Ugh… should've known, too many Ace fans.... Darn.
I bet they love him even more because he's EMO now..... Urg...[][/quote]
I am in no way, shape or form an Ace fanboy. I will readily criticize him just like the next non-fan. However, I would like to know more about your previous statement regarding this:Originally Posted by srazysnake
For them, we didn't know how they would've ended up in the end.
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Ugh… should've known, too many Ace fans.... Darn.
I bet they love him even more because he's EMO now..... Urg...[][/QUOTE]
Seriously? Just hide your tail and run with one comment?
Luffy's flashback… hmmmm.... nothing about Ace. Its just show how important his brother was and how they became brother. It has nothing to do with Ace. The story didn't side track about Ace at all. Luffy has a mental breakdown and having flashback of his childhood.
Doesn't matter how well a writer write his story. Some smartass alway think they can comment about it. Might as well make your own manga. He doesn't make the story revolve around you. Make you the reader revolve around the story. If you hate it, get off the bandwagon or skip the chapter. Complaining or negative doesn't do jack.
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I am in no way, shape or form an Ace fanboy. I will readily criticize him just like the next non-fan. However, I would like to know more about your previous statement regarding this:
Originally Posted by srazysnake http://apforums.net/images/styles/hallo/buttons/viewpost.gif
For them, we didn't know how they would've ended up in the end.Freedom, now that you control the powers that be of this forum, maybe you could change his name to srazytroll.
He's either that or quite daft, really. As you said we've had flashbacks about people who we knew were already dead. The only difference with Ace was that none of those people were alive in the current storyline and then died. More amazing though is the fact that this flashback isn't even about Ace.
So yeah, he either misremembers the manga drastically, is an idiot, or a troll. I am feeding the troll right now, but I had to.
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i hope luffy gets more of a captains perspective of responsablility for his crew from this (not that he didnt already) but i hope he decideds that he needs to get alot stronger like he did from the akoji thing and if i dont see zoro cut something sanji kick something or franky yell SUPA within the next 4 chapters im gunna go ape shit
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i hope luffy gets more of a captains perspective of responsablility for his crew from this (not that he didnt already) but i hope he decideds that he needs to get alot stronger like he did from the akoji thing and if i dont see zoro cut something sanji kick something or franky yell SUPA within the next 4 chapters im gunna go ape shit
Lol, I think it's going to take more than 4 chapters to find the rest of the crew, even one member will be pushing it.
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Its kinda weird but this is the first time in One Piece that I dont have a clue whats gonna happen next..
Usually Im either on the right track or completley wrong with my guesses were the story will go but I can honestly say Im lost… How is Oda going to reunite the crew..
Either one at a time they find Luffy or they all meet at Shabondy but both seem..I dont know..kinda dumb. When we didnt get new SH cover stories after the war I was officially lost on whats gonna happen
Were is your mind at Oda???
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Well, it's been at least three weeks since the crew was separated.
And it'll take Luffy at least one more week to get from AL back to SA.
Four weeks seems like an ample amount of time for all the crew members to be back at SA following their vivrecards to Rayleigh.@UsoppSpell - no worries, that kind is normally on thin ice lol
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Seriously? Just hide your tail and run with one comment?
Luffy's flashback… hmmmm.... nothing about Ace. Its just show how important his brother was and how they became brother. It has nothing to do with Ace. The story didn't side track about Ace at all. Luffy has a mental breakdown and having flashback of his childhood.
Doesn't matter how well a writer write his story. Some smartass alway think they can comment about it. Might as well make your own manga. He doesn't make the story revolve around you. Make you the reader revolve around the story. If you hate it, get off the bandwagon or skip the chapter. Complaining or negative doesn't do jack.
funny thing is that probably after this small ark ends, all them hater will say: wow awesome ark
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Well, it's been at least three weeks since the crew was separated.
And it'll take Luffy at least one more week to get from AL back to SA.
Four weeks seems like an ample amount of time for all the crew members to be back at SA following their vivrecards to Rayleigh.You think so?
At least half of them might be in places without an immediate means back, such as Zoro, Usopp, and Chopper.
Robin's involved in some sort of insurrection.
Nami is clearly not coming back immediatly or she would have by now.
Sanji is going to need to regain his sanity.And none of them would have changed enough to overcome the problem that scattered them in the first place. That they simply weren't ready for that level of the GL yet.
Timeskip motheruckers.
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You think so?
At least half of them might be in places without an immediate means back, such as Zoro, Usopp, and Chopper.
Robin's involved in some sort of insurrection.(dragon connection, easy route back to son…)
Nami is clearly not coming back immediatly or she would have by now. (most free form of transportation...)
Sanji is going to need to regain his sanity.And none of them would have changed enough to overcome the problem that scattered them in the first place. That they simply weren't ready for that level of the GL yet.
Timeskip motheruckers.
I understand what you are getting at, but the emboldened lines can easily be explained for those on the other side of the fence. Not really even trying to play devils advocate here.
Let the beat build bitch
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I understand what you are getting at, but the emboldened lines can easily be explained for those on the other side of the fence. Not really even trying to play devils advocate here.
And none of that shit matters if they don't address my bottom point.
And in fact you highlighted exactly my point with Nami, she has that ease of transportation yet is still with the Wizard dude.
Bottom line is people aren't addressing the REASON for all of this. Why did Kuma do it? Why did Oda do it? If he just wanted to save them from Kizaru why scatter them?
What would have been the point to any of this if they just goofed around in these places for a few weeks then came back none the different?I want the anti-timeskip people to tell me with a straight face that with a few weeks they would be able to survive the same scenario as with Kizaru and company.
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And none of that shit matters if they don't address my bottom point.
And in fact you highlighted exactly my point with Nami, she has that ease of transportation yet is still with the Wizard dude.
Bottom line is people aren't addressing the REASON for all of this. Why did Kuma do it? Why did Oda do it? If he just wanted to save them from Kizaru why scatter them?
What would have been the point to any of this if they just goofed around in these places for a few weeks then came back none the different?I want the anti-timeskip people to tell me with a straight face that with a few weeks they would be able to survive the same scenario as with Kizaru and company.
Totally agreed. People want all the crews to get a huge powerup, and they also want everyone to come back together next chapter. Those two things just can't go together. If the crews leave their places to return to SA immediately, what's the point of sending them there in the first place?
And Luffy sailing back to SA, then simply finds everyone sitting around waiting for him there?? That would be quite a lame and boring reunion. Oda would have made the reunion happen in a far more dramatic and emotional situation, which I can't see happening until (at least) 10 -20 chapters later.
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Well i'd like to see luffy connecting his loss of ace to the others (bellmere, tom, olivia etc) and learns that his crew is able to handle it so he has to aswell. And also i believe that sabos death?! will influence him or at least aces reaction
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Totally agreed. People want all the crews to get a huge powerup, and they also want everyone to come back together next chapter. Those two things just can't go together. If the crews leave their places to return to SA immediately, what's the point of sending them there in the first place?
And Luffy sailing back to SA, then simply finds everyone sitting around waiting for him there?? That would be quite a lame and boring reunion. Oda would have made the reunion happen in a far more dramatic and emotional situation, which I can't see happening until (at least) 10 -20 chapters later.
It wouldn't be lame if they all got powered up before they meet in SA, and afterwards when they're in the middle of a battle or something like it, Oda shows us through flashbacks what happened to them and how they got stronger…
I think that full script not confirmed of next chapter would be good as a spoiler now... Ohana is cautious this week, she said almost nothing even about Naruto, and if she didn't post anything about OP till now, I doubt she will...
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Got stronger in 3 weeks (to a level that can be ready for NW) would be lame. A lot of manga are lame like that.
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Excuse me, but i don't know what means "SA"…
I hope this flashback will be short and we will know new thing about strawhat crew member in two or three weeks.
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Excuse me, but i don't know what means "SA"…
I hope this flashback will be short and we will know new thing about strawhat crew member in two or three weeks.
SA means Shabondy Archipelago.
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Got stronger in 3 weeks (to a level that can be ready for NW) would be lame. A lot of manga are lame like that.
Yeah, that's some Naruto shit.
SA = South Africa
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Excuse me, but i don't know what means "SA"…
I hope this flashback will be short and we will know new thing about strawhat crew member in two or three weeks.
SA = Sabondy Archipelago
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@JERK:
You think so?
At least half of them might be in places without an immediate means back, such as Zoro, Usopp, and Chopper.
Robin's involved in some sort of insurrection.
Nami is clearly not coming back immediatly or she would have by now.
Sanji is going to need to regain his sanity.And none of them would have changed enough to overcome the problem that scattered them in the first place. That they simply weren't ready for that level of the GL yet.
Timeskip motheruckers.
I was mostly playing devil's advocate. I'm actually all in favor of a timeskip if and only if Oda uses it to make the crew members stronger. Otherwise, it's just a waste. However, years seems a bit too much, maybe six months or so should be sufficient time. The problem is Luffy is impatient, so I'm curious to see how Oda will create a situation to keep Luffy from continuing his adventure for the next <x>months. Depression from Ace's death would be kind of gay if you ask me, but perhaps it could be something like that. Even training is an option, but I'd still expect him to do that with the crew and not post-pone further adventure.</x>
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Waiting for his crew?
Why would he bail out on them.
Touche! though I've always expected Luffy to be the last one to return…
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SA = South Africa
Aight, I have to admit this was kind of funny
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That wouldn't be surprising.
But he knows they all have the vivrecard. Even if they didn't, I'd think he'd either wait in saobondy until he died or would have gone out and searched for them.
I definitely agree for that scenario. I pot-committed myself to Luffy showing up last without even realizing it
Considering it's been 70 chapters already without the SHs together, I can't imagine Oda dragging out the reunion, but maybe he'd do just that to tease us just that extra smidgen.
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I really, really don't want a time-skip. I'll accept it if it comes to that and Oda will make it awesome but still eww. One of the things I love about this series is there are no shortcuts with the crew's development. Yes a couple of weeks are skipped here and there but on the whole, we've been with them on their development both physically and mentally every step of the way. A timeskip would just make the whole thing seem disconnected. I especially don't like the idea that the crew takes a year or something to meet the curve.They manged to reach mid-tier status by the first half of the grand-line surviving confrontations with the very top while doing so. A sudden time-skip to power them up some more instead of watching them gradually develop along the way just makes their entire journey before seem cheap.
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I really, really don't want a time-skip. I'll accept it if it comes to that and Oda will make it awesome but still eww. One of the things I love about this series is there are no shortcuts with the crew's development. Yes a couple of weeks are skipped here and there but on the whole, we've been with them on their development both physically and mentally every step of the way. A timeskip would just make the whole thing seem disconnected. I especially don't like the idea that the crew takes a year or something to meet the curve.They manged to reach mid-tier status by the first half of the grand-line surviving confrontations with the very top while doing so. A sudden time-skip to power them up some more instead of watching them gradually develop along the way just makes their entire journey before seem cheap.
Yeah, it would be much cooler if these people who just started out were able to beat the higher tiers within the month of departure or so. That would in no way be cheap.
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Yeah, it would be much cooler if these people who just started out were able to beat the higher tiers within the month of departure or so. That would in no way be cheap.
Haven't they already been beating the higher tiers? Albeit through sheer luck and huge amounts of will power, they managed just fine in the first half.
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Haven't they already been beating the higher tiers? Albeit through sheer luck and huge amounts of will power, they managed just fine in the first half.
They beat two Shichuibukai's, one after two near fatal failures, and the other with significant help from insurgents on his island.
And let me get this straight. You want to avoid cheapness, and are up for having sheer luck and willpower play a role in Luffy taking down Admirals and Yonkous? You'd actually be fucking satisfied with that? lol
So basically what I'm getting here is you have no actual consistent reason, and just have some weird hang up about timeskips for no reason.
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They beat two Shichuibukai's, one after two near fatal failures, and the other with significant help from insurgents on his island.
And let me get this straight. You want to avoid cheapness, and are up for having sheer luck and willpower play a role in Luffy taking down Admirals and Yonkous? You'd actually be fucking satisfied with that? lol
So basically what I'm getting here is you have no actual consistent reason, and just have some weird hang up about timeskips for no reason.
Quit misquoting me. All the luck and will power in the world is meaningless if they didn't have the strength to back it up. Strength they acquired over time because they were lucky they didn't face these top-tier guys right off the bat or that these guys didn't want to kill them. I want them to slowly build up their strength to the level that they can beat the Yonkou and Admirals when the time is right probably near the end of the series. There are tons of pirates in between the Yonkou and the Admirals and the crew that can provide the battle experience. The war showed as much. This is a tested formula that has been in action since the crew entered the grandline. Just having them power up off-screen to meet a curve is a cheap cop-out that doesn't let us see any of that gradual development.
Oh and lol if you think luck and will power won't be involved in their battles. You don't actually think Luffy and the gang is gonna beat the top guys in the world with sheer skill and power alone do you? All fights have a degree of luck anyway and Luffy's strongest trait particularly his will power which lets him beat guys stronger than him.
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Quit misquoting me.
Phenom??
All the luck and will power in the world is meaningless if they didn't have the strength to back it up.
And they sure as shit don't have that in regards to the likes of the Admirals or even Kuma. It took the entire crew to take down one Pacifista (a gimped Kuma) and they were absolutely exhausted afterwards.
Strength they acquired over time because they were lucky they didn't face these top-tier guys right off the bat or that these guys didn't want to kill them.
Well guess what the symbolic point of Shabondy was?
Welcome to the wall. You must be this tall to enter.I want them to slowly build up their strength to the level that they can beat the Yonkou and Admirals when the time is right probably near the end of the series.
They're going to need a tremendous jump more then just casually going from island to island.
And again, I stress that you don't even need to bring those guys up. One Pacifista, they are roughly equal to. As a whole.There are tons of pirates in between the Yonkou and the Admirals and the crew that can provide the battle experience. The war showed as much.
It would be cheap as hell if all it took was luck in running into A and B.
No seriously. I posed the question earlier.
What do you think the point of the scattering was?
What do you think the point of the defeat at Shabondy was?This is a tested formula that has been in action since the crew entered the grandline.
And it was absolutely thrown to shit on Shabondy.
Just having them power up off-screen to meet a curve is a cheap cop-out that doesn't let us see any of that gradual development.
Bullshit. A significant powerup would put them in the field, and from a higher place they would still have to develop in order to reach the higher tiers such as Admirals and Yonkous.
That is infinitely more sensible then what you're suggesting. And it features the same attributes within it.Oh and lol if you think luck and will power won't be involved in their battles. You don't actually think Luffy and the gang is gonna beat the top guys in the world with sheer skill and power alone do you?
You don't seriously think Luffy is going to become Pirate King without being in the playing field of powerhouses like Shanks?
All fights have a degree of luck anyway and Luffy's strongest trait particularly his will power which lets him beat guys stronger than him.
And those are fine and dandy against minor key villains like Ener and Moria. They will be retarded if they are all that stands between Luffy and victory over Sengoku in a 1 on 1.
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Luffy becomes stronger with each fight. We may not notice this yet but it's implicitly there :)
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Luffy becomes stronger with each fight. We may not notice this yet but it's implicitly there :)
I mean "basically". Natural power up isn't enough.
Not to mention he got poisons and hormones that reduce his life span as well as harm his health.
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Luffy becomes stronger with each fight. We may not notice this yet but it's implicitly there :)
Yeah! They might not need the entire crew to take down a Pacifista now! Probably only two thirds!
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Luffy becomes stronger with each fight. We may not notice this yet but it's implicitly there :)
Nice DBZ reference :silly:
If Oda doesn't have major upgrades planned for the crew, then what's the whole point of SA and the war proving to Luffy that he really was an ant in a huge storm.
Right now, Luffy should (and probably will) be feeling inadequate and incompetent. This should lead to him either going into depression (which I doubt) or like with Aokiji, it should lead to Luffy wanting to become even stronger than he is now.
Time skip, Training, Magic or whatever. The story is ready for a change in the SH crews' abilities, and it's a welcome change IMO. We can't have Luffy be exhausted after every fight for the rest of the series, it'll get like HnI.
Either way, I'm personally hoping for some development on the 'haki' scene with Luffy. I'll let Oda surprise me with the other crewmembers.disclaimer for those who read too much into things
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I'm not asking for Luffy to become God-Mode. Just that he can handle himself around even vice-admirals initially and not have to struggle through every fight and rely on luck in some of his fights.Exactly, that's what I'm sayin' too.
This isn't about getting Luffy to the top of the mountain, it's about getting him to the next plateau. The summit is much farther away then some of you seem to think, which I find distrubing given how clearly Oda has emphasized this fact from Shabondy through Marineford.
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Yeah, it would be much cooler if these people who just started out were able to beat the higher tiers within the month of departure or so. That would in no way be cheap.
I'd facepalm harder than "Hancock loving Luffy" if that happened.
