I think of Hodi as the gradual worsening of ideals. Tiger didn't seem to be the nicest of guys, but as seen with the slaves, not a bastard. Then, there was Arlong, who most assuredly was, and now we have Jones, someone even more brutal, more racist against humans and lacking Arlong's sole redeemer of caring for his crewmates. I imagine Jinbe's message is how to handle him without making him a matyr like Arlong became and maybe spawning someone worse.
Chapter 620: "The Theme Park We Dreamed Of" Discussion
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@Monkey:
Crocodile took three battles to beat, Luffy was actually pretty lucky.
Moria was the same deal, a lot of luck. Luffy got help from people who had been gathering one hundred shadows. By the time he used that last move he was exhausted and badly weakened from Nightmare Luffy, and kind of self destructed by bloating.
And the Kuma slash wasn't a big deal.
If Oda really intended the Shichibukai to have been surpassed as a level, he wouldn't have them still mattering like they are. You can tell he is keeping the new ones from us too, they will likely be major foes (aside from maybe Buggy if he becomes one lol).
Why do people keep on bringing up that Luffy lucked out with Moria? Moria didn't get any OUTSIDE help did he? Moria is a fucking failure. Do us a favour and stop exploding downstairs at every mention of the shichibukai. They are not the most powerful beings in One Piece, they range in strength and it is idiotic to think that Luffy isn't stronger than some of them
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@Monkey:
Let's not get into a religious discussion over a manga…
I don't want to get into one either, but as Christian, I feel like I must tell the truth. I apologize for making it seem like I am starting a religious discussion in this thread, but I do not believe I am wrong in saying that Jesus is alive and is God.
Anyway, I don't mind flashbacks, even though I'm not a big fan of them. It's always good to dwell into the past to find out why certain things are the way they are now. As long as it doesn't drag on for too long, I'm cool with that.
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Why do people keep on bringing up that Luffy lucked out with Moria? Moria didn't get any OUTSIDE help did he? Moria is a fucking failure. Do us a favour and stop exploding downstairs at every mention of the shichibukai. They are not the most powerful beings in One Piece, they range in strength and it is idiotic to think that Luffy isn't stronger than some of them
No but Luffy did.
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I don't want to get into one either, but as Christian, I feel like I must tell the truth. I apologize for making it seem like I am starting a religious discussion in this thread, but I do not believe I am wrong in saying that Jesus is alive and is God.
Anyway, I don't mind flashbacks, even though I'm not a big fan of them. It's always good to dwell into the past to find out why certain things are the way they are now. As long as it doesn't drag on for too long, I'm cool with that.
do you really have to say, it's the truth…:getlost:
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Christian: Jesus is alive and is God
you know, I'm not religious in any way but I do know that this is not what christians believe. I'd suggest reading your bible or joining jehova with those point of views
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God is alive, he's on the moon right now.
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@Sonic:
God is alive, he's on the moon right now.
quoted fo truth !
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Sigh I wish it was next week already.
Is it just me or does Zoro never seem to be at full strength during a major villian fight?
I was just going back over the Arlong arc again and saw this.
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If Zoro didn't have any handicaps then he would beat the main bad guy himself or curbstomp the second-in-command and that wouldn't be as interesting. Zoro's a rare case of being near, if not equal to, the person he's under.
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True. Zoro beat Hodi underwater. If they were on land Zoro definitely woulda wounded him even more. Which brings up something else I've been thinking; I think that Hodi is very strong in his own right, I mean he is feared by the petty pirate humans. But compared to the real pirates (Zoro) he's just a wannabe.
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Na Sanjis input was unnecessary to me it looked Forced, this is why Zoro is above him jimbei was in admist of explaining a story everyone was calm but he decieds to blow a fuse when even nami herself was calm not only that he's double standards is really starting to annoy me. He had no problem with robin joining. but has a problem with jimbei who is the reason luffy is alive today.
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To converse that - Croc took 3 battles to be defeated by Luffy. Croc doesn't look better for essentually failing 3 times to kill Luffy.
That's silly.
Croc basically did kill Luffy twice. Robin saved him the first time, and the second time was such complete luck it was crazy. He even poisoned him during the final match, and if Robin hadn't been there Luffy would have died regardless of defeating Crocodile.You can't hold luck against Crocodile's skills.
Nobody else would have been able to store water in their body like Luffy either.
Really then why was Zoro saying that they had already won and Moria was just stalling with the Asguard manuver.
I just answered that lol. Because he was already badly wounded from the Nightmare Luffy fight.
Or possibly he was referring to the sun that would come out soon, or the bloating.
Every way is not pure superior skills.Yeah it was actually - for a person who is as fast as Kuma to not be able to avoid the blow.
I thought it was clear that Zoro basically jumped out of hiding from behind. It was not like Zoro was standing right in front of him and Kuma knew he would attack. In fact that would not make any sense with how Kuma was dodging stuff before. So what I said had to be the case.
I think it is more that the SH's far outsurpassed regular pirates. Remember they are powering to Raftel not stopping to pillage and cause problems
They will be stopping like they always stop. There will be lots of stopping to save peoples and research stuff and explore.
- The SH's have already taken out 2 of the Shichibukai 2 have resigned - 1 is their ally - Mihawk and Zoro's relationship is not clear now. So that leaves what Don and Kuma as against - 4 unknowns and 1 Ally
I think it is clear Donflamingo will be one of the majorest foes in the series, plus the unknowns will not likely be MORE allies.
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Why do people keep on bringing up that Luffy lucked out with Moria? Moria didn't get any OUTSIDE help did he? Moria is a fucking failure. Do us a favour and stop exploding downstairs at every mention of the shichibukai. They are not the most powerful beings in One Piece, they range in strength and it is idiotic to think that Luffy isn't stronger than some of them
I am not exploding downstairs, I'm very calm. It is you who is mad though I do not know why? Calm down Fezzik.
He did luck out with Moria, it is pretty much not arguable. What else do you call bumping into people in the forest who have 100 shadows up for use.
Also you seem to be one of the people who hates Moria for no reason and would like to pretend he is not really one of the shichibukai so you think of him as weaker and not mattering, but that is not the case. Moria did not get outside help, he had prepared weapons that he planned out by gathering and stuff. It was not luck. It was the whole part of why he was dangerous and powerful and was made a shichibukai.
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you know, I'm not religious in any way but I do know that this is not what christians believe. I'd suggest reading your bible or joining jehova with those point of views
I read my Bible everyday, but let's just stop here before things go too far, okay?
All right, let's get back to discussing this chapter!
Fukaboshi pwned Dosun, let's see if he can be the Viper of this arc and actually go on to defeat 1-2 named enemies by himself, or he will be taken out by a ES'd Dosun.
Finally get to see Caribou again, now we know ugly is after the princess.
So Arlong had a soft side, a dream, well, maybe only subconsciously, still, I don't mind the revelation.
lol@Luffy barely remember the name Fisher Tiger.
Fisher Tiger looks awesome; Arlong looked better 15 years ago; Jimbei looked MUCH better 15 years ago.
The upcoming flashback should be good, can't wait.
Only complain about this chapter? Sanji. While some might see it as redemption to certain degree, I found it pathetic the man who almost died by looking at boobs, twice, right before this chapter, is now trying to act up and talk sh1t to Jimbei the man to whom their captain owes his life in more than one way.
Yeah, I really do think that he will be the Wiper (not Viper) of this arc.
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You would not be able to go to school or work if you read the bible everyday.
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Is that Shichibukai math correct?
Crocodile: Deafeated and (On the loose?)
Moria: Defeated and (Forced out of his position?)
Boa: Ally.
Don: Enemy.
Kuma: Enemy currently? Gone? (Did he get fully converted?) Bad memory is bad… :(
Mihawk: Frenemy.Did I leave someone out?
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If Luffy hadn
t gotten the 100 Shadows upgrade, Moria would have won. That is simply the case. Moria was already close to beating the whole crew. Yes, they all stood up again after this to continue the fight, but that wouldn
t have mattered, if Oars and Moria wouldnt have been severely wounded by Nightmare Luffy. And yes, Moria wasn
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Well Jimbei, Moria, and Crocodile aren't Shichi's anymore.
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Ah I totally forgot about Jimbe. lol. Wasn't Black Beard one for like a little? I was sorta just calling em all Shichi's cause they held the title at one point.
So…
Jimbe, Crocodile, Moria, Blackbeard= Not a Shichi.
Don= Still a threat Shichi.
Boa, Mihawk, Kuma= Shichi in name only? (They don't really seem interested in actually following orders).Definite allies= Boa, Jimbe.
Frenemy= Mihawk (Kuma?)
Definite enemy= Blackbeard, Don.
No idea where they are= Crocodile, Moria.Arrgg so hard to categorize lol.
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Kuma is back to "enemy" status now that his mind has been wiped clean. He protecting the Sunny was his last wish before he had his personality removed.
So, Kuma and DoFlamingo will be enemies. Mihawk most likely will be one too (he helped Zoro, but he also tried to kill Luffy just to test him in the war, so I don't count him as a "good guy"; he will test the strength of anyone in his path).
Plus, there are at leasth three new Shichibukai who are yet to be presented.
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Kuma is back to "enemy" status now that his mind has been wiped clean. He protecting the Sunny was his last wish before he had his personality removed.
So, Kuma and DoFlamingo will be enemies. Mihawk most likely will be one too (he helped Zoro, but he also tried to kill Luffy just to test him in the war, so I don't count him as a "good guy"; he will test the strength of anyone in his path).
Plus, there are at leasth three new Shichibukai who are yet to be presented.
Yeah Kuma and Mihawk I put as Frenemy status cause they are sorta their enemies, but helpful when they can be.
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@Monkey:
You would not be able to go to school or work if you read the bible everyday.
That is a long book.My church provides its members with charts that shows you which books, chapters, and verses you read everyday, so we just follow them.
Back on topic, I see Moria still being an enemy to the Straw Hats. No matter where he is at the moment, he's definitely not going to let the SH get away so easily if they ever cross paths because of what they did to Thriller Bark.
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I do not think Moria cares so much about the Strawhats, I think he would be more angry with Kaidou.
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@Monkey:
I am not exploding downstairs, I'm very calm. It is you who is mad though I do not know why? Calm down Fezzik.
He did luck out with Moria, it is pretty much not arguable. What else do you call bumping into people in the forest who have 100 shadows up for use.
Also you seem to be one of the people who hates Moria for no reason and would like to pretend he is not really one of the shichibukai so you think of him as weaker and not mattering, but that is not the case. Moria did not get outside help, he had prepared weapons that he planned out by gathering and stuff. It was not luck. It was the whole part of why he was dangerous and powerful and was made a shichibukai.
Do you understand what I mean by 'exploding downstairs', it means you're getting too excited over the Shichibukai thinking that that none of the Strawhats are near their level. Moria is weaker and a fucking failure to boot, something that you fanboys need to come to terms with. He didn't get any help, Hogback was just washing the dishes of that over-bloated ass. I'm a badass ain't I for using another person's body to fight in my place :getlost: You are going to bloody argue and go on about Moria's power blah, blah, blah, but the fact is he stumbled upon Hogback who stumbled upon the body of a 500 year old demon, thus allowing Hogback to operate on it and revive it using a shadow from Moria. Hogback was helping him. I wouldn't mind if Moria wasn't a lazy ass and fought Luffy one on one, but the fact of the matter is he was using a body of a monster multiple times bigger than a normal giant to fight the Strawhats. Now seriously get over him. By the way Luffy can beat Crocodile, Moria, Hancock and possibly Jinbeh now :getlost:
Before or after getting pounded by someone stronger than Oars?
Before
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Moria did fight Luffy one-on-one with no outside help and completely defeated him.
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Moria did fight Luffy one-on-one with no outside help and completely defeated him.
He relied on the power of 1000 shadows, though.
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Moria did fight Luffy one-on-one with no outside help and completely defeated him.
Yep, running away is completely defeating someone by your logic.
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I think we will have a cover story that displays Moria, training to go to the new world to defeat his nemesis Kaidou and that the training will be very rocky-esque and will make Moria have his awesome design back and Luffy won't reckognize him when they meet in the New World.
He relied on the power of 1000 shadows, though.
true but that is his devil fruit power and if I remember correctly, Luffy also relied on his rubber abilities, did he not? Is it not fair that Moria takes advantage of the fruit he ate when Luffy does too?
Anyway, I am wondering, would Luffy after the time skip be stronger that nightmare Luffy?
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I think we will have a cover story that displays Moria, training to go to the new world to defeat his nemesis Kaidou and that the training will be very rocky-esque and will make Moria have his awesome design back and Luffy won't reckognize him when they meet in the New World.
I'll be happy if he does turn into what others have alluded to, but from what I've seen of him so far he isn't that impressive
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He relied on the power of 1000 shadows, though.
No, I mean prior to that.
I don't exactly remember when, I think after Moria took Luffy's shadow and prior to the Oars fight. It was when Moria's DF was fully explained. -
He can be pretty damn powerful though if he weren't so damn Lazy and fat . . .
Even Doflamingo commented that Moria had a fruit with many possibilities (but I read a bad translation of that chapter so I could be very wrong about that.)I think after Moria took Luffy's shadow and prior to the Oars fight. It was when Moria's DF was fully explained.
Yes, it is when we first see doppleman, no? It is in the hangar where Oars was stored. Luffy could barely touch Moria.
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Take the Shichibukai strength debate to the Shichibukai thread, please.
Anyway, I hope in this flashback we get a definate on Jinbe's captain status. Chapter 546's title called him the Captain of the Fishman Pirates and during that chapter, a prisoner called him the Captain of the Fishman Pirates as well. Also, in chapter 609 when Keimi told Luffy that Jinbe wasn't on Fishman Island anymore due to the loss of his Shichibukai title, she mentioned the other members of the Fishman Pirates had to leave too. I think, even though we haven't seen them yet, that he is still the captain of some portion of the original Sun Pirates. But I know others doubt this.
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I think this flashback might end in the next chapter or two.
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I think this flashback might end in the next chapter or two.
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I'm thinking 5 or so chapters for the flashback.
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I think this flashback might end in the next chapter or two.
Why would this flashback of all flashbacks be a short one.
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Well, it's Oda. Remember when eveyone thought that Ace wouldn't got killed? Yeah…....
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Well, it's Oda. Remember when eveyone thought that Ace wouldn't got killed? Yeah…....
I think Jinbe is going to be raped in the next chapter. Literally. By a 4 year old Luffy. It's Oda. Remember when everyone thought that Ace wouldn't get killed?
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I found Jimbe's response to Sanji's threat supremely hilarious after Nami had a flashback to all the abuse and trauma that Arlong delivered. That made the chapter. I can't stop thinking of it.
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Well, it's Oda. Remember when eveyone thought that Ace wouldn't got killed? Yeah…....
Oda is a careful mangaka, he does things for reasons. There is no reason for this flashback to be short.
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Gotta say, Both Sanji and Jinbe really impressed me in this chapter. Aside from the fact that they are two of my favorite characters, I love how much of a badass Sanji is. Talking with some people on Facebook, some people assumed Sanji would be the next Yamcha. Sanji just got a lot of respect from me this chapter. Even if he can't take Jinbe down(Which I think he can) this wasn't like Jinbe threatening Nami and him going into protector mode, this was straight up him saying that his actions put Nami through hard times, and he WILL take him down if he can't explain himself.
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Take the Shichibukai strength debate to the Shichibukai thread, please.
Anyway, I hope in this flashback we get a definate on Jinbe's captain status. Chapter 546's title called him the Captain of the Fishman Pirates and during that chapter, a prisoner called him the Captain of the Fishman Pirates as well. Also, in chapter 609 when Keimi told Luffy that Jinbe wasn't on Fishman Island anymore due to the loss of his Shichibukai title, she mentioned the other members of the Fishman Pirates had to leave too. I think, even though we haven't seen them yet, that he is still the captain of some portion of the original Sun Pirates. But I know others doubt this.
That is my biggest question for now… if he has a crew... Where was it all the time. It wasn't at the war helping the man who protect their island and wasn't seen not a single time yet... jinbei is all alone all the time... But the statements are still strange
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This flashback doesn't have to be long or short. It's not about Fisher Tiger or any of the Sun Pirates. It's about Jimbe & Arlong.
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This flashback doesn't have to be long or short. It's not about Fisher Tiger or any of the Sun Pirates. It's about Jimbe & Arlong.
Uh yeah it is partly about Fisher Tiger too. He is the mentor of both of those guys, it is part about him.
Also there is Queen Otohime to be covered.
Two big character deaths, and the Shichibukai deal, and Arlong leaving, and the development of Jimbei's character.
It will at least be a normal length flashback to cover all that.
It will not be short.
Oda does not rush backstories. He tells them like normal stories with starts, middles, and ends. He does not just rush out info.
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What I am trying to say is that I don't think everything that's been hinted at in this arc will be solved in this single flashback. Queen Otohime's death and Fisher Tiger's character might not even be related at all. So they could explain it in another way.