Pell not dying is terrible, but it sure as fuck doesn't ruin an entire arc. What an awful sentiment.
Most Disappointing Thing in One Piece
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Also, I really hope that Crocodile was on drugs before and also messing with a ton of people. Because he's terrible as a good guy. I won't get into arguing stuff, but I'd side with him not being redeemed, because it would be incredibly lame if he was.
Do you even read One Piece?
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@Badass:
Death=Good Arc to you, apparently.
Yes. If somebody chops off your head, you should end up dead, and if you are holding a bomb that is meant to blow up a massive building and beyond, you don't end up with some broken bones and dirt on your face, you end up obliterated and dead. It doesn't matter how "strong" you are, you cannot survive that.
@Badass:
This is one of the reasons you dislike the Alabasta arc? Really?
Yeah. Am I the only one who noticed that or something?
@Badass:
You realize nobody had died in any arc prior to the War at Marineford, right?
So do you find all those arcs disappointing because no one died?
In the ones before Alabasta, there was no reason for anybody to die, because it was the beginning of the story. When there's a guy throwing a country into a civil war, people should end up dying. That's only reasonable.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people? Who the hell called me a dumbfuck for this?
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Yes. If somebody chops off your head, you should end up dead, and if you are holding a bomb that is meant to blow up a massive building and beyond, you don't end up with some broken bones and dirt on your face, you end up obliterated and dead. It doesn't matter how "strong" you are, you cannot survive that.
So you hate every arc that isn't Marineford? Fascinating.
Yeah. Am I the only one who noticed that or something?
You were the only one petty and weird enough to care.
In the ones before Alabasta, there was no reason for anybody to die,
Well hello there absolute nonsense!
because it was the beginning of the story. When there's a guy throwing a country into a civil war, people should end up dying. That's only reasonable.
What about when huge pitched battles between criminals take place? Or desperate hijacking attempts on commercial liners? Or ethnic cleansing apartheid island occupations? Or assassin islands filled with bounty hunters? Or an attempted counter-coup in a kingdom?
Oh hey look your point is dumb as shit.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people? Who the hell called me a dumbfuck for this?
If it quacks like a duck.
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Honestly, look at Wapol - he is pretty much the same as Crocodile as a corrupt and uncaring king who took his entire country hostage and he got redeemed in a cover story. Enel destroyed his home island in its entirely and he also got his way.
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Even if Croc doesn't get redeemed I'm looking forward to his backstory and Gecko Morias; I wonder if people here would be more adversed to Croc being redeemed because so many more people like Croc as a villain.
I'm sure Moria's will be revealed in the inevitable Kaido arc, I liked Croc a million times more than Moria, but the mystique of Moria's past is more interesting, how he lost his crew, how he used to be as powerful as a Yonkou (before he was a yonkou likely, but still) and particuarly why he got this view that only zombies were needed. Both of these characters got beaten in the past, but Croc lost his dream and settled on finding power in ancient weapons to get revenge, while Moria still wanted to be Pirate King, but went about it in a much weaker way. By the time he was fighting Jinbei he was such a "shadow lol" of his former self that he couldn't even best the tenth commander of WB's army, Doflamingo said much the same, shame I still hate his design and his personality, but his underlying story is epic as hell.
Wapol is another interesting case study, but I feel like his character is less villainous and more stupid, some hate that characteristic but I think it makes him interesting, he's my favorite cover story because it chronicles the man who at first still views things very narrowly as king, that he is entitled just because of who he is and deserves everything, but then without people around him feeding that belief, he realizes that he has nothing and finally admits it, and then just tries to survive as a poor man, I don't feel like he was evil in the way others were, he had the ability to tell right from wrong but it wasn't the same choice it was for the others, he was a gullible idiot that defined the ignorance of the political elite, divorced from that insular setting he had the ability to open his eyes.
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I beg to differ. Alabasta was disappointing in its entirety because nobody died, Vivi was incredibly annoying, and Crocodile started off kind of cool. Also it made no sense that all the major good guys (i.e.: Vivi, Kohza, Pell) were very white, despite the place resembling somewhere in the middle east.
The thing with nobody dying was disappointing, because it made it clear that the good guys win not because they are good but because they are lucky because they are the good guys. That's why alabasta was disappointing.
Damn. What is this guy smoking? Don't you know drugs are bad for you?
In the ones before Alabasta, there was no reason for anybody to die, because it was the beginning of the story. When there's a guy throwing a country into a civil war, people should end up dying. That's only reasonable.
Seriously, what the hell is wrong with some of you people? Who the hell called me a dumbfuck for this?
So you're saying not a single person died in Alabasta's civil war?
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People Dies in One piece but…off-screen.
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Honestly, look at Wapol - he is pretty much the same as Crocodile as a corrupt and uncaring king who took his entire country hostage and he got redeemed in a cover story. Enel destroyed his home island in its entirely and he also got his way.
Croc can be redeemed, that wasn't the problem. But some people were saying that Croc could be redeemed whereas Arlong couldn't because Arlong killed Bellemere and Croc failed to kill Pell. And I really don't agree.
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Also it made no sense that all the major good guys (i.e.: Vivi, Kohza, Pell) were very white, despite the place resembling somewhere in the middle east.
A fictional Middle East themed island, populated by white people, just like the real Middle East is populated by Caucasian race that is generally known as the "white race"?
Outrageous.
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Also, I really hope that Crocodile was on drugs before and also messing with a ton of people. Because he's terrible as a good guy. I won't get into arguing stuff, but I'd side with him not being redeemed, because it would be incredibly lame if he was.
I truly feel bad for you…
I hope you get the help you need
Yes. If somebody chops off your head, you should end up dead, and if you are holding a bomb that is meant to blow up a massive building and beyond, you don't end up with some broken bones and dirt on your face, you end up obliterated and dead. It doesn't matter how "strong" you are, you cannot survive that.
It's a manga about a rubber pirate who fights people made of Magma, Ice and Sand…
It's not suppose to be realistic
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I suppose there is a bit of 'more skewed than usual' realism in One Piece from time to time.
Doesn't mean it cheapens the whole arc, by any means. But when people are built up to be a GREAT SACRIFICE, and they survive through some… insurmountable odds, it's like 'Don't worry, they aren't dead after all!', as is the case with Pell. I guess it is to take the edge off the end of the arc, to have a 'happy finale' and then move on to the next adventure? Still seems... off to me, but hey. It's a kid's program, to a degree (although some surprisingly adult/world/corruption issues arise, I mean
! Nico Robin's past, and the World Government FUCKING KILLING ANYONE who tried to unearth the 'Blank History'..
Seriously, for trying to 'sugar-coat' reality, it's very blunt about the extreme corruption in the world. There is some kind of weird balancing act going on here XD It seems to work though, regardless of the issues. -
A fictional Middle East themed island, populated by white people, just like the real Middle East is populated by Caucasian race that is generally known as the "white race"?
Outrageous.
Not to front, but the whole "CAUCASOID, NEGROID" stuff is all obsolete pseudo science.
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Whitebeard or Blackbeard should have killed Sengoku at least in the whitebeard war and did the marines lose anything?
People without names don't count and i bet next war the marines will have more people next time.
None of the warlords died and we found out Moriah lived.after all Sengoku just retired not like it matters he got replaced anyways.
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Um I think you mean Caucasoidbeard and Negroidbeard.
Also Australoidbeard and Mongoloidbeard.
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Well the Marines sort of ''won'' this war. After all the strongest yonkou died and they've managed to wipe out Roger's bloodline. However you have to see the bigger picture because the one who gained the most out of it is Blackbeard, not only did he gather a powerful crew in the midst of the chaos he also got his hands on Whitebeard's powers and declared this era his own.
You should also take Whitebeard's speech at the end into account (''One Piece exists!'') which is now encarved into peoples' minds.
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I expected Sengoku and Garp to be involved in some soft of vigilantism, or at some point betray the WG-in a certain sense, so I have no problem with them not dying.
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Note: i didnt read all 117 replys so somone mite have put this down.
Not only did this sadden me but WHY I ask did Oda haft to kill Ace, Ace was a epic character to me.. that still bothers me to this very day…
Yeah… I got nothing 
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Not only did this sadden me but WHY I ask did Oda haft to kill Ace, Ace was a epic character to me.. that still bothers me to this very day…
Whitebeard dying opened up a lot of doors for Luffy in the new world, plus he and Ace would have been enormous competitors in the NW. And Ace dying gave the necessary shock and reality check for Luffy to serious the heck up without having to kill a Strawhat member.
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Originally posted by Reyairia
Whitebeard dying opened up a lot of doors for Luffy in the new world, plus he and Ace would have been enormous competitors in the NW. And Ace dying gave the necessary shock and reality check for Luffy to serious the heck up without having to kill a Strawhat member.I admit you have a good point
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Note: i didnt read all 117 replys so somone mite have put this down.
Not only did this sadden me but WHY I ask did Oda haft to kill Ace, Ace was a epic character to me.. that still bothers me to this very day…
Considering Oda planned to kill Ace from the start you need to start realizing that you hold a dumb imagined value on the character that bears no resemblance to the reality he had in purpose.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Considering Oda planned to kill Ace from the start you need to realise that you hold a dumb imagined value on the character that bears no resemblance to the reality he had in purpose.
Those are some big words, Practicly tho your saying that if somone has a favorite OP character they are stupid for it and how did Oda plan to kill Ace from the start…?
Yeah… I got nothing 
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Those are some big words, Practicly tho your saying that if somone has a favorite OP character they are stupid for it and how did Oda plan to kill Ace from the start…?
That's not what he meant.
@JERK:
Considering Oda planned to kill Ace from the start you need to start realizing that you hold a dumb imagined value on the character that bears no resemblance to the reality he had in purpose.
I think xX Rob Lucci Xx accepts Ace's death, but just thinks its sad Oda killed what to him, was an epic character. I don't think that he was disappointed in Oda as an author for it.
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I think xX Rob Lucci Xx accepts Ace's death, but just thinks its sad Oda killed what to him, was an epic character. I dont think that he was disappointed in Oda as an author for it.
Yea thats what i meant.. Thanks for explaining Reyairia.
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and how did Oda plan to kill Ace from the start…?
Oda almost certainly planned on Ace dying from his introduction, as from their beginnings he and Teach were practically introduced together - we had the story of Teach on drum & a mysterious man who turned up later.
Then we got to arabasta and found that Ace was chasing him. This plot thread that oda came back to every now and then was the cause of the marineford battle, and I doubt oda didn't know where he was going when he introduced them at the same time.
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Those are some big words, Practicly tho your saying that if somone has a favorite OP character they are stupid for it and how did Oda plan to kill Ace from the start…?
You were and are blinded by your obsession with the character and have never obviously stopped and thought about what purpose he played in life and death in the series. You're just whining about him being dead because he wuz so kool.
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@xX:
and how did Oda plan to kill Ace from the start…?
To add from Darkstorm answer. Oda just admitted doing so in the SBS for volume 61.
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@JERK:
You're just whining about him being dead because he wuz so kool.
And that is bad why?
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I was disappointed that Ace and Luffy didn't get any real panel time together until he died. I remember the anime added a scene in Alabasta when they are talking in the backstreets and arm wrestle. To me, it really added a layer to their brotherhood that the manga didn't really do.
One of the few things the anime has beaten the manga at. In my opinion.
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The most disapointing to me is when the only female Shichibukai is revealed to be horny for Luffy's cock. Other than that, One Piece rarely disapoints for me, though I feel disapointed by the ending of the War arc aswell I mean sure the World Goverment couldn't handle shit from another Yonkou but goddamn it.
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Not sure what the big deal about Ace is. So many people have gotten more on panel time than him.
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Honestly I don't get this criticisim, I mean from the time he first showed upon he was pretty much a walking plot-device. I mean he was Poochie for god sakes….I love what Oda did with Ace and I love that he always had in mind to kill him off, it just shows how good he is with planning things. Like Darkstorm said he was introduced the same arc Blackbeard is mentioned, the same arc the Gold Roger's real name Gol. D Roger was revealed; the same arc introducing the 'Will of D' into the story. In Arabasta, Ace gave Luffy that paper(that measures one Life-force) Blackbeard and Ace also appeared in the Jaya arc that fully opened up Oda's great world, showing the inbalances of govermental forces and introducing Whitebeard and other top tiers Shichibukai's: Kuma, and Donfalimingo and reapearing ones Mihawk. Making their first appearnces of Sengoku and several others. Shank's sending his crewmember to give Whitebeard that letter (which was advising him to call off Ace's hunt fo BB) with Whitebeard rejecting it and demanding Shanks to meet in person.
I think Ace's role in the manga was great because of this attracted all this chao's that lead to One Piece world changing dramatically.
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And that is bad why?
What the hell kind of person quotes "you were whining about him being dead because he wuz so kool" and says this.
Answer: A shitposter.
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I honestly think if Ace had lived it would have tremendous affects on the storyline, and would be awkward and bizzare. Now I doubt Oda would have caught 'Glossy Black' syndrome(Like Kishimoto did) but Ace's continiuing role after the war would have felt….not right.
Though Ace is not an awful character I just didn't see him holding enough strength to be a character with relavance after the war arc was finished.Oda did the right thing killing him off.
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Somethings wrong with empty headed idolization of characters to the point of ignoring the plot?
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I honestly think if Ace had lived it would have tremendous affects on the storyline, and would be awkward and bizzare. Now I doubt Oda would have caught 'Glossy Black' syndrome(Like Kishimoto did) but Ace's continiuing role after the war would have felt….not right.
Though Ace is not an awful character I just didn't see him holding enough strength to be a character with relavance after the war arc was finished.Oda did the right thing killing him off.
I think Ace was one of Oda's best characters (due to his very human, very believable flaws) and could easily have developed in a variety of interesting ways had Oda not killed him off. For a start, Ace never really resolved his issues with his father or the self-hatred that resulted from that. When he died, he did so while thanking people for loving him despite the 'fact' he was 'good for nothing' and had the blood of a demon. I would have enjoyed seeing him find something that made him happy rather than living for others (Sabo, Luffy, Whitebeard, sometimes to 'prove them wrong'. Adult Ace rarely considers what'd make him happy long-term.
On the other hand, the fact he had unresolved issues and that he died as a result of a character flaw he never overcame (too hot-tempered) makes his death that much better. Most 'good-guy' anime deaths happen as a result of a noble sacrifice (i.e. Bellamere, Saul etc.) or as a grand last stand (i.e. Roger, Whitebeard) and so the impact of the actual death is offset by the fact that this is how they wanted/deserved to go out. The death itself is just the swansong and not the main event. With Ace, death meant something - not least of which was that Luffy had failed in a way he could not reverse. It advanced the story, characters and was emotionally powerful.
As for those who doubt that Ace was going to die the moment he was created, there's too much symbolism for that not to be true (the tragedy/comedy masks, being named after the death card etc.) and the way Blackbeard was introduced and built up would have been wasted if Ace had lived, since prior to Ace's death he was way more Ace's enemy than Luffy's.
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I have a hard time imagining what Blackbeard is doing right now….. I persoanlly have the premonition that he might end up killing Shanks near the end of One Piecel; which would make things much more personal and sample what he said to Shanks after he appeared before him: It's not time for our fight yet." This is the guy that even before he got the Devil-fruit he was strong enough to give Shanks that mark on his face.....
He is Luffy's archemeny at this point but hotdamn its going to be one hell of moment when Luffy faces him off and defeats him(barely).
But I wonder if Blackbeard does encounter Luffy again how will Luffy react? Would it trigger in him homicidal thoughts? Of course I'm not pretentiously setting up a dark, gritty One Piece but I'm really curious about what Luffy will want to do to Blackbeard at this point. -
By now you should be able to tell that Ace was planned to be killed the whole time, for the sole fact that he had a Sabo tatoo on his arm. He obviously planned ahead at what to do with the two brothers.
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I have a hard time imagining what Blackbeard is doing right now….. I persoanlly have the premonition that he might end up killing Shanks near the end of One Piecel; which would make things much more personal and sample what he said to Shanks after he appeared before him: It's not time for our fight yet." This is the guy that even before he got the Devil-fruit he was strong enough to give Shanks that mark on his face.....
He is Luffy's archemeny at this point but hotdamn its going to be one hell of moment when Luffy faces him off and defeats him(barely).
But I wonder if Blackbeard does encounter Luffy again how will Luffy react? Would it trigger in him homicidal thoughts? Of course I'm not pretentiously setting up a dark, gritty One Piece but I'm really curious about what Luffy will want to do to Blackbeard at this point.I think at some point in the series, (given it's growing demographic of mature readers and as time goes on the themes will need to be more heavy and mature as well) Luffy will have a first and truly intentional "kill". Whether it's for the good of the world or some sort of hell bent revenge at the loss of a crewmate, I speculate we may see Luffy truly kill someone. Blackbeard, in all his danger potential, would be a guess for me.
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I want to see Luffy kill some poor sap by accident because he got between him and his food.
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The fact that Mihawk didn't put down his sword and beat the shit out of Buggy.
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Well Oda made Ace/Whitebeard so that they could get killed in the war and planned ahead with that however he could have done this with one of the Vice admirals or a named marine character and had them die in the war as well and just made them for that reason to give us a marine death.
Just like how Whitebeard died and gave us a yonkou death.
how Ace died and killed someone close to Luffy.
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Well Oda made Ace/Whitebeard so that they could get killed in the war and planned ahead with that however he could have done this with one of the Vice admirals or a named marine character and had them die in the war as well and just made them for that reason to give us a marine death.
Just like how Whitebeard died and gave us a yonkou death.
how Ace died and killed someone close to Luffy.
A marine that Oda could have made that no one liked and killed it in the war would have been nice.What the hell are you talking about?
Are you saying it would have been preferrable for Oda to kill off some a-hole marine rather than Whitebeard and Ace?
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Well Oda made Ace/Whitebeard so that they could get killed in the war and planned ahead with that however he could have done this with one of the Vice admirals or a named marine character and had them die in the war as well and just made them for that reason to give us a marine death.
Just like how Whitebeard died and gave us a yonkou death.
how Ace died and killed someone close to Luffy.
A marine that Oda could have made that no one liked and killed it in the war would have been nice.What the hell does this even mean.
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A marine that Oda could have made that no one liked and killed it in the war would have been nice.
….That would be.. pointless tho? o3o;
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He did and his name was Ronse.
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Ronse wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed. But he was special. I mean, he was a giant and still managed to sneak up onto WB.
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I can't tell if you're complimenting his ability or denouncing it. I guess he wasn't very smart, thinking that he could sneak up on Whitebeard and land a hit. He must have been pretty strong though since he was a Vice Admiral, and clashed with Vista's group and came out unscathed.
Btw, that picture of Onigumo in your sig is so awesome. You also suspect that he may be one of the VAs that'll be more important to the story?
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nobody wants to have a tournament arc
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I can't tell if you're complimenting his ability or denouncing it. I guess he wasn't very smart, thinking that he could sneak up on Whitebeard and land a hit. He must have been pretty strong though since he was a Vice Admiral, and clashed with Vista's group and came out unscathed.
Btw, that picture of Onigumo in your sig is so awesome. You also suspect that he may be one of the VAs that'll be more important to the story?
Well, he's pretty awesome because he was capable of that (sneaking) but he was also pretty dumb because in the last second he shouted like an idiot. But still, he has some serious skills… but he's dumb a little.
Yeah, I know. The anime can make wonders (rarely).
If Akainu became the Fleet Admiral (I think he did) then he may be the new Admiral. And after Momonga (and maybe Doberman) he got the most panel time.
