Also isn't Law the one that switched out his own sea stone chains for regular ones?
I could of sworn he explained that.
Last Two Nakamates (vol. 5)
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@Free:
Indeed it hasn
t been revealed yet, but think logicaly for a moment. We can be pretty sure that Vergo and Caesar didnt throw the paper for obvious reasons. Who is left then? Monet, those horsy-guys, maybe sheep-dudes or someone who we don`t know yet (momonosuke). If you take these in concern with the fact that Monet saw Choper, while he was escaping the room, Monet is the most plausible person.Do not neglect the most obvious options, just because you don`t like it.
I never said I didn't like any alternate option. It's just that we can assume it's Monet, but that doesn't make it a fact. Hell, we can even assume it was Law, too.
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The most obvious option would be Law throwing the paper since he was the only one who knew that Chopper was there. Besides, what reason would she have to help Chopper after doing something like this:
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/107517/one-piece_ch671_by_mangarule/16
I don't see how it's obvious that Law threw the paper. Not only does he have his arms chained up but there's the distance between them as well. Vergo and Caesar would have noticed a piece of paper flying out of the cage if it was indeed Law. Monet must have known Chopper was there due to her showing no surprise when Chopper scrambled out of there.
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I don't see how it's obvious that Law threw the paper. Not only does he have his arms chained up but there's the distance between them as well. Vergo and Caesar would have noticed a piece of paper flying out of the cage if it was indeed Law. Monet must have known Chopper was there due to her showing no surprise when Chopper scrambled out of there.
He would not actually throw the paper^^. We have seen how he can switch things easily with his DF and later we found out that his chains were not made out of Kairoseki so he could have easily used his DF.
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He would not actually throw the paper^^. We have seen how he can switch things easily with his DF and later we found out that his chains were not made out of Kairoseki so he could have easily used his DF.
Didn't think about that. Still, wouldn't you think Vergo and Caesar would notice something flying out of the cage. It's not believeable that nobody saw the paper coming from Law, including those in the cage. Nobody mentioned it to him afterwards either, if it was him.
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I don't see how it's obvious that Law threw the paper. Not only does he have his arms chained up but there's the distance between them as well. Vergo and Caesar would have noticed a piece of paper flying out of the cage if it was indeed Law. Monet must have known Chopper was there due to her showing no surprise when Chopper scrambled out of there.
The paper wouldn't have come from inside the cage. His power would let him throw it from pretty much anywhere in the entire room.
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Also why would she give him a piece of paper where the components of the drugs are described? She didn't even know that they were seeking that.
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Also why would she give him a piece of paper where the components of the drugs are described? She didn't even know that they were seeking that.
What part of shes working with Law n is a Bad Ass Scout do u not understand. She knows EVERYTHING. And is she does join Law, they're babies would be pimps. Of topic but why is Law gloomy n this arc compare to sabody.
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@Money:
What part of shes working with Law n is a Bad Ass Scout do u not understand. She knows EVERYTHING. And is she does join Law, they're babies would be pimps. Of topic but why is Law gloomy n this arc compare to sabody.
How about the part where she lets caesar escapes although this goes explicitly against law's plan. She'd been fine to let luffy just handle him and not get in the way I'll doubt this would have been too suspicious. The part where she openly admits that she is affiliated with doflamigo and says that her failing would mean the end of her life.
I don't know her working with law just goes very much against the flow of the story and her becoming a nakama just seems like people grasping after straws but well that's what this thread is seemingly about so whatever.
But sure I can't make an argument that eradicates the possibility but I prefer to stick to the most probable scenarios. I'll leave the most ridiculous ones to fan fic writers.
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If Jinbe joins. what exactly would he be?
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The paper wouldn't have come from inside the cage. His power would let him throw it from pretty much anywhere in the entire room.
The thing is, Law couldn't have been the one that threw the paper, not because he couldn't throw the paper, but because he was chained up and couldn't write what was in the paper. Everybody in the cage would have noticed him writing on a piece of paper if he was the responsible for sending the message for Chopper.
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If Jinbe jonis, what exactly would he be?
Helmsman? There isn't much evidence pointing towards it beyond Jinbei steering the ship from Impel Down to Marineford, but it's the only explicitly-mentioned position in the series that I can think of which the Straw Hats don't have. (seeing as Burgess is the helmsman for the Blackbeard Pirates)
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If Jinbe jonis, what exactly would he be?
Fishman.
The thing is, Law couldn't have been the one that threw the paper, not because he couldn't throw the paper, but because he was chained up and couldn't write what was in the paper. Everybody in the cage would have noticed him writing on a piece of paper if he was the responsible for sending the message for Chopper.
You think a guy who can manipulate an entire room at will can't put words on a piece of paper? He doesn't even need to move the pen, he could just move the ink where he wanted it.
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If Jinbe jonis, what exactly would he be?
Apparently he would fit the role of 'Helmsman', the guy who steers the ship. With Jinbe's versatility underwater he could assist with any below ship damage too
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You think a guy who can manipulate an entire room at will can't put words on a piece of paper? He doesn't even need to move the pen, he could just move the ink where he wanted it.
I thought he needed to move his hands around to be able to "operate", unless that's all for flashy purposes. He would require some impossibly mad skills to write an entire formula in a piece of paper from a distance that he couldn't even check if it was being done right.
And, just to stay on topic, are people seriously suggesting "Helmsman" for Jinbe's position in the crew just because he was seen piloting a ship?
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Yep, well it's a reasonable position… I'm sure the Straw Hats would find it to be of use more often than the crew Archaeologist.
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Yep, well it's a reasonable position… I'm sure the Straw Hats would find it to be of use more often than the crew Archaeologist.
Because "Helmsman" is an extremely important position that can't be done by none of the current crewmembers because it requires a dedicated expert to do it.
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Yep, well it's a reasonable position… I'm sure the Straw Hats would find it to be of use more often than the crew Archaeologist.
See, I'm all for Jinbe joining, but saying that he'd be a Martial Artist makes a lot more sense because that's what he does and is and saying he'd be a helmsmen kind of seems like reaching. If Swordsman is a position, then Fishman or Martial Artist or Fighter are too and they make more sense.
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Martial Artist is reasonable considering that swordsman is seen as a valid position on the crew.
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Jinbe can be quartermaster, helmsman, boatswain, lifeguard, or striker, if you absolutely need an official title for what he does. (Also negotiator, current manipulator, deep sea diver, and general extra muscle.)
Not like the crew absolutely needs an archeologist or anything.
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Also ambassador (would that be the right term?) i suppose negotiator is what i mean but basically he represents the crew. Hell killer is just a combatant for kidd pirates but hes obviously the negotiator/ ambassador whatever but oda didnt put that as an official title.
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@RobbyBevard:
Jinbe can be quartermaster, helmsman, boatswain, lifeguard, or striker, if you absolutely need an official title for what he does. (Also negotiator, current manipulator, deep sea diver, and general extra muscle.)
Not like the crew absolutely needs an archeologist or anything.
You forgot boss! :ninja: Still, I think helmsman makes the most sense since the BB pirates have a crew mate with that title. In their off time, Luffy and Usopp are normally goofing off, Chopper's working on medical stuff, Sanji's cooking, Nami's drawing maps, Robin's reading, Zoro's lifting weights, Brook's playing an instrument, and Franky's working on the ship. Only thing missing is someone actually steering the freakin ship.
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I thought he needed to move his hands around to be able to "operate", unless that's all for flashy purposes. He would require some impossibly mad skills to write an entire formula in a piece of paper from a distance that he couldn't even check if it was being done right.
Everyone has impossibly mad skills.
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No one jokingly mentioned more proof for Jinbe as a helmsman after he pulled his ship away from Coribou? Or perhaps he could be undersea ship puller? For me, combatant seems likely for Jinbe.
Something else and semi-relevant since Kinemon has been considered and the theory was brought up on this thread. I don't think Oda has the stones to have a child die, even in a flashback (not to mention Oda did point out there are other children in the lab), but I think it'd be super heart breaking if Kinemon really was just trying to deny the fact that his son is dead like what Vergo mentioned in that flashback. It'd kinda fit too since Kinemon's pride seems to be his gimmick.
Originally Posted by Nightwing
Stay focused, cause right now you have a decision to make. Are you a man perpetually looking back at what he’s lost, or a man looking forward, to what he might become?
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No one jokingly mentioned more proof for Jinbe as a helmsman after he pulled his ship away from Coribou? Or perhaps he could be undersea ship puller? For me, combatant seems likely for Jinbe.
Something else and semi-relevant since Kinemon has been considered and the theory was brought up on this thread. I don't think Oda has the stones to have a child die, even in a flashback (not to mention Oda did point out there are other children in the lab), but I think it'd be super heart breaking if Kinemon really was just trying to deny the fact that his son is dead like what Vergo mentioned in that flashback. It'd kinda fit too since Kinemon's pride seems to be his gimmick.
Well, Sabo^^ (does not matter if he is still alive, until we see him, he is dead)
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Well, Sabo^^ (does not matter if he is still alive, until we see him, he is dead)
We know 100% fact that he is alive, and we knew even before Dragon rescued him in the flashback… no, he's never even technically been dead.
Sabo being alive was then flat out confirmed when we saw Ace's grave a few chapters back.
You can make a case for Kuina being a child that died, though.
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Jinbe is just what he is, a fishman = a diver, and no one can deny that he's a damn good diver. But that doesn't mean he cannot be the helmsman. If anyone in the crew knew the ocean better than Nami, about the currents and flows, that would be Jinbe. That would make a good basic skill for a helmsman.
But this is hardly a question about his position, which for me is not very important now: 1. The important positions are already filled, so any trivial position would be suffice for anyone; 2. He's already accepted as a crew member, he just hasn't been officially joining.
One thing that's preventing him to immediately join the crew is because right now he seems to be too strong, so the crews need to show us how strong they are. And it's only fair for us readers. I expect Jinbe to be reunited with the SH pirates in BM arc, then officially joining after the arc, after the crew show us how strong they are/will become.
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Forgot about Kuina. Still, I'd be very surprised and quite sad if Mononosuke is not there in the lab.Well i wouldn
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Fishman.
This is just inevitable for Jinbe isn't it?
Like you wrote earlier in that post about what the crew members take pride
in the most. This is something that Jinbe takes the most pride in ,his race.
If he does simply become the Fishman of the Straw hats.This development coincides with Luffy's own personality as well,I could totally see him
proclaiming that Jinbe is their "Fishman" during his Nakama Toast.Also ambassador (would that be the right term?) i suppose negotiator is what i mean but basically he represents the crew. Hell killer is just a combatant for kidd pirates but hes obviously the negotiator/ ambassador whatever but oda didnt put that as an official title.
I think they call it Vice Captain in One Piece or First Mate Ala Zoro.
But for some reason of the new generation Pirates, Oda doesn't wanna flat out call anyone this title….Yet.
I assume Bepo is Law's second in command.
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Jimbei will be the fatty of the SH crew. :ninja:
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Guys, Guys, Jinbe would be the secondary emergency food supply XD
In all seriousness, Helmsman is fine for him. Its a job he can probably do well, but not specialized enough to where he's not free to do other things if necessary. Like if they're in a fight and Luffy gets knocked overboard, Jinbe can shout to Chopper or someone else "Take the wheel" and jump in after him. He can also be the crew's frogman in naval fights, given that I doubt many people have an answer to a Fishman smashing the bottom of their hull or flipping their ship over.
And beyond that, its great feel-good imagery. The woman who spent years of her life tortured by Fishman and the world's most famous (living) Fishman working together to steer the ship of the future pirate king?
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All the crew take pride in their position, and Jinbei take pride in his martial arts n race. And Franky steers the ship, cuz he is the one who built it. Hes the unofficial helmsman. And Sabo in confirmed dead in one piece green
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Luffy: Get it now, you big fish?!
(grin)
Hnnn…!!
First of all, I have to find a crew.
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Luffy: Get it now, you big fish?! (grin) Hnnn…!! First of all, I have to find a crew. I want ten people!! And then a pirate flag!
Back in 1997 wen one piece was planned for 5 yrs not +15
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That's the only time he mentioned how many crewmate's he want's, only proof I got.
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@Money:
All the crew take pride in their position, and Jinbei take pride in his martial arts n race. And Franky steers the ship, cuz he is the one who built it. Hes the unofficial helmsman. And Sabo in confirmed dead in one piece green
One Piece Green wasn't written by Oda, so it's not a canon resource. Oda's put forth two vary obvious clues that Sabo is still around, even though he hasn't out-and-out said anything yet in the manga.
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Its not made by Oda? Thank God Sabo is 100% alive but wont join the crew. Wonder if he knows Robin
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Sabo's useless now, he was just for Luffy's backstory, he serve no other purpose than Luffy's backstory.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
He's actually 50/50
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Sabo's useless now, he was just for Luffy's backstory, he serve no other purpose than Luffy's backstory.
–- Update From New Post Merge ---
He's actually 50/50
At the moment? Yeah, he's just a character in Luffy's back story. But then, at one point Rayleigh was just a flashback character as well and look at him now. If Oda only intended for Sabo to be around for Luffy's flashback, he would've explicitly killed him in a way that was undeniable. He didn't, though, so it's far more likely that our good buddy Sabo is coming back in some form and probably in a big way. This is Oda, after all.
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One Piece Green wasn't written by Oda, so it's not a canon resource. Oda's put forth two vary obvious clues that Sabo is still around, even though he hasn't out-and-out said anything yet in the manga.
what exactly are these clues?
also everyone for Nakamate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm still curious about that thing about making an old enemy a nakama (something very common in other shonen mangas)
Crocodile is too ambitious to serve under anyone and Lucci has his own comrades. That would leave Mr.2 or Mr.3 as the best candidates (mmm, or the real Kuma, but maybe he would be too much powerful compared with the rest of the crew)
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I'm still curious about that thing about making an old enemy a nakama
You mean the declaration about a former boss who allied with them en route to the new world ?
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@KaW~KaW:
what exactly are these clues?
also everyone for Nakamate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In episode 504 when Dragon returns to his ship, Ivankov says, "You, what's that?" while pointing down at Dragon. Considering they didn't show the front of Dragon, I'm assuming he was carrying Sabo. Everyone else on the ship also started calling out for a doctor. So there must have been an injured Sabo that Dragon brought along with him.
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You mean the declaration about a former boss who allied with them en route to the new world ?
That was "Boss" Jinbe.Oh, I read "enemy" back then (or I remember it like that) and since Jinbe was an ally since Impel Down never thought about him.
I still like the idea of Mr.3 in the crew so let me keep my hopes :P
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In episode 504 when Dragon returns to his ship, Ivankov says, "You, what's that?" while pointing down at Dragon. Considering they didn't show the front of Dragon, I'm assuming he was carrying Sabo. Everyone else on the ship also started calling out for a doctor. So there must have been an injured Sabo that Dragon brought along with him.
This, plus the final cover page of the "From the Decks of the New World" cover story show Ace and Whitebeard's grave and in front of Ace's specifically is a bottle of sake and three cups. There's only one thing that can represent and since Luffy hadn't been to the New World yet, the only person who could have left them there was Sabo.
See?
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Would it be interesting if someone joins the crew but actually works for another pirate/organization and betrays the Strawhats? That would bring Luffy's perspective of nakama in a whole new level. Potential for more drama and development. This is the New World after all and after seeing Joker's activities and how he has agents infiltrating enemy groups, I reckon they'll be other people doing the same thing. Strategy and information is key. Maybe Big Mom?
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Would it be interesting if someone joins the crew but actually works for another pirate/organization and betrays the Strawhats? That would bring Luffy's perspective of nakama in a whole new level. Potential for more drama and development. This is the New World after all and after seeing Joker's activities and how he has agents infiltrating enemy groups, I reckon they'll be other people doing the same thing. Strategy and information is key. Maybe Big Mom?
mm I like it! It would interesting to see a betrayal but I don't think Luffy's faith in people would change, it's too big a personality change and he's quite stubborn about nakama leaving the crew under -ahem- suspicious circumstances (see CP9 and Robin) but if it did happen, it definitely seems like something Dofla would do but….
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I'm still curious about that thing about making an old enemy a nakama (something very common in other shonen mangas)
I'm pretty sure that was referring to Crocodile, with him teaming up with Luffy and the other escapees. I don't think it was intended to mean "A former enemy will join the crew" as much as "A former enemy will help"
Besides, Robin and Franky both fit that role, as they were both villains before they were crew members.
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mm I like it! It would interesting to see a betrayal but I don't think Luffy's faith in people would change, it's too big a personality change and he's quite stubborn about nakama leaving the crew under -ahem- suspicious circumstances (see CP9 and Robin) but if it did happen, it definitely seems like something Dofla would do but….
:blink: wait wait... are you suggesting Big Mam is
1. an agent for Joker
2. a spy despite being well known
3. going to join the SH crew?!?!What I meant was that Luffy would learn the meaning of betrayal, from a trusted nakama no less. It happened with Nami but that was without malevolent intentions. Of course he'll still put a lot of importance to nakama but now he'll be more wary because "the New World starts here".
And lol no I meant the betrayer could be from Big Mom's crew. Luffy declared war with her after all so she would want to know more about Luffy's crew and each of their strengths and weaknesses.
