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Chapter 601: "Romance Dawn for the New World" Discussion
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So, what happened to the PX that attacked Shaki & Co ? If they beat it, why are Duval and Shaki still here, why didn't they run, did the WG send one PX and just forgot about it ?
That was the real Kuma, and he never ''attacked'' them. We dunno what happenned there..but clearly he was there for a reason and then left.
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Vegapunk even changed his bodyguard, now that Sentou's a marine.
Possibly but we don't actually know that. Perhaps Sentoumaru has retained his position but is now just officially recognised as a marine.
Perhaps Vegapunk and the science department is now part of the marines.
Just specualtion but we don't know what has happened yet.
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Well once again to Iva… it is still strange that his kick couldn't harm Kuma (same material) and his galaxy wink as well. I can't see that Sanji surpassed him. Even if he isn't Mihawk or Rayleigh level, he isn't below PX material level... or is he?
You have to take into consideration Kuma's physical abilities. I doubt any of the Pacifista can match the power, strength, speed etc durability of Kuma's muscles.
No :getlost:
They've been way too hyped up, I don't wanna see them lose to the weaker guys :sad:**What would be the point of having the brothers fact any of the monster trio? This chapter confirmed that any of the monster trio can destroy a Pacifista with a semi-casual attack. The same Pacisifta that two years ago took all the Strawhats + a whole bunch of luck to defeat.
Unless you're telling me you think the brothers are stronger than a Pacifista?**
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Well once again to Iva… it is still strange that his kick couldn't harm Kuma (same material) and his galaxy wink as well. I can't see that Sanji surpassed him. Even if he isn't Mihawk or Rayleigh level, he isn't below PX material level... or is he?
Or maybe it never occured to you that means nothing at all? His overall fighting ability is much higher than Sanji..he's a top level fighter. Sanji specalises in fighting with his legs..Ivankov clearly doesn't. His strengths lie elsewhere. On top of that…he was fighting the real Kuma..not some PX inferior PX Clones...as strong as they may be....are not the real deal.
Also, i wonder. Have they made a whole army of Pacifista's yet? They'd only need a couple 100 at the very most to be almost unstoppable.
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Vegapunk is protected by the Sacred Burning Beast of Barujimoa; Everybody knows that.
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All
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Shame on you if you think they're weaker than anyone else thereOh, sure, they can be stronger than the fodder pirates and marines gathered at the plaza. But I've seen people comment on them taking on monster trio or sentoumaru and the idea is ridiculous. At the most they should just get a Robin crutch so we can move on to better things.
And yea, wasn't attacking what you said, I would not mind at all a burial fest especially if the fake SH are thrown into the mix. Seems that only Cocoa(Frobin) and the fox are the only ones safe, ironically.
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One thing is a Pacifista, Kuma another…
Kuma is more powerfull, and his devil power it's how an armour more resistant (deflects anything)
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And yea, wasn't attacking what you said, I would not mind at all a burial fest especially if the fake SH are thrown into the mix. Seems that only Cocoa(Frobin) and the fox are the only ones safe, ironically.
And the cucumber.
Also, i wonder. Have they made a whole army of Pacifista's yet? They'd only need a couple 100 at the very most to be almost unstoppable.
Well, maybe they can't go doing them in mass production like that. But well, I think the marines must have a bigger army of pacifistas now than when they used them to attack the New World captains.
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Or maybe it never occured to you that means nothing at all? His overall fighting ability is much higher than Sanji..he's a top level fighter. Sanji specalises in fighting with his legs..Ivankov clearly doesn't. His strengths lie elsewhere. On top of that…he was fighting the real Kuma..not some PX inferior PX Clones...as strong as they may be....are not the real deal.
Also, i wonder. Have they made a whole army of Pacifista's yet? They'd only need a couple 100 at the very most to be almost unstoppable.
I know that they aren't as strong… But they are made out of the same steel. But Polygon's explanation makes sense a bit
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Is it just a coincidence that fake-Luffy has an X shaped scar on his body too?
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Sentoumaru said that PX-5 picked up on Luffy right when they got onto SA…how? Did he catch a glimpse of him or did he actually just sense him?
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Well once again to Iva… it is still strange that his kick couldn't harm Kuma (same material) and his galaxy wink as well. I can't see that Sanji surpassed him. Even if he isn't Mihawk or Rayleigh level, he isn't below PX material level... or is he?
Are you basing yourself in the anime? they seemed pretty even to me in the manga and it was a short fight…
No :getlost:
They've been way too hyped up, I don't wanna see them lose to the weaker guys :sad:That would just show the weaker guys can beat 190/210 bounties now, stop basing shit on fanboism you just like they because they are killing people left and right…
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Possibly but we don't actually know that. Perhaps Sentoumaru has retained his position but is now just officially recognised as a marine.
Perhaps Vegapunk and the science department is now part of the marines.
Just specualtion but we don't know what has happened yet.It's very possible Sentoumaru's position is now in front of the Pacifistas army instead of being a bodyguard. But we'll have to wait and see.
@Unluck:Sentoumaru said that PX-5 picked up on Luffy right when they got onto SA…how? Did he catch a glimpse of him or did he actually just sense him?
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Sentoumaru said that PX-5 picked up on Luffy right when they got onto SA…how? Did he catch a glimpse of him or did he actually just sense him?
By Island I think they were talking about that particular Grove.
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By Island I think they were talking about that particular Grove.
That would make sense. I don't see how else the Pacifista could known Luffy was there unless he saw him on the same grove.
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That would make sense. I don't see how else the Pacifista could known Luffy was there unless he saw him on the same grove.
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People weren't confused about that part, they were confused by the wording sentoumaru has used in the text.
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Are you basing yourself in the anime? they seemed pretty even to me in the manga and it was a short fight…
That would just show the weaker guys can beat 190/210 bounties now, stop basing shit on fanboism you just like they because they are killing people left and right...
No Chapter 560… It doesn't seem that Iva's kick or Wink could do much damage to Kuma's steel body
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The fuck is this shit?
Did you just pick this up and ignore everything else?! it was a joke
Edit: whoops thought this was a new post
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Read the question. I has asked how the Pacifista had "picked him up" ( http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/11 )after he got on the island. I assumed that Sentoumaru was talking about SA as a whole as an island, which would mean that the Pacifista had sense Luffy even while being on different groves and not seeing him. If Sentoumaru meant the grove as the island, it makes sense.
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KiShiDo just stop repeating yourself and bringing up the same crap about Ivankov we get it.
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KiShiDo just stop repeating yourself and bringing up the same crap about Ivankov we get it.
I only asked it twice. But now they are far more people to discuss and I bet not everyone ready page 2 or 5 of this thread.
And I just answered his question about the anime thingy.
I'M already OK with LightningAce and Polygon's answer
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No Chapter 560… It doesn't seem that Iva's kick or Wink could do much damage to Kuma's steel body
That's cause Sanji is now stronger than Iva is.
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No Chapter 560… It doesn't seem that Iva's kick or Wink could do much damage to Kuma's steel body
Just went to check it again and I just see them trading attacks, nothing there suggests one is stronger then the other.
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Chapter 560
Iva vs. Kuma
Chapter 601
Sanji (+Zoro) vs. PX-5 (Pazifista)Kuma is NOT a Pacifista.
You can't draw any conclusion that Sanji is now stronger than Iva.
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Chapter 560
Iva vs. Kuma
Chapter 601
Sanji (+Zoro) vs. PX-5 (Pazifista)Kuma is NOT a Pacifista.
You can't draw any conclusion that Sanji is now stronger than Iva.
But you can say, that Sanji has gotten stronger.Exactly, Jimbei and Ivankov can one shot a Pacifista also.
Polygon that wasnt the point I believe.
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Just look at Chapter 510. There Sanji is able to kick Kuma pretty hard (with DJ). And Zoro Cuts him almost the same way like in 601 (but using Asura).
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I was just telling about the steel. Not beaeting Kuma.
Anyway. What do you think… Can we expect that the other SHs will show something next chapter or will they simply set sails... I really would like to see them or some new Sunny stuff. I doubt under warter Franky can use all new things he has installed on her
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I doubt under water Franky can use all new things he has installed on her
But maybe there are some things that can used ONLY underwater :wub:.
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I was just telling about the steel. Not beaeting Kuma.
Anyway. What do you think… Can we expect that the other SHs will show something next chapter or will they simply set sails... I really would like to see them or some new Sunny stuff. I doubt under warter Franky can use all new things he has installed on her
Yes, I just think you are downrating Ivankov a litte he wasnt even fightning seriously probably since he was shocked of Kuma attacking him… they didnt have a full fight to know who would win, since they are both important officers of the revolutionares in the past, their strenght must be pretty close in my opinion.
I just dont think that a good example to judge Ivankov power realated to Kuma, unless its stated or we actually see Kuma beating the crap out of Ivankov I stand with this opinion.
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I was just telling about the steel. Not beaeting Kuma.
Anyway. What do you think… Can we expect that the other SHs will show something next chapter or will they simply set sails... I really would like to see them or some new Sunny stuff. I doubt under warter Franky can use all new things he has installed on her
Like I said earlier, I think the lesser Strawhats are gonna take on the brothers.
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I was just telling about the steel. Not beaeting Kuma.
Anyway. What do you think… Can we expect that the other SHs will show something next chapter or will they simply set sails... I really would like to see them or some new Sunny stuff. I doubt under warter Franky can use all new things he has installed on her
Settin Sail obviously. Off to Fishman Island…and a reunion with Jimbei. Thank God..its been a long time coming. Its not like the Marines are gonna persue them any further...
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Like I said earlier, I think the lesser Strawhats are gonna take on the brothers.
I doubt it. They're leaving. They have nothing to prove by beatin the 2 brothers. A pacifista is far more impressive.
Its onwards to Fishman Island. No one is gonna persue the SH's..especialy with Rayleigh there to clear the path for them to leave. They'd get utterly raped ( which i'd love to see actually).
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Read the question. I has asked how the Pacifista had "picked him up" ( http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/56751021/11 )after he got on the island. I assumed that Sentoumaru was talking about SA as a whole as an island, which would mean that the Pacifista had sense Luffy even while being on different groves and not seeing him. If Sentoumaru meant the grove as the island, it makes sense.
Did we even saw Sentomaru and the Pacifistas in Sabaody besides that grove?
And we saw PX-5 locating Luffy so your question didn't made much sense. -
Hmm… thinking about Fishman island I can't stop expecting Camie beeing fooled by the Fake Strawhats (in case they got away).
Save the naive Mermaid Part 2.Hmm.. I wonder if we will see the first (i think) official Couple (Hatchi-Camie).
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Great chapter! Let´s start anew.
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is anyone wondering if the marines will find the jacket hancock gave luffy that went on the ground and link it back to her and accuse her of sheltering luffy for the 2 years? idk if anyone has mentioned this yet.
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I doubt it. They're leaving. They have nothing to prove by beatin the 2 brothers. A pacifista is far more impressive.
Its onwards to Fishman Island. No one is gonna persue the SH's..especialy with Rayleigh there to clear the path for them to leave. They'd get utterly raped ( which i'd love to see actually).
So what if they're leaving? That doesn't mean something can't happen that would require the Strawhats to take care of the brothers. It would be a good way to showcase some of the lesser Strawhats new found skills as well. Also, what exactly are you trying to say with "a Pacifista is far more impressive?" The lesser Strawhats didn't take one the Pacifista so I don't see why that's important.
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**Unless you're telling me you think the brothers are stronger than a Pacifista?
I hope so, can't tell you I think so, though
That would just show the weaker guys can beat 190/210 bounties now, stop basing shit on fanboism
Nooooooooo :sad:
you just like they because they are killing people left and right…
What? No, I like them because their designs are awesome and because I love their quirks, not because they kill people, lol**
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The lesser Strawhats didn't take one the Pacifista so I don't see why that's important.
There aren´t any "lesser SHs" in the crew, only weaker ones :D
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OMG. Body part specific Gear 2nd. I never saw that coming. Kudos, Oda. Mother fucking kudos.
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What a great chapter. Fitting title, "Romance Dawn of the New World".
-Fake Luffy is pissing me off.
-Sentoumaru punching Fluffy was too funny, as was everyone's reaction to the imposter.
-More Zoro and Sanji fighting? Heh, glad to see their dynamic is still going strong.
-I knew Luffy had food in that bag, lol.
-Body part specific Gear 2! Imo, that's very convenient.
-Monster Trio shines after two years by beating the Pacifista with ease. Awesome.
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i really feel sorry for those pirates…one surprise after the other...no one even needed CoC to knock them out...just seeing them got them foaming in the mouth and eyes popping out lol
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Just realized this, at this point the original SH's(Before entering the Grandline) have all shown off a bit of their skills. I'm thinking that next chapter we'll see the pacifista's attacking the Sunny and we'll see what the rest of the crew can do(Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brook).
