading from chapter 480 and I'm now at chap 546, and I gotta say, I'm not disliking it nearly as much. I'm.. actually enjoing it, a bit.
Is something wrong with me? Is it the consensus that Kubo righted the ship in this last arc? Or is it just the effect of binge reading and not having to wait a week for a new 20-page splash of black ink?One Punch Man ITALIAN scans: [http://mykommunity.blogspot.it/searc…/one punch man](http://mykommunity.blogspot.it/search/label/one punch man) (READ ONLINE: http://www.batoto.net/read/_/141870/...h1_by_no-group)
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@'ko:
So, I stopped reading Bleach during the Fullbringer arc. After the Aizen mess which I could barely bear, that was just too much.
Recently I started binge reading from chapter 480 and I'm now at chap 546, and I gotta say, I'm not disliking it nearly as much. I'm.. actually enjoing it, a bit.
Is something wrong with me? Is it the consensus that Kubo righted the ship in this last arc? Or is it just the effect of binge reading and not having to wait a week for a new 20-page splash of black ink?Boy, you're in for a ride.
Just saw spoilers. Too boring to post once again. It will probably be out soon anyway.
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Boy, you're in for a ride.
Just saw spoilers. Too boring to post once again. It will probably be out soon anyway.
Here, I'll post it for you.
Spoiler alert: It's exactly what you expect.
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@Purple:
Here, I'll post it for you.
Spoiler alert: It's exactly what you expect.
Lol, pretty much. Although,
! Ichibei should have a "get out of jail free" card too. I don't see why his vaguely explained power shouldn't allow recovery/resurrection. But in the interest of
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Lol, pretty much. Although,
! Ichibei should have a "get out of jail free" card too. I don't see why his vaguely explained power shouldn't allow recovery/resurrection. But in the interest of plot progression, I hope this fight is over.
It's exactly because of plot progression that your hopes are probably true. Classic Kubo.
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http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/610/6
So omniscience gives you the power to randomly explode people. Okay.
Don't you just hate it when you're explaining your powers to the enemy and they spontaneously explode right afterwards?
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Really looking forward to the inevitable moment when "guess we'll need a stronger Getsuga Tenshou!" is indeed what defeats Ywhywhachchchcac.
It's so funny everytime that happens. So, so funny.
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Screw you Kubo.
You should've just ended the fight from last chapter, but you made it go on one chapter longer. I guess you think people are to stupid to understand what he meant last chapter, so half the chapter had to be build up for a pointless attack for Bach to just ignore. When you get to powers these hax, there is no winning. At that point, there is no way for the fights to be interesting at all. I guess you have such a love for Aizen, you wanted an even more hax version than he already was. At least in Aizen's case, there were legit ways to actually make him lose (even though you didn't make that happen). In this case, Bach can see the future and stop it from happening.
Screw you Kubo.
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Well Kubo has turned Ichibei into such an annoying presence that I'm not even sad that he died (maybe).
This manga seriously needs more Kenpachi, and fast.
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That mausoleum of darkness he created with that cool spell…best part of the chapter...i really hoped he was casting a very high level kido spell, but meh....he never stood a chance....
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…and boom goes the dynamite.
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Brutally awesome end to a great fight. and It's been exactly 100 chapters since…
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Brutally awesome end to a great fight. and It's been exactly 100 chapters since…
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How about that. The end of the leader of the Gotei 13, and now the end of the leader of all Shinigami. Even up to that very last technique he used, 1 can see why he was prolly the most powerful, that attack prolly would have worked on anyone but him….
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Cool, only 100 chapters more until he kills Soul King. :ninja:
