New theory!
Smoker is blind.
New theory!
Smoker is blind.
I think there will be a place for the new admirals, though Im not sure who they are going to be with Aokiji and Akainu being promoted. I would think Akainu would want people under him that follow his Absolute Justice ideal, like Onigumo.
I certainly hope so. I reached a point where I'm fine with the new Admiral even if it's a completely new character not an existing one (not one of the VAs). Except for Magellan. I'd hate to see him as an Admiral (not that I hate him, but I find it really illogical).
@DemonX:
The hats are probably there just to give them a more interesting character design… it isn´t something everybody wears :)
And new Admirals, whoever they are, will surely play a role. Really looking forward to seeing who´s got promoted!
Haha, the hats are the best thing about these guys. I especially love the bucket.
It's really refreshing to see Marines like this. I do hope we'll get to know more about the lovely base of G-5
I'm with you with that one. I cannot wait for Oda to reveal that for us. Even just one panel would be enough to make me cry double rainbows very excited!
@Ryuksgelus:
Bogart for Admiral.
I fully support this.
I'm actually rooting for Doberman and/or Strawberry. They seem to have a lot of potential and they're my favourites. Then of course, Onigumo is the most likely and that's fine by me.
Yamakaji, Bogart and Horny are the ones that would be awesomely surprising but hell, I doubt it.
One last thing: seeing as how many strange human types there are, I already got used to Strawberry being a freaky long-head or whatever they're called. I still would want to know how he does certain actions like sleeping and going into rooms with lower ceilings. What if the top of his head starts to itch?
Speaking of Bogart was he present at the War?
^Nope.
One last thing: seeing as how many strange human types there are, I already got used to Strawberry being a freaky long-head or whatever they're called. I still would want to know how he does certain actions like sleeping and going into rooms with lower ceilings. What if the top of his head starts to itch?
He's a Vice Admiral, Nolus. He would just get some random marine to climb on a ladder and help him out.
Speaking of Bogart was he present at the War?
As far as I know, no.
He's a Vice Admiral, Nolus. He would just get some random marine to climb on a ladder and help him out.
I read your comment in a totally serious voice… you made me laugh
Can I put this in my sig?
As far as I know, no.
I read your comment in a totally serious voice… you made me laugh
Can I put this in my sig?
Sure, go ahead lol.
So I wonder if Hina is now a VA too?
I wonder if Marines can get demoted. Smoker is Garp.
@Sonic:
New theory!
Smoker is blind.
It all makes sense now.
So I wonder if Hina is now a VA too?
It's possible, but I'm betting on her being a Rear Admiral instead.
@Sonic:
New theory!
Smoker is blind.
If this was true, I would like to see him complaining about Tashigi's bad vision just for the irony.
What if there aren't any new Admirals?
If there were, Oda would've said something about it already. But he didn't. Why? The "fact" that Aokiji and Akainu's spots were filled by someone else wouldn't be a surprise to us since we know that their spots are vacant. The real surprise is WHO replaced them. Oda could mention that in a line or two through Jinbei, but he didn't. Plus, I don't see much of a point in making Onigumo and Doberman (or someone else) Admirals just so they will get defeated at some point, lose their position for Coby (who WILL become an Admiral) to replace one of them.
So maybe there aren't new Admirals.
What if there aren't any new Admirals?
If there were, Oda would've said something about it already. But he didn't. Why? The "fact" that Aokiji and Akainu's spots were filled by someone else wouldn't be a surprise to us since we know that their spots are vacant. The real surprise is WHO replaced them. Oda could mention that in a line or two through Jinbei, but he didn't. Plus, I don't see much of a point in making Onigumo and Doberman (or someone else) Admirals just so they will get defeated at some point, lose their position for Coby (who WILL become an Admiral) to replace one of them.
So maybe there aren't new Admirals.
That's what I'm afraid of to be honest.
However, the likelihood of new Admiral(s) has a very strong root in my opinion.
Just think about it this way: after the war, the Marines have lost many brave men and women; one of the Admirals, the Fleet Admiral and the hero, Garp went away. Akainu is the new FA. So basically, for simple people it looks like that 3 of the strongest characters "disappeared" and their spots are currently empty making 3 gaping holes. What would a simple man think? "The Marines are weaker. There's only one Admiral instead of 3" etc.
So, it'd be most logical for the Marines to promote one or two VAs into Admirals to make people feel that they're as strong, if not stronger, than before, even if those two new Admirals won't meet the "old requirements".
In short: new Admirals would be there to show that the Marines are still strong and making sure that pirates think twice of pirating left and right. Also that people feel safe and won't doubt their power.
I think this is the only reason we can have one or two new Admirals. Otherwise, I doubt any of the VAs are as strong as Aokiji/Akainu or Kizaru.
Also, this is why I doubt the new Admiral(s) (or even VAs) will play a serious role story-wise.
That's what I'm afraid of to be honest.
However, the likelihood of new Admiral(s) has a very strong root in my opinion.
Just think about it this way: after the war, the Marines have lost many brave men and women; one of the Admirals, the Fleet Admiral and the hero, Garp went away. Akainu is the new FA. So basically, for simple people it looks like that 3 of the strongest characters "disappeared" and their spots are currently empty making 3 gaping holes. What would a simple man think? "The Marines are weaker. There's only one Admiral instead of 3" etc.
So, it'd be most logical for the Marines to promote one or two VAs into Admirals to make people feel that they're as strong, if not stronger, than before, even if those two new Admirals won't meet the "old requirements".In short: new Admirals would be there to show that the Marines are still strong and making sure that pirates think twice of pirating left and right. Also that people feel safe and won't doubt their power.
I think this is the only reason we can have one or two new Admirals. Otherwise, I doubt any of the VAs are as strong as Aokiji/Akainu or Kizaru.
Also, this is why I doubt the new Admiral(s) (or even VAs) will play a serious role story-wise.
This is also a possibility. However, I doubt Akainu cares about the way the world looks at them, especially with his new possible reforms and policies, the more authority and power that he probably got from the government during the time skip.
I prefer to see Kizaru as the only Admirals instead of two new Admirals who got promoted just for the sake of retaining the marines' image. Plus, like I said already, we're told that the marines got stronger, so I don't think it really matters whether there're two new Admirals or not.
This is also a possibility. However, I doubt Akainu cares about the way the world looks at them, especially with his new possible reforms and policies, the more authority and power that he probably got from the government during the time skip.
I prefer to see Kizaru as the only Admirals instead of two new Admirals who got promoted just for the sake of retaining the marines' image. Plus, like I said already, we're told that the marines got stronger, so I don't think it really matters whether there're two new Admirals or not.
I can go with that, but I don't think it's only up to Akainu to decide whether to promote somebody or not. Maybe the Gorosei thought it was a necessary step in order not to cause panic ad such and they made a VA (or more) into an Admiral.
I guess Oda will be the one to put an end to this.
Kong stepped down and became a seat filler admiral, and the WG sent over one of their top men to fill the other hole.
Remember you heard this lunacy here first.
I want T-Bone back.
@Sonic:
I want T-Bone back.
I second this a hundred times.
T-Bone is my absolute favourite character. Also, he was hilarious. He deserves at least a cover-story. Or a comeback. Or an own series
Seriously, he would rip his own arm off just to save one of his men from being bitten by a mosquito.
This is also a possibility. However, I doubt Akainu cares about the way the world looks at them, especially with his new possible reforms and policies, the more authority and power that he probably got from the government during the time skip.
I prefer to see Kizaru as the only Admirals instead of two new Admirals who got promoted just for the sake of retaining the marines' image. Plus, like I said already, we're told that the marines got stronger, so I don't think it really matters whether there're two new Admirals or not.
With the way Akainu is, even if he doesn't care about the Marines' image (which I believe he does), he cares that the Marines are as strong as possible. He wants to strike fear into the hearts of pirates and criminals, and it would not look good to have only 1 admiral. Intimidating the enemy starts with your image. It's part of what goes into choosing a shichibukai. I figure the new Fleet Admiral being Akainu, who feels more strongly toward Absolute Justice than Sengoku, is a radical change to the Marines and more important than who the new admirals are.
Captain Morgan for Admiral!
Who thinks the G-5 marines are really bad? I think that while brutal to pirates and other criminals they care about civilians just as much as Hannybal and Magellan. It will be the G-1 marines who are more evil under Akainu's leadership that do all kinds of terrible acts to establish order in the New World. G-5 marines not following orders is a blessing and why Smoker and Tashigi can stand to be around them.
Who thinks the G-5 marines are really bad? I think that while brutal to pirates and other criminals they care about civilians just as much as Hannybal and Magellan. It will be the G-1 marines who are more evil under Akainu's leadership that do all kinds of terrible acts to establish order in the New World. G-5 marines not following orders is a blessing and why Smoker and Tashigi can stand to be around them.
I never thought they'd hurt civilians, however, I don't think they meet them regularly so they might not even have many opportunities for doing such things.
Maybe there are a few non-barbaric ones who keep in touch with citizens.
About the G-1 marines: Akainu may be ruthless with criminals and marines but I don't think he'd hurt innocent people unless they oppose the Marine in some way, but I doubt he can do that. This goes for the other marines as well.
I never thought they'd hurt civilians, however, I don't think they meet them regularly so they might not even have many opportunities for doing such things.
Maybe there are a few non-barbaric ones who keep in touch with citizens.About the G-1 marines: Akainu may be ruthless with criminals and marines but I don't think he'd hurt innocent people unless they oppose the Marine in some way, but I doubt he can do that. This goes for the other marines as well.
Forgetting Ohara? He killed civilians on the mere possibility an archaeologist was on the escape ship. Akainu is definitely a believer in killing one to save a thousand or a thousand to save a million and he doesn't even need sufficient reasoning to make such extreme decisions.
My point on the G-5 marines is that where G-1 marines are willing to go as far as their leadership deem necessary on jobs the G-5 marines will do what is right regardless of orders. They just have a bad rep because they are vicious to those who actually deserve it but overall good guys. Just the extreme kind of good.
Forgetting Ohara? He killed civilians on the mere possibility an archaeologist was on the escape ship. Akainu is definitely a believer in killing one to save a thousand or a thousand to save a million and he doesn't even need sufficient reasoning to make such extreme decisions.
My point on the G-5 marines is that where G-1 marines are willing to go as far as their leadership deem necessary on jobs the G-5 marines will do what is right regardless of orders. They just have a bad rep because they are vicious to those who actually deserve it but overall good guys. Just the extreme kind of good.
Agree with you concerning the G-5 marines.
Still, Ohara was an exceptional case. The WG doesn't discover islands or groups of such people every day. Of course if some men show up who are guilty in the eyes of "Absolute Justice", Akainu will surely make a step against them, no matter the cost or the morals. When I read your post, to be honest, I thought about regular people who don't break the "law". Of course if they oppose the WG, they won't be treated well by G-1 marines and Akainu.
Agree with you concerning the G-5 marines.
Still, Ohara was an exceptional case. The WG doesn't discover islands or groups of such people every day. Of course if some men show up who are guilty in the eyes of "Absolute Justice", Akainu will surely make a step against them, no matter the cost or the morals. When I read your post, to be honest, I thought about regular people who don't break the "law". Of course if they oppose the WG, they won't be treated well by G-1 marines and Akainu.
The marines now have greater leeway in determining who is guilty. Not really about Akainu but about all the impressionable, power/rank hungry, zealous, or downright corrupt marines employing their own brand of "Absolute Justice" where deem necessary all over the New World. Not all of them are going to be reasonable or even look for justification before doing extreme acts. Some just plain bad and they know it.
G-5 marines being the badass wild rogues righting wrongs one mutilated carcass at a time. Really hope Smoker has a consistent group besides Tashigi. Guess after the Smoker fight we'll see Coby at G-1.
The G-5 Marines also don't strike me as evil. They're just a bunch of crazy bastards (there's a difference) who are probably bitter for being stuck in that shithole for who knows so long.
The G5 are a bunch of smokers, it's the perfect place for the bespecled captain and her superior.
The marines now have greater leeway in determining who is guilty. Not really about Akainu but about all the impressionable, power/rank hungry, zealous, or downright corrupt marines employing their own brand of "Absolute Justice" where deem necessary all over the New World. Not all of them are going to be reasonable or even look for justification before doing extreme acts. Some just plain bad and they know it.
G-5 marines being the badass wild rogues righting wrongs one mutilated carcass at a time. Really hope Smoker has a consistent group besides Tashigi. Guess after the Smoker fight we'll see Coby at G-1.
So in the end, their justice will be no more than the greatest crime? Hm… sounds dark, but also believable.
If this is the case, there will surely be smaller revolutions against the marines, which will end in tear and blood. That can't go on forever. Maybe, in the end, the people will have to be protected against their protector. Or maybe those who are afraid to fight back or see no other way will flee to other islands; then, they'll also be killed by the ruthless scum who dare call themselves marines.
Or maybe I misinterpreted it. Surely.
Wait, Coby is at G-1? It seems logical, but can we be sure?
I was just guessing with Coby. Either Akainu sent him there to toughen up or die or he is under a close eye at G-1.
The G-5 Marines also don't strike me as evil. They're just a bunch of crazy bastards (there's a difference) who are probably bitter for being stuck in that shithole for who knows so long.
Figure they were sent to G-5 because they were always trouble makers and that is why it is a shithole. Either they do their job well or the marines loose undesirables. A win win for the marines.
So I guess Tashigi is the only woman there, right? I wouldn't want to be in her place.
Oh right. Confirmation Hina is at G-1….er Marineford. Damn changed locations. What will Akainu be called? Akainu by those most familiar with him or Fleet Admiral Sakazuki.
Oh right. Confirmation Hina is at G-1….er Marineford. Damn changed locations. What will Akainu be called? Akainu by those most familiar with him or Fleet Admiral Sakazuki.
Most likely Fleet Admiral sir, or Fleet Admiral Sakazuki, at least by marines.
Speaking of Akainu/Sakazuki, I wonder if people will keep calling Borsalino "Kizaru". With Sakazuki promoted and Kuzan gone, it would be weird if Borsalino kept being called by his epithet due to the thematic of the Three Admirals being destroyed.
I'm guessing that the one of the reasons why Aojiki called G-5 'troublesome' was cause the current the leads up into the new world is right where the base is located,so they have to deal with a constant stream of strong pirates.So the marines transfer psychopath marines there cause they like killing.
Speaking of Akainu/Sakazuki, I wonder if people will keep calling Borsalino "Kizaru". With Sakazuki promoted and Kuzan gone, it would be weird if Borsalino kept being called by his epithet due to the thematic of the Three Admirals being destroyed.
Kizaru is still his code name. Don't see how his compatriots being gone changes that.
hey, remember Smoke had frightening rep too, so the rumors about G-5 may be exaggerated, besides Smoker does not seem to be the kind of lead that allow his men to torture or kill people without purpose.
For what we've seen thus far G-5 are ass ugly, a bit perverted and rowdy, showing my-pace attitude but capable in battles. We've also seen them looming menacingly over captured pirates, but we haven't seen them doing any harm, so maybe they were doing it intimidate the criminals, for them to split the truth.
Frankly, I'm actually starting to like those guys
Kizaru is still his code name. Don't see how his compatriots being gone changes that.
What about Kuzan then? Now that he's not part of the Marines, it wouldn't feel right to call him by his code name.
I wouldn't be surprised that the reputation the G-5 marines have for torturing pirates is a front and serves as a way to intimidate pirates. Judging from the latest chapter, they strike me as lovable rag-tag group of misfits.
What about Kuzan then? Now that he's not part of the Marines, it wouldn't feel right to call him by his code name.
He's been called Kuzan plenty of times so it won't be weird to here it more often just like it won't be weird to here Blackbeard more often than Teach from now on. Kizaru is still a marine though.
He's been called Kuzan plenty of times so it won't be weird to here it more often just like it won't be weird to here Blackbeard more often than Teach from now on. Kizaru is still a marine though.
I thought that Akainu, Kizaru, and Aokiji were the code names and Sakazuki, Borsalino, and Kuzan were their real names
I thought that Akainu, Kizaru, and Aokiji were the code names and Sakazuki, Borsalino, and Kuzan were their real names
That's how it is.
A friend of mine had an idea about who will be a new admiral.
He suggested that Magellan could now have that position, because after being "defeated" in ID he may considered to give his warden title away and is now hunting down the former inmates.
I also agree that we have to see him again because he still is a top-tier fighter who has to be defeated in the usual way and after working as a warden he sure can have a high rank in the marine.
@Don:
A friend of mine had an idea about who will be a new admiral.
He suggested that Magellan could now have that position, because after being "defeated" in ID he may considered to give his warden title away and is now hunting down the former inmates.
I also agree that we have to see him again because he still is a top-tier fighter who has to be defeated in the usual way and after working as a warden he sure can have a high rank in the marine.
The only problem I have with this theory is that he would basically skip every rank, only due to his immense power. I don't think it works like that, with Smoker and Hina being a Commodore/Captain 2 years ago (ranks that don't represent their fighting skills at all).
While we could argue that Smoker's behavior was the reason for his inappropriate rank, the same doesn't really go for Hina…
But I could certainly picture Magellan as some sort of vigilante, like Mihawk. (Magellan for first kickass bounty hunter?)
I don't think he should be a marine. He can hunt down those bastards without that title. Admirals are needed for other kinds of things.
Also, as mentioned above, rank skipping would be strange. Especially when we have a bucketful of Vice-Admirals waiting for a raisepromotion.
The only problem I have with this theory is that he would basically skip every rank, only due to his immense power. I don't think it works like that, with Smoker and Hina being a Commodore/Captain 2 years ago (ranks that don't represent their fighting skills at all).
While we could argue that Smoker's behavior was the reason for his inappropriate rank, the same doesn't really go for Hina…But I could certainly picture Magellan as some sort of vigilante, like Mihawk. (Magellan for first kickass bounty hunter?)
When I read this I sorta began thinking that Smoker's promotion sorta reflects the new attitude of the Marines thanks to Akainu being in charge, that is going on the offensive. I mean Smoker to me seems Akainu-ish, in terms of how he does his job. He probably isn't as hardcore as Akainu, but he is as dedicated to dealing with Piracy as Akainu is, especially when it comes to Luffy.
I don't think he should be a marine. He can hunt down those bastards without that title. Admirals are needed for other kinds of things.
Also, as mentioned above, rank skipping would be strange. Especially when we have a bucketful of Vice-Admirals waiting for a
raisepromotion.
He wouldn't be promoted to Admiral straight away after ditching his warden job. He'd start reasonable high like Commodore or Rear Admiral and has had two years to work his way up.
I would also say that being the chief warden was already a high position which was entrusted to him.
Maybe the WG does decide who gets that position but working in ID could be something similiar like a different branch of the marine.
i posted this in the wrong thread previously i guess.. dunno if this thread wud be correct.. here's my theory about Aokiji's 2 year hiatus..
i really suspect tht Aokiji has been with the Revolutionaries during the timeskip after quitting marines. a disillusioned ex-admiral is exactly the kind of person Dragon wud wanna recruit against the WG. the revolutionaries r pretty up to date with current affairs around the world.. so they wud have known about Aokiji resigning perhaps the very next day. we know for sure tht robin was with them and tht aokiji nd robin share quite a history between them. Aokiji has helped Robin in the past and although Robin may think she owes him nothing but still.. she may have seen him as a huge asset to the revolutionaries. Aokiji on the other hand feels responsible, perhaps due to Saul, to see how Robin's life turns out to be and has said this before himself. upon learning tht Robin was with Dragon, he may have atleast given an audience to Dragon's arguments or perhaps Robin may have been the one who convinced Aokiji in the first place.
the fact tht Aokiji has not been seen for around 2 years by anyone is quite a glaring oversight to me. how can a person with such a phenomenal presence like Aokiji disappear jst like tht? he has not been seen or heard about by anyone for 2 years does not means tht he is alone out ther. someone has to know nd is doing a great job keeping it a secret but who else are better operating in secrecy than the revolutionaries? i am not saying tht Aokiji is now playing an active part in their campaign against the WG or even providing them valuable intel.. he may be jst lazing his time waiting fer robin to leave eventually who knows..
all i'm trying to say is tht the revolutionaries can keep a person wishing to disappear hidden for as long as he wants if they really want to and do it better than anyone else on their own. Also its quite suspicious tht Robin was the only member missing from the scene whn Jinbe was updating SHC about the whole Aokiji vs Akainu affair and then Aokiji's subsequent resignation.. she was very conveniently away from the scene talking with Neptune about the princess so no one bothered about tht. if she wud have been ther with the rest of them.. she may have gone like… aah tht? he was with us all along... no biggie.. :P she has not whispered a word about luffy's father or the revolutionaries since getting together. i admit none of the others have talked much about their 2 years training much too but she cud atleast say your dad says "hi.. "
How is Smoker on the wrong side?
He is a marine, they are the good guys.
Now their might be corrupt people in the Marines, but that don't make them evil. Think of real world. Smoker is a detective in the police. He is the good guy, now sure their may be corrupt cops, or corrupt officials, hell even corrupt politicians, but that don't mean that the system is wrong. Smoker when he see's who is corrupt, like any good detective would work to get that corrupt person thrown in jail, just like a pirate or a crook.
One Piece is essentially a dystopia. The Marines are the Bad side. It's not so simple of course since lots of pirates are worse. However remember that most of the top Marines participated in burning books. This is not some corrupt group, most of the top marines were involved in O'hara. Burning Books = evil there are no exceptions to this rule.
One Piece is essentially a dystopia. The Marines are the Bad side. It's not so simple of course since lots of pirates are worse. However remember that most of the top Marines participated in burning books. This is not some corrupt group, most of the top marines were involved in O'hara. Burning Books = evil there are no exceptions to this rule.
The WG wanted the books burned. The Marines just followed orders.
The problem lies within the WG, not the Marines. Smoker is technically not on the wrong side, considering how antagonistic he is towards the WG, even though he's a Marine himself.
One Piece is essentially a dystopia. The Marines are the Bad side. It's not so simple of course since lots of pirates are worse. However remember that most of the top Marines participated in burning books. This is not some corrupt group, most of the top marines were involved in O'hara. Burning Books = evil there are no exceptions to this rule.
The Marines are not the bad side. Your clearly blinded if you think that.
The Strawhats are like 1 in a 1,000 in regards to pirates. Most pirates are the bad kind of pirates and the Marines are protecting innocent civilians from them. The marines have done a shit ton of good things in this series, you can't label them all bad or their entire organization for one act such as the burning of the books/oharans. There wouldn't be a "good" country in the world if thats the case.
Your statement burning books = evil really sounds like the sith line "if your not with us your against us" You are talking in total absolutes. One bad deed = your evil completely and no way around it. That is wrong.