So where does it say that Luffy took the same path as Roger?
in chapter 703. Yes this will be in the future.
Legacies, Parallels, and Fate
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So where does it say that Luffy took the same path as Roger?
It was kinda obvious. Crocus's reaction confirmed that. He showed interest in the fact that Luffy chose to go to Whiskey Peak, and asked if he wanted to take back that decision. Luffy didn't, he chose the same path with Roger, and the coincidence fascinated Crocus.
Upon reaching the lighthouse at Reverse Mountain, at the entrance of the Grand Line, Roger recruited Crocus as his doctor that would be responsible for keeping him alive until the completion of his journey. Their journey then took them to Skypiea and later Water 7 where the shipwright Tom built them a ship called the Oro Jackson. I believe they reached Drum and met Dr. Kureha too.
@looking_at_you:what if they sad hes friend was gay or something like that or made some other lie about rogers friend?
you saying they did not deserve what they got?
I wouldn't comment anything, but, hey, try killing someone for speaking ill of your friends.
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@Sea:
It was obvious. Crocus's reaction confirmed that. He showed interest in the fact that Luffy chose to go to Whiskey Peak, and asked if he wanted to take back that decision. Luffy didn't, he chose the same path with Roger, and the coincidence fascinated Crocus.
Upon reaching the lighthouse at Reverse Mountain, at the entrance of the Grand Line, Roger recruited Crocus as his doctor that would be responsible for keeping him alive until the completion of his journey. Their journey then took them to Skypiea and later Water 7 where the shipwright Tom built them a ship called the Oro Jackson.[4] I believe they reached Drum and met Dr. Kureha too.Actually if you recall the crew used an eternal pose to get to Arabasta. I can't remember how they got to Drum, but it would have taken a year for the pose to set at little garden.
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@Mr.:
Actually if you recall the crew used an eternal pose to get to Arabasta. I can't remember how they got to Drum, but it would have taken a year for the pose to set at little garden.
Nobody knew if the Roger crew used an eternal pose. But it's likely that they somehow got one.
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@Sea:
It was obvious. Crocus's reaction confirmed that. He showed interest in the fact that Luffy chose to go to Whiskey Peak, and asked if he wanted to take back that decision. Luffy didn't, he chose the same path with Roger, and the coincidence fascinated Crocus.
Upon reaching the lighthouse at Reverse Mountain, at the entrance of the Grand Line, Roger recruited Crocus as his doctor that would be responsible for keeping him alive until the completion of his journey. Their journey then took them to Skypiea and later Water 7 where the shipwright Tom built them a ship called the Oro Jackson. I believe they reached Drum and met Dr. Kureha too.Not to be picky but… Wasn't it mentioned in the manga that Roger entered the Grand Line numerous times? Last time he just happened to become the King, correct me if I am wrong.
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It's plausible that Roger visited all of the Islands during his 30 years as a pirate.
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@Sea:
Thus, not being prepared, you would naturally hate the destiny plot point. Just like me 2 years ago, when I hated the hell out of the will of D.
Not to venture deep into the philosophical discussion of fate, this is an interesting post:
http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1352730&postcount=5
Does God play dices? Yes-says Quantum Physics.Each to their own - I like the idea of it all coming together, in a sense that it has been written with Luffy unknowingly traveling the similar paths Roger has done in the past.
It seems others are aware he is following in the steps of Roger but he continues on looking for the next Adventure. To our knowledge Robin had not shared the writing of Roger on the bell prior to the meeting with Rayleigh (correct me if I am wrong)
So it does stand to reason that in the 2nd half of the Grand Line he will find more lasting impressions of Rogers trip. Being such a hard place to travel I can't imagine it being subjected to the ammount of Pirates that make it to the first half of the Grand Line.
While Oda is quite evidently making this a Fate based manga - he is still able to put out some decent suprises.
Not to be picky but… Wasn't it mentioned in the manga that Roger entered the Grand Line numerous times? Last time he just happened to become the King, correct me if I am wrong.
Likely - but on the mission to become the Pirate king he may have gone a selected route - possibly using Eternal Pose to go to key islands. Hence picking up Crocus at the Entrence of the GL.
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Each to their own - I like the idea of it all coming together, in a sense that it has been written with Luffy unknowingly traveling the similar paths Roger has done in the past.
It seems others are aware he is following in the steps of Roger but he continues on looking for the next Adventure. To our knowledge Robin had not shared the writing of Roger on the bell (correct me if I am wrong)
So it does stand to reason that in the 2nd half of the Grand Line he will find more lasting impressions of Rogers trip. Being such a hard place to travel I can't imagine it being subjected to the ammount of Pirates that make it to the first half of the Grand Line.
While Oda is quite evidently making this a Fate based manga - he is still able to put out some decent suprises.
Likely - but on the mission to become the Pirate king he may have gone a selected route - possibly using Eternal Pose to go to key islands. Hence picking up Crocus at the Entrence of the GL.
Go re-read the part where the starwhat crew is talking to Rayleigh after they punched the dumb-looking noble.
Sea stated that Luffy was following Roger's path, how does that make sense if he'd been through the Grand line many times.
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Go re-read the part where the starwhat crew is talking to Rayleigh after they punched the dumb-looking noble.
Yeah sorry it's 4am here I should have said before she asked Rayleigh I'll edit the post.
Sea stated that Luffy was following Roger's path, how does that make sense if he'd been through the Grand line many times.
Well - following a path that was laid over many years is still following a path. Or they could be following the final path. Reaching Raftel is what made Roger the PK - but it was not to my knowledge the reason they went there.
Pirates of the world are going to Raftel because Roger's legendary treasure is rumored to be there.
So you have Pirates going for the Treasure vs Pirates going for the Legend of being the 2nd one there - or at least my interperatation of it.Remember when Roger found out he had the Disease he went for Raftel before the Disease consumed him and got crowned the PK for it. He did that with limited years left or something - hard to remember at this time of the morning.
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Apparently Roger never met Crocus before his last journey. From what Rayleigh said, it's seem to be the case.
And I don't believe Crocus said "You can only choose your destination from here" for no reason.
So, it's most likely that Roger entered and conquered the Grandline in his last 3 years. -
I think deducing that SH have taken the same path as Roger is a bit of a stretch…
I mean there are 7 routes and only that mild comment which could have been made based on something else than the route they took...
It can be an opinion of an individual hardly a fact on which we would start basing things. Keep that in mind folk
Edit: and before someone starts nitpicking
- of course they have been to Skypiea like Roger was etc... but as someone mentioned they used an eternal pose to get on that course from starters (it would have been more logical to deduce that Roger has not used it to change his route)
- Roger was a pirate for quite a period, thinking he only visited island of one specific route would be a stretch as well
- My entire post is based on their start of the journey (Grand Line) and the comment made that from the start they have picked the same route as Roger (they may have they may have not)
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I don't think Oda created the 7 paths thing for no purpose.
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Neither do I
If nothing else, it would be lame to just have one route (aka one way of doing things, perhaps even "one destiny"…)
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Well, as far as we know, Roger Visited :
*Drum Island, Kureha know his Real name and about the will of D.
*Skypiea, He was friend with Gan Fall.
*Water 7, Tom-san built The Oro Jackson For him. -
Neither do I
If nothing else, it would be lame to just have one route (aka one way of doing things, perhaps even "one destiny"…)
The point is, Oda complicated the problem by making the Grandline impossible to navigate without a lock post compass.
Why did he do that? In normal adventure stories, the hero can choose whatever island to go to, but here in One Piece, once you choose a path, you can only go that path.
The purpose, I think, was originated from an attempt to the draw a connection between Luffy and Roger.
Plus, Crocus's line kinda indicated that. If Luffy choose a different path, it would be simply a random path out of 7, there would be no reason for Crocus to warn: "You can only choose your destination from here."
Crocus wanted to test fate. And the result pleased him.
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@Stephen:Crocus: You should be ready now.
Your Log is fully saved.
Is it pointing to the right spot, according to the map?Nami: Yup, we're good!!
It's pointing to Whiskey Peak.Crocus: Are you sure you want to choose Whiskey Peak, entirely on their behalf, boy?
There's only one place where you can decide where to head next, and that's here. -
I don't think Roger has been to Arabasta since Cobra never mentions him in a way that suggests that he personally knew him.
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@Mr.:
I don't think Roger has been to Arabasta since Cobra never mentions him in a way that suggests that he personally knew him.
Roger not meeting Cobra doesn't mean he has not gone to Alabasta. The Sh met Vivi and Cobra for their specific reason. Otherwise it's unlikely that a non-shichibukai pirate would meet a king.
Roger has never been to Enies Lobby either. The SH went there also for specific reason/out of planned path. -
I still wonder what Roger did in Skypeia.
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@Sea:
The point is, Oda complicated the problem by making the Grandline impossible to navigate without a lock post compass.
Why did he do that? In normal adventure stories, the hero can choose whatever island to go to, but here in One Piece, once you choose a path, you can only go that path.
The purpose, I think, was originated from an attempt to the draw a connection between Luffy and Roger.
Plus, Crocus's line kinda indicated that. If Luffy choose a different path, it would be simply a random path out of 7, there is no reason for Crocus to warn: "You can only choose your destination from here."Perhaps, I sincerely hope that is not the case though
@RPGJay - He read the poneglyph
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Perhaps, I sincerely hope that is not the case though.
Too bad for us, knowing how obsessed Oda has been with the fate stuff, it's most likely the case.
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I still wonder what Roger did in Skypeia.
Hung out, had fun, found the Poneglyph, noticed a whole city filled with gold, took a sh*t-load of it, had a huge party to celebrate, left.
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Unless Oda comes out blatantly to say Luffy chose the same path roger did at the start we won't really know.
Luffy went to Cactus village to Little Garden and from there took an eternal post to alabaster. If he had followed on the path from Little garden we have no idea where they would have ended up.
In the instance of Drum Island they found it by chance while passing by and skypiea was not their initial destination from alabaster. They had recorded a different location and locked skypiea by accident and happened upon another Eternal post that lead them to Jaya.
The SH's destination have been so sporadic that we can not really say Roger followed the same path Luffy has now.
However we can say that Roger has in his known Three Year Voyage of the grand line put him in a lot of places. Luffy has just happened on a number of these places.
With that all in mind. If you look at the middle route there is a broken line going from the second dot to the third dot. I think this is oda representing that change of route luffy made by following the eternal post.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2605-11/one-piece/chapter-498.html
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I still wonder what Roger did in Skypeia.
What Roger Did in Skypeia is to not Ringing the Bell and end The Long War. :ninja:
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I still wonder what Roger did in Skypeia.
searches deviantart for picture of Roger on a waver
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What Roger Did in Skypeia is to not Ringing the Bell and end The Long War. :ninja:
Exactly.
I wonder what could've possibly stopped him?
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Exactly.
I wonder what could've possibly stopped him?
He must have felt that its not yet for the War to end, something like Destiny.
Cause if he did, this will happen :
The War will stop, the Shandian warriors will Stop fighting and Get Soft, then about 22 years after, Enel will Reach Skypiea, and so Luffy and His crew, On luffy attempt to Ring the bell, no Shandians warriors Exist to Help him, and if he fail The Story end and Cricket won't hear the bell. -
Or, you know, he just didn't give a crap. Hell Luffy didn't either and only ended up stopping the centuries long conflict because of Cricket by accident.
Neither him or Roger are saints by what we've been shown and told so it wouldn't be surprising.
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Luffy didn't even ring the bell on purpose, did he? I thought he punched through Enel and hit it on accident.
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Luffy didn't even ring the bell on purpose, did he? I thought he punched through Enel and hit it on accident.
Yeah, but I was under the impression he still wanted to ring it for Cricket's sake.
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His goal was to ring the bell so it was gonna happen either way. Having Ener's defeat coincide with it was just for dramatic storytelling purposes.
Like at Alabasta with the rain finally coming in as Crocodile was beaten.
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Exactly.
I wonder what could've possibly stopped him?
He didn't give a shit? If it hadn't been to do with Monbran then Luffy would probably never have run the bell either.
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Unless Oda comes out blatantly to say Luffy chose the same path roger did at the start we won't really know.
Luffy went to Cactus village to Little Garden and from there took an eternal post to alabaster. If he had followed on the path from Little garden we have no idea where they would have ended up.
In the instance of Drum Island they found it by chance while passing by and skypiea was not their initial destination from alabaster. They had recorded a different location and locked skypiea by accident and happened upon another Eternal post that lead them to Jaya.
The SH's destination have been so sporadic that we can not really say Roger followed the same path Luffy has now.
However we can say that Roger has in his known Three Year Voyage of the grand line put him in a lot of places. Luffy has just happened on a number of these places.
The reason I gave has nothing to with that. You have to look from the author point of view.
With that all in mind. If you look at the middle route there is a broken line going from the second dot to the third dot. I think this is oda representing that change of route luffy made by following the eternal post.
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2605-11/one-piece/chapter-498.html
That was just a generic description of 7 paths. You are reading too much into it.
And no, Luffy's path can only be decided in Twin Cape. And that was stated by someone who has been to Skypea. He might go here and there in that path, change specific locations, but at the end he only traveled 1 out of 7 magnetic fields. The specific log poses he used didn't change it. The log poses he got in his way of that magnetic field would only lead to islands in that magnetic field, Luffy met Masira because they traveled in the same magnetic field in the first place.And don't forget that 400 years ago, and in Luffy's time, the sky Island was right above Jaya, to the point a part of Jaya became a part of Skypea. That two islands at the time were at the same point in a magnetic field.
Aokiji knew Luffy would end up at Long Ring Long Land so he went there to see Nico Robin, knowing he was last seen in Alabasta. Sengoku knew he would end up at Thriller Bark and sent Kuma to inform Moriah.
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You really are reading too much into it.
Now that I think about it, Roger only had three years in Grand Line made sense. Shanks is 39 years old and Roger was a pirate since at least 52 years ago. If Shanks was on Roger ship since he was around 10, then it would be about 20 years after Roger became a pirates. That 20 years of his Piracy career, he wore a straw hat, but has not gained infamy. He only got famous after entering Grand Line where the most thrilling actions were, hence nobody realized both Luffy and Roger wore a Straw hat. -
The whole destiny talk from Rayleigh made me think that is what makes those with the will of D so special.
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Those that are Destined for greatness
Not really. They all had strong will, but Saul or Ace didn't accomplish that much greatness. Rouge was a nameless woman nobody paid attention to, hence her escaping the Marines' eyes.
Newgate had as much influence as Roger. He just had no interest in Raftel, and he was not a D. -
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Not really. They all had strong will, but Saul or Ace didn't accomplish that much greatness. Rouge was a nameless woman nobody paid attention to, hence her escaping the Marines' eyes.
Newgate had as much influence as Roger. He just had no interest in Raftel, and he was not a D.Ace did end up 2nd in Command of WB's at a young age - Have an entire war fought for him.
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Ace did end up 2nd in Command of WB's at a young age - Have an entire war fought for him.
Which is a form of Greatness.I… won't remember him for his greatness (well i will remember him for the other stuff). :( His stubbornes costed him his life... T_______________T
And I was eager to see more of him... Dammit I stayed covetous for Ace (< took me friggin 5 mins to realize how to translate this from my mother langue into english. i even used a translator as help. I hope my sentence is correct)
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Heck I love fate Storyline, I love when some one wins by sheer luck, and all those things like its not because you were extremely lucky that you didn't deserve your win.
But what I love even more is when Fate is written somewhere and someone just breaks the destiny, screwing with everyone. And for me that is going to happen when the Straw Hats fight the straw guy (Heck I forgot his name).
And yes, I love this small things like the Luffy's hat being Roger's, and such. Its just heat worming to see that Luffy had so many similarity's wich Roger. But it isn't badly written, and while he his in fact similar to Roger, and almost predestinated to be the pirate king, his actions hold value and its not like, he is the son of Dragon, the grandson of Garp and he looks exactly like Roger and he is strong just because of that.
We saw that Luffy trained really hard, as a kid, he started of not even knowing how to draw a gomu gomu no pistol. But fighting to achieve his dream and to honor Sabo's dream he got better and better. In 10 years of training he got better than the whole East Blue, and stormed the first line of the grand line. But then we see that guts and quick development alone aren't enough, and Luffy gets owned in every way possible during the war.
Its not like he will win just because that is his destiny, its more that he will win because he is strong willed and will do everything possible and impossible to do so, even if that means loosing years of life.
But when some one has that strong of a will, "fate" will lend a hand, and will let him meet with people such as Rayleagh.Thats my opinion, and no. I did not read the entire thread.
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I… won't remember him for his greatness (well i will remember him for the other stuff). :( His stubbornes costed him his life... T_______________T
And I was eager to see more of him... Dammit I stayed covetous for Ace (< took me friggin 5 mins to realize how to translate this from my mother langue into english. i even used a translator as help. I hope my sentence is correct)
Hmmm perhaps covetous isn't quite the word you want, when used in relation to people it usually implies you want to have sex with them and usually the with part is dubious. Or is that what you meant? In which case, that works.
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Hmmm perhaps covetous isn't quite the word you want, when used in relation to people it usually implies you want to have sex with them. Or is that what you meant? In which case, that works.
Aw.. hmmm the word is kinda familair with the word wish and wishfull
Like you get a game and you play it only 1 hour and the game breaks somehow. Then you say you like remained wishfull for the game covetous, desirous or eager. I really don't know. I'm using google translate to translate a word from my langue but there are 9 results so really don't know wich word fits the best.
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@Sea:
Now that I think about it, Roger only had three years in Grand Line made sense. Shanks is 39 years old and Roger was a pirate since at least 52 years ago. If Shanks was on Roger ship since he was around 10, then it would be about 20 years after Roger became a pirates. That 20 years of his Piracy career, he wore a straw hat, but has not gained infamy. He only got famous after entering Grand Line where the most thrilling actions were, hence nobody realized both Luffy and Roger wore a Straw hat.
I believe The Lines you put here since Brook mentioned that in the time he was a rumbar Pirate, There was a rookie with ROger name, and He probably know his name cause there haven't been many pirates around that time.
Now that i think about it, Unlike Luffy who Had to Prepare for the New world just before reaching it, Roger prepared himeself For the entire Grandline in the Blue seas.
The Filler anime Episode in loguetown with the Old Bartender dude, we get many Info about Roger Journey from it. -
I… won't remember him for his greatness (well i will remember him for the other stuff). :( His stubbornes costed him his life... T_______________T
And I was eager to see more of him... Dammit I stayed covetous for Ace (< took me friggin 5 mins to realize how to translate this from my mother langue into english. i even used a translator as help. I hope my sentence is correct)
His stubbornes was such a part of his personality and it was really shown that way - he reminded me a little of Marty McFly but never learnt the lesson Marty did :sad:
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Ace did end up 2nd in Command of WB's at a young age - Have an entire war fought for him.
Which is a form of Greatness.Ace was extraordinary but he didn't even end up being a captain (he was a former-captain though, but the "former" part even proves my point more) and he was executed mainly because he was a Gol D. That was the tragedy the D brought to him.
He is just a specific case though. If you think being the underling of someone great or the trigger of a great war is some form of greatness, fine, we still have other examples to prove my main point about the D.@gotta<3OP:
Heck I love fate Storyline, I love when some one wins by sheer luck, and all those things like its not because you were extremely lucky that you didn't deserve your win.
You mean, it would be kinda boring if it's simply whoever has better ability wins, right? Luck makes the battles more unexpectable/unpredictable.
If you are good enough to make use of the chance you are given, you are good.
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Yeah, thats exactly it.
Luck is part of real life, and it should be part of a comic book that, in my opinion, is trying to portrait reality in a world different than ours. (if you get what I mean).
Luck, destiny, defeat… those are things that not everyone likes but make a story better, in my point of view, of course. -
His goal was to ring the bell so it was gonna happen either way. Having Ener's defeat coincide with it was just for dramatic storytelling purposes.
Like at Alabasta with the rain finally coming in as Crocodile was beaten.
That was in my eyes a bit to much drama just like Peruh the survivor.
But i guess Oda had to chose that cheesy method or else the war would have never stopped, seeing how desperate Vivi looked after realizing that she couldn`t stop the fightings even when she stopped the bomb. -
Who said that everyone with the D. has the will of D? WB even told BB he didn't have it so obviously everyone with the D. doesn't necessarily have the will of D.
I don't think there's enough evidence to support anyone but Luffy and Roger having it.
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Who said that everyone with the D. has the will of D? WB even told BB he didn't have it so obviously everyone with the D. doesn't necessarily have the will of D.
I don't think there's enough evidence to support anyone but Luffy and Roger having it.
And Garp… and Dragon :ninja:
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