@uniaka:
Sanji has a vivre card from Dragon, that he got from him or ivankov in the 2 years. WG found out about it somehow and want sanji alive and get the vivre card from him.
WG will manage to get their hands on it somehow( maybe cp0 steal it from sanji) and that will lead to a 3 way battle between BB pirates, Revolutionaries and Marines/cp0 at the revolutionaries base.
/Wildguess
How would they know that ?
@uniaka:
They could have spies in the revolutionaries?
Well if they have spies in the revolutionaries, why would they capture Sanji to ask him where the Revolutionary base is ?
Why would Sanji have Dragon's Vivre Card and not Robin, who Dragon actually cares about?
Well if they have spies in the revolutionaries, why would they capture Sanji to ask him where the Revolutionary base is ?
I imagine not every revolutionary knows the base location because it would be easy to leak, maybe only the leaders of revos know the base location. Maybe spies found out that sanji was on ivankov's island for 2 years. maybe one of the okamas that got out of the prison prison with ivankov is a spy and saw dragon or ivnakov give him the card.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I'm having a hard time grasping the correlation you see. So Kaido is on zou(an animal themed island with animal inhabitants), he has an army of animals(zoans) therefore maybe devil fruits originated on zou?
If I understand you I don't think its very likely.
Also, I don't think we are going to be touching on devil fruit origins till we meet vegapunk. Which isn't likely to be this arc imo. Zou is hard to find, doubtful vegapunk would be there. I don't think we will find the origins of devil fruit till devil fruits are properly explained by vegapunk.
Simplified down, my thoughts are this. We have been touching on Devil Fruits for a few arcs now, so we might be learning something new about the fruits this arc leading up to the big reveal about devil fruits in general. In this arc, we are on Zou which is on top of an animal inhabited by animal people. We know that some of Kaidos people are on Zou, which his whole crew is animal based, with one person being called sheep-head. Along with an abnormal tree with a base shaped as a whale, we have animal being screamed in our face. One other thing that came up is the fact that there is the Adam Tree that we don't know the location of. If Adam goes off of Adam and Eve, and the forbidden fruit, that tree could be Adam (I don't remember everything about the tree, or if there is a species of trees called Adam). We could learn that the tree is what gave born to the zoan fruits by the natives and get more details later, or it might be something that comes up later.
Like I said, and as you pointed out, it's not really anything solid to go off of. It's just a thought I had and decided to post about it to see what others think. Until we actually get further into this arc and learn more, I really have nothing to go off of. That's probably why I should've put this in dumb predictions.
@uniaka:
I imagine not every revolutionary knows the base location because it would be easy to leak, maybe only the leaders of revos know the base location. Maybe spies found out that sanji was on ivankov's island for 2 years. maybe one of the okamas that got out of the prison prison with ivankov is a spy and saw dragon or ivnakov give him the card.
The WG could have made a Vive Card of the spy - he would then just go to Baltigo and the WG could trap them.
It would be way easier than having to capture Sanji and hope he still has that Vive Card, wouldn't it ?
The WG could have made a Vive Card of the spy - he would then just go to Baltigo and the WG could trap them.
It would be way easier than having to capture Sanji and hope he still has that Vive Card, wouldn't it ?
That certain spy maybe doesn't have access to baltigo, maybe he's like the ones that take pictures for bounty pictures, not actul revo. Maybe the spy are the actual CP0.
I don't think Sanji was on a top revo leader island for 2 years just for the okama gag. It's too simple to relate him with revolutionaries for Oda not to exploit it at all.
@uniaka:
That certain spy maybe doesn't have access to baltigo, maybe he's like the ones that take pictures for bounty pictures, not actul revo.
If he isn't an important revolutionary (plus he doesn't really have to be "important" to have access to Baltigo, we saw random revolutionaries around Sabo when he was training in chapter 803), then how would he know that Ivankov made a Vive Card for Sanji ?
And why would she even give him a Vive Card ? For which purpose ?
If he isn't an important revolutionary (plus he doesn't really have to be "important" to have access to Baltigo, we saw random revolutionaries around Sabo when he was training in chapter 803), then how would he know that Ivankov made a Vive Card for Sanji ?
And why would she even give him a Vive Card ? For which purpose ?
Ivankov and Sanji had time to ''bond'' in 2 years, it's a lot of time, much more time then Sanji had with the crew pre ts.'' Hey, visit me one day when you get in the new world.'' Maybe Dragon himself visited Ivankov in 2 years and bonded with Sanji and asked him to visit him when he gets in NW. Don't have a clue about actual details since it's still a guess.
As I said, there must more to it in 2 years then '' okama gag''. It's a lot of time in OP, the crew could be less together then that( pre ts plus post ts)
@uniaka:
Ivankov and Sanji had time to ''bond'' in 2 years, it's a lot of time, much more time then Sanji had with the crew pre ts.'' Hey, visit me one day when you get in the new world.'' Maybe Dragon himself visited Ivankov in 2 years and bonded with Sanji and asked him to visit him when he gets in NW. Don't have a clue about actual details since it's still a guess.
As I said, there must more to it in 2 years then '' okama gag''. It's a lot of time in OP, the crew could be less together then that( pre ts plus post ts)
No offence, but this seems like an attempt to give Sanji more importance than he actually has. Robin is the character associated win the Revo's, not Sanji. He has never been hinted to have any relationship with Dragon.
No offence, but this seems like an attempt to give Sanji more importance than he actually has. Robin is the character associated win the Revo's, not Sanji. He has never been hinted to have any relationship with Dragon.
If my attempt was that, then I could just jump in the ''Sanji is a celestial dragon'' bandwagon, ''sanji is son of gorosei''. But the alive only thing could be related to something else entirely.
And his relation with Dragon is a guess, but his relation with a top leader in the revolutionaries is not. That could lead to anything.
Luffy is a Steel/Ground type pokemon, cause he is immune to Poison and Electric attacks lol
Fun but not quite so dumb as to dismiss completely theory:
Recently have been thinking a lot about the Straw Hats various parentage and if it'll play apart in the story.
Dismissed Brook immediately because he's 90 years of age. BUT then realized he's not the oldest person in the book by a long-shot and, just maybe, there's even a hint of a family resemblence there.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/1/1b/Kureha_Anime_Infobox.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20150819163116 And here's Brook back when he was alive:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/8/88/Brook_Alive.png/revision/latest?cb=20130507035559
So what do you think? They even seem to have the same taste in eyewear and clothing (going by Brook's current get-up).
Could this be his long lost parent? Or grand-parent even?
@uniaka:
If my attempt was that, then I could just jump in the ''Sanji is a celestial dragon'' bandwagon, ''sanji is son of gorosei''. But the alive only thing could be related to something else entirely.
And his relation with Dragon is a guess, but his relation with a top leader in the revolutionaries is not. That could lead to anything.
That's probably the most realistic theory I have heard outside of "Sanji is some king of royalty".
Still leaving something to be desired though, clearly.
I'm honestly hoping Oda pulls a fast one on us all.
Fun but not quite so dumb as to dismiss completely theory:
Recently have been thinking a lot about the Straw Hats various parentage and if it'll play apart in the story.
Dismissed Brook immediately because he's 90 years of age. BUT then realized he's not the oldest person in the book by a long-shot and, just maybe, there's even a hint of a family resemblence there.
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/1/1b/Kureha_Anime_Infobox.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20150819163116 And here's Brook back when he was alive:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/8/88/Brook_Alive.png/revision/latest?cb=20130507035559So what do you think? They even seem to have the same taste in eyewear and clothing (going by Brook's current get-up).
Could this be his long lost parent? Or grand-parent even?
If anyone is related to Brook, it is Kuzan. They look suspiciously similar.
If anyone is related to Brook, it is Kuzan. They look suspiciously similar.
Be fun if he was a descendant of Brook (and if the theory about him being Robin's father was true this would make 3 members of the Straw Hats with familial links, which amuses me).
I may have missed it, but has anyone considered the idea that, upon arriving at Baltigo, Blackbeard is going to try and make a deal with Dragon? Or even form an alliance? To what end I'm not sure but I'm not sure about the Blackbeard pirates and Revolutionaries fighting since it feels too early for either group to be beat or take serious damage.
I may have missed it, but has anyone considered the idea that, upon arriving at Baltigo, Blackbeard is going to try and make a deal with Dragon? Or even form an alliance? To what end I'm not sure but I'm not sure about the Blackbeard pirates and Revolutionaries fighting since it feels too early for either group to be beat or take serious damage.
I don't think Dragon would make a deal or alliance with someone like Blackbeard, as much as that will increase his chance to take down the WG. Revolutionaries look like the good guys, and likely the reputation of BB is not a secret at this point.
So, I have seen a lot of jokes regarding Sanji's role since the timeskip and I have a theory about how this might change. I think we are about to have an Arc that is focused on Sanji, and his growth since the timeskip.
So, what has been the purpose of the different arc's since the timeskip?
Fishman island: Introducing the basic's of what the Strawhat's learned during the timeskip. Including Haki.
Punk Hazard/ Dressrosa(i.e Doflamingo Arc): Focus on Law's character, history and abilities. This includes the importance of his devil fruit. Also revealed Luffy's gear 4.
A lot of fan's are unhappy with Sanji's treatment during these two Arc's. The straw hats were vastly stronger than the fishman villains in the fishman island arc and when Sanji had his chances to show off vs. Vergo and Doflamingo, Oda didn't deliver. This is understandable though. Vergo had beef with Law. Law needed to be the one who took Vergo down. Doflamingo was the main boss, i.e Luffy's opponent. Oda used Sanji in both of these situation's to deflect-not defeat- these guys in order to protect weaker characters.
With respect to showing off what Sanji's capable of after the time skip, we still don't know much. The same can actually be said of Zoro as well. Despite him having a bit more glory since the timeskip, Zoro has really not been tested yet. Luffy got the first major reveal in Dressrosa with his gear 4 technique. This makes sense to me. Luffy carries the most load for the straw hats, and facing off against doflamingo would require him to show his hand. I think Oda is going to milk introducing the straw hats new abilities. Oda doesn't want to tip the straw hats hand so quickly. So when will we get to see what Sanji can do?
I think Sanji is up next. I think Oda dropped us a hint when he revealed Sanji's bounty poster. Sanji will play an important role in either this arc or the next, and that would the perfect time to spotlight what Sanji has really learned.
On a related note it's possible this arc would also reveal more history for Sanji. The theory on Sanji being a noble is one I believe is likely. With this being said, this could be an ongoing theme for the new world. Law's history/ abilities were a focal point of the dressrosa arc(Doflamingo). We know the straw hats will end up at wano kuni shortly after Zou, given Kin'emon and Monomonsuke are still in the story. There is also some speculation Zoro may be related to Ryuma, from the wano kingdom. Perhaps Zoro's abilities/ history will be showcased during the Wano arc.
Thus,
1. Doflamingo arc: Law's History/ Abilities( Not a straw hat but a vastly important ally)
2. Zou/ bounty poster arc: Sanji's history/ abilities
3. Wano arc: Zoro's history/ abilities
thoughts?
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
I don't believe that Sanji is a noble, or that Zoro has any relation to Wano other than possessing Shusui. The bounty poster does imply focus will be put on Sanji at some point, but I don't think he's all of a sudden going to be integral to the OP world. As for Zoro, he'll get focused on in Wano, no doubt about that, but I also don't think he's going to turn out to be something awful like the long lost descendant of the Shogun or Ryuma.
I'm also inclined to think at Sanji's bounty will come into play after Zou, and that if a Strawhat gets focused on, it's going to be Chopper. Either that or focus on Law and his crew, particularly Bepo.
I don't believe that Sanji is a noble, or that Zoro has any relation to Wano other than possessing Shusui. The bounty poster does imply focus will be put on Sanji at some point, but I don't think he's all of a sudden going to be integral to the OP world. As for Zoro, he'll get focused on in Wano, no doubt about that, but I also don't think he's going to turn out to be something awful like the long lost descendant of the Shogun or Ryuma.
I'm also inclined to think at Sanji's bounty will come into play after Zou, and that if a Strawhat gets focused on, it's going to be Chopper. Either that or focus on Law and his crew, particularly Bepo.
For sure. I've stated why I believe Sanji may be a world noble, but my opinion could be swayed if another- better- theory is introduced.
I doubt there will be any extra focus on Bepo(besides this being his home island and him likely being part of the fight) but I could be wrong. Bepo just seems too minor atm. Choppers only relevance is being an animal. An arc focusing on chopper would have to relate to medicine imo.
As I said Sanji may not be important this arc, but as soon as we get to why his bounty poster is strange that's when I see Oda having the best opportunity to show what Sanji can do post TS.
Really my theory boils down to Oda revealing the straw hats new abilities slowly, rather than all in one arc. And here are my thoughts as to when that could be.
Kaido is a minkman, hence he's got the title of the strongest creature.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
So, I have seen a lot of jokes regarding Sanji's role since the timeskip and I have a theory about how this might change. I think we are about to have an Arc that is focused on Sanji, and his growth since the timeskip.
So, what has been the purpose of the different arc's since the timeskip?
Fishman island: Introducing the basic's of what the Strawhat's learned during the timeskip. Including Haki.
Punk Hazard/ Dressrosa(i.e Doflamingo Arc): Focus on Law's character, history and abilities. This includes the importance of his devil fruit. Also revealed Luffy's gear 4.
A lot of fan's are unhappy with Sanji's treatment during these two Arc's. The straw hats were vastly stronger than the fishman villains in the fishman island arc and when Sanji had his chances to show off vs. Vergo and Doflamingo, Oda didn't deliver. This is understandable though. Vergo had beef with Law. Law needed to be the one who took Vergo down. Doflamingo was the main boss, i.e Luffy's opponent. Oda used Sanji in both of these situation's to deflect-not defeat- these guys in order to protect weaker characters.
With respect to showing off what Sanji's capable of after the time skip, we still don't know much. The same can actually be said of Zoro as well. Despite him having a bit more glory since the timeskip, Zoro has really not been tested yet. Luffy got the first major reveal in Dressrosa with his gear 4 technique. This makes sense to me. Luffy carries the most load for the straw hats, and facing off against doflamingo would require him to show his hand. I think Oda is going to milk introducing the straw hats new abilities. Oda doesn't want to tip the straw hats hand so quickly. So when will we get to see what Sanji can do?
I think Sanji is up next. I think Oda dropped us a hint when he revealed Sanji's bounty poster. Sanji will play an important role in either this arc or the next, and that would the perfect time to spotlight what Sanji has really learned.
On a related note it's possible this arc would also reveal more history for Sanji. The theory on Sanji being a noble is one I believe is likely. With this being said, this could be an ongoing theme for the new world. Law's history/ abilities were a focal point of the dressrosa arc(Doflamingo). We know the straw hats will end up at wano kuni shortly after Zou, given Kin'emon and Monomonsuke are still in the story. There is also some speculation Zoro may be related to Ryuma, from the wano kingdom. Perhaps Zoro's abilities/ history will be showcased during the Wano arc.
Thus,
1. Doflamingo arc: Law's History/ Abilities( Not a straw hat but a vastly important ally)
2. Zou/ bounty poster arc: Sanji's history/ abilities
3. Wano arc: Zoro's history/ abilitiesthoughts?
I actually think Zou will also focus on their allies too, so far Luffy has 7 captains under him and he will most likely get atleast 16 like Whitebeard had. Perhaps at the end of this arc we will also see the Revolutionary meeting and the whole Blackbeard Crew.
It's possibly Oda could introduce new powers like Usopp's haki in Zou for the Curlybrows, but I don't think this is going to be the defining arc for any of them. I just don't see Sanji being a noble either, this gotta be something else, like Vegapunk wants to study his eyebrowns or something.
Wano will propably be the beginning of long character growth not only for Straw Hats, but Blackbeards too.
@zeff:
Kaido is a minkman, hence he's got the title of the strongest creature.
Could also explain how his men knew about Zou. If the running theory that the samurai are linked to Kaido is also true, this could explain their own interest in Zou.
I may have missed it, but has anyone considered the idea that, upon arriving at Baltigo, Blackbeard is going to try and make a deal with Dragon? Or even form an alliance? To what end I'm not sure but I'm not sure about the Blackbeard pirates and Revolutionaries fighting since it feels too early for either group to be beat or take serious damage.
@uniaka:
I don't think Dragon would make a deal or alliance with someone like Blackbeard, as much as that will increase his chance to take down the WG. Revolutionaries look like the good guys, and likely the reputation of BB is not a secret at this point.
No, I actually thought long ago (and still think, although not as strongly) that the Blackbeard pirates and the revolutionaries would form an alliance, or more specifically, that Teach would work with Dragon, until the World Governments collapsed or close to it, after which he would betray them. That seems to be in Teach's nature given that he's willing to work for/with others until they no longer serve his purposes and he backstabs them (be under Whitebeard until he finds the Darkness fruit, for which he kills Thatch; serve as a Warlord for the WG until the opportune moment to break into Impel Down came and gather crew members).
The battle between Sabo and Burgress on Dressrosa has caused some doubts (although, no more so than Teach's speech at Marineford claiming the world as his own), but that was between subordinates and they still share a common enemy. As you said, neither can really look weak at this moment by suffering a setback, it's too early in the story.
Plus, I can't help but feel something is up with the revolutionaries, even if most of them are good people with good intentions (but hey, so are quite a few marines and world government people). Koloa freaked out when Dragon stated he was going to bring all the revolutionary leaders together again (first time probably since after Marineford), so we have no clue what they are like outside that they can be trouble. And there's still the mystery of Kuma and his decision to completely give up his mind and soul by becoming a cyborg pawn for the World Government. What were his reasons and why did he think it would advance the cause?
I received several pm's that I should post my Becoming the Pirate King: Clarified article here(as discussion material) so i've decided to do that even if it will most likely result in me getting trolled repeatedly. lol. If you have a problem with any of the Wiki quotes, I can provide examples from the manga to back it up.
I think we all know that Luffy will eventually become the Pirate King; If this doesn't happen Oda will have failed us miserably. However, I think a lot of One Piece fans are under a misconception regarding WHAT the Pirate King actually is, and WHY Luffy is the only possible character in all of One Piece who demonstrates all the prerequisites required to become the Pirate King. It's easy to ignore the how and why and settle on the fact that we know it will happen, but I think there are some important points to me made in the analysis of the why's and how's of becoming the pirate king. I will of course support most everything with evidence, but if you believe more is required I will attempt to provide it if possible. Last thing before I begin, remember that it's been 22 years since the world has had a living Pirate King. This is important.
So what is the underlying purpose of this post? What is it necessary to read?
There have been some that claim Luffy doesn't have to "be the strongest pirate alive" in order to be the PK and obtain the OP. I do not believe this to be true. Additionally, I think the assumption that Luffy must prove he is the "strongest pirate alive" would strongly impact how we predict the future of One Piece. Also, understanding this stuff can allow for future assumptions to be made that can help definitively prove some very cool stuff.
Key: PK = Pirate King, OP = One Piece(the treasure)
So, lets begin by asking an uncommon question.
How is the PK explicitly defined in One Piece?
Note I am not asking how someone would become the PK. I am asking what the PK actually is/ what is the essence of being the PK.
The PK has been defined in only 4 ways that I have found.
1. “Pirate King was the title of someone who had everything in this world” -Coby
“The pirate king the king of the sea” - Luffy
“The pirate king is the person with the most freedom on the sea” - Luffy
4. “The pirate king is the strongest pirate alive” - Wiki
note this is stated as fact everywhere on the internet(including the Wiki) yet I could not fine this in the actual manga. If you can find a link, send it.
However, if it was not explicitly stated that's okay too. I believe I can prove it must be true in other ways.
Note that each of these points are formatted in the same style. "The PK is…". This is not giving us any information on what you must do to become the PK, this is defining what "the PK is..". The distinction is important. Also note that Oda has on several occasions actually given us the definition(or how people perceive the definition) of what the PK is.
According to this info we can learn a lot about about what makes the PK, the PK and not -for instance- a Yonkou. "The PK is the king of the sea", almost directly implies that the PK(like a regular King/Monarch), in simple terms, is the supreme power and/or governing entity of the sea. This suggests that the PK-practically speaking- is the most powerful person on the sea and determines the rules(or lack of rules) one must follow when entering his domain. This is similarly echoed when Luffy defined the PK as the person with "the most freedom at sea". This also suggests that others can't force the PK to do anything, and that the PK(at least more so than any other person at sea) has the freedom to do whatever he wants. Both of these prove #4 to be correct logically, even if it wasn't stated in the manga. Only the "strongest pirate alive" would be able to force others to follow his will AND prevent others from imposing their will on him thus limiting his freedom and questioning his role as the supreme power of the sea(A.K.A the king of the sea).
#1 however, has a slightly different ring to it. It suggests that to be the PK an individual would have "obtained everything the world has to offer". This actually refers specifically to the OP, and suggests one would have to obtain the OP to become the PK. Not that Luffy's definition of the PK and Coby's are quite different. I actually think Coby has echoed the common misinterpretation, that a lot of pirates(and real fans) are under. Luffy meanwhile understands the essence of what makes the PK, the PK and for reasons that I will get into later emphasize why this makes him the best candidate to become the future PK.
Keep in mind that I do think Luffy will find the OP and become the PK, but I don't think finding the OP itself defines the PK. Note that there is no definition of the PK regarding conquering the Grand Line, let's get into why that is the case.
How does One Piece explain how Gold Roger earned the title of Pirate King? What exactly did he do to earn that moniker?
Three things have been specifically mentioned.
1. “Wealth. Fame. Power. The man who had achieved everything in life, like none before him, was the Pirate King, Gold Roger” - This translation is the most generally accepted from my research.
Roger never ran from danger, He faced it head on always. This is what made him the Pirate King - Garp
3. And as many are aware, Roger conquered the Grand Line; Which was previously considered to be "impossible" by the general population.
Notice here, that we are explaining what Roger DID, in order to earn the distinction of PK. If Luffy were to become the PK, what you would see here is a list of Luffy's major accomplishments, including(but not limited to) being the first person in history to attempt(and succeed) at breaking into Impel down and being the the first person in history to cause a mass breakout from the prison. Both of these were also considered "impossible" feats. Notice how Roger never accomplished this. If we are correct that Luffy will eventually become the PK, following previously establish logic that one would have to repeat the feats of previous PK's in order to become the new PK, then that would force each successive generation of PK's to accomplish an increasing number of difficult tasks. Thus the next PK after Luffy would ALSO have to break in and break out of impel down to earn the title of PK. Doesn't it seem rediculous to have generations of Pirates attempting this - most likely - irrelevant task? Luffy did this because circumstances determined that's what he would need to do in order to achieve what he wanted(which was save Ace, his brother). This clearly explains the premise of my post.
What made conquering the Grand Line so important for Roger wasn't necessarily the physical act of reaching Raftel, It's that conquering the Grand Line was previously thought to be "impossible" by the general population. This is confirmation of why the PK isn't defined as the person who conquered the Grand Line, but rather defined as the most powerful pirate on the sea, who can not be told what to do. This doesn't mean that the future PK won't conquer the Grand Line, though. It just signifies it isn't necessary to become the PK. Being the strongest pirate on the sea, however, is necessary.
Let's look at what Roger did, in order to be called the PK and what they all have in common. #1 says that Roger obtained pretty much everything important you could obtain, "unlike anyone before him". #2 emphasizes that Roger was not afraid of anything, and wouldn't let anyone prevent him from doing as he wished, even if it meant putting his life on the line. It also suggests that Roger was most probably in -almost- constant danger(much like Luffy) and most likely accomplished a huge number of amazing feats along his way to becoming the PK. The commonality between all these reasons is that Roger, in a number of situations, made the "impossible", possible. The key point i'm trying to make is that the PK is not akin to turning super saiyan in DBZ, it's not an ability but rather a TITLE or moniker. You can not bestow this title on yourself, and force it to be true(See: Luffy). The people of the world are the ones who can give, or take away the title. This is why the public perception of your greatness is vital to becoming the PK. To be the PK, the vast majority must believe you to be the strongest and greatest pirate alive.
So in simplest terms, how did Roger become the PK, and what would future PK's have to do?
1. He accomplished a staggering number of impressive, and even "impossible" feats. And did this because of his reckless, fearlessness.
2. This increased his overal Legacy, which is mostly determined by what other's think of you.
3. He was never defeated, and could be considered the strongest pirate of the time because of it.
You should notice quite a strong correlation to Luffy.
This is the take home message:
The new PK does not absolutely(necessarily) have to accomplish the feats of previous PK's. The defining attribute that determines whether someone can become the PK- isn't what he does- It's whether or not he has the power and gall to impress the world in such a manner that he earns the unquestionable distinction of being the strongest and greatest pirate alive in the minds of the people of the world.
All this info has significance because it supports the idea that Luffy HAS TO be the strongest pirate(or at the very least undefeatable), to be considered - unquestionably- the PK by everyone. Ultimately, this is why I don't think Shanks will survive seeing Luffy become the PK. In order to become the PK, Luffy would have to defeat Shanks. This would be problematic because Luffy's defining attribute related to his strength is hisunlimited Will, and not his actual ability. His will also changes in relation to his desire to succeed. I don't think Luffy's desire to beat Shanks would be on the same lvl as his desire to defeat Blackbeard(potentially after BB has killed shanks). Yet, I also believe Luffy would require that kind of will to defeat shanks in a serious fight. Therefore, Luffy would lose… and fail to become the PK. Shanks has got to go, imo. 
Why this means the OP is ALSO not necessarily req to become the PK.
This is similar to the misconception that a pirate must conquer the grand line in order to become the PK. I don’t believe someone absolutely has to find the OP to become the PK(although Luffy will undoubtably do this before he is crowned the pirate king). This is true for the very same reasons as i’ve mentioned earlier.
“But JoyBoy, it’s stated repeatedly in the manga that you must find the OP to be the PK, so your rediculously long post is trash” - Random forum member
In my opinion I do not believe that’s what they meant when they said that. Even if they did imply that obtaining the OP would result in becoming the PK it’s probably under the assumption that he who finds the OP WOULD be the strongest person on the sea and have deemed themselves worthy of both the OP and continuing Rogers legacy as the new PK.
First I will explain the misconception regarding the common phrase, “I am going to become the PK and find the OP”. Luffy in particular says this A LOT, but I think he understands that finding the OP and becoming the PK are not the same.
Here are the reasons:
1. If you read closely into Gold Rogers execution speech, he does not say that the person who finds the OP will become the PK. In fact, he doesn’t say PK at all. He just tells the world that if they “want to find his treasure, it is found in that place”.
He says nothing about earning the title of PK. Roger wasn’t trying to set the rules one must follow to become his successor as PK. imo, his goal was to inspire a new generation of pirates so that another may discover the truths of the world as he and his crew did. The reason that finding the OP and becoming the PK are commonly misinterpreted as the same thing is because characters who desire one almost definitely desire the other. “Dreamers”- or OP seekers- almost always have a very deep respect for Roger and dream of following in his footsteps. The reason for this can vary, but the result is always the same; They must become the PK. Some desire the wealth that they imagine the OP would bring, and these people usually desire the fame associated with being recognized as the PK. Others- like luffy- are interested in the OP, not for the wealth it is supposed to contain, but rather the adventure and mystery associated with the search for it. And for Luffy, becoming the PK has more to do with his desire for absolute freedom and nothing to do with the fame being the PK would give him. It’s this last example that you can really see how the two objectives are different. Luffy desires the OP and being the PK for different reasons. When he says he’s going to become the PK AND find the OP, you could interpret that he is saying, “I dream to undergo the worlds most AMAZING adventure, AND want the freedom to do as I want.” The “and” is important. I don’t believe Luffy believes finding the OP will make him the PK, and given this clarification there would then be little proof that someone is required to find the OP to become the PK.
For example, if a random person were to stumble on the OP(if it was just treasure as many seem to think), that would not make them the PK imo. This is emphasized by Luffy when he said, “learning about it(the OP) from someone else would defeat the purpose of their adventures and that becoming the Pirate King would have little merit if he already knew about the One Piece.”- wiki
This is the most definitive proof of what i’m trying to convey. The “Journey” for the OP is just as important - if not more important - than the OP itself.
Why finding the OP and becoming the PK are also the same thing:
I want to clarify at this point that I DO think Luffy will find the OP and conquer the sea, and that this might cement his legacy and allow him to be considered the PK by the world. I can already imagine forum member who got tired of reading raging in the comment section that i’m an idiot to think Luffy won’t find the OP etc. LOLZ. That’s not what i’m saying. Even though I believe conquering the sea and finding the OP are not NECESSARY to be called the King of the pirates, accomplishing these tasks would both contribute to building the legacy required to be the PK.
Oda has made that an easy assumption because both of the tasks are extremely difficult, and considered extremely difficult verging on impossible by many(Bellamy smh). The search for the OP, in particular, has been attempted by an uncountable number of poor souls and many of them are now dead because of it. Thus, the person who accomplishes one or both would be considered doer’s of the “impossible”, and earn a tremendous amount of respect from the people of One Piece.
However, Oda wouldn’t just just let someone randomly find the OP. This is why raftel(or some other island that is “impossible” to find/ stumble upon is the perfect place to hide the OP. It’s even possible that the OP may not be something that can just be picked up in one place but, rather, must be found in bits all throughout the world in order to ensure that only those who are looking for it will find it. This would suggest, again, finding the OP is meaningless without the journey itself, and I believe the journey itself is what Roger was trying to inspire.
The OP can only be “found by those who are worthy enough to reach it.”-wiki
I'll leave this here. This could potentially be the start of a series of theories that's final goal is to almost definitely prove that we already know the answers to some of these questions(with evidence):
1. What Roger's will is.
2. What the Will of D. is
3. What the OP is
4. Why Luffy is, specifically, the only person who has what it takes to to be the PK and begin the "new age"
Among other interesting things.
I'll judge the response I get to this to see if it's worth my time.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
I'll bite. Roger was seen as the Pirate King as he sailed to the last island on the Grand Line, but also likely because he was indeed the strongest man alive in his time. For someone else to become Pirate King, repeating his feat of sailing to Rafteal would be the clincher.
Personally, I feel that there will be a dispute of it, however, between Luffy, holder of Roger's treasure, and Blackbeard, who I'm imagining will find a way to recover Pluton from there. On one hand, you have the man who has Roger's treasure, on the other, you have a guy with a WMD.
@S.C.:
I'll bite. Roger was seen as the Pirate King as he sailed to the last island on the Grand Line, but also likely because he was indeed the strongest man alive in his time. For someone else to become Pirate King, repeating his feat of sailing to Raftal would be the clincher.
So, I agree. But as I said, I don't think you "have to" do anything in particular. Oda has made sure though, that accomplishing those tasks will be the final reason Luffy ultimately becomes the PK. Oda could have easily made conquering the Grand line(which I assume is the same as finding Raftel) a common occurrence after Roger did it, but Oda didn't. Pretty much proof(if we needed any more) that Luffy's going to do it.
Personally, I feel that there will be a dispute of it, however, between Luffy, holder of Roger's treasure, and Blackbeard, who I'm imagining will find a way to recover Pluton from there. On one hand, you have the man who has Roger's treasure, on the other, you have a guy with a WMD.
That would be fascinating. Personally, I don't believe BB is even capable of finding the OP(as I could go into depth about later) so it would be interesting if he does end up finding some sort of weapon or ancient some thing or other.
My personal belief about Pluton though is that Luffy already possesses it(The Sunny). So that would leave BB with Uranus… possibly.
My problem with this is BB doesn't seem interested in the Poneglyphs so it would be hard for him to know what he has found.
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
With respect to showing off what Sanji's capable of after the time skip, we still don't know much. The same can actually be said of Zoro as well. Despite him having a bit more glory since the timeskip, Zoro has really not been tested yet. Luffy got the first major reveal in Dressrosa with his gear 4 technique. This makes sense to me. Luffy carries the most load for the straw hats, and facing off against doflamingo would require him to show his hand. I think Oda is going to milk introducing the straw hats new abilities. Oda doesn't want to tip the straw hats hand so quickly. So when will we get to see what Sanji can do?
I think Sanji is up next. I think Oda dropped us a hint when he revealed Sanji's bounty poster. Sanji will play an important role in either this arc or the next, and that would the perfect time to spotlight what Sanji has really learned.
I disagree, because from what I see Sanji was rather showing limits of his training on Punk Hazard &Dressrosa. I mean he had to stand up against likes of Vergo and Doflamingo, yet against one he got his leg cracked and against Doflamingo he was about to get killed. Sure, he might have a technique he haven't revealed yet, but when it comes to Vergo and Doflamingo they were hiding far more under thair sleeves than just a technique or two. Vergo didn't use his armaments haki vs Sanji(neither on hit which cracked Sanji's bone) and Doflamingo just used few techniques to defeat him. I think that Sanji was legitimately beign shat on starting with Punk Hazard. such as not beign able to break a steel door which Franky easily destroyed, using DJ against fodders, idk maybe there were more scenes but I don't recall at the moment. The only excuse I see for him is that his body might have been severely damaged while Nami was inside of it, but it doesn't chance fact that he've been pretty damn underwhelming against the big names we've seen so far. I mean not that he's been shown as weaker, but that he took major damage from both Vergo and Doflamingo and it was a clear sign that he wouldn't even last long in a fight against them. At least that's what I think.
I really hope that all of this is buildup for Sanji to undergo a major powerup or set up for a new course of training for him. Otherwise I fear that he'll drop out of monster trio soon if this list of udnerwhelming feats continues to add up. Getting defeated by Jack also another thing to add in the list as soon as we see the flashback of him getting defeated. Damn, Sanji is my favourite character in OP, I really wish for him to get way stronger.
I disagree, because from what I see Sanji was rather showing limits of his training on Punk Hazard &Dressrosa. I mean he had to stand up against likes of Vergo and Doflamingo, yet against one he got his leg cracked and against Doflamingo he was about to get killed. Sure, he might have a technique he haven't revealed yet, but when it comes to Vergo and Doflamingo they were hiding far more under thair sleeves than just a technique or two. Vergo didn't use his armaments haki vs Sanji(neither on hit which cracked Sanji's bone) and Doflamingo just used few techniques to defeat him. I think that Sanji was legitimately beign shat on starting with Punk Hazard. such as not beign able to break a steel door which Franky easily destroyed, using DJ against fodders, idk maybe there were more scenes but I don't recall at the moment. The only excuse I see for him is that his body might have been severely damaged while Nami was inside of it, but it doesn't chance fact that he've been pretty damn underwhelming against the big names we've seen so far. I mean not that he's been shown as weaker, but that he took major damage from both Vergo and Doflamingo and it was a clear sign that he wouldn't even last long in a fight against them. At least that's what I think.
I think it's safe to say Doflamingo was out of his league regardless. I thought Vergo did use armament haki? I'll check that later, but I can't say anything for sure lol
Sanji's battles with these guys were just too short for Oda to want to waste a major reveal on what he can do, imo.
What steel door? I can't remember when that happened.
Its not typical of Oda to purposefully make a character look bad. Heck, he's stated Usopp will always be the weakest character and yet gives him a tremendous amount of glory. I see it being unlikely Oda has a grudge on Sanji.
I really hope that all of this is buildup for Sanji to undergo a major powerup or set up for a new course of training for him. Otherwise I fear that he'll drop out of monster trio soon if this list of udnerwhelming feats continues to add up. Getting defeated by Jack also another thing to add in the list as soon as we see the flashback of him getting defeated. Damn, Sanji is my favourite character in OP, I really wish for him to get way stronger.
I don't think Sanji was defeated by Jack but we should find out soon enough! The reveal will come, I have no doubt!
"If I get reincarnated…. I wanna become a clam."
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
My personal belief about Pluton though is that Luffy already possesses it(The Sunny). So that would leave BB with Uranus… possibly.
That's hillarious, but the original Pluton is hidden beneath Alabasta, which implies that Gedatsu will find it at some point while digging with the Earth Boss (the Giant Mole from his cover story). Also considering the 2 out 3 weapons are in a countries that are friends with Straw Hats, it's more than likely the last one will also be in a country whose leaders will befriend them.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
I think it's safe to say Doflamingo was out of his league regardless.
He should still be capable to at least hold his own against characters of his level of power, otherwise this is what we see… Half of SH crew are said to be killed on Zou island. At least the monster trio should be capable to hold their own vs admiral level opponent, otherwise stuff like that is just going to keep happening. Zoro already managed to cross swords with Fujitora and he didn't show signs of impending defeat. When the crew is about to clash with yonkous I don't see it as acceptable that Sanji would be that much weaker than likes of Doflamingo.
That's hillarious, but the original Pluton is hidden beneath Alabasta, which implies that Gedatsu will find it at some point while digging with the Earth Boss (the Giant Mole from his cover story). Also considering the 2 out 3 weapons are in a countries that are friends with Straw Hats, it's more than likely the last one will also be in a country whose leaders will befriend them.
Of course, its not set in stone. However, there is a couple reasons I think this.
1. I believe the SH's will eventually acquire all the ancient weapons. If you read my post about what the Pirate King is, I could eventually spend some time proving that this is the case with little doubt.
2. I don't think the Straw hats would ever willingly part with the sunny, even for a "better ship" as Ussop clearly shows us when the Going Merry was on it's last leg. So, unless the sunny also gets destroyed, the SH's would never abandon it. I highly doubt they would switch ships at the last minute(in the story) because the ship has been implied to be a crew member. Therefore, like every member, the crew and the ship must share many voyages before the end.
3. They already have the person with knowledge of the blueprints on their crew, and he actually built the Sunny. He also used the rare and powerful Adam's wood.
4. Gold Roger was stated to have found the location of at least one of the ancient weapons, and his ship was also built by the man with knowledge of the pluton blue prints.
4.5. I expect that Gold Roger was actively looking for the ancient weapons to, perhaps, use them at some point before he realized he didn't have enough time to do what he wanted. It would make sense that he would have searched out the person with knowledge of how to build pluton, and asked him to build it for him. We know he had serious interests in the poneglyphs. That would have made the Oro Jackson pluton as well. Luffy ultimately will carry out Rogers will, and therefore has to have Pluton at some point. If you read my post on explaining the Pirate King, and express your desire to exactly why I think this about Roger, I will continue the series of articles to full explain.
5. Given that the blue prints of pluton were so heavily fought after in Water 7, I think Oda was telling us it had to actually be built, not found. Also, it seems unlikely a ship would survive, and still be useful after 900 years regardless of it's quality.
6. Also, the Sunny has proven to be an awesome, one of a kind ship like none other in One Piece. There are some things that it does that are so incredible it likely to go down in history, after the Straw Hats change the world and Luffy becomes the Pirate King.
So given it would have to be built, and the SH's likely won't have time to build the ship at any point in the near future, I think it's likely it's already built. Since I don't think it can be found already made(if it's not the Sunny) and that the SH would abandon the Sunny, I think it's likely they already possess it.
what was in alabasta was the poigne griffe with the location of pluton,not the weapon itself..crocodile THOUGHT it was in alabasta,but we didn't had any confimration toehr than the fact that the poignee griffe indeed pointed the location…but let's remember that the poignee griffe with the location of poseidon was in jaya/upper yard
what was in alabasta was the poigne griffe with the location of pluton,not the weapon itself..crocodile THOUGHT it was in alabasta,but we didn't had any confimration toehr than the fact that the poignee griffe indeed pointed the location…but let's remember that the poignee griffe with the location of poseidon was in jaya/upper yard
Do you mean ' poneglyph'?
Did The Elephant Zoe undergo the Immortality Surgery …
@Theor:
Did The Elephant Zoe undergo the Immortality Surgery …
Nah, it's just that in One Piece size equals longevity.
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
Nah, it's just that in One Piece size equals longevity.
Except when concerning the Doctorine, Kureha:ninja:
I'm not sure is this theory is already there.. but maybe Weevil is real son of WB, and Lola and Bonney are his Sisters, i know here are like 4 theories together, but is something it came to my mind
Post Merge is something….
Spoiler:
magical
I'm not sure is this theory is already there.. but maybe Weevil is real son of WB, and Lola and Bonney are his Sisters, i know here are like 4 theories together, but is something it came to my mind
well,it's definitely possible he really is his son,not because of what his mom says,but because kizaru remarked how similiar their strenght is..it can be a coincidence ,but still,that is more of a deciding factor thhan his or his mother appearance…newgate was a pirate..he was just one frunk night from knocking some girl..the beer googles did the rest..also knowing oda,is possible that madame bakkin was gorgeous when younger,like kokoro
Nah, it's just that in One Piece size equals longevity.
actually,even in real life big creature tends to live longer..even though it's probably based on heart rate more than size..and i suppose that ages pass between every "pump" of zhou's art,since blood has to travel for literal miles
(I don't know if this should be posted on the Cover Story Thread or on this one, or if it has been posted before)
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We can see a sign on which is written "Tsuru" and, strangely enough, there's even a flamingo (reference to Doflamingo ?).
Sanji's suitcase reads "The Secret", and the number "1830" can be seen.
Is this foreshadowing anything, or is it just a coincidence ? I'm not sure but I think that a cover picture has already foreshadowed something in the past (could be my mind playing tricks on me, though).
source : http://www.onepiecelovers.com/sanji-and-the-secret-theory/2/2/
Hahaha! That would be quite the epic foreshadowing. Though that bird isn't flamingo….it's a tsuru! YOHOHOHO!
That chapter title though...Sanji at tea party foreshadowing 
Sanji's suitcase reads "The Secret", and the number "1830" can be seen.
Oda planing something 16 years in advance? Sure, why not? Oda planning what happens in specific chapter 16 years in advance? You might be overestimating him a little.
I'm not sure but I think that a cover picture has already foreshadowed something in the past (could be my mind playing tricks on me, though).
This is the only example I remember:
All hail Machvise-sama, Arlong Park Character Tournament 2016 Champion!
Oda planing something 16 years in advance? Sure, why not? Oda planning what happens in specific chapter 16 years in advance? You might be overestimating him a little.
What about the Gear 2/3 and Gear 4 chapters ? The number of the chapters where both techniques were introduced are the same for both. 
He could have simply predicted that if this plot was going to come back someday, it would be around that chapter… Now you can counter that by saying that he wasn't planning One Piece to be this long.
meh whatever, the number isn't really the main thing this theory is based on, just a small (insignificant?) detail >> you must be right.
Maybe Tsuru used her powers on a young Sanji.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
According to this info we can learn a lot about about what makes the PK, the PK and not -for instance- a Yonkou. "The PK is the king of the sea", almost directly implies that the PK(like a regular King/Monarch), in simple terms, is the supreme power and/or governing entity of the sea. This suggests that the PK-practically speaking- is the most powerful person on the sea and determines the rules(or lack of rules) one must follow when entering his domain. This is similarly echoed when Luffy defined the PK as the person with "the most freedom at sea". This also suggests that others can't force the PK to do anything, and that the PK(at least more so than any other person at sea) has the freedom to do whatever he wants. Both of these prove #4 to be correct logically, even if it wasn't stated in the manga. Only the "strongest pirate alive" would be able to force others to follow his will AND prevent others from imposing their will on him thus limiting his freedom and questioning his role as the supreme power of the sea(A.K.A the king of the sea).
The PK is not someone that can impose worldwide rules as an ultimate, almighty king. Proof is, even after Gol D. Roger became PK, the WG still existed and functioned as it always did. Now the times have changed, and since we - readers - are witnesses of the corrupted power of the WG, we can pretty much deduce that this force will be abolished in a near future, and probably when Luffy becomes PK. Now, will he be the supreme leader of the world ? Not quite sure. Luffy wouldn't be able to hold these responsibilities, and ruling - alone - on the entire world is, firstly, an utopia, and, secondly, against his principles.
Now some theories assume that Luffy's real dream is to create a giant and free kingdom in which he would be the pacific ruler.
It's a popular Japanese theory, and I haven't found any English version of it yet, but here are some the japanese links :
! Konoha - and all the ninja villages - at the end of the story, so basically no villains, no crime
,so the Marine force wouldn't even have to exist because the world would be entirely peaceful, with all the different species living together, etc.
A PK is indeed someone that doesn't bend under any rules, but that's not unique to the PK and applies to the 4 Emperors / Wano samurai too (it was mentioned in the manga that the WG never interferes with the Wa no country, which implies that their laws don't apply there either).
Basically a free man, acknowledged by everyone as the Pirate King.
Being PK could allow you to do certain things, because of the power that you would have obtained to get to that level, but it's not because you're PK that you instantly become powerful and able to fix rules that the entire world would bow down to.
According to several theories, Luffy would destroy the WG thanks to the One Piece and the Rio Poneglyph, both linked to the Void Century, but I'm done with the off topic (for now !), let's move on.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
Keep in mind that I do think Luffy will find the OP and become the PK, but I don't think finding the OP itself defines the PK.
I think it does. Simply because when you've conquered the Grand Line (reached Raftel), you've found the One Piece, so when you've found the One Piece, you've conquered the Grand Line and become Pirate King (if the One Piece is indeed on Raftel, which hasn't been proved yet)
**@Joy_Boy's_Will:
How does One Piece explain how Gold Roger earned the title of Pirate King? What exactly did he do to earn that moniker?
Three things have been specifically mentioned.
1. “Wealth. Fame. Power. The man who had achieved everything in life, like none before him, was the Pirate King, Gold Roger” - This translation is the most generally accepted from my research.Roger never ran from danger, He faced it head on always. This is what made him the Pirate King - Garp
3. And as many are aware, Roger conquered the Grand Line; Which was previously considered to be "impossible" by the general population.
Notice here, that we are explaining what Roger DID, in order to earn the distinction of PK. If Luffy were to become the PK, what you would see here is a list of Luffy's major accomplishments, including(but not limited to) being the first person in history to attempt(and succeed) at breaking into Impel down and being the the first person in history to cause a mass breakout from the prison. Both of these were also considered "impossible" feats. Notice how Roger never accomplished this. If we are correct that Luffy will eventually become the PK, following previously establish logic that one would have to repeat the feats of previous PK's in order to become the new PK, then that would force each successive generation of PK's to accomplish an increasing number of difficult tasks. Thus the next PK after Luffy would ALSO have to break in and break out of impel down to earn the title of PK. Doesn't it seem rediculous to have generations of Pirates attempting this - most likely - irrelevant task? Luffy did this because circumstances determined that's what he would need to do in order to achieve what he wanted(which was save Ace, his brother). This clearly explains the premise of my post.
No ; the Pirate King is the one that conquers Grand Line, that's all. Why would the (eventual) future PK have to escape ID and accomplish every single crazy things Luffy's done ? I don't get it. That's just part of what he did to get there, but the way you've become PK doesn't matter at all. The only thing that counts is the result.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
What made conquering the Grand Line so important for Roger wasn't necessarily the physical act of reaching Raftel, It's that conquering the Grand Line was previously thought to be "impossible" by the general population. This is confirmation of why the PK isn't defined as the person who conquered the Grand Line, but rather defined as the most powerful pirate on the sea, who can not be told what to do. This doesn't mean that the future PK won't conquer the Grand Line, though. It just signifies it isn't necessary to become the PK. Being the strongest pirate on the sea, however, is necessary.
Or having the strongest (= not only for the power, but the influence that it spreads) crew / fleet. Not sure Roger could one o' one every single pirate out there at that time.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
3. He was never defeated, and could be considered the strongest pirate of the time because of it.
Never mentioned in the manga…
Luffy was defeated several times. Sabaody, Impel Down, Marine Ford... Even Alabasta / W7 / TB if you consider his first fights against the main villains as real fights. You can be defeated, but as long as you come back stronger.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
All this info has significance because it supports the idea that Luffy HAS TO be the strongest pirate(or at the very least undefeatable), to be considered - unquestionably- the PK by everyone. Ultimately, this is why I don't think Shanks will survive seeing Luffy become the PK. In order to become the PK, Luffy would have to defeat Shanks. This would be problematic because Luffy's defining attribute related to his strength is his unlimited Will, and not his actual ability. His will also changes in relation to his desire to succeed. I don't think Luffy's desire to beat Shanks would be on the same lvl as his desire to defeat Blackbeard(potentially after BB has killed shanks). Yet, I also believe Luffy would require that kind of will to defeat shanks in a serious fight. Therefore, Luffy would lose… and fail to become the PK. Shanks has got to go, imo.
Or… Luffy could simply defeat the person that would have defeated Shanks.
2 coins on Black Beard.
All the Emperors have to go :
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Now will Luffy take them all down ? He would defeat Shanks if he had to, but if Shanks was to be beaten before, that fight would never have place (cf. debate w/Robby).
note : there's a theory saying that Shanks was a mastermind all along, and uses Luffy to achieve a personal goal. If it was the case, then a fight between those two could happen.
source (in French) : http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/42-33661-38935661-1-0-1-0-spoilers-shanks-mastermind-de-l-ombre-v2.html
(an official French TV channel even posted that theory on their website) : http://www.mcm.fr/one-piece-le-complot-de-shanks-theorie-a399676.html
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
“But JoyBoy, it’s stated repeatedly in the manga that you must find the OP to be the PK, so your ridiculously long post is trash” - Random forum member
** note ** : I blocked on that sentence, thinking that you were referring to the real Joy Boy, before realizing that it was your nickname…
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
In my opinion I do not believe that’s what they meant when they said that. Even if they did imply that obtaining the OP would result in becoming the PK it’s probably under the assumption that he who finds the OP WOULD be the strongest person on the sea and have deemed themselves worthy of both the OP and continuing Rogers legacy as the new PK.
First I will explain the misconception regarding the common phrase, “I am going to become the PK and find the OP”. Luffy in particular says this A LOT, but I think he understands that finding the OP and becoming the PK are not the same.
Here are the reasons:
1. If you read closely into Gold Rogers execution speech, he does not say that the person who finds the OP will become the PK. In fact, he doesn’t say PK at all. He just tells the world that if they “want to find his treasure, it is found in that place”.He says nothing about earning the title of PK. Roger wasn’t trying to set the rules one must follow to become his successor as PK. imo, his goal was to inspire a new generation of pirates so that another may discover the truths of the world as he and his crew did. The reason that finding the OP and becoming the PK are commonly misinterpreted as the same thing is because characters who desire one almost definitely desire the other. “Dreamers”- or OP seekers- almost always have a very deep respect for Roger and dream of following in his footsteps. The reason for this can vary, but the result is always the same; They must become the PK. Some desire the wealth that they imagine the OP would bring, and these people usually desire the fame associated with being recognized as the PK. Others- like luffy- are interested in the OP, not for the wealth it is supposed to contain, but rather the adventure and mystery associated with the search for it. And for Luffy, becoming the PK has more to do with his desire for absolute freedom and nothing to do with the fame being the PK would give him. It’s this last example that you can really see how the two objectives are different. Luffy desires the OP and being the PK for different reasons. When he says he’s going to become the PK AND find the OP, you could interpret that he is saying, “I dream to undergo the worlds most AMAZING adventure, AND want the freedom to do as I want.” The “and” is important. I don’t believe Luffy believes finding the OP will make him the PK, and given this clarification there would then be little proof that someone is required to find the OP to become the PK.
(My treasure ? Why, it's right where I left it… It's yours if you can find it... But you'll have to search the whole world !)
Gol D. Roger didn't mention becoming Pirate King because it wasn't yet defined as such. Later on, people assumed that the Pirate King would be the one to find the One Piece because he would have "searched the whole world" (thus, conquered it) and that would put him above all the other pirates, who wouldn't have accomplished that feat {this is considering that a big majority of the pirates are after the One Piece}
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
For example, if a random person were to stumble on the OP(if it was just treasure as many seem to think), that would not make them the PK imo. This is emphasized by Luffy when he said, “learning about it(the OP) from someone else would defeat the purpose of their adventures and that becoming the Pirate King would have little merit if he already knew about the One Piece.”- wiki
This is the most definitive proof of what i’m trying to convey. The “Journey” for the OP is just as important - if not more important - than the OP itself.
"A random person" can't "stumble" on the One Piece though >> it could only be someone powerful enough to do it. And power = potential danger = high bounty = fame.
"The journey for the OP is important […]" for Luffy. That's his way of seeing things, but clearly not everybody's.
@Joy_Boy's_Will:
[…]but, rather, must be found in bits all throughout the world in order to ensure that only those who are looking for it will find it.
If it was the case, the Straw Hats would have probably found at least pieces of it.
And what if a random character found it randomly and decided to keep it ? Meh.
The only things related to the One Piece and Raftel that has to be found "in bits" throughout the world are the poneglyphs, imo (which are things that one can not transport nor destroy)
–- And I've replied to all the points that I disagreed with. Good job writing that theory.**
