The Hiatus Miura takes along with the general snailpace of releases highlights just how dedicated his fanbase are to his work. I can't think of any other manga I would continue reading with a release date like this. I'll probably die before Berserk finishes, but at the very least I get to read like 19 pages of really wellmade drawings every 4-5 months. Yay.
Berserk
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It should also be noted that the Dreamcast game came out before Casca started hating Guts.
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Holly molly, that wall of text. :D
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Wow, that was… some text XD
About Casca i wanted to pointed out that there's a difference between holding someone responsible and wanting to pursue revenge. There's the possibility that Casca will renounce to pursue revenge for reasons like the peril of opposing the God Hand for both their companions and their son, but i'm sure she'll never doubt even the slightest bit that Griffith is indeed responsible, remember her last thoughts at the eclipse when she's escaping with Judeau, "Is this really the nightmare you wanted? Answer me, answer me Griffith!"
The reference to Guts past story was supposed to parallel Guts period after he leaves Gambino's mercenaries with Casca's condition after the eclipse. Guts couldn't hate Gambino though he was a worthless piece of shit, he even felt guilty for killing him, Casca now has regressed probably for the same reason, she still can't accept both what happened to her companions and the fact it was Griffith who did it, but the very fact that she mentally regressed prove that she indeed rationally hold Griffith fully responsible, though her feelings can't accept it. After Guts confessed everything to Casca, he seems to have moved past it, he never thinked about it anymore and i'm sure he, now, fully understand with rationality that Gambino was a worthless shit. This is probably the same thing will happen to Casca right now after she'll be sane.About Rickert, he was tempted to stay in Falconia because it was a paradise both for him and for Erica, and also after Locus showed him the apostles as a warning to not do anything rash, and the thought that he couldn't hate Griffith popped out only when Locus noticed there was no hate in his eyes, since he didn't witnessed the eclipse, and made him realize why he still have doubt about what to do with Griffith, but i just don't see any reason why Rickert should not have holded Griffith accountable since when Guts told him everything, Rickert even asked him to go with him and pursue revenge, only for Guts to refuse since "he never couldn't really hate Griffith". His internal struggle was between making things right for his dead companions and doing something he really didn't want to do, like abandoning his safe position at Falconia and opposing Griffith, whom, he can't really feel hate. Between rationality and feelings
Feelings and rationality are two different things. Though Rickert can't bring himself to hate Griffith, there's no doubt he rationally hold him accountable, otherwise he would not have even been tempted to slap him.I agree though that Miura tries often to make things ambiguos, especially for Griffith's actions after the eclipse, many readers say things like "But Griffith now has created a safe place for humanity, he's doing good" without getting the point that it was him and the God Hand to plan everything, including Ganishka actions and choices.
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@Dr.:
Wow, that was… some text XD
Aaaaahhhh, I didn't realize the horrors I was contributing to with my wall-of-text replies. I apologize lol.
I'm getting a pretty clear idea that my usage of the word "accountability" was a mistake to use. I was mainly talking about "wanting to pursue revenge" for both Casca and Rickert (although for Rickert, it's more of a refusal and having the ability to still gang onto his feelings of obligation towards the original Band of the Hawk). Of course they know Griffith is responsible for what happened. I apologize for the misconception.
Everything you say about Casca makes sense. I just don't think everything's going to progress smoothly once she gets her memories back. It's just too easy after how frequently Guts and Casca divide at some sort of crossroads and Casca tending to have some sort of phobia towards Guts, and while her amnesia is definitely a regression made from not being able to embrace the reality that Griffith committed his actions during the eclipse, there isn't a complete guarantee her memories coming back can still fully make her come to terms with how to view Griffith and what type of actions to take in the here and now.
But… That's just me spitballing on a gut feeling. Your analogy still holds up more consistently, so I can concede to the notion that Casca and Guts' relationship will be mostly mended after regaining her memories. I'm still wondering how the rest of the party is going to take the news though lol. Regardless of what happens, the major divide will be found when Falconia becomes more central to the plot as well as the kid coming into the picture if he indeed isn't an avatar of the Elf King. I was just trying to say that I don't feel like it's going to just be a split made by wanting to somehow "save" the child. It may be the main reason at hand, but I feel like there will also be some other controversial feelings between Guts and Casca as to if revenge should be fulfilled to bring down a utopia like Falconia. The child might just be the final straw that causes Casca to even go as far as leaving the party or something, but there should be more build-up there then the couple getting along perfectly until then when it comes to how they view Griffith and what he deserves for his actions after everything he's done.
Can't really add on to what's already been said about Rickert. It's pretty accurate. I would also add that there may have been ambiguous theming as to if Griffith forming Falconia means that he can be "forgiven" for sacrificing the Band of the Hawk. He of course shouldn't, and Rickert didn't definitively seem to waver in that front. But I would definitely argue that Miura was trying to juggle the reader's feelings themselves on how to Griffith and still want his head on a pike after finally gaining his kingdom, which turned out to be a utopian society that shields humans from the dangers of the outside. Rickert's response and later elaboration of the monsters being about actually being Griffith's own fault, as well as the obvious lack of stability in the Apostles keeping calm, obviously indicates his kingdom built upon mountains of corpses is not and should not last.
So in other words, the mini-arc was more of a question of if both Rickert and the readers can and should be able to still despise Griffith. Rationally blaming him for the Band of the Hawk's sacrifice is obvious. But the fact that Miura went as far as making Griffith's life a living hell in torture an shaving a broken body can definitely tamper with one's feelings on if they can truly blame Griffith for his choice during the eclipse. It's like you said though, it all comes down to feelings versus rationality.
But yes, I can definitely agree that there may be a parallel between the readers who forgive Griffith and the Falconians living in ignorant bliss of both his past actions and the kingdom's future stability.
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The Hiatus Miura takes along with the general snailpace of releases highlights just how dedicated his fanbase are to his work. I can't think of any other manga I would continue reading with a release date like this. I'll probably die before Berserk finishes, but at the very least I get to read like 19 pages of really wellmade drawings every 4-5 months. Yay.
More like 80 pages every couple months. Chapters usually release in chunks of 3-5, and there's generally a couple releases in a year. Roughly a volume's worth a year.
He's slow but he's not *that slow. He's just a wee bit slower than even a monthly pace allows, apparently. Five week schedule maybe? I bet he could manage monthly if he trimmed a page or two
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Berserk's publication goes on break, Miura doesn't. I don't think the art is why he's slow, yeah it's detailed but from volume 1 to around volume 31 the series was on a bi-weekly schedule and those volumes had very high quality artwork. We know from an old interview that his works around 15 hours a day with no holidays, but that was a very long time ago, there are plenty of untranslated interviews and a new one that recently came out that might shed some light on his current workflow, still untranslated. We also know that he draws 1 page per day and nowadays he's doing ~20-23 pages per issue so in that regard that isn't what's slowing him down. Pretty sure art isn't the reason for the breaks, it's for higher level things like Plot advancement researching folklore, character designs for future characters, Tying various plot threads and planning where each character's plot is going etc…When Casca is healed, how will she be like, as a women, as a warrior, as a member of the group, what kind of relationship will she have with other members and how will they interact with her etc.. There is also rickert and his plot.
We know that Miura does a lot of research, it was even emphasized not too long ago in an interview with the president of Hakusensha. one time he took a publication break just to go to a harbor and study about ships so he could implement them into his story. you could argue that there are plenty of mangaka out there with stories just as big and dense but they can do it on a much tighter schedule but not every other works at the same pace, it's that simple. Miura doesn't really have any deadlines and he's working at a pace comfortable for him, and that's fine by me, i'd rather him do that than overwork himself. And again, when Berserk publication goes on break, Miura doesn't, he's always working on the series.
Volume 39 confirmed to come out in 2017 so when he returns he should have enough episodes to compile the rest of the volume, and hopefully they confirm volume 40 for 2018. v38 come out in 2016, v39 in 2017 etc.. as long as he puts out 1 volume per year, he's on the right track. the gap between volume 37 and volume 38 was big because he took a long break so he can work on a mini series, planning that series out and drawing it takes time.
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Hey, at least Berserk will finish before Bastard. :ninja::sad:
Oh and obviously before HxH of course.
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yeah berserk finishing was never a worry to me and should never be a worry to anyone else, bastard!! and Hunter x Hunter are worrying but I'm optimistic even for those series. Hagiwara said in 2 interviews in December 2015 that he will bring back bastard in 2 years, so late 2017 or sometime 2018 (hopefully). he's been working on illustrations for various video games and card games, working on a novel and some doujins, as well as working on the bastard!! kanzenbans. he's the king of hiatuses for sure though. his series started a year after jojo and today jojo has 80+ more volumes :(
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The weirdest thing to me with HxH was introducing a whole new world and plot threads on Togashi's schedule for the manga instead of working on the existing ones more. At least Berserk feels like it's working on its existing plots.
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A gif comparison from the bluray vs tv version of the anime.
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Not too surprising. They already had realized by a few episodes in that using the CG for face closeups didn't work and tried to avoid that. Good to see the permanent edition will look a bit better overall.
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Not too surprising. They already had realized by a few episodes in that using the CG for face closeups didn't work.
I'll say, what's up with that girl's face?
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An excerpt from this artricle: [http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/10/15/kazuhiko-torishima-on-shaping-the-success-of-dragon-ball-and-the-origins-of-dragon-quest/#2c2635ecd9ab
I](http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2016/10/15/kazuhiko-torishima-on-shaping-the-success-of-dragon-ball-and-the-origins-of-dragon-quest/#2c2635ecd9ab) just thought it was hilarious.
“Recently, Kentaro Miura got in contact with me on doing an interview about Berserk. So I sat down and read the whole series to prepare for that. What I told him in that interview is that if he had met me much earlier, Berserk could have been much better and probably finished by now, with you working on something new instead.
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After reading those interviews,i think it was a good thing that Miura never made it in Jump.Or we would have gotten a mellowed down Berserk,where survival of every character depends on public reception.
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While I'll agree there's bits and pieces where Berserk could be better or faster paced… Golden Age is still one of THE strongest stories I've seen... and beyond that the issue of the pacing is more about Muira's release schedule rather than the story inherantly running too long.
Yes, if he had 12 assistants and was doing a weekly in regular Jump with a lot more comedy and a lot less art, he could have been on volume 70 and finished long ago... but he's not and he isn't... so it's kind of a dick thing to say thirty years in that "It could be so much better and so much faster!"
The funny part is that modern Berserk actually could run more mainstream, as it hasn't had the horrific horror/violence/rape that it had for the longest time. And yet... without those things, and their potential return, it wouldn't be Berserk.
Now, Bastard!! on the other hand... there's a series in limbo that will never finish.
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Yeah. It seems bad to say 'I could have helped to make it so much better' for one of the manga that's already one of the most praised I see around.
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^ And one of the most complained about.
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^ And one of the most complained about.
The complaints are almost universally about the release schedule, almost never the actual content.
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The complaints are almost universally about the release schedule, almost never the actual content.
That was what I was referring to.
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Just doing the math, say he can do 5 chapters a year, which is being real generous. Do we really think he can finish the series in 150 chapters, which would be another 30 YEARS. Without it feeling rushed, I just don't see it happening unless the next arc or so is the very last one.
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He does about 10 a year most years, a volume a year. They get released in chunks of 3-4 chapters followed by a multi month break.
There was a big break when he stopped and did Gigantomakhia for a year and worked on the movies some.
No, he doesn't do the two volumes a year pace he once managed prior to 2007, but volume 32 came out December 2007 (which is when he slowed to the annual pace) and we're only two chapters short of having enough for volume 39. And volume 38 just came out in June! Add in the other series he did and while it's not quiiite a volume a year due to 32 dropping in December instead of January… but its still basically 8 volumes in 8 years if you're willing to give a 2 week leeway. Assuming he gets the remaining chapters of volume 39 done in the next couple months, but when he finishes doesn't determine when the publisher releases them. Really had hoped switching to monthly instead of bi-weekly would have been enough to get him a regular schedule... but apparently he still takes about 5 weeks per chapter which is about a page a day.
Yes, he should be done in about 10 years, there's really not that much left to do. Caska is about to be healed, Guts already has the armor and weapons that let him hurt the final bosses, Rickerts and the other kids are going to get an aging up timeskip thanks to the outside world moving faster, and Griffith merging the worlds and making a central hub city actually makes things easier.
Sure the super crazy epic in our imaginations doesn't have time to finish, and if you make an itemized list then every last plotthread, getting a nice clean wrap up is impossible but... Guts having his showdown with Griffith and fighting the final darkness big boss are easily doable in a relatively short span. If Muira wanted it to last another 30 years and a dozen plotarcs, he easily could. If he wanted to wrap it sooner though, pretty much all the final pieces are in play now.
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Well,for me it will never be properly completed if we won't get the backstories of other four god-hands.I guess other people have some other points of attention.So yeah,i too think Miura won't manage to draw everything the fans want to see.I just hope he kept the best storyline for the last…. -
Yeah. I'd like it if each Godhand got their own personal arc to be dealt with….but I don't know if that's neccesarily feasible at this point.
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Yeah. It seems bad to say 'I could have helped to make it so much better' for one of the manga that's already one of the most praised I see around.
From his tone,it seems editors are the one who make a manga shine,authors just provide bunch of pages…..:ninja:
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Yeah. I'd like it if each Godhand got their own personal arc to be dealt with….but I don't know if that's neccesarily feasible at this point.
I too doubt that very much.But we will get the story of Skull Knight/Gaeseric and Void for sure….
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Yes, he should be done in about 10 years, there's really not that much left to do. Caska is about to be healed, Guts already has the armor and weapons that let him hurt the final bosses, Rickerts and the other kids are going to get an aging up timeskip thanks to the outside world moving faster, and Griffith merging the worlds and making a central hub city actually makes things easier.
As much as it saddens me, i think 10 years is a bit optimistic. It may not seems much is left, but if you compare it to the current release pace, which i don't think it will improve that much from now on due to Miura's age, it'll still require a great deal of time, i'd say no less that 15 years. And i doubt that Miura will ever come down to rush the plot even the slightest bit to finish it sooner.
Yeah. I'd like it if each Godhand got their own personal arc to be dealt with….but I don't know if that's neccesarily feasible at this point.
There's no way that we won't see their backstory. Miura showed us Ganishka's backstory, in half episode yeah, but still it was showed, so it's a given to show us a flashback for each of the main baddies who were introduced since the beginning. The question is rather how much space Miura will dedicate to that, in my opinion it'll be like 1 episode for each of them, maybe 2-3 for Void and Skull Knight. And very probably we'll see Zodd backstory along with the main apostles.
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Yeah. I'd like it if each Godhand got their own personal arc to be dealt with….but I don't know if that's neccesarily feasible at this point.
Nah, that would be completely superfluous. Once you've shown Guts can kill even one of them, then there's no drama or question left of "can he kill a god? CAN he get his revenge on Griffith?" And at that point, there'd be zero reason for the godhand to not go all in on trying to kill him immediately. Griffith is the only one that actually matters. Guts can get the other four when he goes after the source. Its the same way Luffy isn't going to actually fully beat all four emporers and all 9 warlords and all 5 admiral each in full arcs, that would destroy the pacing of the story and the overall structure of the underdog narrative entirely after a point.
I too doubt that very much.But we will get the story of Skull Knight/Gaeseric and Void for sure….
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There's no way that we won't see their backstory. Miura showed us Ganishka's backstory, in half episode yeah, but still it was showed, so it's a given to show us a flashback for each of the main baddies who were introduced since the beginning. The question is rather how much space Miura will dedicate to that, in my opinion it'll be like 1 episode for each of them, maybe 2-3 for Void and Skull Knight. And very probably we'll see Zodd backstory along with the main apostles.
Backstory would be nice flavor sure, but we've gotten the gist of what it takes to get a behelt transformation at this point, and Griffith clearly showed the scale that is required to become a godhand. We don't need fully in depth repeats of those things at this point in time. A sentence or two saying what they wanted and what they sacrificed for will be enough to fill in the gaps.
Skull Knight and Void is the only one that it seems like we really need fleshed out… maaaybe Zodd... and even those doesn't need to be a 20 chapter epics. It could, honestly, be retold in text in a couple pages. It might not be as satisfying to get an epic bit in "novel" format, but sometimes you have to take the easier path.
And i doubt that Miura will ever come down to rush the plot even the slightest bit to finish it sooner.
There is a difference between "rushing" the plot, and simply not taking too many more excess detours once you're barrelling down the end.
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I for one want the 70 chapter backstory on Conrad.
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Nah, that would be completely superfluous. Once you've shown Guts can kill even one of them, then there's no drama or question left of "can he kill a god? CAN he get his revenge on Griffith?" And at that point, there'd be zero reason for the godhand to not go all in on trying to kill him immediately. Griffith is the only one that actually matters. Guts can get the other four when he goes after the source. Its the same way Luffy isn't going to actually fully beat all four emporers and all 9 warlords and all 5 admiral each in full arcs, that would destroy the pacing of the story and the overall structure of the underdog narrative entirely after a point….
I think there was a way to tell it without blocking the flow of current story-line,like 3 chapters small gaiden we got about young Guts.Same could have been done with other god hands at some chosen points of the story.But it is too late i guess.
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Popular fan theory is that Void was behind the eclipse that destroyed Midland castle along with Gaseric (Skullknight). Supposably like a Guts/Griffith parallel. Where Void sacrificed the people in the castle and Gaseric was the branded one. He escaped the eclipse somehow. Meet Flora along the way. Donned the Berserker armor. Died or came really close to dying with it on and was somehow brought back as the Skullknight we see today with Flora's help. So when we get that full flashback we should get both of their stories at once.
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Backstory would be nice flavor sure, but we've gotten the gist of what it takes to get a behelt transformation at this point, and Griffith clearly showed the scale that is required to become a godhand. We don't need fully in depth repeats of those things at this point in time. A sentence or two saying what they wanted and what they sacrificed for will be enough to fill in the gaps.
Skull Knight and Void is the only one that it seems like we really need fleshed out… maaaybe Zodd... and even those doesn't need to be a 20 chapter epics. It could, honestly, be retold in text in a couple pages. It might not be as satisfying to get an epic bit in "novel" format, but sometimes you have to take the easier path.
I think at end of series, after Berserk lasted decades (more than 30 years) since 1989, if Miura won't show even a bit of backstory of each of the main villains, overhyped as gods since the beginning, that would be tantamount to a slap in the face to all the older fans who followed it since the beginning, or at least that would be my reaction, and i'm following it since 2006. As you said it isn't necessary to make it last 20 episodes, but if he dedicated at least a few pages or a single episode for each of them, at least to show how did they look as humans and their dramatic fate, it wouldn't surely hurt that much the flow and lenght of the story, nor would it feels repetitive if he distantiated enough the episodes between them.
We've seen already enough of behelith sacrifice backstories for apostles, and even for Griffith, but then all the more reason to show also that of their leaders, if Ganishka who was a key character for the Falcon of the millenium empire arc got his own short backstory, it makes no sense to not show even that of the 5 key evil characters of the entire series.
We're definetely getting some insight on Zodd's past too, he's an arch enemy of Guts in battle and also one of the most unique and mysterious apostle, though he has no code of honor unlike Locus, Grunbeld and Irvine, as he doesn't hesitate to killing anyone who stands in his way, he doesn't seem interested in slaughtering and eating random people who don't bother him either, Locus also mentioned his strange beheavior for an apostle in vol 32 defining him "enigmatic man".
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You know, it's not like Conrad, Ubik, and Slan all need separate flashbacks at different instances of the story to showcase their human forms, what they sacrificed, and what drove them to become part of the God Hand. If anything, I think they can all fit into just one flashback. Yes, I know that all of them are most likely from whole different eras and locations. I'm not seriously suggesting they all became part of the God Hand at the same time lol, which would be pretty contrived.
We know that Void and Skull Knight (along with Zodd presumably at some other instance of the story) need to share a flashback dedicated to their past due to how much it's been built up with the whole Gaseric/Wise Man story and Skull Knight's conversations with Flora (as Phoenix Zoan succinctly summed up as a theory earlier). I propose that after this flashback wraps up the climax of Void's ascension to the God Hand (presumably as the very first member due to his highlighted importance and because of standing on the thumb of all fingers).
How about right after that or in another whole flashback that's the length of "The Spring Blossoms of Another Day" (the mini-arc with young Guts and Chitch", we get montage of how Conrad, Ubik, and Slan were recruited to the God Hand. But instead of going through the trouble of repetitively showing EVEN MORE Eclipse summonings like Robby mentioned, we instead witness these events through Void's perspective of being called by the Behelits and offering each of these individuals to join the God Hand by showing and talking briefly about their human lives and sacrifices. That way, we get a unique perspective of the Eclipses to make them stand out by focusing on the perspectives of the God Hand being summoned and keeping flow with how Void is the most important member and chronologically connecting with his flashback. Perhaps along with bits and pieces of how he's influenced the plot without completely spoiling how abstractly complex causality is and how these divine beings operate. They all don't need even a tenth of the length of the Golden Age arc for their backstories, just quick visible summaries of their various Behelit summoning situations.
That's just my perspective though. I agree with Dr. Faust that the rest of the God Hand needs to at least showcase their human forms and and tidbits about their sacrifices and lives if we got flashbacks dedicated to various Apostles and Ganishka, but strongly concur with Robby that we seriously don't have the proper pacing to give every one of the God Hand members fully fleshed out backstories. Ruin's sort of right about how the rest of the God Hand are pretty much just cool designs that are there in the grand scheme of their plot relevance (even though they do fulfill various abstract causality roles like Conrad spreading the pestilence and Slan somehow spurring the heretical cult).
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Well yeah. I'm not saying skip over them entirely or the sake of time… but they really don't need any serious length mega arcs. Nothing that would compromise getting the series done in 100-150 chapters as was first suggested.
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I wonder what Slan looked like as a human.
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Long as Slan and Void get there backstories told that do me nicely.
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As for the godhand members, I do think what I'd mainly like is seeing them encountered more in their elements such as Conrad with pestilence, a bunch of people suffering from disease to use an example.
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So here we are guys, it's 2017! Any news on when chapter 348 will drop??!! The 3 month wait has been agonizing! Especially with Bio-Booster Armor Guyver also on Hiatus for the past 9 months!!
And since xpearse has dropped Terra Formars, i'm left with no manga to read except One Piece and One Punch Man!! :sad:
Having Berserk back in my schedule would be great, so if anyone's heard anything please share!
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Please don't bump the thread asking for news. It'll be updated when we know anything. Its usually 4 or 5 months between drops and then we get several in a row.
And theres about a million other manga and anime out there to fill your time. If Berserk is your thing, might I suggest Nausicaa Valley of the Wind, Vagabond, or Lone Wolf and Cub?
And now, even though I haven't had to recently because I thought everyone knew better, I'm going to lock the thread until we do have news. Just contact me when theres an update and I'll open it back up.
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Opening up because there's apparently news about the second season of the anime.
Given that everyone bitched and moaned and hated the first season despite it being just fine (and then cleaned up massively and redrawn for the blu ray) I'm sure the complaints will continue.
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Time to celebrate with this obligatory post.
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Up to date memes. Quality sound design. Berserk 2016 did nothing wrong.
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Holy crap I knew about the CLANG meme before, but I never thought it would sound THAT bad.
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What did they do to Farnese?
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She's trying to be cool and threatening
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I want to know why Isidro is pulling an Orochimaru impression.
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@Count:
I want to know why Isidro is pulling an Orochimaru impression.
It looked like he was holding a pouch and his mouth.
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Who is that woman above Farnese?
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