Sabo's Fate? Vol. Alive Revolutionary Or ???

brennen.exe

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

But Hirkuluk was dying anyway.

If that's really your argument it's weak as fuck. You're basically saying when comparing those two symbolic scenes that him being poisoned takes away from the fact that his hat symbolizes him being gone forever.

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

The symbolization doesn't apply to dying men.

The fact that Hiruluk made the promise despite being poisoned and knowing he would probably die does make it more likely that he would survive the poison. This is One Piece, after all, and resolve matters a lot.

Zik

@brennen.exe:

http://www.erinjackson.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/cmon_son.jpg

If that's really your argument it's weak as fuck. You're basically saying when comparing those two symbolic scenes that him being poisoned takes away from the fact that his hat symbolizes him being gone forever.

The fact that Hiruluk made the promise despite being poisoned and knowing he would probably die does make it more likely that he would survive the poison. This is One Piece, after all, and resolve matters a lot.

This copy and paste job was poorly executed and you took the liberty of adding sentences for it to further not make sense and didn't even bother to sub out words so it could apply to Hiruluk.

Mugiwara_no_Ice

And how does this argument diminish the contra argument of ace's hat??

Ivotas

@Deicide:

Oda didn't kill any main character.

Or are you suggesting Sabo, Whitebeard and Ace are protagonists of One Piece?

Don't even friggin' joke about it!

brennen.exe

Awww, come on. It's no fun when I have to explain it.

Sabo's "death", be it permanent or temporary, was depicted by a destroyed hat falling to the ocean after an explosion. Hiruluk's "death", be it permanent or temporary, was depicted by a hat falling to the snow after an explosion. Ace's fight with Blackbeard ended with his hat on the floor, leading us to believe he might have died. Sabo and Hiruluk are both flashback characters, notorious for dying, while Ace was a present-time character who ended up dying anyway. Hiruluk was going to die from poison, and knowing he would die he still promised Chopper he would return when he left the cliff-house. Gin was going to die by poisoning, and knowing he would die he still promised Luffy he would meet him in the Grand Line when he left the Baratie.

Zik

I know what you attempted to do

Hiruluk made a promise akin to Kuina's. Lying for the sake of sparing someone's feelings due to his bond with Chopper. There is no such bond between Luffy and Gin. At best you could say there's one with Gin and Sanji (not that it matters).

Regardless of that, had his circumstance been equal to Gin's I just finished arguing that Sabo would still be more likely to live than him.

So from what I gather you're arguing Hiruluk has a chance of being alive or sarcastically saying both Hiruluk and Gin are dead. Oh well I know Gin will return so I don't really need to bother arguing that.

Mingo22

despite any argument ppl pose we'll know for sure in a few months time if he's a revolutionary. Because if oda intends to introduce him present time it'd probably be when revolutionaries bring robin back.

Rex Kamex

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

I thought the last thing we saw of him being his hat (just like Ace after fighting BB) was a dead give away.

Well, yeah, there was that, but the thing that really made me think of Ace was the debate of whether or not someone was dead, with fans taking sides and not knowing the answer instantly. Either because if wasn't revealed for chapters and chapters, like with Ace, or because there was at least a one week break between chapters, like with Sabo.

Zik

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JERK DISEASE

@brennen.exe:

Zik

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Close poll.

Retsudo

Victory has a hundred fathers, but defeat is an orphan.

JERK DISEASE

I'm glad we found out so quickly. It would have been a pain to have to wait.

mama

@Ivotas:

Don't even friggin' joke about it! http://www.emoticons.free.fr/smileys/Emotion-Scare/nerves.gif

Oda didn't kill any main character.

Or are you suggesting Sabo, Whitebeard and Ace are protagonists of One Piece?

Is it better???

Deicide

With that small scene with Dragon this chapter, there's a bigger chance of Sabo being alive.

I'm still on the "dead" camp for now. Just because arguing it now doesn't interest me.

Zik

@Deicide:

With that small scene with Dragon this chapter, there's a bigger chance of Sabo being alive.

I'm still on the "dead" camp for now. Just because arguing it now doesn't interest me.

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You already voted. It's too late for you to join the alive camp anyway lol.

Deicide

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

You already voted. It's too late for you to join the alive camp anyway lol.

Duh, I'm not exchanging votes. I'm just acknowledging that his chances of survival are higher now.

Zik

@Deicide:

Duh, I'm not exchanging votes. I'm just acknowledging that his chances of survival are higher now.

Why continue this charade?

You're the type that's going to wait until he appears in the manga with a txt box with his name in it and say "Well it's a pretty high percentage that Sabo survived and is alive."?

JERK DISEASE

Jesus fucking christ Deicide.

Deicide

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

Why continue this charade?

You're the type that's going to wait until he appears in the manga with a txt box with his name in it and say "Well it's a pretty high percentage that Sabo survived and is alive."?

No, I'm the type of guy who for now thinks that Sabo returning is not a required thing for the story, but wouldn't be surprised in the least if it ended up happening. And I don't know why that bother you.

The scene with Dragon is a very strong hint that Sabo may be alive… or it may be a red herring that will only make sense once we get to a future revolutionary arc. While most people are more inclined to think the former, I'm still not convinced that Sabo needs to come back to the storyline. If he were to never return, his (up to this moment) role in the story wouldn't suffer anything. He did not left any dangling plot threads afterall.

JERK DISEASE

Sabo is an Ace level character of importance to Luffy.
It's INARGUABLY important to the story. And that's not even getting to his Dragon association now gained.

Most people are inclined to know the former, because it's whats happened.
People were making this same bullshit argument for Perona.

Authors, least of all those writing for preteen boys in a simple comic book, don't pull red herrings like this.

Red Herrings have a purpose too. They aren't just random "fucking" with the audience moments. They're made to distract from a real deal. To play on our assumptions to make a point.

You're "rationalization" of this scene is without the remotest purpose.

Retsudo

Deicide do you believe in admitting defeat.

Zik

@Deicide:

No, I'm the type of guy who for now thinks that Sabo returning is not a required thing for the story

And I don't know why that bother you.

That doesn't but it came off as what I just said. I've long given up on convincing anyone of the obvious.

or it may be a red herring that will only make sense once we get to a future revolutionary arc.

While most people are more inclined to think the former, I'm still not convinced that Sabo needs to come back to the storyline.

So, you are waiting for Sabo to appear in present time with a txt box next to him with his name in it.

If you can't think of what his role will be or something that's fine most ppl didn't know Ace's role would be to die.… and Sabo's would be to appear dead and come back later.

I'm guessing you're not convinced Bentham needs to come back to the story line either?

JERK DISEASE

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Retsudo

I'm not sure whether or not I find Deicide's defiance in the face of overwhelming power admirable or silly.

Maybe both.

Fisticuffs

That nigga dead.

KKRP12

@Fisticuffs:

That nigga dead.

You, sir, have just won this thread.

y2kyle89

So… yeah.

Kishido

Sabo is alive… I dunno why people still doubt it. It couldn't be more clearly even if Dragon didn't said his name.

The rest of Sabo's story will be cleared later when he appears.

But funny both Ace and Sabo wanted to be captains... But both ended as a member of someone else.

Can't wait to see Sabo.

Senti

@Del:

Sabo is resistent to bombs, he is in fact healthy, living as one of the commanders of the Arabastan guard.

16 characters of LOL

I think he's alive, but that's just cause I like him and want him to live.

Sea

@Fisticuffs:

That nigga dead.

When Sabo's fate is revealed, I imagine this would be your reaction.
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Cyan D. Funk

Sabo's Schrodinger for me until we see him in the present.

@Fisticuffs:

That nigga dead.

You're stealing Sarus' shit.

Airflow

lol Deicide's still arguing.

Admit defeat now, it'll prepare you for when Hancock fails to join.

Kishido

Now that we know for 99,9 % that SABO is alive…

1. how do you think will he look and what will be his fighting style.

I think he will be a completely bad-ass and maybe he will use still the pipe as "figting style" like a dirty street fighter (similar to Cody of SF) or he will have an awesome DF.

2. What will he say to Luffy and explain why he never showed up or helped rescuing ACE?

3. What will be his position in Dragon's army

Del

@KiShiDo:

Now that we know for 99,9 % that SABO is alive…

1. how do you think will he look and what will be his fighting style.

I think he will be a completely bad-ass and maybe he will use still the pipe as "figting style" like a dirty street fighter (similar to Cody of SF) or he will have an awesome DF.

2. What will he say to Luffy and explain why he never showed up or helped rescuing ACE?

3. What will be his position in Dragon's army

! 1.
2. "Sorry Luffy, but saving thousands of slaves > saving 1 person. By the way I also saved Robin, so… do you forgive me? :ninja:"
3. He is ordering the guys that use animal themes... Top position.

Darkstorm

@Airflow:

Admit defeat now, it'll prepare you for when Hancock fails to join.

Hancock has to join, her one piece wikia entry is so large.

Kishido

@Darkstorm:

Hancock has to join, her one piece wikia entry is so large.

xD xD xD xD xD

Has Airflow or someone else really said that?

Muda Muda no Mi

@KiShiDo:

xD xD xD xD xD

Has Airflow or someone else really said that?

I'd point you to JerkDisease's signature, but it's been changed…

...suffice to say, Darkstorm's referring to this post:

@Deicide:

http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kureha
http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Hancock

Let me see… Hancock's Personality, Relationships, Abilities and Powers and History sections are a lot bigger and more complex than Kureha's.

Kishido

@Muda:

I'd point you to JerkDisease's signature, but it's been changed…

...suffice to say, Darkstorm's referring to this post:

xD xD xD ROFL xD xD xD

Why it is bigger. Cuz fanboys are writing all shit there.

Well back on topic

The Dragon/Luffy/Sabo relationship is really interesting

Who knows how much?

Why is Kuma knowing that Luffy is Dragon's but not Iva? Does Sabo know it or not? And if yes why didn't he mentioned Luffy or told Dragon that Luffy will try to rescue Ace?

Same for Luffy. Why is Ace knowing about Dragon and it was never said to Luffy?

Why Sabo never showed up once again?

and so on…

Deicide

@Retsudo:

Deicide do you believe in admitting defeat.

Why? Isn't admiting that the opposite of my opinion is a big possibility enough for now? It's more than what every single one of you are willing to do.

The day I'm proven wrong, I'll be wrong and that will be that. But right now none of you can prove that I'm wrong. Being in the minority does not make me automatically wrong.

Airflow

Except it's not a big possibility in the slightest, Oda wouldn't waste precious panel space on something as utterly irrelevant as the revolutionaries finding people injured from trash mountain.

Plus there's the timing thing Aohige pointed out.

Zik

At least you proved me right about what I said.

Sammsy

@Deicide:

Why? Isn't admiting that the opposite of my opinion is a big possibility enough for now? It's more than what every single one of you are willing to do.

The day I'm proven wrong, I'll be wrong and that will be that. But right now none of you can prove that I'm wrong. Being in the minority does not make me automatically wrong.

Nothing wrong with your stance, I'm also in the stance of don't update Wiki as Sabo being alive until its proven.

The same as I was not accepting Aikanu as a logia until had definate proof. I am not going to argue Sabo is dead, and neither did I argue Aikanu wasn't a Logia, but I'm not going to say Sabo is alive, nor did I say Aikanu was a logia until the chapter he was clearly missing body parts logia style.

Zik

LMAO @ being concerned with the One Piece wiki.

No words for not realizing Akainu was a logia.

Deicide

@Airflow:

Except it's not a big possibility in the slightest, Oda wouldn't waste precious panel space on something as utterly irrelevant as the revolutionaries finding people injured from trash mountain.

I never said that. I said the scene could be a red herring that would gain significance later in the story when we see what Dragon did that day. FOr example, maybe the one injured was Dragon himself, after he did something to the tenryuubito in Goa Kingdom that day. I never said anything about random people being hurt.

If you wish for me to admit defeat, then the day Sabo is proven alive, I'll put a "Sorry, I was wrong about Sabo" in my signature. Until that day comes, none of you has any right to call me "wrong" or "defeated".

Plus there's the timing thing Aohige pointed out.

Which makes the red herring more convincing, if it's really a red herring.

Retsudo

People thought it was possible that Sakazuki wasn't a logia? Wow.

Anyway, One Piece is a comic book for kids and teenagers. Let's not overanalyze it.

Sammsy

@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:

LMAO @ being concerned with the One Piece wiki.

No words for not realizing Akainu was a logia.

i didn't say i didn't realize he was a logia, just said i wasn't going to refer to his type of fruit until it was proven.

is that wrong?

and wiki is a figure of speach. It's like saying don't put it in writing until you know its true. 99.9999 (infinity nines) % is not true. So if there was some fan databook or whatever that people put out, it would be WRONG to put he is alive in there, even if they end up right.

and as said dragon could have been hurt, could have been any number of other trash survivors that didn't get on the boat that day but he found later, could have been sabo, could have been bluejam, hell dragon could have stopped at another island for all we know. All hints and logic lead to Sabo being the person, but as I said, don't put it into fact until it is.

Halfmetal-lich

99.9% chance that it's Sabo, but we won't know until later, could just be Dragon having got injured doing something.

Sammsy

@Halfmetal-lich:

99.9% chance that it's Sabo, but we won't know until later, could just be Dragon having got injured doing something.

yes, thats what i'm saying. Just don't throw it into a databook until proven.

I believe it was Sabo

But it could be anything else. Lets take a reader twist here. We are all thought into this Sabo character this flashback and get to like him and then find out he dies, but then get this small hint that he is alive. We hope for him. but what also did we get this chapter that we all just read past and not second glance even at. The missing treasure. Did it burn up? Did someone find it? What if Bluejam survived and then got treasure and also dragon found him and that was who needed healing?

Do I believe this, no, just throwing out some random thought that would be a twist to us and have us all thinking and hoping for sabo only to find out later it was bluejam all along when we meet him and get the rest of the flashback revealed.

Speaking of this though, wonder what changed Iva-san. In prison he was all about not healing random pirates for no reason and here he jumps to "heal him guys" as soon as he sees a severily injured person

Deicide

Oda put that scene there knowing full well that everyone would jump to the conclusion that it was Sabo that needed help. It fits perfectly, right? But why make so much mystery for something that everyone is now convinced will happen? Why not just show the injured Sabo and be done with it already? Everyone is expecting him to be alive, so where's the surprise of him being revealed alive, if someone knows he's alive anyway?

But if that's a red herring, and this is actually something else that will have huge importance in a future arc, the scene still gets significance, but people will actually be surprised when everything is revealed. Maybe when we finally get to Dragon in the main story, there will be a Dragon flashback showing what happened, and we get to see something completely unexpected that leads to that scene.

I don't know what Oda intends to do with this. For simplicity's sake, I'll stand by the "dead" camp. If I'm proven wrong, I'll put a big apology in my signature, ok?

@Sammsy:

Speaking of this though, wonder what changed Iva-san. In prison he was all about not healing random pirates for no reason and here he jumps to "heal him guys" as soon as he sees a severily injured person

Because civilians and innocents are not the same as random pirates, I'd say. Almost everyone in Impel Down deserves to be there.