What's wrong with you all…
Who brought that shit up, that Kuma doesn't know where exactly he sends the opponent?
This chapter proves, that he is knowing it very well^^
What's wrong with you all…
Who brought that shit up, that Kuma doesn't know where exactly he sends the opponent?
This chapter proves, that he is knowing it very well^^
What's wrong with you all…
Who brought that shit up, that Kuma doesn't know where exactly he sends the opponent?
This chapter proves, that he is knowing it very well^^
it proves the opposite since rayleigh has to predict the destination only knowing the general direction
@JERK:
That's a meaningless statement.
This is not a minor ripple, it would be a traumatic situation for the main character and the current people in focus. You can't just zoom out to the whole world and judge importance by that alone.
Otherwise Ace's death is "minor".
So Roger's bloodline dying out is minor? You're slipping. And you can zoom out when the grand focus in terms of the larger Saga is focused on the changing world and the beginning of the New Era that we've been hearing about since Jaya. The chaos of the sea is what will shape the tone of the SH's adventures through the NW.
@JERK:
Such as things like Donflamingo possibly killing Moria, or such as the flashback, or Luffy's "IM WEAK" stuff.
No like an entire arc laced with huge dramatic battles.
Easy how? There is no lead, just vague suspicions at best.
They don't know where he is. Garp doesn't know where he is.
If Garp doesn't know there's really noa rgument for you to have here.Was it faintly possible that Hancock's actions in front of Smoker and Sentomaru could lead to them wondering if she betrayed them deeper then a few incidents during the war? Yes.
Yet it's all moot if Garp doesn't know.These are not major plot points. I'm bothered you don't seem to be able to see these little scenes as anything but obvious hints when they're largely innocuous. The Sentomaru one in particular.
You mistake my outlook. I am a stickler for internal logical consistency. If you make it priority number 1 to take down one unconscious kid in a freaking huge ass war filled with the biggest and baddest, then I would assume that that same enthusiasm towards ending Luffy would continue after the War, after concluding that he somehow escaped.
However, I recognize the possibility that these will be ignored in favour of story progression, even though it shouldn't be if you were a person obsessed with details. Remember I am the person who was most dissapointed when Kizaru sniped the key off of Luffy's hand due to the implications towards the rest of the battles we saw with Kizaru in them. So yes, knowing myself excessively obsessed with details, I recognize that these could be simply dismissed as vague suspicions.
But there is one thing beyond good storytelling, and that´s the fact that the Marines have at their disposal a lead that is solid enough to pursue. I'm not even saying that they outright send a Buster Call or some shit. But it´s not unthinkable that they send some kind of reconossaince. It is a very solid lead, and they supposedly really want Luffy dead. There is no reason to not pursue it. And presto, they know where Luffy is.
From a logical standpoint, the Marines have the information to conclude, comfortably, where Luffy most likely is. Can it be ignored? Can the story continue and no one would question it as a gaping plothole, including myself? Absolutely. But the door is open, and Oda could choose to do a mini arc, very much like the one in Water 7 after Enies Lobby, and it wouldn't be too bulky.
EDIT: If you didn´t read my explanation on why the Marines can draw the connection, its in the original problematic post
it proves the opposite since rayleigh has to predict the destination only knowing the general direction
It proves absolutely nothing and you are the one believing the shit.
Yeah Kuma had a plan and just shooted them around and hoped that they will land as he predicted…
Strange that Zoro landed exactly at the place as Perona...
Strange that Zoro landed exactly at the place as Perona..
Shhh… Shit like this summons AGOG.
So Roger's bloodline dying out is minor? You're slipping.
Yes actually, how did this genuinely effect the world. What ripples did this actually create in of itself. Namely when did Oda focus whatsoever on this damaged once Ace had died. He didn't. Not at all.
It was only ever a facet of Marine symbolism for the execution. It's irrelevant otherwise.
Whitebeard's death on the other hand, well Oda spent many pages just showing us some of the billions of ripples that created in the world at large.
But Ace's death DID create mass ripples in Luffy (and other loved ones).
A personal tragedy for the main character is equal to and sometimes greater then the ripples that effect the story world at large.
Kuma: "Dark King… I have a plan... believe me!"
Rayleigh: "What is it? Where do you have sent them?"
Kuma: "How the fuck should I know that. One was sent to the north and one to the west. Hot girl to the sky and shit where is the rest....?"
Rayleigh: o_O
Strange that all SHs have putted down a difference distance and still all landed on an island without falling in the deep blue sea and instead are being on islands which are fitting their fighting styles. Good "prediction" Kuma. Same for Rayleigh
It proves absolutely nothing and you are the one believing the shit.
Yeah Kuma had a plan and just shooted them around and hoped that they will land as he predicted…
Strange that Zoro landed exactly at the place as Perona...
did you read a decent translation of ch 513? did you even bother to read the latest chapter? kuma only knew the direction luffy took when blown away and not because he wanted to send him in a particular and vague place but simply because he saw with his very own eyes luffy flying in that direction.
then he told rayleigh and he finally figured it out (most likely) together with shakky.
@JERK:
Yes actually, how did this genuinely effect the world. What ripples did this actually create in of itself. Namely when did Oda focus whatsoever on this damaged once Ace had died. He didn't. Not at all.
It was only ever a facet of Marine symbolism for the execution. It's irrelevant otherwise.Whitebeard's death on the other hand, well Oda spent many pages just showing us some of the billions of ripples that created in the world at large.
But Ace's death DID create mass ripples in Luffy (and other loved ones).
A personal tragedy for the main character is equal to and sometimes greater then the ripples that effect the story world at large.
Hmm… Ok, I'll concede that because although killing Roger's bloodline was made out to be a huge deal I guess it was inconsequential in any real cause and effect relationship related to the state of the world.
However, how does an attack on AL and a fending off of the attackers amount to anything hugely dramatic such as Ace still being killed after Luffy went through the gauntlet to save him? So if it wouldn't effect the world majorly and wouldn't effect Luffy greatly compared to what we're just coming from how is it anything too large for the current plot flow? Now if Rayleigh, Jimbei, Hancock, etc all died then I see your point, but like that would happen.
And just to clarify I'm not talking about 20 chapters worth of defending AL.
You mistake my outlook. I am a stickler for internal logical consistency.
Your linear interpretation of those scenes speaks more to you being a stickler, then one for logic.
If you make it priority number 1 to take down one unconscious kid in a freaking huge ass war filled with the biggest and baddest, then I would assume that that same enthusiasm towards ending Luffy would continue after the War, after concluding that he somehow escaped.
Nobody made it priority one except Akainu.
Here are the exact orders.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/579/03/
The Marines were in a frenzy about any of their enemies at the time. This was what freaked out Coby and made Shanks step in.
What was made priority one, was Luffy surviving, and by his allies.
I want you to look at this scene.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/06-07/
This is the period the Marines allow themselves regarding Luffy at the moment. This is the tone Oda sets in regards to them and Luffy.
It's a tone of Luffy's fate becoming an enigma, his status becoming unknown. If Oda wanted to set the tone of a crazed hunt complete with Buster Calls he would have had it be Akainu talking rather then Kizaru, and saying something like "You can't hide forever!!!!".
The whole scenario of Luffy being possibly dead from Kizaru's attack is Oda's method basically defusing what little of this "priority" thing you're talking about.
It's Oda deliberatly setting up for Luffy to be able to lay low.
However, I recognize the possibility that these will be ignored in favour of story progression, even though it shouldn't be if you were a person obsessed with details.
The details serve the story, not the other way around.
But there is one thing beyond good storytelling, and that´s the fact that the Marines have at their disposal a lead that is solid enough to pursue.
Hancock attacking some allies? Something she and other Shichibukai were doing anyway already?
Something Hancock did before she even knew Luffy anyway?
This is a woman who casually almost killed an entire Marine battleship crew by turning them temporarily into stone.
From a logical standpoint, the Marines have the information to conclude, comfortably, where Luffy most likely is.
No, they don't.
For someone who thinks he obsesses over details you seem to miss a lot of them.
did you read a decent translation of ch 513? did you even bother to read the latest chapter? kuma only knew the direction luffy took when blown away and not because he wanted to send him in a particular and vague place but simply because he saw with his very own eyes luffy flying in that direction.
then he told rayleigh and he finally figured it out (most likely) together with shakky.
Yeah I readed it and it still makes no sense^^
What is a plan, if you don't know where someone is flying and you can't be sure if he isn't landing in the ocean (Poor DF user)
But no… All SH's landed strangely on and island where they could become stronger. Not only that... Zoro landed on the same as Perona.
But Kuma is thinking... Hell Okama island is in the south... I'll try to shoot him there...
Kuma: "Dark King… I have a plan... believe me!"
Rayleigh: "What is it? Where do you have sent them?"
Kuma: "How the fuck should I know that. One was sent to the north and one to the west. Hot girl to the sky and shit where is the rest....?"
Rayleigh: uhmm i see, i wonder how many islands are there in that direction at less distance than a week going by ship from marine ford…
Shakky: AL should be around that distance[…]
is it any clearer now?
Strange that all SHs have putted down a difference distance and still all landed on an island without falling in the deep blue sea and instead are being on islands which are fitting their fighting styles. Good "prediction" Kuma.
what? now you re directly replying to yourself? that should be my line, considered that kuma never told rayleigh about AL.
it may seems stupid but that technique of kuma works exactly in such a mysterious way (it would be stupid either way imho though)
Anyway i understand your whole point and I partly agree with you: to sum it up i believe that technique of kuma works automatically throwing its victims where they need to go the most at the moment. I know it's not a rational explanation but after the 20 months pregnancy this shouldn't seem so surprising anymore
Hmm… Ok, I'll concede that because although killing Roger's bloodline was made out to be a huge deal I guess it was inconsequential in any real cause and effect relationship related to the state of the world.
However, how does an attack on AL and a fending off of the attackers amount to anything hugely dramatic such as Ace still being killed after Luffy went through the gauntlet to save him? So if it wouldn't effect the world majorly and wouldn't effect Luffy greatly compared to what we're just coming from how is it anything to large for the current plot flow? Now if Rayleigh, Jimbei, Hancock, etc all died then I see your point, but like that would happen.
For starters it's a completely beside the point event. It disrupts the current flow.
Which concerns, not Amazon Lilly whatsoever. Right now is about Luffy, it's about the Strawhats wanting to reunite, but also wanting to not have their seperation be a renewed possibility. That's what we're focused on. That's the subject.
This forced attack would rupture up trauma and drama for Hancock and the entire population of AL, their drama, if they must have it, only exists right now to serve the main cast's issues. We're talking about them basically needing to evacuate and find a place to hide forever, this is not small potatoes. And that's a lot of bullshit to have to focus on for characters who are all supporting roles.
is it any clearer now?
what? now you re directly replying to yourself? that should be my line, considered that kuma never told rayleigh about AL.
it may seems stupid but that technique of kuma works exactly in such a mysterious way (it would be stupid either way imho though)
I interpreted the scene as Kuma told Rayleigh that Luffy was sent to AL. The part where Rayleigh makes an inference for where Luffy could possibly be, as well as a clue from Shakky, is Luffy's whereabouts after the war thus speaking about two different instances and drawing them together for how he reached the conclusion Luffy would be at AL. Maybe Rayleigh mentions "direction" as that is how he knew where to reach AL.
Just because it's not said doesn't mean Kuma has no idea where he is sending the Strawhats. Its pretty stupid to send a devil fruit user across a mass ocean with no destination set in stone after all.
@JERK:
For starters it a completely beside the point event. It distrupts the current flow.
Which concerns, not Amazon Lilly whatsoever. Right now is about Luffy, it's about the Strawhats wanting to reunite, but also wanting to not have their seperation be a new possibility. That's what we're focused on. That's the subject.
While what you're saying is true about the focus beginning to shift to the SH, you can't ignore the fact that Luffy being harbored at AL puts the island in danger and that danger would serve well in showing off Luffy's progression post training, it would seem really odd for Luffy and Rayleigh to train for awhile then just say one day that Luffy has learned much then he wipes the sweat from his brow and leaves the island without incident and we don't see the payoff in a true combat situation until whenever in FI.
@JERK:
This forced attack would rupture up trauma and drama for Hancock and the entire population of AL, their drama, if they must have it, only exists right now to serve the main cast's issues. We're talking about them basically needing to evacuate and find a place to hide forever, this is not small potatoes. And that's a lot of bullshit to have to focus on for characters who are all supporting roles.
Well Sanji will be coming back from Kamabakka and I could see Ivankov harboring them there but I'll avoid listing fanfic new homes, point is that there are likely places they could go, lol they could be OP's Namekians.
I don't see a huge issue coming from it so long as Oda established a possible refuge during or shortly after the attack. Fend off the attack and abandon the island before the marines regroup.
it would seem really odd for Luffy and Rayleigh to train for awhile then just say one day that Luffy has learned much then he wipes the sweat from his brow and leave the island without incident and we don't see the payoff in a true combat situation until whenever in FI.
Why is that odd? Like seriously? Hasn't that island been the next destination for years (for us) and weeks in the OP world? Why would there be a need to show the results from his training right there and then? Wouldn't it be better suited after the crew reunites (so possibly all of them could do the same)? Why does he need to show the results of his training in a scenario where he'd be attempting to save every person on that island? Just so he can say hey look I actually got stronger after failing to save Ace since I'm able to save AL?
Also why can't Luffy show off his new skills and talents at SA? So he could in essence prove things won't just repeat themselves like Ray said.
You're making it seem like Luffy would finish his training and then Oda would drag the story out with his departure and the time it would take to get to AL until he gets in to a real fight when he could just show a scene indicating the training is done then skip to other SHs and then return to Luffy on SA.
While what you're saying is true about the focus beginning to shift to the SH, you can't ignore the fact that Luffy being harbored at AL puts the island in danger and that danger would serve well in showing off Luffy's progression post training, it would seem really odd for Luffy and Rayleigh to train for awhile then just say one day that Luffy has learned much then he wipes the sweat from his brow and leaves the island without incident and we don't see the payoff in a true combat situation until whenever in FI.
Actually it's not that strange. You act like it'll be years before they reach FI and have a chance to show what he learned from the training. There's no need to immediately show anything more than a subtle hint, which can be something as seemingly innoculous as a final spar with Rayleigh or something, idk. But fending off a Marine attack is not the subtle hint we need post training. And we don't technically even need that hint, since FI is the next stop. THE NEXT STOP. Meaning there won't be any bullshit stopping us from seeing the results of the training you want to see so badly. Furthermore the other SHs will be there and can show us their improvements at the same time.
Edit: Zik beat me to the main point here
Well Sanji will be coming back from Kamabakka and I could see Ivankov harboring them there but I'll avoid listing fanfic new homes, point is that there are likely places they could go, lol they could be OP's Namekians.
I don't see a huge issue coming from it so long as Oda established a possible refuge during or shortly after the attack. Fend off the attack and abandon the island before the marines regroup.
Except this is not a minor happening for those involved and disrupts the flow as we've said about 500 times. We can't spend time relocating minor characters after fending off an attack just because. There's no reason to do this as it pertains to Luffy.
@JERK:
Your linear interpretation of those scenes speaks more to you being a stickler, then one for logic.
Nobody made it priority one except Akainu.
Here are the exact orders.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/579/03/
The Marines were in a frenzy about any of their enemies at the time. This was what freaked out Coby and made Shanks step in.What was made priority one, was Luffy surviving, and by his allies.
I want you to look at this scene.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/580/06-07/
This is the period the Marines allow themselves regarding Luffy at the moment. This is the tone Oda sets in regards to them and Luffy.It's a tone of Luffy's fate becoming an enigma, his status becoming unknown. If Oda wanted to set the tone of a crazed hunt complete with Buster Calls he would have had it be Akainu talking rather then Kizaru, and saying something like "You can't hide forever!!!!".
The whole scenario of Luffy being possibly dead from Kizaru's attack is Oda's method basically defusing what little of this "priority" thing you're talking about.
It's Oda deliberatly setting up for Luffy to be able to lay low.The details serve the story, not the other way around.
Hancock attacking some allies? Something she and other Shichibukai were doing anyway already?
Something Hancock did before she even knew Luffy anyway?
This is a woman who casually almost killed an entire Marine battleship crew by turning them temporarily into stone.No, they don't.
For someone who thinks he obsesses over details you seem to miss a lot of them.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/559/15/
Hancock tells smoker not to attack her beloved. She directly attacks Smoker and openly declares that she is in an amorous relationship with Luffy.
Then at the end of the war she takes off in a Marine ship, declaring that she´s going after Luffy, and the Marine ship dissappears.
You´re honestly telling me that making the connection between those two is hard?
From Smoker's testimony alone you can get that Hancock was protecting Luffy. Nothing further is needed.
All I'm saying is that if the Marines are the least bit interested in catching Luffy, its pretty goddamn easy to get their lead.
I accept that the focus of the entire Marine Force was not Luffy. But Akainu so hell bent on taking Luffy out means that he recognizes the threat, and it would be farfetced to suggest that he doesn´t communicate his appraisal with other bigwigs. Luffy is considered important, and that coupled with the betrayal of a Schichibukai merits at least some form of acknowledgement and investigation, if not an assault. Do you not agree?
I don't really see the marines attacking Amazon Lilly. They have much bigger problems right now. Like, the entire WORLD falling into disarray. I can't really see how the marines could afford the man power to chase Luffy down anyway. Everything is falling apart.
A marine attack on Amazon Lilly wouldn't add much to the story at this point. It would actually hinder it in my opinion.
@Joel:
I interpreted the scene as Kuma told Rayleigh that Luffy was sent to AL. The part where Rayleigh makes an inference for where Luffy could possibly be, as well as a clue from Shakky, is Luffy's whereabouts after the war thus speaking about two different instances and drawing them together for how he reached the conclusion Luffy would be at AL. Maybe Rayleigh mentions "direction" as that is how he knew where to reach AL.
but rayleigh said that on that line lied AL and that's exactly what a direction is, a line. the main proof is in ch 513 though. well, as i said before, i think that with that technique kuma can throw people automatically (unrelated to kuma's will) to some place somehow related to them (in most of the SHs' cases, a place to get stronger)
EDIT: wait, i reread your post and i can't follow you: you are saying that rayleigh made the inference with what he got to know about the marine ship's route taken by hancock to pursue luffy, thus figuring out they would go back to AL? I highly doubt law's submarine was heading for the same direction as AL (it would be a big lucky shot anyway) before being intercepted by hancock so any kind of inference is impossible using the information of the marines
@Zik:
Why is that odd? Like seriously? Hasn't that island been the next destination for years (for us) and weeks in the OP world? Why would there be a need to show the results from his training right there and then? Wouldn't it be better suited after the crew reunites (so possibly all of them could do the same)? Why does he need to show the results of his training in a scenario where he'd be attempting to save every person on that island? Just so he can say hey look I actually got stronger after failing to save Ace since I'm able to save AL?
Also why can't Luffy show off his new skills and talents at SA? So he could in essence prove things won't just repeat themselves like Ray said.
It would still be odd, finishing training and just going "Well… later" without seeing any of the payoff is just odd it would certainly be a non cliché way to finish the training but not necessarily in a good way, just odd. And he wouldn't prove anything at SA, he still wouldn't be beating Kizaru or Kuma in my book.
but rayleigh said that on that line lied AL and that's exactly what a direction is, a line. the main proof is in ch 513 though. well, as i said before, i think that with that technique kuma can throw people automatically (unrelated to kuma's will) to some place somehow related to them (in most of the SHs' cases, a place to get stronger)
Yes. And he can know that Luffy was on AL first. Then he uses the line/direction to find AL/Luffy. This is my point.
I don't really see the marines attacking Amazon Lilly. They have much bigger problems right now. Like, the entire WORLD falling into disarray. I can't really see how the marines could afford the man power to chase Luffy down anyway. Everything is falling apart.
A marine attack on Amazon Lilly wouldn't add much to the story at this point. It would actually hinder it in my opinion.
Absolutely right… It would bring nothing new for the story... and showing the new skills of the SHs can happen at the next station.
But forget about it... Most of the people who wants to see an AL-arc is only for one reason...
Boa can join after AL is saved by amazing Luffy and the SHs, which will be able to cross the Calm-Belt without log pot... Cuz they are Rayleigh level^^
That story-wise a war like this makes no sense after the biggest war in history... doesn't matter^^
Actually it's not that strange. You act like it'll be years before they reach FI and have a chance to show what he learned from the training. There's no need to immediately show anything more than a subtle hint, which can be something as seemingly innoculous as a final spar with Rayleigh or something, idk. But fending off a Marine attack is not the subtle hint we need post training. And we don't technically even need that hint, since FI is the next stop. THE NEXT STOP. Meaning there won't be any bullshit stopping us from seeing the results of the training you want to see so badly. Furthermore the other SHs will be there and can show us their improvements at the same time.
Edit: Zik beat me to the main point here
Except this is not a minor happening for those involved and disrupts the flow as we've said about 500 times. We can't spend time relocating minor characters after fending off an attack just because. There's no reason to do this as it pertains to Luffy.
As I said it wouldn't have to be a long time looking for a new home, after they repel the attack the story could flash forward a few days to when they've found a new home, an attack on minor characters no matter how traumatic it is to them is still minor compared to the war we're departing from because those characters themselves aren't focused on heavily. And why would Oda blue ball us with more subtlety after all the years of already doing that with haki?
God training would be terrible if all that's going to happen is pure lull in the story until Luffy goes back to his crew.
but rayleigh said that on that line lied AL and that's exactly what a direction is, a line. the main proof is in ch 513 though. well, as i said before, i think that with that technique kuma can throw people automatically (unrelated to kuma's will) to some place somehow related to them (in most of the SHs' cases, a place to get stronger)
The biggest case against you is that Zoro and Perona are both in the same place. They both got sent flying from different places, so that's different distances. Zoro ended up there for a reason.
We also know they didn't travel the same speed while flying through the air, because Robin isn't even on the grandline. She's back in East Blue! If just flew in that direction without a preset destination, she never would have made it all the way to the east blue, she'd still be somewhere on the grandline.
Finally, Luffy didn't fly the full 3 days. He only flew 2.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/521/11/
If he was sent flying in a general direction for 3 days, why would he stop early?
Only because he was meant to land there.
@Joel:
Yes. And he can know that Luffy was on AL first. Then he uses the line/direction to find AL/Luffy. This is my point.
what line? what direction would he need if he really knew beforehand luffy was at AL. I'm kinda confused
I don't really see the marines attacking Amazon Lilly. They have much bigger problems right now. Like, the entire WORLD falling into disarray. I can't really see how the marines could afford the man power to chase Luffy down anyway. Everything is falling apart.
A marine attack on Amazon Lilly wouldn't add much to the story at this point. It would actually hinder it in my opinion.
My scenario involved Luffy training up and to the end of the timeskip, which by this time the New Era is in full swing and the marines have recovered possibly having discovered where he's been hiding at and then send an attacking force. They could discover where he's hiding and stick to monitoring the island until they can spare the force to attack.
what line? what direction would he need if he really knew beforehand luffy was at AL. I'm kinda confused
As in how to get to AL. He may know Luffy is there but still need a direction on how/where to find it. After all its somewhat of a hidden place isn't it?
Okay, just read the chapter.
1. Rayleigh is everyone's favorite Grandpa.
2. Too predictable, but it looks like Luffy probably got a bounty increase (we'll see).
3. Oda said that Usopp will always be the weakest member of the group.
Clever Oda has made it so that when Usopp escapes from his island, he should be a motherfucking tank (from what I can gather).
The 'Usopp is Weakest' rule will still apply when the reunion happens.
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Whoa. My mind is blown.:pouty:
Hope those Pacifistas have a warranty.
The biggest case against you is that Zoro and Perona are both in the same place. They both got sent flying from different places, so that's different distances. Zoro ended up there for a reason.
We also know they didn't travel the same speed while flying through the air, because Robin isn't even on the grandline. She's back in East Blue! If just flew in that direction without a preset destination, she never would have made it all the way to the east blue, she'd still be somewhere on the grandline.
Finally, Luffy didn't fly the full 3 days. He only flew 2.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/521/11/
If he was sent flying in a general direction for 3 days, why would he stop early?
Only because he was meant to land there.
sentoumaru talked about the 3 days and 3 nights thing in ch 513 too, but I still don't get your point.
i said various time that imo that technique automatically (without kuma himself knowing the destination) throws its victims to the place they intimately need/want to go , making them fly for 3 days and 3 nights. Of course noone would need nor want to land in open sea (lol a fishman maybe).
the fact 2 or more people end up blown away on the same islands is not important (probably oda just wanted to create some funny scenario putting sanji in kamabakka and zoro, the most antisocial of the shs , with the spoiled and noisy perona, while powering them up of course).
edit: in the end all it matters is that line of sentoumaru in ch 513: apparently stephen and aohige translated it in the 2 opposite ways; i'd really like aohige to check it over once again and listen to his opinion
It would still be odd, finishing training and just going "Well… later" without seeing any of the payoff is just odd
Again why is it odd? Why do you have it in your mind that a scene like that would even happen? How is it odd if there's an inidcation that the training is over, Oda switches to other SHs, then switches to SA where Luffy proves he won't be repeating history by showing the results of his training?
it would certainly be a non cliché way to finish the training but not necessarily in a good way, just odd.
You and your clichés. You seem to just keep saying it's odd but not explaining it.
Why is Luffy leaving after training and not immediately showing his improved combat skills odd? How is that odd? Is it simply odd because you expect that to happen?
The fact that it would be odd really isn't a point for why it can't happen anyway.
And he wouldn't prove anything at SA, he still wouldn't be beating Kizaru or Kuma in my book.
Stop with the random baseless speculating. You don't know what's going to happen when he returns to SA. You're saying AL should be attacked so he can show off the results of his training because for some reason (apparently for it not to be odd) he must immediately show the fruits of his labor. It's not like he'd be beating an admiral or Kuma when the marnies attack AL so it just sounds like you want to see Luffy fight right after training and just throwing the word test on it. Wouldn't the real test be going back to SA and fighting a worthy opponent, possibly shichibukai level but this time around Luffy isn't worn out like after Moria and Croc?
It would still be odd, finishing training and just going "Well… later" without seeing any of the payoff is just odd it would certainly be a non cliché way to finish the training but not necessarily in a good way, just odd. And he wouldn't prove anything at SA, he still wouldn't be beating Kizaru or Kuma in my book.
Can't he prove it in the fishman arc which might come right after that? Is that too late for you. If that's teh case i would think about it again since it appears as if you have for whatever reason a crush on "luffy should fight at AL because i want an attack on that island whatever it costs"
Can't he prove it in the fishman arc which might come right after that? Is that too late for you. If that's teh case i would think about it again since it appears as if you have for whatever reason a crush on "luffy should fight at AL because i want an attack on that island whatever it costs to let Boa join after that"
Fixed it for ya^^
Really… I'm glad as hell that Oda is never doing the things people "predict"
Now you raise an interesting point to what the motivation behind Haxeyes point is. Is that so Haxeye?
did i miss something…last thing i saw was chopper being standard by the big bird only taking away the little bird
now they are all at piece?
someone was tell me the chapter they became friendly?
did i miss something…last thing i saw was chopper being standard by the big bird only taking away the little bird
now they are all at piece?someone was tell me the chapter they became friendly?
Did you read this chapter? What did the humans told chopper? What did chopper replied?
Now you raise an interesting point to what the motivation behind Haxeyes point is. Is that so Haxeye?
Sammsy said it ahs nothing to do with it… What a liar... Even more worse than Luffy.
Just read the next nakama thread. All the Boa supporters are bubbling about that AL arc
Who's bubbling about AL Arc.?
All.? Only few that i remember.
You can't generalize all Boa supporter agreeing about that arc. Lol.
did i miss something…last thing i saw was chopper being standard by the big bird only taking away the little bird
now they are all at piece?someone was tell me the chapter they became friendly?
Time has elapsed. Events have occurred off-panel. That's why we get overly informative "here's what happened to us" speeches from the characters as they are saying goodbye.
Who's bubbling about AL Arc.?
All.? Only few that i remember.You can't generalize all Boa supporter agreeing about that arc. Lol.
Did I say that? Sammsy is one of them, Deicide and HawkEye as well^^
They would willingly would let the story keep from moving finally to the next location just to have a better base for their Boa support^^
And than say… No it isn't cuz of this... It is because it would be cool to stay on the same island for the next half year and have a big war after the biggest war ever...
Haha. You just barely say that every Boa Supporters bubbling about that arc.
It's only lil sample. There's no evidence that all of more than 100 Boa voters agree with expanded AL rescuing whatsoever arc.
Haha.
It's only lil sample. There's no evidence that all of more than 100 Boa voters agree with expanded AL rescuing whatsoever arc.
That isn't my point. The point is the FEW people who are supporting this arc are all Boa supporters^^
I don't give a shit if she joins or not… But just let the bitch join or not without expanding it with an AL war.
her back-story and all could be delayed for later if anything.
99,7 % of the people want to go further in the world and not stay on the same shitty island and have an attack after the biggest freaking war ever
You guys are crazy. Margaret is obviously going to join during the Amazon Lily Arc.
Just read the next nakama thread. All the Boa supporters are bubbling about that AL arc
i think Hancock will join. but i don't think that requires a full-scale conflict in AL.
How about: there's not gonna be any AL arc?
How about: there's not gonna be any AL arc?
Glad that you are seeing it… Maybe the hope isn't lost^^
How about: there's not gonna be any AL arc?
Good man.
Here's your price for having common sense.
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sentoumaru talked about the 3 days and 3 nights thing in ch 513 too, but I still don't get your point.
i said various time that imo that technique automatically (without kuma himself knowing the destination) throws its victims to the place they intimately need/want to go , making them fly for 3 days and 3 nights. Of course noone would need nor want to land in open sea (lol a fishman maybe).
the fact 2 or more people end up blown away on the same islands is not important (probably oda just wanted to create some funny scenario putting sanji in kamabakka and zoro, the most antisocial of the shs , with the spoiled and noisy perona, while powering them up of course).edit: in the end all it matters is that line of sentoumaru in ch 513: apparently stephen and aohige translated it in the 2 opposite ways; i'd really like aohige to check it over once again and listen to his opinion
Luffy only flew for 2 before reaching AL.
That means they all didn't fly the same amount of time. Depending on where they ended up, they could have flown for more or less than 3 days.
The fact that they don't simply fly for 3 days means that they were sent to a certain place.
The translation I know for the line in question is along the lines of: "As for the destination, only the man responsible will know."
The "man responsible" is Kuma. He knew where he was sending each of the crew.
Or do you think it's coincidence that Luffy ended up on an island where everyone knows haki and is ruled by a warlord?