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      Well, it looks better than Cars 2 anyway . . .

      And the first Cars has the benefit of being more charming the more you watch it.

      Never found that to be the.case though as has already been noted it was better than the 2nd movie.

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      I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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        I think that's more of the sequel sucking, but the movies themselves will never be as good as the first after Paul Newman passed.

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          Cars 2 is out to generally positive reviews. As expected, the film has a more mature and grounded tone that people like, but opinion is split on whether those themes go far enough to succeed. Guess I'll decide that for myself when I see it next Tuesday.

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            Cars 2 is out to generally positive reviews. As expected, the film has a more mature and grounded tone that people like, but opinion is split on whether those themes go far enough to succeed. Guess I'll decide that for myself when I see it next Tuesday.

            They made a new version of Cars 2 that doesn't suck ass?

            Well shit.

            Originally Posted by Ubiq

            I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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              They made a new version of Cars 2 that doesn't suck ass?

              Well shit.

              New version? I didn't know they made another Cars movie after the first.

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                New version? I didn't know they made another Cars movie after the first.

                Guess you know what's up.

                Originally Posted by Ubiq

                I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                  @Kaido:

                  Cars 2 is out to generally positive reviews.

                  Your definition of generally positive seems a bit different from mine.

                  Complicating things since 2009.

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                    It's always fun to look up movies you loved years ago and still love today and see RT has taken a complete dump on them.

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                      They like Rocky 4 more than Rocky 3…....why?

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                      I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                        @Green_vs_Red:

                        They like Rocky 4 more than Rocky 3…....why?

                        They don't though? Rocky 3 is at 63%. Rocky 4 is at 39%. Rocky 5 is at 28%.

                        6 was a bit of redemption at 76%.

                        7 was the actually good again spinoff thats even better rated than the first, at 95%. Though the first is at 93%.

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                          Cars 3 was good. I liked it alot actually because of the generational story shared between the Hudson, Lightning, and Cruz. It wasn't all about being the fastest. It was an unexpectedly sweet story.

                          Definitely better than Cars 2 but that's not saying much. I give it a 7/10.

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                            That sounds about the same as the first Cars.

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                              I thoroughly enjoyed Cars 3. I didn't expect a Cars movie of all Pixar things to give me the feels, but this one did, somehow. I guess it has to do with me; I was a little kid when the first Cars came out and so was hit by all the mania, and now as I graduate from high school this movie comes out, which deals pretty heavily with growing, fading, and watching the new generation take your place. As I begin the next stage of my life, it feels refreshing to see characters I grew up with also take this step.

                              Also, I loved the scene where Lightning went on a tangent about how he raced for the thrill of it and not for merchandising, because of how overt of a creator's tangent it was. Just replace Lightning with the Pixar guys going "We're not making this for the toys! We're making it to make a good movie!" and it fits right in to hilarious results. I mean, Cars 3 is a good movie, but it's still funny.

                              I honestly didn't know if I would like the movie at first, because the first act goes by at such breakneck speed (ha!). It was pretty much entirely devoted to plot without much character focus at all, with a liking for revealing plot points through news broadcasts. I was wondering whether I would find any enjoyment out of the movie, but thankfully it slows down after that and everything is wrapped up pretty nicely. A lot of it came down to new character Cruz, and luckily the film manages to develop her enough to make the final act (which she's heavily involved in) work pretty well. She could have been fleshed out more, and some of her earliest scenes don't have too much effect due to the initial breakneck pace, but she does work.

                              Also, the film does a pretty good job of towing Mater the Cable Guy out of the spotlight, and not mentioning Cars 2 altogether, which is a wise move. He's not completely out of the movie, but is only in a minor role and even proves to be of help at one point.

                              Some reviews I saw complained that the Doc Hudson/Paul Newman flashbacks felt tacked on, and I didn't really feel that way. This film does a pretty good job of addressing the parallels between his and Lightning's falls from stardom. My least favorite parts of the flashbacks were that he felt really one-note in them, but they don't appear too often and the film doesn't end up becoming a Paul Newman tribute film. Also, some people pointed out that Jackson Storm was one-note, which he was, but after seeing the movie I think he works in that capacity. I do wish, though, that not all the next-generation racers were so cold.

                              So yeah, I quite liked this. However, if you didn't find the first Cars movie particularly charming or nostalgic, then you probably won't like this movie as much as I do. It's definitely nothing groundbreaking, but it has heart, and in this instance that's all I needed.

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                                Some Incredibles 2 news.

                                http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/07/14/the-incredibles-2-takes-place-immediately-after-the-first-film

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                                  A part of me was expecting the sequel to take place a decade later, but as continuing right off of the first movie's not-so cliffhanger? Damn. That's a good choice for an actions set piece intro. I still think there might be a chance for a timeskip though. It seems like a bit of a wasted opportunity to not see a grown up Jack Jack.

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                                  "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                    Jack Jack is a deus ex machina because the ammount of powers he has, or a 2 minute talk of how "babies just lose powers as their personality becomes defined". Jack Jack had all of these powers because "babies represent infinite potential".

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                                      Hrm, if they're not timeskipping then they're gonna have to recast Dash, I suppose.

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                                        How come nobody told me about this:

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                                          Probably because almost no one here owns record players or any of those album those covers are apparently copied off of.

                                          Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                          I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                            I thoroughly enjoyed Cars 3.

                                            You mean Cars 2? Yes, today I was in Cars… 2 and enjoyed it, too! And yeah, whatever made you think of that higher number, it totally has no raison d'être at all...

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                                              Spoiler:

                                              "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                Damn that baby is OP.

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                                                  This Superpower Genetics need an explanation.

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                                                    @KageKageKing:

                                                    This Superpower Genetics need an explanation.

                                                    lol I was just thinking the same thing. First as a joke, but then it became a legitimate question in my mind. Do all the Supers have one specific hereditary gene like the Mutants in X-Men that separate them from normal humans? Powers don't seem to be passed down with shared traits at all, it's completely random. We don't even know any character's origin story to know if they suddenly awakened their powers one day or got powers through experimentation or a freak accident.

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                                                    "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                      I hope the movie is NOT about the Incredibles spending 70-90 minutes looking around for that baby while he pulls a different superpower for a humorous scene each time he appears on-screen.

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                                                        I hear the movie is going to focus more on Helen being a superhero like how the first film mainly focused on Bob, whereas the latter is going to mainly stay at home with the kids like Helen did in the first installment.

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                                                        "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                          I think they've said in the past that random powers can appear and disappear during infancy with a more permanent set coming in as they get older.

                                                          Complicating things since 2009.

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                                                            If that's true, it makes all of this even more needlessly complicated lol.

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                                                              Based on just the movie itself, I thought Jack-Jack's power was just to shape-shift and/or change his molecular structure. But then Jack-Jack Attack and now this trailer have made everything very confusing.

                                                              [And if the band you're in starts playing different tunes
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                                                                My impression from the beginning was that his powers would stabilize when he got older, since they never put any special emphasis on Jack Jack's ability to do so many things. Plus it makes sense as a metaphor for the potential of a child.

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                                                                  I would prefer if this world is what it is. The idea that everything has to evolve from our world or need some kind of explanation is something I disagree with.

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                                                                    @kagekageking:

                                                                    this superpower genetics need an explanation.

                                                                    NATURaL BoRN DESTRoYER

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                                                                      @desa:

                                                                      I would prefer if this world is what it is. The idea that everything has to evolve from our world or need some kind of explanation is something I disagree with.

                                                                      I don't need an explanation either. I just think that focusing on Jack Jack more could give an opportunity to drop a line or two about that. If only for humor at the least.

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                                                                        http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/11/21/pixar-head-john-lasseter-takes-leave/

                                                                        Honestly, this isn't too surprising (disappointing yes, but not a shock).

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                                                                          I really should rewatch the Incredibles one of these days. I've only seen it off a bootleg dvd.

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                                                                            I'm seeing Coco tonight. I was going to wait until the weekend but…hell, I don't have anything better to do tonight and it's getting rave reviews.

                                                                            Everything's Eventual…

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                                                                              http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/11/21/pixar-head-john-lasseter-takes-leave/

                                                                              Honestly, this isn't too surprising (disappointing yes, but not a shock).

                                                                              I read his letter and provided what he's saying is honest, I'm glad he's responding to this so seriously and hopefully he comes back a better man

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                                                                                Coco was great! Beautiful animation and great characters. Truthfully though, I thought the music could've been stronger. Really, the only song I remember is aptly named 'Remember Me' and I vaguely remember 'Poco Poco' (sp?). Not many songs besides those. Still, the overall product was thoroughly enjoyable.

                                                                                Just a few thoughts…

                                                                                ! Family twist was a little too obvious and I kinda felt like they (the writers) knew that too, so didn't make it a big DUN DUN DUN moment.
                                                                                ! The ending with the great grandmother and great grandson singing together made me tear up.
                                                                                ! Murder is dark but not out of the ordinary for Disney/Pixar. Not at all. I actually thought the more depressing thing was the old man in the shantytown fading away because he was forgotten.
                                                                                ! An interesting thought, what happens to murderers in the afterlife? Now that everyone knows the musician was nothing but a thief and murderer what are they going to do with him? Throw him in jail until he is forgotten? Is their a giant jail full of people who murdered in their past life? Are there a bunch of murderers walking the streets in the afterlife because they were never caught while they were alive? Or will the afterlife society just shun and cast him out to the fringes of society? Kinda like what they do with the people who are being forgotten…
                                                                                ! Was the dog always a spirit guide who simply disguised himself as a dog, or was it a dog who turned into a spirit guide once it got into the afterlife? I'd have to go with the former obviously. That'd explain why it was able to see the ghosts, travel to the land of the dead, and guide the boy like it did.
                                                                                ! The musician is an idiot. He turned his murder into a movie. What an idiot.

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                                                                                  Coco. Great visuals but a lot of choices I did not like.

                                                                                  ! Like I said I like the visual.
                                                                                  ! My problem with the story is mostly a personal thing but I hated how the handled it.
                                                                                  ! The real papa should not exist. And if he does it shouldn't be that his story. Cruz shouldn't be a murderer. And definitely I hated the whole they are a couple again.
                                                                                  ! I think the story would have been much better with a Cruz that love his descendant but also knows that he couldn't have live without the music. And at the end we have Miguel realizing he prefers family over music but the mama decide that he should be able to forge his own path.
                                                                                  ! Or if the alternate papa exist make him a failed musician none of that stupid murder thing or that magical he was always going to return he just died before so zero fault on his character and there was zero reason to bring him back to the mama when his story was about wanting to see his daughter.
                                                                                  ! Music was great and aside from the kissing the last scene was pretty good and moving.
                                                                                  ! I also really like the mama and think the movie would work better if she was the antagonist not that weird murder plot.

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                                                                                    ! I also really like the mama and think the movie would work better if she was the antagonist not that weird murder plot.

                                                                                    ! I don't really think this movie even needs a villain in the same way Inside Out didn't have one. But the great great grandma being the villain could have been interesting. It's hard for me to imagine how that can work out if she doesn't have a high position of power in the world of the afterlife. Maybe she could work if she's like Mother Gothel from Tangled, but more of an assertive villain since the first third or half of the movie.

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                                                                                      Went to see Coco. Managed to know nothing about it in advance and had seen zero trailers and knew nothing about it except it was a Pixar film.

                                                                                      And then Pixar themselves throws spoilers themselves at the start of the film. "Hey, it takes a lot of people to make one of these movies. Check out this key reveal scene from half an hour in! Wasn't that cool looking? That took a lot of work to do!"

                                                                                      Thanks guys.

                                                                                      Movie was all right Not great but all right. The characters were likeable and the colors were nice and it did what it was supposed to do and it was standard Pixar. It was kind of predictable and straight forward though. Not their best but not at the bottom either..

                                                                                      Also, at the very very start, usually the 5 minute Pixar shorts are fun but…. I had no idea we were going to be held hostage to a 21 minute Frozen short about Olaf at the start. That was just cruel.

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                                                                                        Also, at the very very start, usually the 5 minute Pixar shorts are fun but…. I had no idea we were going to be held hostage to a 20 minute Frozen short about Olaf at the start. That was just cruel.

                                                                                        Oh my God, I forgot about that short. The sheer length of it was so abysmal. It doesn't help how I'm not the biggest fan of Frozen to begin with, let alone of Olaf. I only found out about the short right before taking my seat by overhearing some other people.

                                                                                        I would have much preferred something like that cute volcano romance short. That had the right amount of short but touching length.

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                                                                                          Apparently everyone hates the "short". (Which is actually 21 minutes and is blatantly intended to be a holiday tv special.)

                                                                                          https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11/25/16697898/coco-short-olafs-frozen-adventure-hate-pixar
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                                                                                          Mexico has removed the short entirely, apparently after massive complaints the first couple days.

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                                                                                            Went and saw Coco today.

                                                                                            ! Yep, it's a good one. It's got gorgeous animation and even managed to make me tear-up a bit at the end, but…yeah, I also kinda feel like it's missing a certain something that keeps it from joining the greats of Toy Story, Ratatouille, Up, etc. And, yes, like most of you, I saw the twist coming a mile away (and I'm a little conflicted as to whether I liked that twist or not).
                                                                                            ! Oh yes, and the Olaf short. Disney, if you want to keep making Frozen stuff for the fans, great, but for god's sake, can you please stop shoving it down the throats of us who didn't even come to the theater to see Frozen?
                                                                                            ! EDIT: Ah, well I'm glad it's not just me or even a few people who think that

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                                                                                              ! I loved the mariachi remix of the Disney castle intro theme.
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                                                                                              Spoiler:

                                                                                              "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                                                                Oh, it's pretty obvious why they put in that Frozen "short". To get more butts in seats. I saw advertisements for it along with Coco ads.

                                                                                                'Hey, did you or your kids love 'Frozen'?! Well then you're in luck because if you come see 'Coco' you'll get more 'Frozen'!'

                                                                                                That's some Pixar for your Pixar.

                                                                                                As for the short I thought it was okay. The only enjoyable part was Olaf's song. What was truly abysmal we're the crappy previews before the movie. Absolutely nothing memorable.

                                                                                                Everything's Eventual…

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                                                                                                  @Outerspec:

                                                                                                  That's some Pixar for your Pixar.

                                                                                                  I think there's something wrong with this line.

                                                                                                  Spoiler:

                                                                                                  "Life's not about finding out which card is yours, but finding out which cards you're not."

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                                                                                                    I like watching Elsa powers. Sadly that was all the way at the end of the "short". Also it was way way too long to be in front of the movie someone came to see.

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                                                                                                    Also I really disagree on the movie actually resolving his conflict it just make it have never happen which I don't think is standard in classic Disney or Pixar.

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                                                                                                      Remember the Frozen short was supposed to be a TV special, Disney decided to move it off TV and they really couldn't attach it to any other movie besides Coco since putting it before any movie after the holidays makes no sense and the only other Disney movie coming out after Coco this year is Star Wars.

                                                                                                      That and they only have there animated shorts for there animated movies.

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                                                                                                        @Count:

                                                                                                        I think there's something wrong with this line.

                                                                                                        Lol, yes, it all blends together sometimes for me.

                                                                                                        Everything's Eventual…

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