This has been an emotional roller coaster for me. With all the events happening in this Arc it is turning out to be my personal favorite arc. Used to be the davy back fight. It seems One Piece is getting better and better.
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I know what you mean. Water 7 is turning out better and better. And this last chapter got me all giddy and excited. Sorry for the cliche, but it's almost the beginning of the end~!
My guess is that we're gonna start the final battles soon; and I just can't wait. I can't tell you how many scenerios I've thought up in my head about how the arc should end. (But I'm sure Oda will surpass all my lame ideas. :P) USOPP AND ROBIN MUST COME BACK~! -
Sorry for the cliche, but it's almost the beginning of the end~
If you mean of the arc, that's fine, but thinking of that in terms of the series makes me a little sad.
But yeah, Water 7 is wonderful. I'm not sure how it can get any better.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 25 2005, 10:54 PM
**> Sorry for the cliche, but it's almost the beginning of the end~If you mean of the arc, that's fine, but thinking of that in terms of the series makes me a little sad.
[snapback]96643[/snapback]**Oh, not the series! Of course not! In my opinion, I believe we're still FAR from the end. (Besides, Luffy still needs to find a muscian. :P) I hope One Piece goes on for a lot longer than this.
I just meant the arc 'cause the arc is going to end, but in my opinion, just not right now (or at least not soon). We still have to get thru a whole lot more battles before that happens. But now that Luffy and Co. are just about at Enies Lobby, the final battles are going to start. That's what I meant. -
OK, I thought so. I think the whole story is probably half-way through.
I really, really want to see how they manage to put the crew back together, who they take as a new crewmate (if they do), and of course, the new ship. So many things to come. Defeating the bad guys, of course, but that just seems more like an obstacle to the REAL problems, if you know what I mean. -
this is prob the best arc for an incredible amoutn of reasons…resolving a crewmemeber's past along with gaining a new one..and the most greatest villain alive imo. and this will be prob one of the biggest turning points ever...just ever...and shouldnt this thread go in general?..since this could be both for manag and anime???
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eh, half? you sure? it still almost feels like they just started their pirate journey. they were rookies when they entered the grand line, and are still despite bounties and accomplishments rookies as they only passed a few islands on the grand line.
Half is way out of the question x.x
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I've heard a number of people say that Oda said they have in fact reached the halfway point of something, but whether it's just the half of the Grand Line or half of the story, I'm not sure…because those are two different things, obviously. I don't want One Piece to end soon, but then, I don't want it to go on TOO long either.
Just as long as it ends when it's supposed to end, with no outside pressure. -
My thoughts exactly CosmicDebris! ^_^
I'm also interested in how Oda's gonna solve the crew's problems. I want to see how he's gonna put the crew back together. There's just so much going on, it can get kind of overwhelming. I think the crew is going to get another member, but that's just my opinion. I wouldn't mind another person on board. (Or else Oda could just be throwing us a curve ball like he did with Vivi.)
Cries I DON'T WANT THE STRAW HATS TO GET ANOTHER SHIP~!!!! Ahem. Sorry; I'm still crying over the Going Merry. -
Yeah, I'm still sad about Merry too…I supposed it's POSSIBLE still that there's some way it can be saved, but at this point it would be worse to play with our emotions like that. Plus, when you think about it, they really do need to get a bigger, more powerful ship if theyr'e going to continue to surive. And I think Franky is the one who'll do it, since his mentor built Roger's ship, and it's his dream to build a great ship too. I think it's great how Oda cares for the ship so much and he knows how the fans do too, that he created this whole scenario. And that's another reason why it ticks me off so much when people bash Usopp for not wanting to give up Merry.
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Water 7 was my favorite arc. It's dark, angesty, wild plot twist, and emotional. Frist they were looking for a shipwigth yet many tricky things kept happening in every chapter. The final battle has left us guessing and shaking.
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Water 7 is just.. ugh. Cannot describe. First time I actually saw the place I was already bedazzled by it, and when the plot twists and angst came it had me shaking through out every chapter. Much love for Oda. I say we hail him now.
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I could be wrong, but at the beginning of episode 236, Luffy VS Usopp, it sounds like Usopp's saying "Merry Go". Have they changed it's name over time? Because I also watched episode 31 where Usopp, Zoro, and Johnny find their ship and Usopp definitely calls it "Going Merry."
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Originally posted by Horn Point@Jul 26 2005, 08:46 AM
I could be wrong, but at the beginning of episode 236, Luffy VS Usopp, it sounds like Usopp's saying "Merry Go". Have they changed it's name over time? Because I also watched episode 31 where Usopp, Zoro, and Johnny find their ship and Usopp definitely calls it "Going Merry."
[snapback]96920[/snapback]They say "Merry Gou" correct me if i am wrong. But i have no idea what it means :(.
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Originally posted by Jennero+Jul 26 2005, 05:21 PM–>QUOTE(Jennero @ Jul 26 2005, 05:21 PM)
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I believe it means ship or something.
Anyway, people are sad over the Merry?
It was sad when they said it couldn't be repaired, but I like the idea of getting a new ship. -
I remember one day, though I don't feel this way now, I was thinking about how much it must feel they're losing by dropping Merry, and I'm rarely sympathetic. o.o
I still, do like the idea of a new ship, but I can see why people'd be so sad over merry having to be dropped.
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There was a song in my OP soundtrack where the lyrics went:
"Susume Merry-Gou, Going Merry-Gou…"
Alas, I have no idea what it means. XD But it's proof that they didn't change the name, it was there all along. Perhaps it is like calling someone 'dear', I think.
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Originally posted by meethz@Jul 26 2005, 10:09 AM
**There was a song in my OP soundtrack where the lyrics went:"Susume Merry-Gou, Going Merry-Gou…"**
I think it means recomend Merry or something along those lines.
I am sad that Merry is leaving. They are getting a new ship and i wonder what it could be. I hope it will stand out like the Merry did.
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Yeah. Hopefully the new ship will be as unique as the Going Merry. And who bashes Usopp?! I was more on Usopp's side when Luffy and Usopp were fighting, though my shock was out-weighing cheering for Usopp. I was like, "NO! You can't fight!"
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I've seen the full title as "Going Merry Gou". Someone told me the "gou" designates the name of the ship, like "the", but I don't know…
Yeah, there's a lot of Usopp bashers, we hates them, Preciousssss.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 26 2005, 03:35 PM
Yeah, there's a lot of Usopp bashers, we hates them, Preciousssss.
[snapback]97138[/snapback]Poor Usopp…
Don't worry Usopp! I would never bash you~! Goes all fangirly even though her favorite characters are Sanji and Zoro
Usopp: :blink: And you are…?Ahem, anyways. I can't wait for the next chapter to come out.
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Usopp is entitled to his opinion. I know how he feels abandoning something. It seems he valued the Merry more then his friendship with Luffy. Well that is just my opinion. I would like to hear more.
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Originally posted by Jennero@Jul 26 2005, 06:25 PM
Usopp is entitled to his opinion. I know how he feels abandoning something. It seems he valued the Merry more then his friendship with Luffy. Well that is just my opinion. I would like to hear more.
[snapback]97279[/snapback]I don't think he necessarily valued Going Merry more, just that he thought that Luffy was being unreasonably unfair. No matter how much you like someone, if you think they're being unfair you get pissed. Luffy turned on Zoro aswell at Whiskey Peak cuz he thought Zoro had done something wrong.. albeit it never became this grave ofcourse.
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Originally posted by jackvance+Jul 26 2005, 08:15 PM–>QUOTE(jackvance @ Jul 26 2005, 08:15 PM)
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Only people I've seen hate Usopp, like Chopper, have never even seen an episode and think they're too weird looking. A friend of mine even mocked Chopper's hat. I actually prefer those weird looking non-mainstream pretty characters sometimes because there's far too many of them, but then again, I kinda like Robin and Nami.
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Originally posted by Horn Point@Jul 26 2005, 11:19 PM
Only people I've seen hate Usopp, like Chopper, have never even seen an episode and think they're too weird looking. A friend of mine even mocked Chopper's hat. I actually prefer those weird looking non-mainstream pretty characters sometimes because there's far too many of them, but then again, I kinda like Robin and Nami.
[snapback]97624[/snapback]I do like the new outfits everyone has. Especially Robin's and Nami's hehe.
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Originally posted by FairyCowsGoMOO+Jul 26 2005, 06:25 PM–>QUOTE(FairyCowsGoMOO @ Jul 26 2005, 06:25 PM) _> Originally posted by jackvance@Jul 26 2005, 08:15 PM
Usopp is entitled to his opinion. I know how he feels abandoning something. It seems he valued the Merry more then his friendship with Luffy. Well that is just my opinion. I would like to hear more.
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I don't think he necessarily valued Going Merry more, just that he thought that Luffy was being unreasonably unfair. No matter how much you like someone, if you think they're being unfair you get pissed. Luffy turned on Zoro aswell at Whiskey Peak cuz he thought Zoro had done something wrong.. albeit it never became this grave ofcourse.
[snapback]97351[/snapback]Yeah. Both thought that they were making a good decision. However, since neither backed down from what they thought was right, they ended up fighting.
[snapback]97365[/snapback]Yeah, that's the gist of it. Usopp definately didn't value Merry more than his friendship with Luffy; that seems to be a common mistake for some people to think. What happened is that Usopp suddenly became very disillusioned at Luffy because, to him, Merry was a nakama just the same as he, or Nami, or Zoro, or whoever, and Luffy just nonchalantly decided it was time to cast her aside (I know he wasn't really nonchalante about it, but that's all Usopp was able to see at that time). Just imagine if another crewmate was injured in a way that made him or her usless, and Luffy decided to leave him/her behind to die. OF COURSE he would never do that, but that's the way Usopp saw it. The conversation Usopp has with Franky about that and the Klabautermann is very enlightening. To us and to him. ;)_
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It is a shame that Usopp and Luffy and to settle it with a duel. Now with Usopp gone Zoro talks about Usopp in a vulgar way about him. In ep237 you can see what i mean.
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what :blink:
what does he say ?
i cant remember that zoro was badmouthing usopp in the manga. -
I don't know, but I never seen Zoro saying bad things about Usopp. For me, my personal opinion (don't want you all to think of it as criticism though from what I saw in your opinion), Water Seven is one of the worst arc from what I saw. Like, a lot of seperation, the group didn't united as usual, it's seem really bad to me.
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Luffy inchelerty decided to cast the ship away, which made Usopp thinks Luffy was out of his mind, that's because he was not in the shipyard to hear the shipwigth's comment on the ship and Luffy's reaction.
Yet Luffy loves the ship but he knew that the ship would sink, Luffy have no choice. Yet Luffy blared out like if Usopp would understand thus letting his stupidty carry him away.
Having to think Luffy would listen to "strangers" and not his friends, Usopp decided that he should quit the crew and keep the Going Marry. Luffy on the other hand did not think about Usopp's reaction, if Luffy would hd waited untie Usopp gets better and explian him everything without looking througth the ship catalouges, Usopp would understand clearly. Luffy too of course did not want to give up the ship but Usopp did not know that.
Yet as a result, Usopp lost his trust with Luffy, he sees that his briefs don't match Luffy's briefs.
Unless Luffy apologize and admit he blew it, Usopp would see that Luffy cared and apologize back and become friends again. Usopp knew the ship was broken yet he sees the ship as almost a real person, Usopp wants to take care of it which shows his courage and care, he can do that to his friends I if they don't give up too easily.
Yet after the dual, the result hurted Luffy; he cries because he lost a friend. Because his stupidty ruins everything; spent 32 chapters getting all gothy it seems that he blames himself for the dual, yet Luffy should learn from that.
Surely, this was a good thing because by the time they reunited, their friendship and trust becomes storng. I can see that yet the Going Marry is gone and Usopp has nothing to stand up for, yet why they did he still acts stubborn on the Puffing Tom and says he is no longer in the crew? I guess the only one who can convice him for good is going to be Luffy.
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Originally posted by Jennero@Jul 27 2005, 02:24 AM
It is a shame that Usopp and Luffy and to settle it with a duel. Now with Usopp gone Zoro talks about Usopp in a vulgar way about him. In ep237 you can see what i mean.
[snapback]97671[/snapback]What? Zoro talked bad about Usopp?! :blink: Zoro wouldn't do something like that. What'd he say?
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_Originally posted by Jennero+Jul 27 2005, 12:24 AM–>QUOTE(Jennero @ Jul 27 2005, 12:24 AM)It is a shame that Usopp and Luffy and to settle it with a duel. Now with Usopp gone Zoro talks about Usopp in a vulgar way about him. In ep237 you can see what i mean.
[snapback]97671[/snapback]What? He does not. Where did you get this from? All he did was tell Chopper not to talk about him. It was a little cold, but not vulgar.
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Yet as a result, Usopp lost his trust with Luffy, he sees that his briefs don't match Luffy's briefs.__Usopp wears boxors! Haha, sorry, couldn't resist. :lol: I know you meant beliefs.
Unless Luffy apologize and admit he blew it, Usopp would see that Luffy cared and apologize back and become friends again. Usopp knew the ship was broken yet he sees the ship as almost a real person, Usopp wants to take care of it which shows his courage and care, he can do that to his friends I if they don't give up too easily.
Luffy did apologize for saying Usopp should leave, but the damage was already done at that point. What Usopp really needed to hear at that point wasn't an apology, but some encouragement and a reassurance that Luffy's decisions can be trusted, because Usopp was feeling useless himself. Luffy should not have stooped to the level of yelling and name-calling and pulling the "my way or the highway" in the first place. I mean, he went and made this big captain's decision, and then he was acting like a child when he was challenged on it. It is just as much of the captain's responsibility, and also his responsibility as a friend, to keep his nakama together. It's a very ironic situation, because Luffy was really thinking with the right motives. He didn't want to lose his friends, and the decision he made based on that caused him to lose one. And Usopp was willing to lose all of his friends just to save the life of one. This was all in vain in the end, for everyone.
Surely, this was a good thing because by the time they reunited, their friendship and trust becomes storng.
I agree, I think that in terms of the story this is one of the most awesome things that ever happened. Someone said Water 7 seems like the worst arc because of all these bad things happening, but you can't have a good story without bad things happening to stir up angst and dramatic tension, and character development, unless you only like light-hearted comedy. You know that old saying, what doesn't kill us will make us stronger. The Strawhats are close to being destroyed, but they will survive and come out even stronger._
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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I agree, I think that in terms of the story this is one of the most awesome things that ever happened. Someone said Water 7 seems like the worst arc because of all these bad things happening, but you can't have a good story without bad things happening to stir up angst and dramatic tension, and character development, unless you only like light-hearted comedy. You know that old saying, what doesn't kill us will make us stronger. The Strawhats are close to being destroyed, but they will survive and come out even stronger.
Right on CosmicDebris!
After this arc is over, they'll be much more loyal to each other and more nakama than ever.
This arc can also go under the "we learn from our mistakes" category. I doubt any of the Straw Hats would want to go thru another fight and seperation. After all this is over, they'll learn to talk things out when making a big decision (such as switching ships) and to listen to one another's views before doing anything. -
Yeah, I think the big lesson for them all, really, is that no matter what, there's nothing that is worth losing each other. They belong together. I'm really glad that they are dealing with this issue. When Usopp mentioned that they he didn't really have a bond other than being asked to join the crew, when you think about it, he's no different from anyone else. Luffy made Zoro promise to join if he got his swords back. Luffy just insisted Sanji join immediately, and he agreed mostly because he wanted to see All Blue. Nami had a more personal connection with Luffy from defeating Arlong, but really, they all kind of joined in a strange incidental fashion, but it's everything that they've been through SINCE then that created the bond.
Luffy, Robin, and Usopp need to listen to Pat Benatar. XD
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Originally posted by FairyCowsGoMOO@Jul 27 2005, 02:30 PM
**> I agree, I think that in terms of the story this is one of the most awesome things that ever happened. Someone said Water 7 seems like the worst arc because of all these bad things happening, but you can't have a good story without bad things happening to stir up angst and dramatic tension, and character development, unless you only like light-hearted comedy. You know that old saying, what doesn't kill us will make us stronger. The Strawhats are close to being destroyed, but they will survive and come out even stronger.Right on CosmicDebris!
After this arc is over, they'll be much more loyal to each other and more nakama than ever.
This arc can also go under the "we learn from our mistakes" category. I doubt any of the Straw Hats would want to go thru another fight and seperation. After all this is over, they'll learn to talk things out when making a big decision (such as switching ships) and to listen to one another's views before doing anything.
[snapback]98000[/snapback]**That's rigth, it's like clay, you make a clay figure but if you see a hole in it you break it and malt it with fire, after that you remake the clay figurine again this time better then the last one, it's like you forge a sword to make it stronger that's excally what's going on. Yet on the Puffing Tom Usopp still say he was not the part of the crew anymore but he comes back with a new pride: Sogeking. Yet seems that Usopp will revaled himself to Luffy after the battle with the CP9.
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In my opinion, I believe this will be the real turning point in One Piece. Mainly because they'll know just how strong the WG really is, people will finally realise the greatness of the Straw Hats, with everyone knowing who they are. No more "bah, the WG gives bounties to anyone" or "they made those wanted posters themselves". All the crew will have a much stronger relationship and have the confidence to go all the way. Plus any new people that join will be an added bonus.
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 27 2005, 02:19 PM
**What? He does not. Where did you get this from? All he did was tell Chopper not to talk about him. It was a little cold, but not vulgar.[snapback]97992[/snapback]**
I hope Zoro don't get all awey when Luffy and Usopp meets up again
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Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jul 27 2005, 02:02 PM
I hope Zoro don't get all awey when Luffy and Usopp meets up again
[snapback]98028[/snapback]What is "awey" :huh:
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris+Jul 28 2005, 12:04 AM–>QUOTE(CosmicDebris @ Jul 28 2005, 12:04 AM)
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 27 2005, 03:43 PM
**Yeah, I think the big lesson for them all, really, is that no matter what, there's nothing that is worth losing each other. They belong together. I'm really glad that they are dealing with this issue. When Usopp mentioned that they he didn't really have a bond other than being asked to join the crew, when you think about it, he's no different from anyone else. Luffy made Zoro promise to join if he got his swords back. Luffy just insisted Sanji join immediately, and he agreed mostly because he wanted to see All Blue. Nami had a more personal connection with Luffy from defeating Arlong, but really, they all kind of joined in a strange incidental fashion, but it's everything that they've been through SINCE then that created the bond.Luffy, Robin, and Usopp need to listen to Pat Benatar. XD
[snapback]98009[/snapback]**Hmm… I never thought of it that way. But you make a good point CosmicDebris. (BTW, Pat Benatar rocks~! :P)
In my opinion, I believe this will be the real turning point in One Piece. Mainly because they'll know just how strong the WG really is, people will finally realise the greatness of the Straw Hats, with everyone knowing who they are. No more "bah, the WG gives bounties to anyone" or "they made those wanted posters themselves". All the crew will have a much stronger relationship and have the confidence to go all the way. Plus any new people that join will be an added bonus.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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It was how he said it. He didnt use Usopp;s name. He used the vulgar form of the word him in japanese. That is what i ment.
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It was how he said it. He didnt use Usopp;s name. He used the vulgar form of the word him in japanese. That is what i ment.
I don't recall anything like that. Are you fluent in Japanese? If so, can you explain to me exactly what he said?
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Originally posted by Thedevil+Jul 27 2005, 03:20 PM–>QUOTE(Thedevil @ Jul 27 2005, 03:20 PM) _> Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 28 2005, 12:04 AM
**I hope Zoro don't get all awey when Luffy and Usopp meets up again
[snapback]98028[/snapback]What is "awey" :huh:
[snapback]98032[/snapback]**Same question here maybe he ment emotional ???
[snapback]98042[/snapback]I think I misspelled it. I think I mean "arwy" or "arwey".
Anyway I hope Zoro don't go like this:
Luffy: Usopp! I'm so sorry.
Usopp: Luffy! I'm so sorry too!
Zoro: Oh come on, frist you dickheads were figthing like wolves and now your making up? Oh please my ass….
Luffy+Usopp: SHUT THE FUCK UP ZORO!!!
Zoro: o...kay....(whimpers).
Usopp: Next time, punch him to the moon.
Luffy: I agree.Anyway Jennero, what did Zoro say? Did he say "Don't talk about that shithead"?_
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I also wonder. Zoro maybe used "kisama" or something for Mr.1, but not Usopp.
And the word you're looking for is "awry," joe.
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Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jul 27 2005, 04:17 PM
I think I misspelled it. I think I mean "arwy" or "arwey".I still don't know what word you're trying to use. :blink:
**Anyway I hope Zoro don't go like this:
Luffy: Usopp! I'm so sorry.
Usopp: Luffy! I'm so sorry too!
Zoro: Oh come on, frist you dickheads were figthing like wolves and now your making up? Oh please my ass….
Luffy+Usopp: SHUT THE FUCK UP ZORO!!!
Zoro: o...kay....(whimpers).
Usopp: Next time, punch him to the moon.
Luffy: I agree.**Uh, no, Zoro isn't that kind of person, he would never say something like that. And Luffy and Usopp wouldn't talk like that either.
I think that even though Zoro doesn't show any emotion in the issue, he'll be happy to see things patched up.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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i hope zoro has a good fight…cause i loved his fight with mr.1..and since then, i havent really seen a good fight with him since...but this arc is so good that idc..just hope oda can keep it together
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Originally posted by CosmicDebris+Jul 27 2005, 06:24 PM–>QUOTE(CosmicDebris @ Jul 27 2005, 06:24 PM)
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Originally posted by FairyCowsGoMOO+Jul 27 2005, 05:59 PM–>QUOTE(FairyCowsGoMOO @ Jul 27 2005, 05:59 PM) _> Originally posted by CosmicDebris@Jul 27 2005, 06:24 PM
**I think I misspelled it. I think I mean "arwy" or "arwey".
I still don't know what word you're trying to use. :blink:
**Anyway I hope Zoro don't go like this:
Luffy: Usopp! I'm so sorry.
Usopp: Luffy! I'm so sorry too!
Zoro: Oh come on, frist you dickheads were figthing like wolves and now your making up? Oh please my ass….
Luffy+Usopp: SHUT THE FUCK UP ZORO!!!
Zoro: o...kay....(whimpers).
Usopp: Next time, punch him to the moon.
Luffy: I agree.**Uh, no, Zoro isn't that kind of person, he would never say something like that. And Luffy and Usopp wouldn't talk like that either.
I think that even though Zoro doesn't show any emotion in the issue, he'll be happy to see things patched up.
[snapback]98191[/snapback]**"Awry" is the right word, ne? It means like "gone wrong" or "not as planned".
And I agree with Cosmic. Zoro would never talk about one of his nakama that way (maybe Sanji, but we all know he doesn't mean it).
I was a little put off that Zoro didn't show much emotion to the "Luffy VS. Usopp" issue, but then again, he's just being Zoro. (These are times I wish the characters were a little OOC sometimes. But that's where fanfics come in! :P) But Zoro, as well as everyone else, will be glad when everything is back to normal again.BTW, I love how Franky cries over the Straw Hat's issue, too. Like when Usopp told him what happened, he started crying. :lol: It cracked me up.
[snapback]98217[/snapback]Ok I got the point, and yeah Franky cracks me up this why I like Franky_
