Fourth Round Discussion Thread

[Kitsune Inferno]

So there are five terms then?

[Robo Gorilla]

Are there less than 4 nonvariable numbers?

[Ubiq]

@Kitsune:

So there are five terms then?

Don't count on it.

@Robo:

Are there less than 4 nonvariable numbers?

As I see it, yes.

[Kitsune Inferno]

Uh… six?

[Ubiq]

@Kitsune:

Uh… six?

Signs point to yes.

[Robo Gorilla]

Are there exactly 2 nonvariable numbers?

[Ubiq]

@Robo:

Are there exactly 2 nonvariable numbers?

Outlook not so good.

[Robo Gorilla]

Are there 3 nonvariable numbers?

[Ubiq]

@Robo:

Are there 3 nonvariable numbers?

As I see it, yes.

[Robo Gorilla]

4 variables and 3 nonvariables?

[Kitsune Inferno]

Are any of the variables in the bonus made up of multiple values (much like the variables from the base portion)?

[Ubiq]

@Robo:

4 variables and 3 nonvariables?

As I see it, yes.

@Kitsune:

Are any of the variables in the bonus made up of multiple values (much like the variables from the base portion)?

As I see it, yes.

[piratemarimo]

@captain:

this topic has become the "topic of stats?
it would be better to talk about the tournament itself?

Nice sig. Did you come up with it by yourself or am I missing something?

Also, looks like Kitsune's getting closer to solving this mystery. :happy:

[GreatLiver]

Will I find good fortune in the upcoming week?

[Gerri]

Looks like nobody solved the mystery yet..

[Sea]

@Gerri:

Looks like nobody solved the mystery yet..

As I see it, yes.

[Ubiq]

@GreatLiver:

Will I find good fortune in the upcoming week?

Reply hazy. Ask again next week.

[C_uggs]

@piratemarimo:

Nice sig. Did you come up with it by yourself or am I missing something?

It was a original idea.
I approached the persona of the members with the tarot cards.
Tomorrow is GOD payback time.Ya hahahaha
adios,sayonara,desapareça Dragon

[Fire-Fist]

KI update that pirate pad with new info :)

http://piratepad.net/KUB4BafyRq

[IceBorg]

@captain:

It was a original idea.
I approached the persona of the members with the tarot cards.
Tomorrow is GOD payback time.Ya hahahaha
adios,sayonara,desapareça Dragon

My persona is Mara.

[Muda Muda no Mi]

Just got home from work to see if KI cracked the formula yet…

...My god, after reading all the feedback from Ubiq and Robby, I feel like I just need to start from scratch!

[C_uggs]

@IceBorg:

My persona is Mara.

is mara a person ?
or mara for "wonderfull" ?
or something totally different ?

[IceBorg]

@captain:

is mara a person ?
or mara for "wonderfull" ?
or something totally different ?

Check Google for "Persona Mara", not safe for kids.

[Kitsune Inferno]

Ooh… Emperor, nice! I would've preferred Hermit.

I need to play more Persona. I just got Akihiko.

[C_uggs]

@IceBorg:

Check Google for "Persona Mara", not safe for kids.

(lol a dick on wheels)
but in your case it should have more penies..(and also explonding ones)
ahahaha
and kitsune..this sig was basead on what i fell about the members,or how they behave on the forums

[Robo Gorilla]

does first chapter equal W?

[Ubiq]

@Robo:

does first chapter equal W?

Don't count on it.

[Outerspec]

HINTS PART 1

! Well, I made a list of all the useful hints given to us so far. Different interpretations of the hints may be taken. Different from my interpretations. All of this will either confuse you more or actually help.
! Individual Hints
#1
! >! @Ubiq:
! > I can see how you might think percentages play a role in it and I guess it does to an extent, but it's a lot more limited than you'd think.
! @Ubiq:
! > Keep in mind that if it's true of one bounty, it must be true of all of them.
! @Ubiq:
! > Oh. Well. This is the last hint I'll give in any fashion other than Magic 8 Ball: the amount of the increase is irrelevant to the size of the initial bounty; beginning or end. Whitebeard's bounty went up by 90%, but the bonus is not 90% of his bounty if you get my drift. Magic 8 Ball Responses
! #2
! Same formula before the tweaking.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Say, is the same formula that applies to Round 3's variables applied to Round 4's variable as well BEFORE the tweaking happens.
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #3
! Round 4 variable
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Does Round 4's variable depend solely on the tweaking? If that makes sense.
! @Ubiq:
! > Very doubtful. #4
! The tweaking did not affect Garp the most and Shanks the least.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > So whatever this tweaking is, Garp was affected the most, and Shanks the least… Hmm...
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #5
! Mysterious variable is not constant between Smoker and Hiriluk.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > So, whatever this variable may be, it is constant between Smoker and Hiruluk, then?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it #6
! The bonuses rank something.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Are these bonuses ranking something, then?
! @Ubiq:
! > Outlook good #7
! Opponents have no affect on the numbers. (Note: 4th Round opponents do not affect the numbers. 3rd Round bounties still apply. See hint #18)
! >! @Kitsune:
! > And these numbers have NOTHING to do with their opponents, correct?
! @Ubiq:
! > It is decidedly so. #8
! Hiriluk and Smoker tie in some sort of measurement. (Note: They do not share a constant variable though. See hint #5)
! >! @Kitsune:
! > So whatever is being measured here, Hiruluk and Smoker happen to tie in it?
! @Ubiq:
! > It is decidedly so. #9
! Numbers have nothing to do with match order.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Does it have anything to do with… match order?
! @Ubiq:
! > Very Doubtful #10
! Bonus is not a single statistic.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > So is the bonus a single statistic?
! @Ubiq:
! > My sources say no. #11
! The bonus is a sum of multiple statistics and a product.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Is it a sum of multiple statistics?
! @Ubiq:
! > Signs point to yes.
! @Kitsune:
! > Or a product?
! @Ubiq:
! > Outlook good. #12
! Has nothing to do with post or view count.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Does it have anything to do with a post or view count?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #13
! Has nothing to do with a character's margin of victory.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Does it have anything to do with a character's margin of victory?
! @Ubiq:
! > Outlook not so good. #14
! The formula adds more than three numbers.
! >! @metteminne:
! > does the formular add more than three number?
! @Ubiq:
! > Without a doubt A Different Look On Things
#15
! Ranking the bonuses from least to greatest.
! >! @RobbyBevard:
! > Try ranking the characters bonuses lowest to highest, instead of highest to lowest.
! @Kitsune:
! > Roger- 613
Luffy- 614
Shanks- 624
Rayleigh- 802
Smoker- 1574
Hiruluk- 1574
Chopper- 1972
Noland- 2431
WB- 2987
Garp- 5000

Hmmm….
! @RobbyBevard:
! > Think about the hint I gave and why I would think doing that would make a difference. Order Of Appearance?
! #16
! >! @RobbyBevard:
! > You keep getting on the right path and then abandoning it, even after I basically confirm it.
! @Kitsune:
! > Are you referring to the order of appearance?
! @Kitsune:
! > Assuming the order of appearance happens to be a variable, how can that even be quantified?
! @RobbyBevard:
! > When did they appear?
! More Individual Hints
! #17
! >! @Ubiq:
! > No algebra involved; just arithmetic.
! @Ubiq:
! > Garp's "bounty" was a bit of an oddball despite being calculated the exact same way as everybody else. #18
! 3rd Round formula applies and was not tweaked.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Does it involve a character's past opponents in any way?
! @Ubiq:
! > Only to the extent that the Third Round bounties did. As previously stated, the formula used in the Third Round remains in the current version. It was not tweaked. The rest is all new though. #19
! 0's matter to a certain extent.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Wait, so the zeroes behind the bounty are significant?
! @Ubiq:
! > Some of them are, yes.

HINTS PART 2

! #20
! No subtraction involved.
! >! @Outerspec:
! > I have a question for any of the mods who know. Is subtraction involved?
! @Ubiq:
! > My reply is no. #21
! Measurements for variables do not come from anime.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Are the measurements for one of the variables taken from what anime episode they appear in?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #22
! Value of variable is measured by something else.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Or is the value of the variable something else?
! @Ubiq:
! > It is decidedly so. #23
! No rearrangement of digits involved.
! >! @Robo:
! > Is the rearrangement of digits involved?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #24
! Garp's value is not based on his cover story appearance.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Is Garp's value based on his cover story appearance?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #25
! Norland's appearance is not based on his first appearance in the flashback. It is based on his storybook appearance.
! >! @ultimateclima:
! > Was Norland's appearance based on his first appearance in the flashback?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it.
! @ultimateclima:
! > Or was it during his storybook appearance?
! @Ubiq:
! > Outlook good. #26
! Variables are not used more than once.
! >! @Robo:
! > is any variable used more than once?
! @Ubiq:
! > Outlook not so good. #27
! Variables are not squared
! >! @Robo:
! > are any variables squared?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #28
! Additional variable are brought in from prior rounds.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Except for the variables already established in Round 3, are any additional variable brought in from prior rounds?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #29
! There are exactly 4 variables.
! >! @Robo:
! > are there exactly 4 variables?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #30
! The formula from Round 3 is 1 variable.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Do you consider the formula from Round 3 to be one variable?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #31
! There are other signs other than multiplication and addition. (Note: No subtraction, see #20)
! >! @Robo:
! > are there any sings other than addition and multiplication signs in the equation?
! @Ubiq:
! > Most likely. #32
! All of the variables are integers.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Are all of the variables integers?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #33
! Page numbers do not matter.
! >! @Fire-Fist:
! > do page numbers on which character appeared first matters?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it #34
! Age/Height do not matter.
! >! @Fire-Fist:
! > do age/heigth of characters matter?
! @Ubiq:
! > Very doubtful #35
! There are 7 or more terms in the equation.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Are there seven or more terms in the equation?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #36
! Ummm…these are not the right equations.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > (a+b+c)+((d+e*f)/g)?

(a+b+c)+(d+(e*f)/g)?
! @Ubiq:
! > Very doubtful.
! @Kitsune:
! > Okay, so…

W + (X + Y / Z ) ?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #37
! Votes from the prelim rounds are not part of the total.
! >! @Hayama:
! > Are the votes from the prelim rounds being counted as part of the total?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. #38
! Division can be of use.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Okay, is there any division in the equation?
! @Ubiq:
! > You may rely on it. #39
! Most likely there is only 1 division sign in the equation.
! >! @Robo:
! > is there more than one division sign in the equation?
! @Ubiq:
! > Not likely #40
! Kitsune doing math?
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Would you count the base part of the equation

(a + b + c) or (r3bounty + r4basebountyincrease)

as three terms and one variable?
! @Ubiq:
! > Outlook good #41
! None of the 4 variables are used more than once.
! >! @Hayama:
! > Are any of the 4 variables used more than once?
! @Ubiq:
! > Very doubtful. #42
! There are coefficients in the equation.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > are there any coefficients in the equation?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #43
! 4 terms and 3 variable do not makes up the "Bonus" portion.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > So this means there are four terms and three variables making up the "Bonus" portion of the equation?
! @Ubiq:
! > My sources day no. #44
! There are 6 terms in the "Bonus" portion of the equation.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Are there six terms in the "Bonus" portion of the equation.?
! @Ubiq:
! > Sings point to yes/ #45
! There are 3 nonvariable numbers.
! >! @Robo:
! > Are there 3 nonvariable numbers?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #46
! Confirmation of 4 variables and 3 nonvariables. (Note: See, #29 & #45)
! >! @Robo:
! > 4 variables and 3 nonvariables?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #47
! Variables in the "Bonus" are made up of multiple values.
! >! @Kitsune:
! > Are any of the variables in the bonus made up of multiple values (much like the variables from the base portion)?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #48
! You can refer to the 4 variables as "W, X, Y, and Z."
! >! @Robo:
! > Can we refer to the 4 variables as W, X, Y and Z, W being the first variable to appear in the equation, X being the second, Y being the third and Z being the fourth?
! @Ubiq:
! > As I see it, yes. #49
! First chapter does not = "W". (Note: See, #48)
! >! @Robo:
! > does first chapter equal W?
! @Ubiq:
! > Don't count on it. Again, you may interpret Ubiq's answers to the questions differently than I have. That's it for now.

[Robo Gorilla]

Is the first number/ symbol/ sign in the equation W?

[Fury283]

BTW, quick note: Woot. Norland broke 150. I'm glad I was right in one aspect. :)

[Outerspec]

Well, I'm taking a break from all of this. I think it just got more confusing with all those hints. I don't know, maybe the answer became more obvious to you all. Good luck. ^_-

[Nia]

@Outerspec:

I think it just got more confusing with all those hints.

Yeah, they pretty much eliminated all my theories. Not nice.

[flybyshooter]

@Fury283:

BTW, quick note: Woot. Norland broke 150. I'm glad I was right in one aspect. :)

Yeah I called it wrong. I didn't think he would break 100, glad to see Norland get some love.

[IceBorg]

Norland deserves that love.

[trappedolphin]

yay love for Norland!

can't wait for Bon's match. Dragon's going down down down down down.

[piratemarimo]

Yes! The return of Okama Hattori!!! XD

Hopefully I'll be able to watch the match tomorrow. I have an open hour in school, so I can avoid doing my math homework enjoy more of the awesomeness. I am positively dying to see God's revenge + Friendship demolish Mr. Hype as it happens.

[Sea]

The revolution army supports Dragon.

[Kitsune Inferno]

No we don't

[Urouge]

I wasn't a big fan of simplifying the bounty equation for this round, but it seems to have worked out well. Good show Robby and Ubiq. :ninja:

[Sea]

This post is deleted!

[Kaze]

I am Justice. which makes me Akainu :]

[piratemarimo]

@captain:

(lol a dick on wheels)
but in your case it should have more penies..(and also explonding ones)
ahahaha
and kitsune..this sig was basead on what i fell about the members,or how they behave on the forums

You know what the interesting thing is? this one site said that some of the Star's opposing cards are Devil, Tower, and Moon, which according to the chart means Chrissie, Kairouseki, and Vepe (makes no sense). The Fool is the only one you have listed which is supposed to be reinforcing to me, but that's Robby. Did you make this list before or after Robby's evil twin took over? :ninja:

This still doesn't help solve the mystery of whether Sea or Kitsune is better for me at all. Sea stole me away from Kitsune after all. :ninja:

on topic: The match tomorrow is going to be epic.

[asm00200]

i hope the next game will be close, with DD winning obviously.

[Outerspec]

I'm sensing a Whitebeard vs. Bon final.

[Kitsune Inferno]

Kitsune was your friend from the start though, Marimo.

[Robby]

@Outerspec:

I'm sensing a Whitebeard vs. Bon final.

I wish people would stop saying that.

Fate hates know it alls.

He'll random draw them together sooner just to spite us all.

[piratemarimo]

@Kitsune:

Kitsune was your friend from the start though, Marimo.

Friendship is so moving… :cwy:

So explain to me how a friend lets his student get captured so easily by Sea. I mean, he literally just walked up and snatched me away. As soon as you solve the mystery behind the bounty numbers, you'll come save me right? I can only assume that's the reason why I'm still a hostage.

[Sea]

This post is deleted!

[Outerspec]

@RobbyBevard:

I wish people would stop saying that.

Fate hates know it alls.

He'll random draw them together sooner just to spite us all.

I can see the truth in that. I always thought Fate was a she though. Unless you were referring to one of the mods will randomly draw them together and the mod will be a he. I guess it all depends on how you view Fate.

[taboo]

Who cares about a bunch of fakey made up bounty images

! a bunch of queer dumbos, that's who