Chapter 605: "The Kraken and the Pirates"

[Bulletproof]

@Maki707:

Maybe he will now fight the other 6 SH's now that the monster trio are gone?

I can't see how people still think he'll attack them, even more now that they are already 7000 meters underwater… theres freaking huge monsters around that could crush the ship easily, with them there he may survive till F.I, with them out, who will control the ship, defend it and do everything necessary to avoid death?
Oda already showed he isn't that stupid more then once, so i believe if he try to do anything, it's not going to happen now.

[Technique]

Three thousand meters to go, getting closer to fishman island.

[Daddy]

@Technique:

Three thousand meters to go, getting closer to fishman island.

This means only 12 more chapters to go!

Can't wait.

[mcdreamy]

Every time Luffy has used gear 3 he's only used one breath to blow himself up, so maybe people are just over estimating how much air he needs for gear 3 because his arm becomes huge. And since we can't actually see the amount of air he uses because air is invisble we can only guess.

[parklane21]

Luffy may have blown seawater instead of air to his arm or Haki can also create air. Hahaha. Honestly, this hole is very hard to defend without being very ridiculous.

[IrishLuigi]

whar teh fuk did ruffy get the air FROM??????????? omg omgomg the whoile of oneP is ruined!!!!!!! did he use haki or haki or for water???? but they are stuopid!!! omg this is worserer than mr.pell!!!

[Sabo]

@IrishLuigi:

whar teh fuk did ruffy get the air FROM??????????? omg omgomg the whoile of oneP is ruined!!!!!!! did he use haki or haki or for water???? but they are stuopid!!! omg this is worserer than mr.pell!!!

Nice attempt to be funny.

Good effort poor execution.

[IrishLuigi]

I am not clever enough to act dumb enough.

[Sabo]

@IrishLuigi:

I am not clever enough to act dumb enough.

I like how this comment made me laugh more then your previous attempt to be funny

I prefer your non-trollish ways

[Hisoga]

@Urouge:

I suppose the key difference, to me, is that in Luffy's case no air is lost. He blows some air into his arm (presumably), and then it goes right back after he's done. With the coup de burst, that air is never coming back.

oh yeah.. forgot about that.. thank you sir..

[GomuGomuNOJetPistol]

Shark? what is the importance of that shark?
Oda would not show him for no apparent reason.

[Kami_Sama]

I hope we get to Fishman Island before New Year's

[HikaruYami]

@Daddy:

This means only 12 more chapters to go!

Can't wait.

To be fair, we've only had 8 chapters since the skip. We're already closer than I expected, albeit with a diversion. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the two groups makes it there by the end of the year, and we get a 2-page spread of first impression of fishman island as the last two pages of the last chapter of the year with a DON!

[Pacer]

during my finals, one piece is the only delight i let myself have….the next 3 chapters better be mind blowing or ima cry while i study

[HikaruYami]

@Pacer:

during my finals, one piece is the only delight i let myself have….the next 3 chapters better be mind blowing or ima cry while i study

Luckily I only have one final this term…. But I have a shit-ton of homework and projects due right up until the last day of classes next week TT_TT So for me, it's the next 2 chapters that I need to amaze me....

[Zignoff]

A lot of threads here to dig through on this, but wanted to point out if anyone else noticed that along with Gear 3rd's increase sized, if also anyone noticed that luffy did not chibified after using it like he usually does…

[Reyairia]

A lot of people noticed that, actually.

[HikaruYami]

@Reyairia:

A lot of people noticed that, actually.

^this, and also the increased size is probably nothing to think about, since Oda is bad with size ratios.

[Louis cypher]

@HikaruYami:

^this, and also the increased size is probably nothing to think about, since Oda is bad with size ratios.

Really, really bad with size ratios.

[Reyairia]

@Louis:

Really, really bad with size ratios.

Just awful.
Especially with large characters like giants.

[Mr. Sandman]

@Reyairia:

Just awful.
Especially with large characters like giants.

Easily forgivable due to the quality of story and character development.

[zuppamann]

@LuffyLuffyNoMi:

Since some readers are too lazy to think that what Oda showed wasn't actually that wrong… some explanation from me. Take it or not, after this post, I'm through any of the fan forums discussing about OP chapters and episodes:

Luffy using his DF powers under water:

! If you think DF powers won't work in general under water you're reading the wrong manga for some time now. This has been cleared since Luffy's head was streched out of the water in Arlong Park…
! If you think DF users are losing all their strength when they're only partially in the water you're reading the wrong manga, too. Oda explained it in the SBS that it depends on how much the DF user is covered with water and how much water is around the user. The more he's covered the more he's gonna lose his strength, so DF users still may have showers and even take baths if they don't go diving to play submarine... They're still able to move and to use their abilities unless they're not covered by half of their body.

It makes sense, but now explain me about Agalmatolite and how a small stone on Smoker's sword can nullify DF abilities in all user's body…

Probably Agalmatolite is a concentrate of see water (like 100.000 M3 of water in 3 cm)

[EdwardTeach]

get to fishman island already :/
get there before leaving 2010

[Kishido]

Well one quick question cuz I haven't much time the next days… Was the Hardening really a mistranslation and it is Vulcanization?

Sorry if I missed that and the stuff is already cleared but that would explain the black color

[HikaruYami]

@KiShiDo:

Well one quick question cuz I haven't much time the next days… Was the Hardening really a mistranslation and it is Vulcanization?

Sorry if I missed that and the stuff is already cleared but that would explain the black color

Yeah, there's a pretty strong consensus that it should have been vulcanization.

[Darkstorm]

Not that strong.

It's been mentioned that there's a specific kanji for vulcanisation that wasn't used here.

Plus of course vulcanisation being a one way process and all.

Unless somone like aohige or stephen has confirmed and I missed it?

[LuffyLuffyNoMi]

@HikaruYami:

Yeah, there's a pretty strong consensus that it should have been vulcanization.

By who? 硬化 - kôka means hardening. Vulcanization is 加硫 - karyû. Luffy says "Busôshoku Kôka"… :blink:

See yourselves:

!

[HikaruYami]

@Darkstorm:

Not that strong.

It's been mentioned that there's a specific kanji for vulcanisation that wasn't used here.

Plus of course vulcanisation being a one way process and all.

Unless somone like aohige or stephen has confirmed and I missed it?

By wikipedia (a mixture of Japanese and English). The exact kanji are used for the "curing" of substances, which is also called vulcanization when it applies to rubber. Ridiculously strong evidence; no, it is not an exact translation, however, based on the aesthetics, I think it's the most faithful. An exact translation would, instead, be "curing." That doesn't sound threatening.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A1%AC%E5%8C%96

Click the English button in the bottom left if you want proof. This was originally proposed by Kiavik, and quite frankly, he's OBVIOUSLY correct.

Also, for people who care THAT MUCH about consistency, I think I have an answer about Luffy's underwater Gear3:

He's beginning to gain control of his nervous system to the extent of Mr. Fantastic, such that he is literally in charge of how much individual parts of his body are constricting or not (whereas before, he had to force his bones to stretch). The fact that Gear2 is even possible is further evidence of this approach.

Also, it would trivially follow the already-proven-possible-in-this-universe method of fighting utilizing Biofeedback, such as Kumadori using his hair. The reason he still needs to blow air into his thumb at ALL is because that makes it easier to get the limb expansion started in the first place, using the principles behind inertia. Without haki, this form wouldn't be maintainable long enough to land a punch, but if he instantly vulcanizes his fist at its peak expansion (despite it being mostly vacuum), he can maintain the form indefinitely.

Then, when he lets Gear3 off, he again uses a basic level of biofeedback to force his form to stay balanced at normal size, instead of going chibi.

But again, Oda probably doesn't care. However, I believe this answer is consistent with what we know about the OP world.

[Darkstorm]

But as I said(and LuffyLuffyNoMi showed) there is a specific word for it, and given that oda didn't bother to use it, I don't think he wants us to think it's actual vulcanisation(which it's not obviously, otherwise Luffy would have a black arm for the rest of the series). Inspired by it, yes. MS should stick with hardening or somesuch.

[Maki707]

@Darkstorm:

Not that strong.

It's been mentioned that there's a specific kanji for vulcanisation that wasn't used here.

Plus of course vulcanisation being a one way process and all.

Unless somone like aohige or stephen has confirmed and I missed it?

Well the user is blue. Up to you wheter or not you trust it
[hide]http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=2011428#post2011428[/hide]

[OneManCollectiblez]

@HikaruYami:

By wikipedia (a mixture of Japanese and English). The exact kanji are used for the "curing" of substances, which is also called vulcanization when it applies to rubber. Ridiculously strong evidence; no, it is not an exact translation, however, based on the aesthetics, I think it's the most faithful. An exact translation would, instead, be "curing." That doesn't sound threatening.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A1%AC%E5%8C%96

Click the English button in the bottom left if you want proof. This was originally proposed by Kiavik, and quite frankly, he's OBVIOUSLY correct.

Also, for people who care THAT MUCH about consistency, I think I have an answer about Luffy's underwater Gear3:

He's beginning to gain control of his nervous system to the extent of Mr. Fantastic, such that he is literally in charge of how much individual parts of his body are constricting or not (whereas before, he had to force his bones to stretch). The fact that Gear2 is even possible is further evidence of this approach.

Also, it would trivially follow the already-proven-possible-in-this-universe method of fighting utilizing Biofeedback, such as Kumadori using his hair. The reason he still needs to blow air into his thumb at ALL is because that makes it easier to get the limb expansion started in the first place, using the principles behind inertia. Without haki, this form wouldn't be maintainable long enough to land a punch, but if he instantly vulcanizes his fist at its peak expansion (despite it being mostly vacuum), he can maintain the form indefinitely.

Then, when he lets Gear3 off, he again uses a basic level of biofeedback to force his form to stay balanced at normal size, instead of going chibi.

But again, Oda probably doesn't care. However, I believe this answer is consistent with what we know about the OP world.

Luffy is making a hole in his finger. than puts the Hand outside the bubble. Than Expanding his arm so WATER would be sucked in. Thisway he wont be floating up and he does not use his air inside his bubble. His body is not more than half under water (so he can still use his DF powe. It shows luffy is losing his power also (due to water contact). Than add COA to it. Hit the fkn Kraken. Release all the water by shrinking his arm. And there you have it

[HikaruYami]

@Darkstorm:

But as I said(and LuffyLuffyNoMi showed) there is a specific word for it, and given that oda didn't bother to use it, I don't think he wants us to think it's actual vulcanisation(which it's not obviously, otherwise Luffy would have a black arm for the rest of the series). Inspired by it, yes. MS should stick with hardening or somesuch.

And I'm telling YOU, this appears to be a technical term that when referring to rubber, literally means the exact same fucking thing. I just checked, and it's on the Japanese wikipedia page, too (a link to the vulcanization article when referring to rubber, that is). In order to convey the process that Oda is calling it, saying curing or vulcanization is more correct.

It is not hardening in the general sense, it is hardening through the actual process of curing a material.

[Thatanas]

What is this vulcanization people are talking about? Think i missed all about it previously?

[HikaruYami]

@Thatanas:

What is this vulcanization people are talking about? Think i missed all about it previously?

Kiavik came in and noted that when referring to rubber, the kanji that Mangastream translated to "Hardening" for Luffy's gear3 attack can actually be construed as "vulcanization." Based on the fact that his arm turned black, this seems quite logical.

[Kira_]

@Thatanas:

What is this vulcanization people are talking about? Think i missed all about it previously?

Try ask aunt wiki

[Darkstorm]

@HikaruYami:

And I'm telling YOU, this appears to be a technical term that when referring to rubber, literally means the exact same fucking thing. I just checked, and it's on the Japanese wikipedia page, too (a link to the vulcanization article when referring to rubber, that is). In order to convey the process that Oda is calling it, saying curing or vulcanization is more correct.

It is not hardening in the general sense, it is hardening through the actual process of curing a material.

Yes?

I'm just pointing out that oda apparently didn't want to use the word vulcanisation himself.

[HikaruYami]

@Darkstorm:

Yes?

I'm just pointing out that oda apparently didn't want to use the word vulcanisation himself.

On rubber.

It means the same thing. Literally.

And it's probably something a bunch of 13-year-old-boys have heard before. I doubt they've heard the exact term for vulcanization before, or at least that they remember it.

I genuinely believe that vulcanization is the most faithful translation. Conveys all of the intent AND all of the awesome-soundingness.

[Gladiator777]

@Darkstorm:

otherwise Luffy would have a black arm for the rest of the series

Devulcanization Exists though.

[LuffyLuffyNoMi]

Would you really think Luffy would name an attack preparation scientifically correct? C'mon, he does say "Gear 3 Hone Fuusen" (Bone Balloon) and not "Gear 3 Hone Mizumashi" (Bone Inflation)…

He's simpleminded, so "hardening" is much closer since his hand got harder...

[Darkstorm]

@Gladiator777:

Devulcanization Exists though.

Yes, that process would be quite…interesting to try on a living person.

@LuffyLuffyNoMi:

Would you really think Luffy would name an attack preparation scientifically correct? C'mon, he does say "Gear 3 Hone Fuusen" (Bone Balloon) and not "Gear 3 Hone Mizumashi" (Bone Inflation)…

He's simpleminded, so "hardening" is much closer since his hand got harder...

heh

much better point then mine.

[Oksa]

@Gladiator777:

Devulcanization Exists though.

But it's not working yet. That's why I don't like the idea of vulcanization used.

Not that vulcanization could even happen just like that.

[HikaruYami]

@LuffyLuffyNoMi:

Would you really think Luffy would name an attack preparation scientifically correct? C'mon, he does say "Gear 3 Hone Fuusen" (Bone Balloon) and not "Gear 3 Hone Mizumashi" (Bone Inflation)…

He's simpleminded, so "hardening" is much closer since his hand got harder...

=.=" Well, I have to admit, this is the strongest and only legitimate argument I have heard yet for leaving it as hardening. I will hold to my opinion that vulcanization is a better way to translate it, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with what you just said, so I will back out now.

Edit: however, your point is only further evidence that the process Luffy is going through is supposed to be hyper-fast temporary vulcanization, since the people saying "why didn't Oda use that" can be shot down by this quote, as well ;P

[Gladiator777]

@Darkstorm:

Yes, that process would be quite…interesting to try on a living person.

haha, i See what you mean, but a living person we are talking about is a RubberMan….and im not gonna say this is just a Manga. cause even Logic works in OP world.

Oh damn, i don't want to imagin how Franky was able to put light on his nipples, Sht it creeps me out, Did he used Razorblades to open them and-..huuuhuuuuu Thats madness !

[Darkstorm]

Franky's front is metal.

Remember his fight with nero.

[Castelmore]

Seriously who gives a fuck if it's truly vulcanization or not? He hardened his arm and it became black, be it vulcanization or not.

@Darkstorm:

Franky's front is metal.

Remember his fight with nero.

Even his nipples are metal? o_o

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Darkstorm:

I'm just pointing out that oda apparently didn't want to use the word vulcanisation himself.

Maybe he didnt want to use the exact scientific term, because unlike real vulcanisated rubber Luffy is still able to turn his bodypart back to "normal" rubber. By using the not so clear term which is a mix out of vulcanisation and hardening Oda maybe shows that we have to see it more as a mix of those two states, because real vulcanisation he normally couldnt use because it would be permanent.

[Darkstorm]

@Castelmore:

Even his nipples are metal? o_o

Well, he didn't seem worried about them getting shot in the Enies Lobby.

@Don:

Maybe he didnt want to use the exact scientific term, because unlike real vulcanisated rubber Luffy is still able to turn his bodypart back to "normal" rubber. By using the not so clear term which is a mix out of vulcanisation and hardening Oda maybe shows that we have to see it more as a mix of those two states, because real vulcanisation he normally couldnt use because it would be permanent.

This was my thinking, yes.

But I like LuffyLuffyNoMi's point much more.

[Gladiator777]

Since its about translation, then no need for More disscussion about it. it will be explained later as well as The Gear 2nd's Control and not shrinking after Using Gear 3rd.

Now that i think about it, The Crew are still a long way to reach FI, Cause they still have to go throught the Underwater Hole in the Red Line.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Gladiator777:

Now that i think about it, The Crew are still a long way to reach FI, Cause they still have to go throught the Underwater Hole in the Red Line.

In the hole the island is located.

[Darkstorm]

They still have to find the three stooges.