I like how China censored all internet links to that of one of the most widely known countries in the world.
Totaly nothing suspicious at all.
I like how China censored all internet links to that of one of the most widely known countries in the world.
Totaly nothing suspicious at all.
China: Egypt??? What's that I've never heard of this Egypt you speak of???
tanks stop infront of guy
I found it quite repelling a while back when I saw an interview with a few chinese people saying they didn't find much information on the internet
about lung cancer.
I think a bit of me died when I heard that.
edit: the BBC/CNN couldn't even check wikipedia to see the name of our president when Bush came around for a visit and instead merged the last names of the president and prime minister together so I realy don't see that as too much of a shock.
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For real? It's so hard to make a quick search about Egypt? Fox News' reporters were pretty stupid.
They're going to be feeling the embarrassment pretty soon.
Points to my previous post.
@No:
edit: the BBC/CNN couldn't even check wikipedia to see the name of our president when Bush came around for a visit and instead merged the last names of the president and prime minister together so I realy don't see that as too much of a shock.
Persons come and go. And there's billions of them and they all have their own name. Not knowing where Egypt is after is has been in the same place for 5000 years is a whole different level of ignorance.
Well yes, but since the whole visit was planned for months in advance and the man himself is internationaly known, that was just someone not doing what they were paid to do.
Thanks for turning this into a "complain about Czech Republic news accuracy" topic No Maam. That's definitely what we all want to talk about.
Now bounce your Bohemian ass out of here or start talking about Arabia.
I simply wanted to say that Fox is not the only station managed by circus apes.
Though it is the most prominent.
"BBC Arabic reports that a new govt in Egypt will be announced soon"
via @SultanAlQassemi
Moon, your picture got mubarak'd.
Yeah horrible pun I know.
damn them fuckers, don't you try censor me.
back to Egypt now plz
This'll be a mass anti-dictatorship revolt sooner or later. Here's hoping (holy shit, China… blocking info on diseases? Screw you, seriously. :/).
I've signed the petition, don't know what good it'll do, but hopefully enough voices from around the world will make this nutjob in Egypt pay his dues and GTFO of office.
Good luck to the people who are in these countries.
AFP says the death toll from five days of protests has reached 102.
AP and Al Jazeera report that 19 private jets carrying families of wealthy businessmen have left Cairo for Dubai.
Writing below the line, @Kritik has alerted us to
of Waseem Wagdi, an Egyptian living in London, talking about the recent events during a protest outside the Egyptian embassy.Here's an updated version of our gallery of images from today's protests.
Reuters has a Q&A on what might happen next**:**
! > Will the appointment of a vice-president end the unrest?
Mubarak's decision to pick Suleiman gave a clear indication that the Egyptian leader understands the magnitude of the social and political upheaval that has gripped his country.
Five days of unrest have forced Mubarak to make the long-delayed move of picking a deputy, signalling that his days in power may be numbered and that he may not run in a presidential election scheduled for September.
With protests keeping the momentum and his army and police failing to quell running battles in the streets, the pressure seems to have grown on the 82-old president from allies and aides to prepare for a transition.
Mubarak's legitimacy has all but evaporated under the overwhelming unrest in which 74 people have been killed and more than 2,000 injured.
It has also diminished the probability that he or his son Gamal, who has been lined up as a possible contender, would run in this year's presidential election.
"Mubarak has been damaged. I can't see how this is not the beginning of the end of Mubarak's presidency," said Jon Alterman, Director of the Middle East Programme for the Center of International Studies.
"It seems that his task now is to try and manage the transition past his leadership. I have a hard time believing that he will be the president in a year."
So far protesters responded to the announcement by stepping up anti-government demonstrators.
Witnesses reported seeing looters ransacking and setting public buildings on fire. Nothing less than Mubarak stepping down can quell the unrest, some said.
"The story of Gamal and Mubarak is over. Now, the regime is looking for who will rescue it. Mubarak, Omar Suleiman and Ahmed Shafiq know each other on a personal level," said Safwat Zayat, a military analyst.
"Their task in the coming months would be to ensure Mubarak's safety until the end of his reign. They will reorganise the regime's internal affairs."
What might happen on the streets?
The army has deployed tanks and troops alongside police forces but has so far refrained from using force.
Security forces however have warned that they could resort to tougher measures to impose order.
They said that those arrested carrying out acts of vandalism would be tried in military court.
Is this the beginning of the end for Mubarak?
The revolt is the most serious challenge to the Egyptian government since the 1952 coup that ended monarchy and inaugurated a procession of military strongmen.
It has shaken the government to its core, sent shock waves across the Middle East and alarmed Western and regional allies.
Mubarak's nomination of an influential military figure with strong diplomatic credentials as his possible successor speaks volumes about the authorities' resolve to ensure that power stays in the hands of military and security institutions.
Mubarak also secured the much-needed support from the army.
"Mubarak is gone, because of his illness, because of his age and because of what happened now in Egypt," said Bassma Kodmani, the head of Arab Reform initiative.
"This man will be gone by September 2011. He is not an option and everyone knows that and his inner circle knows that.
"Mubarak is buying time. He needs to buy time to provide the needed minimum stability and control of the country to allow for an orderly transition."
What did he learn from Tunisia?
Neither Mubarak nor his close aides, including Suleiman, want to see a Tunisia-style exit.
When Tunisian President Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali appeared on television after weeks of rioting, those watching the address said fear appeared to be his dominant emotion.
When Mubarak appeared on TV on Friday, the contrast could not be greater. His was a poised and confident performance. Yet, it did little to calm tens of thousands of protesters.
Seeking to avoid appearing weak, Mubarak delivered a tough message and showed his resolve to stay in power.
The message involved giving the military full control and acknowledging people's economic frustrations, as well as promises to help the poor and introduce political reform.
"Ben Ali made concessions and a day later he was out of the country. He didn't want to make the same mistakes. The regime has broader support than Ben Ali had in the last days," said Alterman.
"The military in Tunisia not only didn't defend the president but they helped push him out of the country. In Egypt, the military rather than push Mubarak is his next line of defence," he said.
"The appointment of Omar Suleiman is intended to send a message that if Hosni Mubarak leaves, the regime remains in place. It is not intended to mollify (the protesters). It is intended to show resolve." Reuters reports that police shot dead 17 people trying to attack two police stations in Beni Suef governorate, according to witnesses and medical sources. Twelve of those shot were attempting to attack a police station in Biba while five others were trying to attack another in Nasser city. Dozens of others were injured in the exchanges.
Hyperallergic.com has stills from Al Jazeera's video of the damage at the Egyptian museum in Cairo.
more here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/29/egypt-protests-government-live-blog
This'll be a mass anti-dictatorship revolt sooner or later.
That depends on Egypt now. If the Egyptians oust Mubarak, 2011 will become the Arabs 1848. With consequences so big that they exceed our momentary judgment of good or bad. Not every revolution has to win to make an impact but they are too small until now. It needs one more push and that is Egypt. 1848 revolutions in Europe fueled nationalism that lead into two World Wars. But in the end they paved the way for the first prolonged time of peace Europe has seen since the Roman Empire was at it's height. Mid and long time results of potential Arabian revolutions are written in the stars.
You probably already know this, but here's some on-the-ground testimony:
The headquarter's building is still on fire, and not a single fire truck has come near it to try and put it out.
The interviewer thinks this is deliberate to justify violence.
EDIT: I think I heard that Tunisia's banking system in 'back in business'.
I don't know what that means, that's just what I heard.
NDP source says Omar Sulaiman VP appointment should be seen as first step for transfer of power. #Jan28 #Egypt
My wonderful wife has handed out baseball bats, clubs, kitchen knives and tea to neighbourhood patrol. <– Ben Wedeman from CNN.
Protesters threw stones at riot police trying to enter the square, according to Associated Press. Officers responded with a barrage of teargas and rubber bullets.
justified violence. suuuure.
I agree with JERK regarding the discovery that the looters are police officers. It's disturbing, but good news to me; I'd started worrying about whether protestors were getting out of control. Looks like it's the police officers trying to create a violent atmosphere and justify using violence on the protests.
Right now, the main protests seem to be at:
1. Tahrir Square near the Interior Ministry (where several people were killed when the protestors tried to storm the building and bodies were carried out in a stunning funeral-like procession)
2. the centre of Alexandria (pro-army slogans, shaking hands with soldiers)
3. in Ishmalia (teargas and rubber bullets at crowds), and
4. in central areas of Suez (about 100 in front of the morgue, which is said to hold the bodies of 12 protestors).
EDIT:
Phonecall: Egyptians have uncountable cell phone videos, photos. Expect unprecedented flood when internet is up.#Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt #Jan29 <– I can't wait.
Most of Heliopolis is now being policed by youth with makeshift weapons and all apts have lights on for visibility #jan25 #egypt #jan28
Roadblock call, contd. Military on large streets, but stretched thin in Heliopolis. "Where we come in" Sense of camaraderie. #Jan25 #Egypt <– seems like the military and the youth protestors are really working together, which is fantastic.
That depends on Egypt now. If the Egyptians oust Mubarak, 2011 will become the Arabs 1848. With consequences so big that they exceed our momentary judgment of good or bad. Not every revolution has to win to make an impact but they are too small until now. It needs one more push and that is Egypt. 1848 revolutions in Europe fueled nationalism that lead into two World Wars. But in the end they paved the way for the first prolonged time of peace Europe has seen since the Roman Empire was at it's height. Mid and long time results of potential Arabian revolutions are written in the stars.
I'd say the Arab World already had it's 1848 revolutions. Back during the decades right as Colonialism was dissolving. When new ideas were everywhere, and nationalism was HUGE.
And ironically it was Egypt who was at the forefront of that with Nasser and his victory with the Suez crisis.
What we're seeing now is a revolt against the crippled ugly elderly remains of that period, Arabs wanting finally a new try, a stab, in a sense of rejuvenating what originally made the dictators attractive relative to the colonial powers and their lapdog leaders.
Nasser was as much a dictator as Mubarak but he was beloved and really a man of the people, a real idealist. Mubarak is just a despot, plain and simple.
What this is, is a generational shift.
This is Arabia's 1960's. What the west had then.
We had a huge population of youths who rebelled against old orders and cultures, sure few of them were dealing with dictatorships (Latin Americans were) but they overthrew decades of repressed social moors. The west's modern existence with secularity, women's rights, sexual freedom, youth culture, and in places like the US racial rights all came from this era.
Right now the Arab youth are hungry for their vision of what can happen. Not grandpa Nasser and his living memories in the form of Ben Ali's, Gaddafis, and Mubaraks. Not Iran's strategic visions, not the US's strategic visions, and certainly not Israel's.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm sort of jealous of Tigerlilly, Bar Kuma, etc ahahahahaha. How amazing, a touchstone generation.
Which sadly is why we shouldn't be too caught up on this spreading to EVERY place with an authoritarian government.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0a/Median_age.png
Look at this. It shows the countries with young populations.
Belarus? Not happening probably.
Vietnam? Not happening (sorry Sea).
Look though, Central Asia….intriguing.
Also young, also filled with nasty authoritarian governments.
Kyrgyzstan had a Tunisia style revolution a year or so ago.
Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan.....they could maybe do something...
Didn't the Kyrgystani people protest intensively against the government like twice since the "revolution" ?
They ran out one president who started doing skeavy shit, then this recent revolution threw out the guy who replaced him for doing the same.
You know, even though the curent president did away with most of the wacky shit, stil it would be interesting if this would come to Turkmenistan.
Niyazov's death realy deprived us of the last remaining batshit crazy dictator. Sure the president of equatorial guinea had the radio anounce he can kill anyone without going to hell , but that does not top renaming bread after your mother.
But Uzbekistan…...nasty. I saw this documentary and they apear to be realy nasty towards people who have any sort of religious leanings at all. They imprisoned people for reading the Quran in their homes, to themselves.
oh, Japan, you lonely, perverse, sex-starved, blue country in the distance
Wow, reading through this thread has been wonderful stuff…it's really too bad I couldn't be here as all this was unfolding.
Some of the comments have been really touching also, the one about the Coptic church praying for protesters, or the students giving the policeman his helmet back.
I really really hope that if Mubarak doesn't just get replaced by another dictator, or an islamist-style government, if he does indeed leave.
@dirt:
oh, Japan, you lonely, perverse, sex-starved, blue country in the distance
You know, we have the same problem here in Canada, what with the 'baby boomer' age retiring en masse.
We like immigrants though, Japan doesn't seem so keen on that idea.
@No:
Niyazov's death realy deprived us of the last remaining batshit crazy dictator.
Al-Jazeera: it's been reported by many many eyewitnesses that it's ordinary people catching and stopping looters.
Six thousand inmates in Cairo escaped after guards fled.
Ahmad Ezz, a close confidante of Gamal, has quit politics amid unrest.
President Barak Obama insisted that Egyptian people should decide their own future.
EDIT:
[US] State department report on Egypt:
Police and the SSIS reportedly employed torture methods such as stripping and blindfolding victims; suspending victims by the wrists and ankles in contorted positions or from a ceiling or door frame with feet just touching the floor; beating victims… dousing victims with cold water; sleep deprivation; and sexual abuse including sodomy.
– from Al-Jazeera live.
Reminds me of an excerpt from a link I posted a few pages ago:
Egypt is one of the countries where the US would ship prisoners to have them beaten, electrocuted, and raped by the Egyptian police for years, as a means of interrogation. (Abu Omar and Ahmed Osman Saleh are two of the best-known cases.) Indeed, its reputation for torture was so well established that it was the first US ally selected for this “extraordinary rendition” program.
The Egyptian police are famous for their lack of controls. Last year, Khaled Said was sitting in an internet café; a couple of policemen came in and demanded to see everyone’s ID, which is against Egyptian law. He refused, so they dragged him outside, beat him to death, and dumped his body in the street.
I think this should be posted again.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-hosni-mubarak-power
The situation is even more complex for Washington's other allies in the region, such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. In all those countries ordinary people have watched agog at the protests and then taken to the streets in varying degrees to try to kickstart their own protests. Leaders may have to walk the same tightrope Mubarak is trying to walk: balancing promises of reform with keeping control.
@Trapped: Yeah, that's why we hate our last two administrations. One started the torture, the other won't really do anything about it (or at least hasn't done too much about it).*
*This is REALLY oversimplifying.
@Chrissie: Whistles
Makes me wonder what the MidEast is going to be like when the last domino finally topples.
The extremely interesting thing about Egypt is how major it is. Tunisia is a small and insignificant player in that region.
Egypt is massive, well guarded and founded.
If Mubarak falls honestly all bets are off for what other countries will experience.
People will be knowing protesting gets them what they want with practically any leader.
This isn't just any old domino here.
Just popping in to say this revolution in Egypt is absolutely extraordinary. My thoughts are with the Egyptian people as they endeavor to create a new and fair government as well as those who have suffered and died for this cause.
#Egyptian women announcing: they will lead the demo today as men were protecting them at night and need to rest #Egypt #Jan25 <– WOOHOO!
DailyNewsEgypt Latest. According to eyewitnesses, a car driven by policemen threw out a corpse near the Mounira police station.
The corpse has been lying for about an hour in front of Mounira police station for about an hour. Residents have covered it with a blanket.
[The police here are just… ugh.]
edit: Reports of some gathering beginning in Tahrir Square #Jan25 #Jan28 #Egypt
EDIT: Heard a helicopter circling the sky twice in last 30 mins #Jan25 Egypt
Some pictures are out here. Some of those I found especially inspiring:
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Lovely. Just lovely.
Amazing pictures.
Apparently even police defers from one place to another. In some places police have actually joined the protest and are against the regime.
There is still some good in some people.
Also expect more people to come out later on the day.
Did I just hear the BBC right?
Al Jazeera was ordered to shut down in Egypt?
Yeah thats true, The Egyptian government ordered them to leave and hand over their certifications.
Don't be surprised, they've been cutting off transmission from channels on Nile-sat (like Aljazeera Live). Aljazeera also reported on their website that their was some attempts to hack their site from different places.
Front cover of Sunday's The Independent:
Just wonderful.
Also, the Al-Jazeera Cairo office has been closed down altogether.
Eyewitnesses say state sponsoring vandalism http://ow.ly/3MIn1 #Jan25 #Egypt #Mubarak
#egypt miliitary reeinforcmeents across city. Slightly diff (eerie) attitude bw military & citizens 2day, less amicable #jan25 (via phone)
I'm hearing the protests today will start after noon prayer with the funerals, that's in one hour #Jan25 Egypt
Many in Cairo reporting what activists there have been telling me: attitudes towards army are getting frostier as secret police run rampant
army was saluting volunteer protection groups on the street, saying proud of them #jan25
#egypt heavier military presence, some roads blocked by tanks. No handshakes bw miitiary & ppl, no citizens sitting on tanks today #jan 25
So I'm not sure how things will go with the military today.
Man, I really hope that there'll be some major progress soon. The current state of anarchy can't be good for anyone, especially for those injured in the riots…
Muslim Brotherhood leaders Mohamed Morsi and Issam El Eryan freed from jail, they are on their cellphones live on #AlJazeera #Jan25 #Egypt
MB Official to Al Jazeera: There was fire in the jail, they didn't care about us, there was no food, tear gas was fired at us, we were stuck
Zahi Hawwas (supreme council of antiquities): the Cairo Museum is now safe. #egypt #jan25
Yes, Al Jazeera is still broadcasting live despite apparent shutdown order. No one knows who would enforce it. #jan25
Some notes on what I've seen so far: Absolutely no police presence on the streets. Army is out in downtown Cairo, so far nonviolent. #jan25
Indeed, several intersections in downtown Cairo were being directed by civilians yesterday when I arrived. #jan25
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Al Jazeera: AFP: tens of corpses line the road heading to Abu Zaabal prison (Earlier reports were: 8 killed & 123 wounded in clashes)
Sources tell us military now in streets of Sharm el Sheikh! This can’t happen w’out Israel approval under terms of Camp David accords #Jan25
Also reports of new prison break at Wadi Natrun #Egypt 5000 escapees. Still confirming but had 2 similar reports. Prison guards fled #Jan 25
Apparently, the military's started doing something. They're stopping every protestor at Tahrir Square and searching them before letting them in.
You know I just love AlJazeera, in my opinion it's the last beacon of televised journalistic prowess. I hope their journalists stay save.
Al Jazeera Arabic and Al Jazeera English have just been taken off air in #Egypt (via phone)
Its journalists are still tweeting, though. You can watch the tweets here: http://twitter.com/ajenglish/egyptprotests
Aljazeera: Skirmishes between protesters and security forces near the headquarters of the National Party in Assiut Governorate, Upper Egypt
–Mohhamad Al-Mursi (MB) say that the people liberated 34 of the group from prison, saying they did not flee.
He also said that they will discuss what their next move will be and call Aljazeera later.
11.03am: 34 members of the Muslim Brotherhood, including seven leaders, have escaped from prison, according to Reuters.
Relatives stormed the prison in Wadi el-Natroun, 120 km (80 miles) northwest of Cairo, and set free several thousand of the inmates, Brotherhood office manager Mohamed Osama told Reuters. No one was hurt, he added.
An Observer Q&A on the protests has this background on the Muslim Brotherhood.
At the moment, the Muslim Brotherhood is playing catch-up with a young, leaderless protest movement. But chaos always opens opportunities and years of oppression by the government has angered and frustrated ordinary people. The brotherhood has enormous support among the poor, encouraged by the network of charities it runs. Observers have been debating the sincerity of the brotherhood's apparent moves towards real political reform, and point to its inability to directly challenge Mubarak's government.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2011/jan/30/egypt-protests-live-updates
The site is missing with me..
lol Aljazeera just released new frequencies on Nile-sat: (10949V, SR:27500, FEC:3/4)
AJELive 150 protesters killed, 4000 injured in #Egypt protests. Stay with #Al Jazeera's uncensored coverage http://aje.me/ajelive
Aljazeera: The say the Ex-interior minister Habbeb Alaadle was able to escape from the interior ministry building in the middle of heavy shooting.