Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread v.2

[suneo]

I think One Piece can be found if you follow the instructions written on Poneglyphs

[kdchronos]

another theory is that Merry, Masira, Shoujo and Mohji are half minks

[RamistaR]

Inuarashi rules from sunrise to sunset. Nekomamushi rules at night.
They have very different ways of treating guests.

Also can anyone confirm those translations ?

Nekomamushi = cat-snake
Inuarashi = dog-storm

[Katzztar]

@RamistaR:

Inuarashi rules from sunrise to sunset. Nekomamushi rules at night.
They have very different ways of treating guests.

Also can anyone confirm those translations ?

Nekomamushi = cat-snake
Inuarashi = dog-storm

Mangastream just put out the chapter and they have a note on the two kings. You're right on Inurashi meaning dog+storm, but Nekomamushi is cat+viper

[Monkey King]

@Kaptayn:

(I don't know if this should be posted on the Cover Story Thread or on this one, or if it has been posted before)

! http://i.imgur.com/xluZcwz.png

We can see a sign on which is written "Tsuru" and, strangely enough, there's even a flamingo (reference to Doflamingo ?).
Sanji's suitcase reads "The Secret", and the number "1830" can be seen.
Is this foreshadowing anything, or is it just a coincidence ? I'm not sure but I think that a cover picture has already foreshadowed something in the past (could be my mind playing tricks on me, though).

source : http://www.onepiecelovers.com/sanji-and-the-secret-theory/2/2/

Tsuru is the Japanese word for crane…

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@Joy_Boy's_Will:

5. Given that the blue prints of pluton were so heavily fought after in Water 7, I think Oda was telling us it had to actually be built, not found. Also, it seems unlikely a ship would survive, and still be useful after 900 years regardless of it's quality.

This is incorrect. You don't seem to understand the plot of Water 7 at all.
The Pluton still exists, it's in Alabasta somewhere.
Because it still exists the shipwrights of Water 7 have been passing the blueprints down for generations in order to prepare for the issue of someone uncovering it. If the original is revived, another must be built to fight it basically.

Also have you addressed the fundamentally dull idea of all the dangerous super weapons belonging to our heroes, and none of them falling into the wrong hands? A plot line foreshadowed to death in both the case of Pluton and Shirahoshi?

And maybe I'm not reading you right…are you suggesting in the future that Franky will adjust the Sunny to be like the Pluton? Ok I disagree but there might be some aspects of that which come true.
Or ..... ..... ....are you saying that the Sunny literally is a Pluton....which is absolutely ridiculous and clearly not the case.
These are ancient superweapons... supposably of apocalyptic quality. How in any way at all does this make you think the Sunny is the Pluton. It's like you also don't understand the ancient weapon plot either. Please tell me the first sentence above is what you were saying and not the second.

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@Maju:

what was in alabasta was the poigne griffe with the location of pluton,not the weapon itself..crocodile THOUGHT it was in alabasta,but we didn't had any confimration toehr than the fact that the poignee griffe indeed pointed the location…but let's remember that the poignee griffe with the location of poseidon was in jaya/upper yard

Crocodile would have to be pretty damn sure to organize that entire plan. Taking over Alabasta was the plan, not reaching a Poneglyph. And the point of taking over Alabasta was because he would find the weapon there and use the country as his base with the weapon.

[ARTEMlS]

Well, we as readers can't know for sure that it's there, but yeah, Croc would have to be really damn sure. My guess is that it's somehow intertwined with what we've learned in Dressrosa. That what's happened to Pluton (are therefore its current whereabouts) is heavily connected to the reason why the Nefertari family got excluded from the Tenryuubito.

[EvoWarrior5]

@Monkey:

Crocodile would have to be pretty damn sure to organize that entire plan. Taking over Alabasta was the plan, not reaching a Poneglyph. And the point of taking over Alabasta was because he would find the weapon there and use the country as his base with the weapon.

Is this all we have to go on, though? I also don't recall it ever having been stated that Pluton was definitely in Alabasta. I agree with you that it is fairly logical to believe that Crocodile would have to be fairly sure it was there before making such an elaborate plan, but even then I'm sceptical. How could Crocodile have been so sure that it would be in Alabasta? Rumours? The only thing I could imagine being concrete enough to lead someone to believe such a thing is a Poneglyph. Could it not have been the case that Robin, who didn't care for Crocodile's plan and only wanted to find the Rio Poneglyph, simply told Crocodile that it was probably in Alabasta?

[Monkey King]

@EvoWarrior5:

Is this all we have to go on, though? I also don't recall it ever having been stated that Pluton was definitely in Alabasta. I agree with you that it is fairly logical to believe that Crocodile would have to be fairly sure it was there before making such an elaborate plan, but even then I'm sceptical. How could Crocodile have been so sure that it would be in Alabasta? Rumours?

Presumably he and Robin had been following other Poneglyphs.
The previous one might have pointed to Alabasta, whereas the one on the island points to the exact location.

Could it not have been the case that Robin, who didn't care for Crocodile's plan and only wanted to find the Rio Poneglyph, simply told Crocodile that it was probably in Alabasta?

Why would Robin allow all the chaos to happened if she just wanted access to Alabasta's Poneglyph? She looked younger in the flashback when she was in Croc's office getting recruited, so I imagine they'd been reading other Poneglyphs for awhile. Otherwise Croc was kind of early recruiting her no?

You're also forgetting that Robin says the Alabasta Poneglyph does reveal the Pluton. Meaning her lies to Croc started there. Unless you think that was unlucky coincedence?
And one more thing: Cobra says that had she told him what it really said that right then would have been the end. Implying at the very least that Croc could access it quickly. Mind you he also says this after Luffy already beat him. Which REALLY indicates that the Pluton was somehow super close. That statement even seems to suggest the Pluton might be below Alubarna, let alone not off the island lol.

[EvoWarrior5]

@Monkey:

Presumably he and Robin had been following other Poneglyphs.
The previous one might have pointed to Alabasta, whereas the one on the island points to the exact location.

Yes, that's what I said.

Why would Robin allow all the chaos to happened if she just wanted access to Alabasta's Poneglyph? She looked younger in the flashback when she was in Croc's office getting recruited, so I imagine they'd been reading other Poneglyphs for awhile. Otherwise Croc was kind of early recruiting her no?

Why wouldn't she allow it? I guess that she just couldn't rush to the Poneglyph. Crocodile couldn't rush to Pluton because he needed the country's trust so he could be sure to take it over when the time came. Robin did not necessarily need this, but she had to follow Crocodile's commands. She may have been searching for it already during the three years - either under Crocodile's orders or on her own - or she may not. We can't really know. But clearly it was hard to find or they didn't need Cobra to lead them to it. I'm not sure why you would be surprised that she let all the chaos happen. She wanted the Poneglyph, not rush to her death because she was ruining Crocodile's plan.

You're also forgetting that Robin says the Alabasta Poneglyph does reveal the Pluton. Meaning her lies to Croc started there. Unless you think that was unlucky coincedence?

I know that, I'm not sure what you think I'm forgetting. Why would that lie indicate that she could never have lied to him before? What do you even mean by unlucky coincidence?

And one more thing: Cobra says that had she told him what it really said that right then would have been the end. Implying at the very least that Croc could access it quickly. Mind you he also says this after Luffy already beat him. Which REALLY indicates that the Pluton was somehow super close. That statement even seems to suggest the Pluton might be below Alubarna, let alone not off the island lol.

I like that pointer. I looked it up, his exact words are that if she had told him, "the country would have fallen into his hands". Meaning that it would have to be close.

I don't think that the fact that Luffy already beat him tells us anything, though. It doesn't change his statement. I doubt that if she had told him where Pluton was, Crocodile would somehow either have managed to beat Luffy or escaped from the Marines' grasp because of the big motivation boost it would have given him. Dunno, maybe it's possible, but I don't really see that as an indication of anything. Cobra's statement doesn't make sense simply because of his word choice. He should have said could. If she had told him, the country could have fallen into his hands if Luffy hadn't been there. Minor detail, though. The point still stands: it's been heavily hinted that it is at or in the immediate surroundings of Alabasta.

[Monkey King]

@EvoWarrior5:

I don't think that the fact that Luffy already beat him tells us anything, though. It doesn't change his statement.

Of course it does. If Robin had told him and it wasn't super close, it wouldn't have ended up making much difference. Because Luffy arrives very soon after and beats Crocodile.
It had to be super close for Robin's choice to have made a difference in anything.

[EvoWarrior5]

@Monkey:

Of course it does. If Robin had told him and it wasn't super close, it wouldn't have ended up making much difference. Because Luffy arrives very soon after and beats Crocodile.
It had to be super close for Robin's choice to have made a difference in anything.

That's another way of seeing it. There could have been a secret door right behind the Poneglyph or something, I guess.

Oh well, at this point it's kind of becoming empty speculation. The Poneglyph was close, that's what we can gather. Whether it was within the square kilometre or whether Cobra did not formulate his sentence entirely correctly does not matter much.

[Maju]

@Monkey:

Crocodile would have to be pretty damn sure to organize that entire plan. Taking over Alabasta was the plan, not reaching a Poneglyph. And the point of taking over Alabasta was because he would find the weapon there and use the country as his base with the weapon.

the fact that he thought he knew doesn't necessarily mean he did …he actually hired nico robin to get confirmation about the location of pluton,so there's no way he was 100% sure...
in fact if i remember correctly when robin tells him that the poneglyph only has the history of alabasta on it,he says that he still believes that pluton is on the island because of Cobra's reaction...that doesn't sound like a man that it's 100% sure of the fact at all...only way to be 100% sure would have been a previous poneglyph,but in that case he wouldn't need to read the alabasta one in the first place...just continue being a shichibukai on the island and use the baroque works to search the entire island until you find it,than use it to conquer alabasta and threat the world...he had all the time in the world (if i remember correctly,one of the latest sbs points his arrive at alabasta around the death of corazon or slightly before..so at least 11 years of heroing on the island)and an enormous organization with tons of people that were able to infiltrate both the royal guard and the rebels,move in secrecy wouldn't have been a problem really.

that being said,it's entirely possible that pluton was indeed in alabasta,but the example of poseidon tell us that it's totally possible that it was not,since in that case the two were really far apart from each other

[EvoWarrior5]

@Maju:

only way to be 100% sure would have been a previous poneglyph,but in that case he wouldn't need to read the alabasta one in the first place…just continue being a shichibukai on the island and use the baroque works to search the entire island until you find it,than use it to conquer alabasta and threat the world...

Are you seriously saying that searching a big island with that must have at least 5 million people living on it with 2000 people would be more efficient than just reading its exact location and going there at once?

he had all the time in the world (if i remember correctly,one of the latest sbs points his arrive at alabasta around the death of corazon or slightly before..so at least 11 years of heroing on the island)and an enormous organization with tons of people that were able to infiltrate both the royal guard and the rebels,move in secrecy wouldn't have been a problem really.

I don't know when he really arrived but I doubt it was 11 years. There hadn't been any rain for 3 years so that's how long his plan was going, but I'm not sure how long before that time he arrived. Anyways, I'm having trouble believing it was 11 years.

that being said,it's entirely possible that pluton was indeed in alabasta,but the example of poseidon tell us that it's totally possible that it was not,since in that case the two were really far apart from each other

This was already discussed between Monkey and I. The fact that Cobra says that the country would have fallen into his hands had he learned of the location is definitely a pointer that Pluton must have been close.

The rest of your post was also already covered between the two of us. Just read the previous posts if you want answers to the rest.

[Maju]

@EvoWarrior5:

Are you seriously saying that searching a big island with that must have at least 5 million people living on it with 2000 people would be more efficient than just reading its exact location and going there at once?

with 11 years of time?sure,especially when you have thousands of subordinates and you are searching for a gigantic battleship
it's not like the entire "utopia" plan was easy to make at all,even crocodile said it needed a lot of time and a lot of money.

I don't know when he really arrived but I doubt it was 11 years. There hadn't been any rain for 3 years so that's how long his plan was going, but I'm not sure how long before that time he arrived. Anyways, I'm having trouble believing it was 11 years.

tell that to oda…one fan pointed out that he was on a newspaper on the flashback of law and corazon,and he said that the news were reporting the start of his heroing around alabasta
also,like i said previously,the plan needed lot of time and lot of money..so of course the lack of rain started only relatively recently..he first needed the money for the silver for the dance powder and to hire thousands of goons..the operation didn't start immediately

This was already discussed between Monkey and I. The fact that Cobra says that the country would have fallen into his hands had he learned of the location is definitely a pointer that Pluton must have been close.

why?
even if the location was in some other island,the fact that crocodile would be the only one knowing it would mean that he has all the time in the world to reach the weapon that no one is guarding because no one know it still exists.
even if it was in fishman island,the world would still have been screwed

also,cobra can't read poneglyphs..he knows what is on the poneglyph is about pluton and it's location,he doesn't know what it says and where it is…

[EvoWarrior5]

@Maju:

why?
even if the location was in some other island,the fact that crocodile would be the only one knowing it would mean that he has all the time in the world to reach the weapon that no one is guarding because no one know it still exists.
even if it was in fishman island,the world would still have been screwed

also,cobra can't read poneglyphs..he knows what is on the poneglyph is about pluton and it's location,he doesn't know what it says and where it is…

I doubt Cobra would just randomly make assumptions that Pluton was near. If he said a thing like "if you had told Crocodile the truth, this country would have fallen into his hands" he clearly had some idea of its location. Even if he may not have known the exact location, he would at least have had to know that it was in/near Alabasta. This is further strengthened by the fact that he knew Robin had lied to Crocodile. He probably knew that it only contained information on the weapon. It's not unlikely that some general knowledge on the matter (the secret underground tunnel, some knowledge as to what the Poneglyph contains, that the ancient weapon is near) was passed down through the ages within the royal family. Similarly, Neptune had some vague ideas on Fishman Island's Poneglyph and its contents.

It is debatable, depending on where exactly Pluton would turn out to be, but Cobra saying "this country would have fallen into his hands if he had known where Pluton was" is a massive hint. It heavily implies that the weapon is in or near Alabasta, otherwise why would Cobra so strongly believe that the country would fall in Crocodile's hands if he knew where it was? It means that Crocodile would not have to put too much effort into getting it and making Alabasta his base while activating it. You could argue that, even if it's somewhere else, he had already pretty much made Alabasta a suitable base so he could just have gone and collected it and brought it back, but I don't know if it is easy to argue that he could just drag a massive warship over half the ocean without getting spotted and having half the Government on his ass before he ever figures out how it really works. That's why it kind of depends on where exactly it is. But I think it's pretty heavily implied that it must have been close.

[Monkey King]

@Maju:

the fact that he thought he knew doesn't necessarily mean he did …he actually hired nico robin to get confirmation about the location of pluton,so there's no way he was 100% sure...

You should have read the exchange I just had above as well, by the end it was agreed that Cobra's dialogue all but confirms the Pluton was not only in Alabasta but extremely close.

only way to be 100% sure would have been a previous poneglyph,but in that case he wouldn't need to read the alabasta one in the first place..

Not at all. Previous Poneglyphs could have stated that the Pluton was in Alabasta, but not specifically where.

just continue being a shichibukai on the island and use the baroque works to search the entire island until you find it

Considering the weapon in question I think we should assume it's much better hidden than that lol. This is an ancient super weapon.
By your logic if he wasn't sure then why bother with the plan at all. Why not sneak a small team in, maybe even just Robin and himself, and access the Alubarna Poneglyph that way. They were able to kidnap Cobra after all, and even "replace" him with Mr. 2.
All very doable without the Utopia Plan being started whatsoever. So no, what you're suggesting makes no sense.

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@Maju:

w
why?
even if the location was in some other island,the fact that crocodile would be the only one knowing it would mean that he has all the time in the world to reach the weapon that no one is guarding because no one know it still exists.
even if it was in fishman island,the world would still have been screwed

Except that Cobra says this after Crocodile was beaten by Luffy. What he said doesn't make any sense if the Pluton was far away because nothing would have fallen into Croc's hands.
He would have been like "OH COOL, UM WELL MY PLAN WAS POINTLESS ..BUT I GUESS I'LL GO TO A BOAT NOW. SAIL AWAY TO SOME PLACE ELSE" then Luffy still shows up when he does and still kicks his ass.
Crocodile knowing or not knowing where Pluton was ended up being irrelevant….UNLESS the Pluton was extremely close by.

also,cobra can't read poneglyphs..he knows what is on the poneglyph is about pluton and it's location,he doesn't know what it says and where it is…

Are you sure Cobra doesn't know where it is? The information could have been passed down through the Nefertari dynasty. After all he obviously knows what Pluton is in the first place and the implications. Such info has been passed down in Water7 outside of Poneglyphs, there's a precedent for this.

[Maju]

@Monkey:

Not at all. Previous Poneglyphs could have stated that the Pluton was in Alabasta, but not specifically where.

since crocodile said that it was cobra's reaction that convinced him that pluton was in alabasta,he wasn't sure before
also,since he got fooled by robin saying that the poneglyph had the history of alabasta on it,it's impossible that a previous poneglyph pointed to alabasta (if it even exist such poneglyph..from what we know robin says that the two types of poneglyphs are the one with info and the ones that lead to the location of said poneglyphs,it seems to imply that one info is on a given poneglyph,and there are no poneglyphs that have the same info on them or that are related to the same thing),since he would have called bullshit immediately,there's one poneglyph per island,so if one pointed them there,then that PG should have had pluton's location on it.

Considering the weapon in question I think we should assume it's much better hidden than that lol. This is an ancient super weapon.
By your logic if he wasn't sure then why bother with the plan at all. Why not sneak a small team in, maybe even just Robin and himself, and access the Alubarna Poneglyph that way. They were able to kidnap Cobra after all, and even "replace" him with Mr. 2.
All very doable without the Utopia Plan being started whatsoever. So no, what you're suggesting makes no sense.

because the poneglyph was in the one place not accessible by normal means,the royal tomb and they needed cobra to lead them there
pluton is hidden,but has no one guarding it (because it would imply that someone knows where it is),so with 11 years of presence in alabasta it's more amatter of time than anything,even if well hidden..especially counting that alabasta is mostly desert,so very few places have witnesses or any obstacle to a search..especially from the organization with tons odf members

Except that Cobra says this after Crocodile was beaten by Luffy. What he said doesn't make any sense if the Pluton was far away because nothing would have fallen into Croc's hands.
He would have been like "OH COOL, UM WELL MY PLAN WAS POINTLESS ..BUT I GUESS I'LL GO TO A BOAT NOW. SAIL AWAY TO SOME PLACE ELSE" then Luffy still shows up when he does and still kicks his ass.
Crocodile knowing or not knowing where Pluton was ended up being irrelevant….UNLESS the Pluton was extremely close by.

nothing except the location of the one weapon said to be able to destroy the world?:wassat:
croc's plan indeed needed for pluton to be on the island to come to total fruition,but it's not what we are discussing here,because he has no way to know for sure until he uses cobra to reach the poneglyph and reads the location there..

Are you sure Cobra doesn't know where it is? The information could have been passed down through the Nefertari dynasty. After all he obviously knows what Pluton is in the first place and the implications. Such info has been passed down in Water7 outside of Poneglyphs, there's a precedent for this.

yeah pretty sure since the entire story of robin revolves around her being the only person alive who knows the location of the weapon.
Also nothing in the manga suggests that cobra knows the location itself..what has been passed down is that the info is in that poneglyph ,and that's all he knows and that's all he says..

and by the way,i'm not ruling out the option that the weapon IS in alabasta,but just satying that we have no confirmation in the manga that it is the case,except from croco's belief..but croco was also the one that was fooled by robin saying that the pneglyph didn't have the info on it,so it's not like he is a reliable source at all.@EvoWarrior5:

I doubt Cobra would just randomly make assumptions that Pluton was near. If he said a thing like "if you had told Crocodile the truth, this country would have fallen into his hands" he clearly had some idea of its location. Even if he may not have known the exact location, he would at least have had to know that it was in/near Alabasta. This is further strengthened by the fact that he knew Robin had lied to Crocodile. He probably knew that it only contained information on the weapon. It's not unlikely that some general knowledge on the matter (the secret underground tunnel, some knowledge as to what the Poneglyph contains, that the ancient weapon is near) was passed down through the ages within the royal family. Similarly, Neptune had some vague ideas on Fishman Island's Poneglyph and its contents.

It is debatable, depending on where exactly Pluton would turn out to be, but Cobra saying "this country would have fallen into his hands if he had known where Pluton was" is a massive hint. It heavily implies that the weapon is in or near Alabasta, otherwise why would Cobra so strongly believe that the country would fall in Crocodile's hands if he knew where it was? It means that Crocodile would not have to put too much effort into getting it and making Alabasta his base while activating it. You could argue that, even if it's somewhere else, he had already pretty much made Alabasta a suitable base so he could just have gone and collected it and brought it back, but I don't know if it is easy to argue that he could just drag a massive warship over half the ocean without getting spotted and having half the Government on his ass before he ever figures out how it really works. That's why it kind of depends on where exactly it is. But I think it's pretty heavily implied that it must have been close.

the fact is though,that if pluton is anywhere as powerful as hinted,even if the world governement would try to stop him,it would be useless once he got that
remember that this is the weapon he was counting on to fight the WG in the first place

of course it's possible that pluton is in alabasta,just not sure because everyone in the story moves because of assumptions,robin is the only one that is sure of anything after she reads the PN

[haploid]

I think Robin has already awakened the Hana Hana no Mi. Because of the clones.

[Maju]

@haploid:

I think Robin has already awakened the Hana Hana no Mi. Because of the clones.

nah,that's just Oda forgetting how her's fruit is supposed to work

[Elektrik Dynomite]

I think that Sanji went with Jack and pretended to be Raizou in order to save the Minks

[uniaka ikuzakas]

@Elektrik:

I think that Sanji went with Jack and pretended to be Raizou in order to save the Minks

If Jack has no clue how samurais look like sure, but I imagine Jack has some kind of clue about samurais since he is looking for one for a reason. Heck, Sanji doesn't have swords, doesn't have outfit like kinemon or kanjuro. Unless he somehow borrowed clothes from Kinemon just in case… and used now.

Also, how is Sanji going to deal with it? He would have better shots to try and beat Jack there rather then have him take him to their island with kaidou and the rest of the yonkou's crew and Sanji would be in trouble, bad.

[Joy_Boy's_Will]

@Monkey:

This is incorrect. You don't seem to understand the plot of Water 7 at all.
The Pluton still exists, it's in Alabasta somewhere.
Because it still exists the shipwrights of Water 7 have been passing the blueprints down for generations in order to prepare for the issue of someone uncovering it. If the original is revived, another must be built to fight it basically.

Also have you addressed the fundamentally dull idea of all the dangerous super weapons belonging to our heroes, and none of them falling into the wrong hands? A plot line foreshadowed to death in both the case of Pluton and Shirahoshi?

And maybe I'm not reading you right…are you suggesting in the future that Franky will adjust the Sunny to be like the Pluton? Ok I disagree but there might be some aspects of that which come true.
Or ..... ..... ....are you saying that the Sunny literally is a Pluton....which is absolutely ridiculous and clearly not the case.
These are ancient superweapons... supposably of apocalyptic quality. How in any way at all does this make you think the Sunny is the Pluton. It's like you also don't understand the ancient weapon plot either. Please tell me the first sentence above is what you were saying and not the second.

Crocodile would have to be pretty damn sure to organize that entire plan. Taking over Alabasta was the plan, not reaching a Poneglyph. And the point of taking over Alabasta was because he would find the weapon there and use the country as his base with the weapon.

You have some valid points, and i've actually adjusted my views awhile back since I last posted and I think it'll cover your concerns.

I do think Pluton still exists, however, I don't think the SH's will come to possess it. I think the Pluton will be found though, and just as the makers of Pluton feared it will be people who seek to abuse it's powers who will possess it.

The theory about Gedatsu finding Pluton under Alabasta is a solid guess, perhaps he will uncover it and show off his finding, completely unaware that it is Pluton.
If this were to happen i'm sure the WG, would become aware of this and seek to steal it. Which wouldn't be that difficult imo.

Although I can't prove it, I suspect Franky still has the ability to make the Pluton described on the Blueprints that he received from Tom. He's a cyborg, I could imagine the blueprints are saved to his hard drive(lol) or something like that.

The purpose of the Blueprints was not to make a "weapon". The shiprights who designed Pluton feared that if it fell into the wrong hands, it could mean the end of the world. With this in mind the blueprints were saved and passed down the generations just in case the original Pluton were ever found. The blueprints were then supposed to create an "opposing force". So basically, the blueprints are for a Pluton which could take on the original Pluton.

Once Franky realizes the WG has Pluton, he would certainly feel compelled to create this "opposing force" as Tom had instructed when he gave the Blueprints to him and iceburg. This would be the moment that he would upgrade the Sunny to "Pluton", or near enough.

I suspect he might have already used part of the Pluton designs when he first created the Sunny. Obviously not the "island destroying" aspects of it but maybe some of the other parts of Pluton that made it seemingly impossible to capture during the void century.

Also, in respect to Crocoboy.. reaching the Poneglyph may not summarize his plan completely, however, it was a pretty big part of the plan and Robin's main role as being part of BW. Croc wanted to read that Poneglyph so he could wasily find Pluton once he took over Alabasta. His main goal was not taking over Alabasta though, it was obtaining Pluton to "conquer the world" using it. I think you understand this but just clarifying/ stating my understanding if you don't.

[Monkey King]

@Joy_Boy's_Will:

He's a cyborg, I could imagine the blueprints are saved to his hard drive(lol) or something like that.

I think he said he had it memorized or something.

The purpose of the Blueprints was not to make a "weapon". The shiprights who designed Pluton feared that if it fell into the wrong hands, it could mean the end of the world. With this in mind the blueprints were saved and passed down the generations just in case the original Pluton were ever found. The blueprints were then supposed to create an "opposing force". So basically, the blueprints are for a Pluton which could take on the original Pluton.

Yeah that's what I said.

Once Franky realizes the WG has Pluton, he would certainly feel compelled to create this "opposing force" as Tom had instructed when he gave the Blueprints to him and iceburg. This would be the moment that he would upgrade the Sunny to "Pluton", or near enough.

That sounds pretty plausible. But a point I was trying to make was Franky on his own should not be able to do it just like that. It would probably require extra material and help and even more.

[Joy_Boy's_Will]

@Monkey:

That sounds pretty plausible. But a point I was trying to make was Franky on his own should not be able to do it just like that. It would probably require extra material and help and even more.

That's definitely a solid criticism lol

We just don't know enough about Pluton to know for sure what materials are required. However, I don't think he would need help. Franky is the best, i'm sure if he knows how to do it, and has all the necessary parts he could get the job done.

[Razh]

Kinda doubt a weapon of mass destruction could be powered by Coke.

It probably needs a shitload of seastone or some other rare material. I doubt blueprints themselves are the only obstacle. Wonder if Vegapunk is close to cracking it.

[RobZilla]

@Razh:

Kinda doubt a weapon of mass destruction could be powered by Coke.

Insane amounts of Cola maybe.

Stuff like Franky's radical beam already seems to be powered by his usual cola source, so there doesn't seem to be a real limit to the energy that can be produced from it.

Then again, I can agree that it would be maybe a bit too goofy to have something that can wipe out entire islands get it's power from a gimmicky fuel.

[Razh]

It was just adressed to the claim that Franky has all the necessary parts.

And yeah, it would be shitty if all it took for a planetary destruction version of Gaon Cannon was more Cola! Not to mention lasers. Sure, I can see Cola being a fuel for the system Franky developed, but big lasers would require a shitload of rare material. It's not like Vegapunk's abandoned labs are scattered all over the New World.

[RamistaR]

LoL cola was already a thing 900 years ago ?!

[maxterdexter]

I've insisted for a while that some of the technology of the sunny is actually derived from pluton.

But then again my other theory about is is that is the maxim for the quake fruit. So I don't know.

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The cola engine is just Franky's power source. Considering how little of them have been explored in the manga (enel, dials, and.. Cola) the rest being coal, water or a fish pulling a ship, I don't think that oda has planed much of plutons power source.

[Razh]

I think he has. It's not like he's superficial when it comes to that kind of detail. If Pluto is ever supposed to appear in the story, even in some kind of weakened form, I'd guess Oda would at least give some thought to it's strengths and weaknesses. If for nothing else, than to have the good guys exploit the latter.

I could imagine white ore or something like that being a power source or a part of the material used for construction.

[maxterdexter]

Back to this? Is lead. Not plutonium.

[Razh]

@maxterdexter:

Back to this? Is lead. Not plutonium.

Back to what?

Didn't know you can't make engine or weapon parts with lead.

And it was just an example. Insert sea stone or wapometal or wine steel/liquore instead if it will make you more comfortable.

[maxterdexter]

If its called lead, used as lead, causes lead poisoing like symptoms, its not plutonium. If it was to be a power source, more radiation or coal- damage like symptoms would have surfaced.

[Razh]

I like how you focused on power source part while disregarding the construction material part.

Oda can do whatever the hell he wants with his white lead. Brought it up as an example, not so we would have lenghty discussions on the properties of lead and reasons why fiction lead needs to behave the same as reality lead.

[Maju]

@maxterdexter:

If its called lead, used as lead, causes lead poisoing like symptoms, its not plutonium. If it was to be a power source, more radiation or coal- damage like symptoms would have surfaced.

well,sweeteners,makeup and even weapons were present in the list of things made with white lead,so i wouldn't say power source is that far out of a possibility..it was supposed to be some kind of miracolous multi-purpose substance in the first place,that's why it was so valuable

but that being said,i believe that it's not the case and people just theorized that beause the substance is from chapters relatively recent and still fresh in our minds

[Luca]

Don't you guys see like a complete showdown in the world coming up, like some match ups are already made

bb vs revos

lawluffyzoro vs kaido drake

shanks vs apoo kidd basil killer

Here i've made some random matchups would be cool to see, with the whole abolishing the shichibukai
mihawk vs fujitora
green bull vs boa
akainu kizaru vs big mom capone
kuma vs vewill

Those are all the players from doflamingos, would be cool to see who keeps the indipendece and who gets crushed

[EvoWarrior5]

You're forgetting that Kaidou already crashed the Kidd alliance's party. Unless he just walks away without doing anything, that will stir things up.

[SirCaesar]

@Razh:

Kinda doubt a weapon of mass destruction could be powered by Coke.

It probably needs a shitload of seastone or some other rare material. I doubt blueprints themselves are the only obstacle. Wonder if Vegapunk is close to cracking it.

Well, bring in "Purest quality coke" , produced from mountain waters from some sacred land etcetc.

[Razh]

@SirCaesar:

Well, bring in "Purest quality coke" , produced from mountain waters from some sacred land etcetc.

Just pure, uncut coke. :ninja:

[ScotchNo3]

Nuka Cola Quantum…:ninja:
Just putting that out there

[Katzztar]

@Scotch\No3/:

Nuka Cola Quantum…:ninja:
Just putting that out there

Which is a special brand -branch- of applied carbonated physics

[Bugs]

All this cola related talk makes me wonder what would happen if Sunny was powered by vegetable juice, iced tea or rum. If stuff that does weird things to Franky, who knows what it would do to the ship.

[EvoWarrior5]

@Bugs:

All this cola related talk makes me wonder what would happen if Sunny was powered by vegetable juice, iced tea or rum. If stuff that does weird things to Franky, who knows what it would do to the ship.

Rofl, we need a spin-off where this is put to the test.

[Razh]

Put some ice tea into Sunny and it becomes a combine harvester.

[Katzztar]

@Bugs:

All this cola related talk makes me wonder what would happen if Sunny was powered by vegetable juice, iced tea or rum. If stuff that does weird things to Franky, who knows what it would do to the ship.

The Sunny on rum…. I'd imagine it be like the ship to be acting quite spastic, jumping up and down as it sailed and spontaneous shooting off cannons, like the ship in the animated music vid of "Frigging in the Riggin" by the Sex Pistols

Warning, it is the Sex Pistols, and covers the ol' bawdy song "Good Ship Venus" …. and yes its just as lewd as it sounds, there is very little nudity (few seconds at the end-its the figurehead)... but then there are those the lyrics….
Ship starts skipping about 1:05
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[Namiorbust]

Someday down the road there will be One piece playing cards and their will be four variations of Jack in the Jack spot. Gol Rodger, Whitebeard, Sengoku, and Garp will be Kings and the Queens will be Big Mom, Hancock, Jewelry Bonnie, and Tsaru. Doflamingo and Corazon will be the jokers. I wouldn't be suprised if One Piece playing cards already exists.

[kdchronos]

Zoro is going to learn how to cut fire and Brook is going to learn electro

[Razh]

@Namiorbust:

Someday down the road there will be One piece playing cards and their will be four variations of Jack in the Jack spot. Gol Rodger, Whitebeard, Sengoku, and Garp will be Kings and the Queens will be Big Mom, Hancock, Jewelry Bonnie, and Tsaru. Doflamingo and Corazon will be the jokers. I wouldn't be suprised if One Piece playing cards already exists.

There's a OP poker set, a couple of different versions, stumbled onto it while browsing Aliexpress, but I never found any that I liked. Better to wait for most of the characters to get revealed. You can probavly find it on ebay and Amazon as well.

Here's an example, with Wanted posters: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/High-Quality-Anime-One-Piece-Monkey-D-Luffy-Wanted-Collection-Poker-54-pcs-pack-Playing-Board/32514972421.html?spm=2114.01020208.3.37.7VMf3R&ws_ab_test=searchweb201556_7_79_78_77_80,searchweb201644_5,searchweb201560_7

[firelord111]

bonney wanted to join whitebeard pirates to bring whitebeard back to his prime but whitebeard died and she cant achive her goal

[oikgerd]

Chopper, with his fur, will learn electro from minks, because that "electro" is static electricity from mink's fur.