Sabo's Fate? Vol. Alive Revolutionary Or ???

Zik

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Originally Posted by sgamer82
The theory I've come up with was only mentioned briefly a few pages ago. Also note that, at this point in the present, Luffy is with Trafalgar Law, who has in his crew an ex-slave of the Dragons who owes Luffy partially for his freedom. If he knows Sabo, and realizes Luffy does, too, then that's all that's needed for all hell to break loose.

I presented the same theory for the same reasons in the spoiler and chapter thread, minus the last part I left in your quote above, so I agree with you. That last part about Jean Bart is particularly interesting. I remember spamming the chapter threads about Jean Bart before we knew who he was because it seemed like Oda was going out of his way to include him in panels. Likely just a lucky guess on my part, but when he was freed I thought for sure he would play a semi-important role eventually (excluding his joining Law's crew). Ironically enough, up until you mentioned him just now I had completely forgot about him. Whether or not Oda will use him is another matter entirely, but I thought I would point out that I liked the thought behind that tidbit of speculation

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Originally Posted by Deicide
I actually think the best chance for Sabo to be alive is that he's a slave. However, I have no idea of what would become of Sabo after he's free again. What would be his role in the story then?

Oda had him thinking a lot about what freedom really is, so if you consider his background (noble), present condition (slave), and experience (pirate/thief/peasant), it seems fairly obvious his best role would be in the Revolutionary Army. There is more than enough reason for them to be included in that portion of the story, so that isn't really an issue. Also, given they didn't exist when Sabo was young, there was no way for him to know that he would have preferred that over piracy. In that aspect, it doesn't hurt his "dreams" of freedom, sailing, and writing at all.

Haven't given it much thought but I don't mind the story going this way and it'd fit if the next arc or two involve the world nobles as the main antagonists but as far as Sabo's role and story it just seems too simple. I think it's missing a twist. What I'm not sure of but Sabo suffering as a slave for 10 years just to be saved by Luffy seems a bit off.

Gizmo

The arguments Robby made and Greg's certainty in the chapter thread made me back on the fence towards Sabo's death aka I don't want to take a side and just be told I'm wrong later.

I made a super long post as to why I thought he was dead.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1670957#post1670957
And I would still be slightly irritated if he is alive since that would mean Dogura wouldn't have stuck around to check if he was okay AND if he did and there was no body I would be irritated that Dogura assumed the worst and told Luffy/Ace the worst instead of being more optimistic.

But I do think now that if Sabo did die then it would be too un-Oda like if Sabo did die this way.

Now I'm wondering whether Sabo's a revolutionary or pirate. I don't have a problem with him being alive and not being mentioned in the story before now and I'm betting Oda will have a good reason for Sabo not showing up for the war which will be shown in the future.

AND HERE'S MY CRACKPOT THEORIES

If Sabo is alive, I could see him being the eye patch character like Zik mentioned. I mentioned it in the chapter thread too. It'd mesh well with the thoughts from Greg in the chapter thread and Oda's interview about the eye patch character.

I could also see him being with the revolutionaries. The whole "Where does freedom lie" thought from Sabo is answered directly from Dragon in the chapter: following the revolutionaries.
If this is true I could see Sabo being captured by the World Noble or sneaking onboard the ship and getting captured later. THEN I want to see a cut scene to at most 4 years later with Dragon coming back and and rescuing the slaves, which would include Sabo.
It would create a good reason for Sabo to find and join the revolutionaries and show the incident that made Dragon infamous in the first place.

But dead until proven alive. I know I'm very indecisive.

BatrozX

I actually think he's dead (though I could be wrong). If he were still alive then he either became a slave or a revolutionary. Anyway I find it hard to believe that if he were still alive, as in venturing the seas, he never would have contacted Ace, especially how infamous Ace was. The reason I also think he is dead, is because in EVERY flashback story I've experienced in One Piece, someone dies. Anyway, if he's really alive or not will be told in time. For now, I will mark him as dead in my head.

Mingo22

most of the options are sooooo full of shit.

the only possible ones are the first two and the last. And any one voting for the last is voting for the first one pretty much. So basically "alive" is winning the vote by much more on a grand total scale.

Zik

@BatrozX:

I actually think he's dead (though I could be wrong). If he were still alive then he either became a slave or a revolutionary. Anyway I find it hard to believe that if he were still alive, as in venturing the seas, he never would have contacted Ace, especially how infamous Ace was. The reason I also think he is dead, is because in EVERY flashback story I've experienced in One Piece, someone dies. Anyway, if he's really alive or not will be told in time. For now, I will mark him as dead in my head.

Porschemy died.
@Mingo22:

most of the options are sooooo full of shit.

That was the point. Since there really is only 2 options based off the issue of if he's DOA. 3 if a Schrodinger cat DF does exist.

the only possible ones are the first two and the last. And any one voting for the last is voting for the first one pretty much. So basically "alive" is winning the vote by much more on a grand total scale.

I think all the ppl with sense and learned basic math know this.

castel

Saved By Kuma or Dragon and became a Revolutionary

This one is highly possible.

But well, who knows with Oda.

I survived the buster call

@sgamer82:

(lots of seriously good speculating snipped out here) Also note that, at this point in the present, Luffy is with Trafalgar Law, who has in his crew an ex-slave of the Dragons who owes Luffy partially for his freedom. If he knows Sabo, and realizes Luffy does, too, then that's all that's needed for all hell to break loose.

This guy isn't the same guy who tried to bite out his own tongue? That always confused me, I must admit. I'll go back and reread it.

Anyway, that is solid theorizing on the guy taken by Law. Interesting observation!

Is it possible Dogura saw Sabo captured/taken into slavery by the celestial dragon, and then that he lied to Luffy and Ace in a lame attempt to prevent them from going of half cocked to save him? Everyone thinks of the celestial dragons as so strong and powerful that it'd be impossible for even an adult to take action, so it could make sense that Dogura would think it'd be the kinder thing to tell the boys he was dead, and in so doing prevent them getting into major trouble themselves…

Deicide

@I:

This guy isn't the same guy who tried to bite out his own tongue? That always confused me, I must admit. I'll go back and reread it.

No, Devil Dias was the guy to cut his own tongue. Dias was among the would-be slaves being sold that were released by Franky and run away with the giant. The guy Law rescued was Jean Bart, who was already a slave of the Tenryuubito.

I survived the buster call

@Deicide:

No, Devil Dias was the guy to cut his own tongue. Dias was among the would-be slaves being sold that were released by Franky and run away with the giant. The guy Law rescued was Jean Bart, who was already a slave of the Tenryuubito.

Thanks. Saves me the trouble of looking it up myself.

mama

Maybe you are all right about Sabo being alive. I find an interesting pic on pivix.
Sabo was at the war!!!!

naaaaaa!!!! just kidding he's dead.

herr_sebbe

@mama:

naaaaaa!!!! just kidding he's dead.

Are you sure? That picture sure convinced me…

Zik

Yeah that pic pretty much sealed the deal.

Ivotas

@Deicide:

No, Devil Dias was the guy to cut his own tongue. Dias was among the would-be slaves being sold that were released by Franky and run away with the giant. The guy Law rescued was Jean Bart, who was already a slave of the Tenryuubito.

Wrong. That was Lacuba among who cut his own tongue at the auction. Devil Dias was Sharlia's runnaway slave who exploded and afterwards got shot by the latter.

I survived the buster call

@Ivotas:

Wrong. That was Lacuba among who cut his own tongue at the auction. Devil Dias was Sharlia's runnaway slave who exploded and afterwards got shot by the latter.

LOL
One Piece trivia battle of the stars–Deicide is down one to Ivotas' brilliant coup de boo. Who will reign supreme?

barkadat3p

@sgamer82:

The theory I've come up with was only mentioned briefly a few pages ago (least that's the only occurrence of the word "slave" in this whole thread).

My theory is that Sabo, if alive, was taken from his ship by the Celestial Dragon aboard it, who promptly declared the boy his newest slave. It is perhaps the only way for Sabo to be alive that wouldn't be a dramatic cop out. It legitimately explains why he never attempted to contact Luffy or Ace (he couldn't) and, if I've got my timelines right, this takes place after Fisher Tiger's attack on Marie Jois so he wouldn't have been freed since then, more likely than not.

Ever since Shabody, a conflict has been brewing between the Straw Hat Pirates and the Celestial Dragons. Luffy's attack on Charlos, Sharlia's determination to make them pay, the Boa sisters' backstory, and now the Goa Kingdom flashback, with or without Sabo being alive, puts the odds in favor of Luffy picking a major fight with the World Nobility at some point. And if it's going to happen, Fishman Island has high odds of it, since it puts Luffy in prime position to pull a repeat of Fisher Tiger's Crowning Moment of Awesome.

If so, then what better catalyst for such a fight than for Luffy to learn, right after losing one brother, that the one he thought dead all this time is still alive. The brother who craved freedom above all else has spent the last decade a slave. Is there a single person on this forum who believes for one moment that Luffy won't go charging off to Marie Jois if he should discover this. Also note that, at this point in the present, Luffy is with Trafalgar Law, who has in his crew an ex-slave of the Dragons who owes Luffy partially for his freedom. If he knows Sabo, and realizes Luffy does, too, then that's all that's needed for all hell to break loose.

But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Won't that mean another rescue arc???:unsure::unsure::unsure:

Mingo22

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

I think all the ppl with sense and learned basic math know this.

Are we both talking on the same forum??

Zik

@Mingo22:

Are we both talking on the same forum??

Yes, since there are ppl with sense and that have learned basic math on this forum.

but I dunno maybe you're the only one that's recently learned basic math and/or attained sense and felt the need to point out the obvious under the false belief that nobody but you figured it out.

Deicide

@Ivotas:

Wrong. That was Lacuba among who cut his own tongue at the auction. Devil Dias was Sharlia's runnaway slave who exploded and afterwards got shot by the latter.

Oh, sorry, I thought about Lacueva but got the name mixed with the slave that tried to escape the Tenryuubito. Sorry! :sad:

Dan Dangerously

@barkadat3p:

Won't that mean another rescue arc???:unsure::unsure::unsure:

Rescue arcs have been great so far. If we get another CP9 arc, i will not be complaining.

Palochka

IN ONE PIECE, NO ONE DIES IN FLASHBACKS. THEY ALL DIE IN THE MAIN STORY.

This is how it is now, guys. GET USED TO IT.

Dr.Octagon

@Palochka:

IN ONE PIECE, NO ONE DIES IN FLASHBACKS. THEY ALL DIE IN THE MAIN STORY.

This is how it is now, guys. GET USED TO IT.

Kuina, Bellemere, Hiluluk, Norland, the Island of Ohara, and the Rumba Pirates would like a word with you.

Halfmetal-lich

@Dr.Octagon:

Kuina, Bellemere, Hiluluk, Norland, the Island of Ohara, and the Rumba Pirates would like a word with you.

Don't forget Gol D Roger, Jaguar D Saul, Portgas D Rogue, Thatch, everyone who died in Trash Mountain, and god knows how many cannon fodder marines

Ivotas

@Dr.Octagon:

Kuina, Bellemere, Hiluluk, Norland, the Island of Ohara, and the Rumba Pirates would like a word with you.

@Halfmetal-lich:

Don't forget Gol D Roger, Jaguar D Saul, Portgas D Rogue, Thatch, everyone who died in Trash Mountain, and god knows how many cannon fodder marines

Arlong Park Forums reading comprehension. Always top notch!

RomanceDawn

@Dr.Octagon:

Kuina, Bellemere, Hiluluk, Norland, the Island of Ohara, and the Rumba Pirates would like a word with you.

Pretty certain he means now a'days all the deaths are in the present. Hints the "this is how it is NOW guys. get used to it".

I survived the buster call

That was how I read it too, Romance, lol.

Ah the irony with regards to reading comp.

HaxeyeMihawk

Pretty sure that he was just being sarcastic.

IceBorg

@Palochka:

IN ONE PIECE, NO ONE DIES IN FLASHBACKS. THEY ALL DIE IN THE MAIN STORY.

This is how it is now, guys. GET USED TO IT.

People need glasses, seriously.

Dr.Octagon

Sorry but the "NO ONE" and "ALL" in that sentence parses as a broad generalization to me.

OTOH, I don't care either way. I figured Palochka was joking; otherwise I'd have to assume they never read the story at all. It was just an irresistable dig.

ilman

Alive till proven dead

Deicide

@ilman:

Alive till proven dead

I think "dead till proven alive" is more accurate.

If we never see Sabo again, he's dead. If he appears again, than it's proven he's alive.

In short, there's no need of "proof" that he's dead.

Zik

So everybody thinks Gin is dead?

LAWLS

Deicide

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

So everybody thinks Gin is dead?

WHat makes you think that?

Zik

@Deicide:

WHat makes you think that?

Your last post .

However, I don't think that way. I'm just going off of what you just said.

Deicide

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

Your last post .

The difference between Sabo and Gin is clear: Gin was seen sailing away as badass as ever, carrying the unconscious bodies of Krieg and his entire crew with him.

Sabo was a little strong boy whose last scene was being shot by a bazooka. Then we see his hat, partially destroyed, falling over the sea, which could be taken as a symbolic way to show he's dead.

For both cases, they can be either dead or alive. But Sabo being dead is a lot more likely than Gin being dead.

Zik

@Deicide:

The difference between Sabo and Gin is clear: Gin was seen sailing away as badass as ever, carrying the unconscious bodies of Krieg and his entire crew with him.

They both were last seen in life threatening situations. Gin; poisoned sailing away with beaten crew and Sabo; sunken/destroyed ship.

Sabo was a little strong boy whose last scene was being shot by a bazooka. Then we see his hat, partially destroyed, falling over the sea, which could be taken as a symbolic way to show he's dead.

The same way Ace's hat was last seen after he lost to BB, eh?

For both cases, they can be either dead or alive. But Sabo being dead is a lot more likely than Gin being dead.

I'd disagree and say it's likely they're both alive. I'd say Gin is slightly more likely to be alive than Sabo but you could argue they're equal since they both made a promise to meet again.

Deicide

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

They both were last seen in life threatening situations. Gin; poisoned sailing away with beaten crew and Sabo; sunken/destroyed ship.

But one of them was seen clearly alive the last time, and didn't appear to be deadly weakened either. If Sabo's dead, his death was on-panel, even if we didn't see his body. If Gin's dead, his death would be off-panel. That's a big difference.

The same way Ace's hat was last seen after he lost to BB, eh?

Ace's hat was not shredded or ripped. It was intact. And that final scene left many questioning if he had survived his encounter with Blackbeard. Later confirmation made it clear he was alive.

The point is that for Sabo to be alive, we need confirmation that he's alive; if it never comes, he's dead. If we keep waiting for confirmation for "death", we may never get any. So, at least in my opinion, it's easier to consider him dead until proven otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if he were confirmed alive later, it's just how I prefer to acknowledge the situation right now.

I'd disagree and say it's likely they're both alive. I'd say Gin is slightly more likely to be alive than Sabo but you could argue they're equal since they both made a promise to meet again.

GIn made the promise after being poisoned and knowing he was going to die. Sabo made it before being shot by a bazooka. I think that makes Gin's promise a little stronger than Sabo's, but that's just me.

Zik

@Deicide:

But one of them was seen clearly alive the last time, and didn't appear to be deadly weakened either. If Sabo's dead, his death was on-panel, even if we didn't see his body. If Gin's dead, his death would be off-panel. That's a big difference.

Seen clearly alive dying form poison no? I mean you yourself later on in the post say Gin knew he was dying from it.

Sabo on the other hand made a promise since he was departing without saying goodbye to his brothers and would have more resolve and conviction to survive through a bump in the road like getting his ship destroyed as his journey just started. Gin would need to have luck on his side since resolve and conviction to keep a promise or reach a dream is not going to cure poison.

Ace's hat was not shredded or ripped. It was intact.

If that's really your argument it's weak as fuck. You're basically saying when comparing those two symbolic scenes that the hat being torn a bit indicates death.

And that final scene left many questioning if he had survived his encounter with Blackbeard. Later confirmation made it clear he was alive.

My point exactly.

The point is that for Sabo to be alive, we need confirmation that he's alive; if it never comes, he's dead. If we keep waiting for confirmation for "death", we may never get any. So, at least in my opinion, it's easier to consider him dead until proven otherwise. I wouldn't be surprised if he were confirmed alive later, it's just how I prefer to acknowledge the situation right now.

Okay. To each his own.

GIn made the promise after being poisoned and knowing he was going to die. Sabo made it before being shot by a bazooka. I think that makes Gin's promise a little stronger than Sabo's, but that's just me.

So Gin made the promise knowing he couldn't fulfill it since he knew he would die and Sabo made it before his encounter with the world noble and you think Gin is more likely to be alive based off of that?

Deicide

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

If that's really your argument it's weak as fuck. You're basically saying when comparing those two symbolic scenes that the hat being torn a bit indicates death.

When we are talking about symbols, little details like that matter, yes.

So Gin made the promise knowing he couldn't fulfill it since he knew he would die and Sabo made it before his encounter with the world noble and you think Gin is more likely to be alive based off of that?

The fact that Gin made the promise despite being poisoned and knowing he would probably die does make it more likely that he would survive the poison. This is One Piece, after all, and resolve matters a lot.

Then again, just like Sabo, if we never see Gin again, he's probably dead.

Mr. Zoro

I say he's alive.

If he's dead, then it pretty much would have been pointless to the flashback, and Oda could've easily just left him out, along with the troubles he had with his family.

I think he'll make an appearance at the modern time of the manga, as a revolutionary or some BA pirate.

Or as a plothole saver. It's handy to have one of those every now and then :)

Zorororo3

Zik Should Have 1 Of Those Star Thingies!

bepo

i hope sabo is death, otherwise i lose a bet i made three chapters ago

I survived the buster call

@bepo:

i hope sabo is death, otherwise i lose a bet i made three chapters ago

Sabo ate the 'dinger 'dinger fruit, and is a state of partial existence as we speak.

(And Zik, I'm not gonna say you wrote the pole options with a bit of a prejudicial slant, but… :wassat:)

So what was the bet--what'll you have to do if you lose?

Zik

@Deicide:

When we are talking about symbols, little details like that matter, yes.

No. They don't.

The fact that Gin made the promise despite being poisoned and knowing he would probably die does make it more likely that he would survive the poison. This is One Piece, after all, and resolve matters a lot.

And I'm saying the fact that Sabo made a promise despite having his ship blown up and possibly hurt and even near death makes it more likely he'd survive than Gin.

Resolve does matter but it does not cure poison. There isn't any time in this story where resolve alone saved a character from a deadly poison or illness. If that was the case Roger would be alive:ninja:

Then again, just like Sabo, if we never see Gin again, he's probably dead.

Same for Luffy's mom.
@I:

And Zik, I'm not gonna say you wrote the pole options with a bit of a prejudicial slant, but… :wassat:

The first two are the only two that matter. The last option is the same as the first, it's just popular speculation added to it.

The rest are for shits and giggles (option 3:ninja:). There isn't many other ways to say a character is dead or none that I bothered to think of. I guess could've added an option where Sabo becomes a time traveler but gets stuck in an infinite loop where he dying at sea but oh well.

Sage

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

I guess could've added an option where Sabo becomes a time traveler but gets stuck in an infinite loop where he dying at sea but oh well.

Or Sabo getting pissed that Oda tried to blow him up and so he ended up in the next chapter of Fairy Tale thinking he would just fit in 0_o…..totally random.

Camel Toe? Uh yea...nvm.

I survived the buster call

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

The first two are the only two that matter. The last option is the same as the first, it's just popular speculation added to it.

The rest are for shits and giggles (option 3:ninja:). There isn't many other ways to say a character is dead or none that I bothered to think of. I guess could've added an option where Sabo becomes a time traveler but gets stuck in an infinite loop where he dying at sea but oh well.

Yeah, 'bout that option 3… :getlost:

Ah, I'm just bored and messing with ya--although I do sort of like that time traveling option...

So, I see you brought up Luffy's mom. Are you suggesting that she is going to magically be on AL and will show up to comfort him now that Ace is gone? :ninja: (It's as good as some of the other "theories" that've surfaced...)

Zik

@I:

Yeah, 'bout that option 3… :getlost:

Ah, I'm just bored and messing with ya--although I do sort of like that time traveling option...

So, I see you brought up Luffy's mom. Are you suggesting that she is going to magically be on AL and will show up to comfort him now that Ace is gone? :ninja: (It's as good as some of the other "theories" that've surfaced...)

LMAO. Bringing up Luffy's mom was a joke. In fact I hate any speculation about her.

Comforting Luffy speculation is just sad. His mom would fit the role to do it if it weren't for the fact that she didn't raise him and there isn't much of a bond.

FTR, if Sabo shows up on AL he wouldn't comfort Luffy, he'd tell him to get off of his ass and go on another adventure.

Ne0

The relationship between Ace and Luffy hardly justifies doing this "LATE" of a flashback. Killing off the main characters one after another isn't quite like Oda, but then again maybe Oda is on a killing spree ?
I wish for Sabo to stay alive …We are completely in the dark until Oda sheds some more light on this subject.

Rated this thread excellent, especially for the reference to Schroedinger's cat !

Deicide

@Ne0:

Killing off the main characters one after another isn't quite like Oda, but then again maybe Oda is on a killing spree ?
?

Oda didn't kill any main character.

Or are you suggesting Sabo, Whitebeard and Ace are protagonists of One Piece?

brennen.exe

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

The same way Ace's hat was last seen after he lost to BB, eh?

The same way Hiruluk's hat was last seen after he set off the bomb in front of the castle, eh?

Zik

@brennen.exe:

The same way Hiruluk's hat was last seen after he set off the bomb in front of the castle, eh?

But Hirkuluk was dying anyway. The symbolization doesn't apply to dying men.