@Del:
Really Deicide… You are seeing so much strong hints in a Boa joining but you can't see that Sabo is alive for sure?
Sabo's Fate? Vol. Alive Revolutionary Or ???
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
LOL Wait I thought he just wanted Hancock to join and wasted time explaining why he thought she had a chance. He actually sees hints of her joining?
LAWLS!
Read through all of the 100000000 pages.
Seriously even if I was wrong and Sabo is alive… But I can't take peopl seriously if they still doubt it NOW.
Sabo alive >>>>>>>>> Boa joining
Hell even Sabo joining >>>>>>>> Boa joning
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@JERK:
Greg, yes that Greg, has also declared war on your ilk. You really need to surrender for your own pathetic good.
I've said it already: when I'm proven wrong, I'll put an apology in my signature and you can mock me up for that mistake.
I already acknowledged that there's strong evidence of Sabo being alive, but so far there's nothing conclusive. There's no proof. When someone in the storyline reveals clearly that Sabo's alive, or when Sabo appears himself, then I'll be a big damned fool for doubting it, and that's that.
Really Deicide… You are seeing so much strong hints in a Boa joining but you can't see that Sabo is alive for sure?
Hancock is just some possibility that may happen or not. It's more about wanting her to join than having "proof" (because there's no proof). It's harmless fan theory.
Sabo, on the hand, is something that already happened in the story and I can't understand why keep all this "mystery" about him if there's no curveball coming from this. I mean: from this forum alone, almost 70% readers expect him to appear again, and many may have joined the "alive" camp after last chapter. What surprise would there if Sabo appears alive? Everyone is expecting it!
Maybe I'm just either too short-sighted or too imaginative, but I don't feel like Sabo needs to return, and if he returns I can't see what kind of role he may have in the story. I see that Ace existed so he'd die and force Luffy to grow up, and Ace also had ties to the greater story of the world. I don't know why reintroduce the "older brother" figure later in the story.
Well, the final definitive answer won't come soon anyway. I expect a few dozen chapters before we have any confirmation, so we will be pointlessly arguing here for some time.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I've said it already: when I'm proven wrong, I'll put an apology in my signature and you can mock me up for that mistake.
I already acknowledged that there's strong evidence of Sabo being alive, but so far there's nothing conclusive. There's no proof. When someone in the storyline reveals clearly that Sabo's alive, or when Sabo appears himself, then I'll be a big damned fool for doubting it, and that's that.
You're already a big damned fool.
Do you have any idea what Occam's Razor is.You aren't being clever, you aren't acting soberly in the face of our drunken abandon, you aren't being strategic and rational.
You've absolutely and thunderously failed to demonstrate a single reason to doubt what is shown being what it is.
What kind of moron doubts the 99% for zero reason whatsoever.
Look at who you're with. You're with bloody Sammsy.
We have Greg and Aohige. You have fucking Sammsy.
The only result of this is that you will become the next AGOG.
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I've said it already: when I'm proven wrong, I'll put an apology in my signature and you can mock me up for that mistake.
I already acknowledged that there's strong evidence of Sabo being alive, but so far there's nothing conclusive. There's no proof. When someone in the storyline reveals clearly that Sabo's alive, or when Sabo appears himself, then I'll be a big damned fool for doubting it, and that's that.
Hancock is just some possibility that may happen or not. It's more about wanting her to join than having "proof" (because there's no proof). It's harmless fan theory that has no meaning.
Sabo, on the hand, is something that already happened in the story and I can't understand why keep all this "mystery" about him if there's no curveball coming from this.
Maybe I'm just either too short-sighted or too imaginative, but I don't feel like Sabo needs to return, and if he returns I can't see what kind of role he may have in the story. I see that Ace existed so he'd die and force Luffy to grow up, and Ace also had ties to the greater story of the world. I don't know why reintroduce the "older brother" figure later in the story.
Anyway, the final definitive answer won't come soon anyway. I expect a few dozen chapters before we have any confirmation, so we will be pointlessly arguing here for some time.
Well that's why I'm amazed…
You can see so much stories, interacting and and and for Boa but not for Sabo, who is with Dragon and the lost brother of Luffy?
Really even if ODA hasn't wrote "SABO IS ALIVE" in the chapter... you can't think otherwise and see it as proof. Only small kids wouldn't see what Oda did here.
If you always need a proof... Do you have waited all the time before Oda showed Pell alive in one of the later chapter... Cuz we only see some shadow who looked like Pell after Arabasta... and Oda hasn't stated that this was him...
BTW
If the chances are 99,99999 % it is a proof... Look at paternity tests... They never are 100 % xD -
When statistical evidence warrants things in the 90 percentile generally it gets confirmed.
Hell you need less then that to convict a man in court.
But DA DUR DUR Deicide.
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Well guys, when Luffy is conclusively proven to be a human you can all mock me and call me a big damn fool.
Until then I'm right.
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LOL
Such flawed reasoning.
How about when you're proven wrong you leave the forum forever?
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The truth is, Dragon held up the leaders of the Resisitance army because he wanted to rescue a nameless background character proving that Oda can't tell a story for shit.
…wait
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Deicide would you like to bet your account.
The loser leaves AP for good.
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lol it's a good deal for you Deicide, if you win you're taking out a wide range of admins, mods, senior members and just regular good posters.
If we win we get you and Sammsy
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Guys deicide would agree that sabo is alive if you wrote such in the one piece wikia.
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But Sabo needs a longer entry in the wiki than Richard Nixon in order to be alive.
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pfiew what stuborness can lead to…
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The one good thing about the super stubborn stance is, over the last three weeks, I've had to go back and reread and relook at certain bits, and it confirms even more firmly my belief of Oda doesn't kill a character unless they have a SMILE and a passed on dream at the end. Even Kuina, Yorki and Saul smiled in the last panels we saw them in, happy with the way dreams have been divied out and that someone is going to carry on for them.
So, next time it comes up, I won't even have to look to check my facts.
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Well guys, when Luffy is conclusively proven to be a human you can all mock me and call me a big damn fool.
Until then I'm right.
What would you say if the D's were connected to or descended from those aliens Enel met?
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Anyway, I'm surprised that anyone would find the Sabo being alive thing worth bragging about, the majority thought he was alive, just look at the poll results for godsakes.
Seriously going with what's been done with every ambigious death scene ever shouldn't be considered some major victory, and yeah I was one of the people who said he died so that's just a fail on my part.
The whole situation would be like if we were watching a horror/slasher movie and we see in the movie some teens having sex, the Sabo is alive guys would be the ones to say that they'll be dead before the end of the movie, whereas me and the others saying that Sabo died in the explosion would be like the few who disagree. In this type of situation it just makes us who disagreed look dumb as hell, but for the ones who were right it really isn't much of a victory.
Calling Ace's death (without cheating with the spoiler from a year before it happened)= worth bragging about, following the predictable outcome for Sabo established in every similar situation in every form of storytelling ever be it a movie, book, tv show or videogame= not worth bragging about, I'll put in my sig official retard rather than listen to people brag over calling a trope. And I mean that.
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173 dummies voted dead though.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
173 dummies voted dead though.
And over 200 plus voted that he'd be alive and called that he'd join Dragon. Still not worth bragging about.
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And over 200 plus voted that he'd be alive and called that he'd join Dragon. Still not worth bragging about.
They were the smart ones. We're not bragging. We're throwing the obviousness of the matter in your faces. Especially to the dumbasses who still say he's dead.
Sabo being alive isn't a situation like when Ace died. It's just like you said, an obvious outcome being doubted by ppl for no real reason.
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I wish Oda said Bluejam was dead, otherwise we wouldn't have these "Dragon got Bluejam because of his potential" theories.
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Doubting Sabo died is one thing but are people seriously fucking saying it was Bluejam. Seriously??
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Bluejam was saved and brought to the ship, only to be lynched and stoned shortly after by the very people he set on fire who happened to be already taking refuge on the ship.
Dragon: …......well that was a waste of my trip.
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Denial can do strange things to a person's mind.
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Bluejam was saved and brought to the ship, only to be lynched and stoned shortly after by the very people he set on fire who happened to be already taking refuge on the ship.
UM, DRAGON WOULDNT LET THAT HAPPEND???
HE WOULD MAINTAIN ORDER AND PROTECT THE COLLABORATIONST DOG OF THE NOBLES BECAUSEBECUASE
UM
WIKIPEDIA…
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Bluejam is alive though so obviously these guys are right. He's obviously working undercover in West Blue for the revolutionaries.
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Dragon was shown on the ship when they left and the fire was done the day before, Since Ace and Dadan returned the same day that Sabo got sunk.
Bluejam is hardly weak. Aside from surviving Ace's haki, His reputation was repeatedly mentioned, So it's quite possibly that Dragon had heard of him. It's nothing like it was with Higuma. Plus I don't see what potential Sabo could apparently have that Bluejam couldn't.
Well this is the post I was dealing with on another forum.
There are several more with the same reasoning.
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How about you ask that person to bet their account.
If he/she isn't a chicken, that is.
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Well this is the post I was dealing with on another forum.
There are several more with the same reasoning.
Ask that retard not HOW Bluejam would be on the ship, but WHY.
Hmm, a child with immense potential who is from the nobility but has turned against it as Dragon directly witnessed?
Or some guy in like his 40's who is a local pirate of mediocre stature, who is also a ruthless sociopath who tried to burn alive the refugees Dragon has on his ship, and did so because he was collaborating with the motherfucking nobility.YEAH GEE, I UNNO RETARDED GUY ON ANOTHER FORUM.
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Plus I don't see what potential Sabo could apparently have that Bluejam couldn't.
This is a post from OMF right?
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How about you ask that person to bet their account.
If he/she isn't a chicken, that is.
I doubt it would change anything with that sort of guys. Thank god that level of tardism didn't show up inhere … yet.
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OneManga forum..
Onemanga forum….
ONEMANGA FORUM….
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god people are we really talking about bluejam?
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More surprised no moron's suggested Stelly was saved.
Guess even stupidity has standards.
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I don't understand the purpose of Stelly actually…....
When I die I want to get shot out of a cannon. Scare the hell out of someone.
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Well, it looks as though we in the 'dead' camp were wrong. At first, I was a bit miffed but then had a conversation with my brother and he (who was also in the 'dead' camp) brought up a couple of acceptable reasons for him to be alive.
#1:
For Luffy to have a quick, meaningful connection with Dragon. Luffy doesn't know Dragon and, up until a few weeks ago (in One Piece time), didn't even really know he had a father. Sabo, on the other hand, is his treasured brother. Ace's death and Sabo being alive and well with Dragon will provide all parties involved with a perfect reason to meet sooner than we may have expected (as I'm sure Dragon knows the story we have just been told), and will allow Dragon to quickly earn Luffy's trust/respect/whatever in a future arc. Not only that, but it will perhaps be something to help Luffy recover from the worst of Ace's death.
Because of their ship leaving two nights before the ceremony, I wasn't too keen on the 'Revolutionary' theory before. But with the events of the current chapter, I've made my peace with it. A tiny bit of information can make all the difference and, this time, pretty much did for me.#2:
The poor little kids reading Luffy's adventures. Sometimes, it's easy to forget that this is a comic for children… and children take things super seriously. I know that if I were reading One Piece as a child, recent events would have killed me. Nothing has gone particularly well for Luffy; He lost his crew, he (possibly) lost a friend and his brother, who he actually succeeded in freeing, still ended up getting horribly murdered and died in his arms. Finding out he had yet another dead brother would be a little rough to say the least.I'm still questioning why Sabo didn't show up to help Ace (or even contact either of his brothers), but I guess I'll just have to put my faith in Oda to give me an acceptable answer.
This kind of thing is why I hate breaks between chapters during such crucial events, because we set our beliefs in stone and become rather dickish defending them.
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maybe Stelly is Basco Shot?!?!?!?!? OMG!!!!!!!! jk
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I don't understand the purpose of Stelly actually…....
You don't understand? It's simple really: Stelly is in fact the real Sabo in disguise, Sabo is really Stelly in disguise, Sabo's parents made up the story of Sabo being their real son, when in reality it's Stelly, so Sabo in disguise wasn't really Ace's and Luffy's brother, it was Stelly.
So Cyan was right when he said that Dragon saved Stelly in stead of Sabo, Cause Sabo was just Stelly in disguise. You understand! -
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
How about when you're proven wrong you leave the forum forever?
How about… "no"?
Sorry, but this is just a simple discussion about a single opinion. I've been in this forum for almost 5 years (and was lurking around almost one year before I registered). I've earned that brown-colored name and that star under it by participating in discussions without disrupting them and being civil and educated towards other forumers. I won't just waste that because of a stupid mistake, or because some guys who can't stand someone thinking differently treat me like a stupid ass or compare me to bad posters like AGOG.
I respect a lot of guys like Ivotas or Aohige. I respect their opinions and I'm sure that, despite having different opinions sometimes, they don't treat me like an idiot. With very few exceptions, I never treated bad other forumers. I respect you, Zik, because you often say smart and well-thought things, despite you being very stubborn when you don't agree with someone else. I also respect Kishido, despite us often butting heads for small things in the next crewmate thread. "Agreeing" is not the most important thing here; discussing is.
(Jerk Disease is another story. I find him/her really annoying borderline troll. But even then I usually don't treat him/her like an idiot)
I can see your point of view and I get why you think something I don't agree with. I see why there's a huge possibility of Sabo being alive, and I see there's an equal huge possibility of me being wrong, but I'll stick to my guns until I see I'm wrong. I'm not ashamed of being wrong. I am, however, tired of being treated like a retarded just because I have a different opinion.
I've been following One Piece since the beginning. My first chapter was Chapter 1 and I never stopped since then. I predicted some things right: I knew Ace and Whitebeard were going to die; I knew Blackbeard would not be a "true" Shichibukai; I knew Dragon was related to Luffy since his first appearance; I predicted that Luffy's rubber body would be Enel's weakness.
But I also got a lot of things wrong. I thought Paulie was going to join; I expected Usopp to defeat a CP9 agent; I expected Buggy to return stronger.
I'm not always wrong, and I'm not always right, just like any of you. Don't like my opinion? Alright, there's nothing bad about it. You can think differently. But don't keep insulting me or my intelligence because of that.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Deicide you're really only arguing over semantics at this point, believe me I wish there was a decent argument to support Sabo being dead, but there isn't. In the end using an argument purely lying in semantics and relying on a technicality of just having not seen Sabo alive yet is just plain silly.
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I have nothing to contribute at this point I just wanted to post my sig again.
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How about… "no"?
Kittens got claws!
Sorry, but this is just a simple discussion about a single opinion. I've been in this forum for almost 5 years (and was lurking around almost one year before I registered).
lol, what the fuck does this have to do with anything?
I've earned that brown-colored name and that star under it by
Being around awhile and being non-inflammatroy. Because that is literally all it means.
There are loads of bad posters who have senior status, it's meaningless in regards to quality. And seniority to some extent, being as well, I lack the star.
participating in discussions without disrupting them and being civil and educated towards other forumers.
But certainly not making good theories and actually contributing anything memorable ever.
For example I've been here longer then you and I actually thought you were a new poster! As of last year! That's because, while non-inflammatory….well that's about the only adjective I can think of in regards to you UNTIL this debacle anyway.
The brown star is a smiley face sticker impassively given out to harmless fogies. Nothing to be proud about.
I won't just waste that because of a stupid mistake, or because some guys who can't stand someone thinking differently treat me like a stupid ass or compare me to bad posters like AGOG.
Waste?? Ahahahaha.
You have nothing.
Nothing but access to a hugbox and the color brown..
This debacle (lovin' that word) should show already how much that star is worth.Plus Ms. Suave Debonair was an asshole and a senior for years.
(Jerk Disease is another story. I find him/her really annoying borderline troll. But even then I usually don't treat him/her like an idiot)
Call me an asshole. Goddamn. Do it.
I can see your point of view and I get why you think something I don't agree with. I see why there's a huge possibility of Sabo being alive, and I see there's an equal huge possibility of me being wrong, but I'll stick to my guns until I see I'm wrong. I'm not ashamed of being wrong. I am, however, tired of being treated like a retarded just because I have a different opinion.
Probably because people dislike petty stubborness motivated either by butthurt or inane robotic adherence to mathmatic accuracy.
I've been following One Piece since the beginning. My first chapter was Chapter 1 and I never stopped since then.
BULLSHIT you were following since 97'.
But I also got a lot of things wrong. I thought Paulie was going to join; I expected Usopp to defeat a CP9 agent; I expected Buggy to return stronger.
lol
I'm not always wrong, and I'm not always right, just like any of you. Don't like my opinion? Alright, there's nothing bad about it. You can think differently. But don't keep insulting me or my intelligence because of that.
Defend the damn thing, then you can claim it as not bad.
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How about… "no"?
Won't even sink with the ship.
This isn't about your opinion. You just sound stupid holding on to this. You originally said I believe Sabo is alive but can't be certain of it. You then changed your tune to when I see that it is highly likely that Sabo is alive I'm sticking in the dead camp off of the basis of not seeing a him alive.
It's not just possible that Sabo's alive. It's insanely probable. The #s are astronomical.
Respect and earned internet stars put aside the fact you continue to come back to bring up this weak argument doesn't make sense. It actually is borderline AGOGish.
I've been following One Piece since the beginning. My first chapter was Chapter 1 and I never stopped since then.
What you're doing now would make someone outside looking in think otherwise. You're grouping yourself with those who think the anime should be discussed with the manga, those who count the Sunny, Vivi, and Carue as a part of the crew(and thus it's complete), those who think Ace will be revived, those who are still waiting for the "pirate summit", you're grouping yourself with them.
I knew Blackbeard would not be a "true" Shichibukai
Kudos although the details of that topic is a whole other argument in itself.
I predicted that Luffy's rubber body would be Enel's weakness.
LMAO. You ruined it. That's not a prediction. That's common sense.
I'm not always wrong, and I'm not always right, just like any of you. Don't like my opinion? Alright, there's nothing bad about it. You can think differently. But don't keep insulting me or my intelligence because of that.
But don't you see stubbornly standing by this is destroying your intelligence or any indication that you have any.
Sure I and many others had that gloating feeling, and then we laughed, but it's not funny anymore if you're actually serious. An argument like this is the type that's gotten AGOG infamy. You're throwing logic, the context of the story, and all reason out the window for nothing.
I'm trying to help you man. It's a terrible thing to watch a competent poster devolve before your eyes. I figured your Hancock Disease would be cured in an arc or two but this, this man
You let something like this play itself out and it may attach itself to several other posters (yes they're all lurking reading this thread now scared to post) mutate in to a more powerful threat that'll plague this forum until the story is over. -
AGOG is not a person. He is a symbol.
We are all AGOG when we make dumb theories.
Not even OP related.
When a guy claims the CIA is run by lizard men, he is AGOG.1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Deicide you're really only arguing over semantics at this point, believe me I wish there was a decent argument to support Sabo being dead, but there isn't. In the end using an argument purely lying in semantics and relying on a technicality of just having not seen Sabo alive yet is just plain silly.
I'm not trying to prove my point, because there's no reasonable proof that I can present. I was always just stating my opinion, and asking to not be treated like an idiot just because it goes against the majority's.
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People are treating you like an idiot for holding an idiotic position. Which it is.
It's indefensible in every way except for mathematics, which just leaves you with terrible odds anyway.
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@JERK:
AGOG is not a person. He is a symbol.
We are all AGOG when we make dumb theories.
Not even OP related.
When a guy claims the CIA is run by lizard men, he is AGOG.nah, when a guy claims the CIA is run by lizard men he is Sammsy. When a guy writes a hundred thousand word dissertation claiming the CIA is run by lizard men backed up by pages and pages citing the CIA's shoe size and favourite brand of biscuits, then he is AGOG.
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If Decide ends up leaving we should have a tournament to see who gets his senior status.
