Sammsy, Hancock ISN'T going to join because her island is going to be a destination for Hades, and his new hell…
Alright?
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Yes; I also know that Hancock and Jinbei are much more relevant to the plot than Perona has been, and there's no concrete evidence that Perona will become relevant to the plot later.
I agree on accounts of Jinbei since he has an island to come, but Hancock's a sitting duck that is only waiting for some prolonging plot to surface. Perona has more "potential" to offer a stronger plot– and I agree that she's got nothing concrete yet; which is a good thing since neither Robin nor Nami had that shit revealed early on...
Again, you're completely ignoring the fact that a good deal of the crew (if not all of them) appear to have been sent where they were for a reason, and if Kuma had only wanted someone to patch Zoro up and guide him back to Shabondy, he would have chosen a more populated island where they'd be more willing to help, rather than an island where a recent enemy of the crew's was sent to. There has to be an in-character reason as to why Zoro was sent there, and the swordsperson would be the more likely option.
This isn't important. I'm not ignoring it, I'm just discarding a shitty reason since it doesn't explain what Kuma's super brain would have done if Perona killed Zoro.
It doesn't make any sense that Kuma would know something about Perona, and expect her to save Zoro if he was a good guy as you say.
Explain to me why both Zoro and Perona are in the same island, if that swordsperson is there too… We can try and ponder over what conclusions may come from all this, but it's pointless to do so.
And you wouldn't be able to stand the sight of your favourite character in pain, so it's obviously not going to happen.[/sarcasm] Luffy's used Haki before they entered the New World, so your comment is kind of pointless.
Yes, Luffy did… Luffy HASN'T mastered it yet, and you are stating that Zoro will be taught it, which is yet another speculation on how one comes up with Haki skills in the first place. There's a reason why some people don't have it, and why others do... I don't believe you "try" it in that way, it might be different.
So, you are making a pointless assumption here. Continue on, when and only when you have Haki explained.
I'm merely trying to think of reasons as to why Zoro was sent to the island that would make sense; Kuma wouldn't send him there just so he could meet Perona again, when Perona would have no reason to help him, and Kuma seemed to have some kind of reason for the destinations of most of the crew.
I agree with you, it is true that Perona + Zoro = difficult to grasp!! It just doesn't match up and no matter what I try to think over this, the only thing she could be instrumental at is helping him navigate to his island, period. Everything else is pointless to bring up since there's no solid connection at all. She can only help him return to SA, from what I know– if Kuma sent Zoro there and had Perona act as a guide, that's impossible... It had to be a method of delaying or "removing" those characters from the war or something like that. Therefore, Kuma sent the crew to places where they'd be stuck for some time, willingly:
- Nami on a sky island.
- Luffy on the anti-man island.
- Usopp in the middle of nowhere on some shit.
- Chopper in an uncivilized island.
- Brook in a poor nation.
- Franky in a place that may capture his interest, or void of cola [anime].
- Robin in jail.
- Zoro in some random ruin.
- Sanji on QUEER island.
However, Kuma didn't take the crew's specialties into account and gave them a possible way to escape, but he didn't think they'd be able to.
Feel free to think over this, but I believe that Kuma was stalling the crew's journey if at all possible. He probably warned Rayleigh about something that he must plan for, or to warn him to stay out of the WB war and wait for the crew…
And, once again, you're ignoring what's been shown in the series in order to claim that your fantasies are correct.
I am not…
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/05/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/477/06/
Yes, I know what Moria can do– I AM A PERONA FAN THAT READ PRACTICALLY EVERY PANEL IN THAT ARC SEVERAL TIMES...
But, you're ignoring the whole situation-- why would Oda do a cliche escape for Moria at this stage in the first place; he was doomed. Furthermore, you are ignoring those "higher-ups" since when some "higher-up" wants someone dead-- they die.
Moria can teleport to some extent, and once he starts, he can't be stopped. In addition, unlike Ace, Whitebeard, and the flashback deaths, we never saw him being killed, saw the body, or had anyone saying after the fact that he had died.
It is a cliff hanger that paves way for the future– sort of like how practically all of the death scenes, or fight scenes end up doing... This, however, is pretty much in your face: Moria is surrounded and getting his ass whooped by a bunch of guys.
Given how rarely Oda kills characters
Oda kills a lot of people, dude.
, and how little Moria's death at that time would mean in terms of moving the story forward, I doubt that he would be killed off in that manner.
Prove it. You cannot because you just cannot speak for Oda. If Moria's death means something, it'll introduce the next arc and whatever that is is up to the writer. But I will say this that his death will elaborate on how the WG handles the power balance between the Yonkou and how the whole Shichibukai ordeal is structured– it is a VERY important death in the manga.
A link where, as you admitted, had nothing to do with the discussion for at least 3/4 of the content, given that you said the first part was listing facts about Perona (which any site, such as the One Piece Wikia could do), and the first half of the second part was (in your own words) a parody of deluded fans.
Yup.
That's a bit smug and conceited of you, isn't it? Both the theories that I've brought up and the theories that you've brought up are speculation;
You haven't countered mine ever.
many people have countered your theories time and time again, yet whenever they do, you say "NO" and move on, acting like you've somehow won.
No one has countered it… No one has proven that Perona's going to stay on this island... NO ONE.
Ignoring the evidence does not count as winning.
I've never lost to date with that theory.
You can't say your theories have no weakness, particularly when there are many, many weaknesses to be addressed, primarily with the matter of the crew trusting Perona enough to let her sail with them despite the fact that her assistance has been relatively minor.
Your opinion, interpretation and retarded viewpoint. This isn't possible to argue against at this stage, for several reasons: they haven't shown 'anti-trust' at all, we don't know how they feel about Perona, nor do we have any reason to disbelief that her action to help Zoro return won't allow this condition to be met.
Regardless of whatever you try, you lose. Indefinably, you cannot argue that this shit is even accurate. If you think you can, do so… Elaborate how on earth you can somehow rate how the crew will evaluate trust.
I'll be the first to admit that my arguments have some weaknesses, but at least I'm willing to admit to them rather than ignore them completely.
Your arguments aren't any different than all of the Hancock fanbase– they are at a stage where they try to argue against facts.
The arguments for most characters have some kind of weakness (Hancock - has her island to protect, Jinbei - doesn't have much backstory or personality yet,
I agree with Hancock, but your view on Jinbei is bullshit…
Perona - her self-centered personality, the crew not having a reason to accept her, her fighting style being broken and limited with no easily-accessable weakness), and whether the weaknesses to these arguments will be removed or maintained depends entirely on Oda.
Self-centered is what I expect her to be because for fuck's sake, they need a little-sister figure.
Guiding Zoro and saving his life is what you'd call a reason, dumbass.
I can't argue against this without assuming and using "ifs" about this… Regardless, her DF has a method to which she will feel "damage" if her ghosts feel damage. Therefore, it has the same risk as Robin has... Although, less easy to exploit without cheap Haki or something.
They can be, genius... Therefore, with the massive amount of change she already underwent, these are following that series of change.
- Have Perona quit.
- Have Perona put her stuff on the ship.
- Have Perona end up with Zoro and allow herself to return to the main plot and meet the crew.
- Have Perona's original individual face death.
- Have Perona lose everything she had and now follow instinct and whatever awaits her.
If you cannot see, Perona's following whatever route Oda wants her to, she's just being controlled heavily by the author like Robin was.
You cannot change Hancock's situation, unless you do so by force. With Perona, Oda has already done the hard stuff like having her leave her job and having her become isolated– all he needs to do is bring her to the crew and accept an invite.
You're using that quote entirely out of context.
LOL!!
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/523/02/
Nyon believed that going to Marineford would be able to help her get over her crush on Luffy (in other words, her Love Sickness) and keep the island safe at the same time. However, as evidenced later, the first part did not work.
Pardon?
It says, "If you choose to not go, you'll die…If you choose to go to CENTRAL, never beyond it, then you'll save yourself...Plus, you'll save the AL people!"
Where does it state it didn't work, well?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/582/07/
She has been infected by a POWERFUL VIRUS– says she, and this says nothing at all that the previously mentioned cure didn't work.
Are you going to LIE to me about something here?
The Love Sickness still has to be dealt with, and if Luffy left without resolving it, she would die, and Luffy wouldn't want that to happen, seeing as she's his friend.
Once again, there's nothing saying that she's not going to cure according to Nyon's previous explanation of a cure for it… It remains in effect, as a cure.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/582/07/
Boa's crush is strong, relatively speaking when compared to Nyon's own experiences with love. As well, Nyon left the island for an undetermined period of time despite being the empress, which would have helped her get over it.
How the hell can you judge Nyon's own experiences when we don't even have anything to judge it by?
You are a dumbass… The only thing we learn is that she [Hancock] was infected by a stronger version originally– the cure that Nyon prescribed ought to still work, and this wasn't commented on.
Lastly, yeah nice story and nobody cares about how long Nyon went off... Hancock went off for at least a week. Who flipping cares-- she might have even been "two" weeks with her stupid fangirl's affection.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/521/19/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/523/05/
OK…?
Really? Then what other alternatives are there? He wouldn't just sit back and let her die when he can do something about it. He could say something that Hancock misinterprets as a more romantic gesture (as she's done often in the past) and allows her to believe that Luffy will return, but that one might not necessarily stick, and the odds are, he wouldn't be able to return without an Eternal Pose or a way to bypass the Calm Belt, so that wouldn't really provide any closure on the matter. Still, it seems about fifty-fifty between Luffy taking Hancock with him or saying something she misinterprets, which are much better odds than Perona joining the crew when she offers very little in terms of future plot development.
You are wrong; it is 100% that Hancock's sitting her fat ass down on her throne watching stupid shit.
Oda already promised it will be cured, i.e. said individual will be getting over it before we knew it.
Secondly, Luffy doesn't need to care, nor will Hancock die at all– stop being a drama queen when you read this stuff, this isn't complex, it is a mere gag and easy to overcome, as I explained in using Oda's interview as a foreshadowing or a preview of what will happen.
As well, Boa's crush on Luffy seems like Sanji's actions around women; it may be more focused, but the chances of it developing further than comedic effect are slim.
Stop putting your hopes up, Boa Hancock's pedophile behavior will end.
Except, you know, that didn't work.
Prove it… I'll be waiting forever.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/582/07/
Prove it.
It's not a literal disease; she has a crush on Luffy, and if Luffy leaves and nothing's done about it, she'll be too depressed to eat and will eventually die. The only people to say that it's a disease are Amazons who know very little about romance in general.
Once again, this is literal.
Amazons call it a virus and we ought to know what that means– which in the proper sense, it can only refer to the literal meaning regardless of how you want to twinkle it.
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Urgh, I'm in a rush so I'm not quoting AGOG's massive essay, so I'll argue a few points he requested me to argue here:
Ok…
Proving Perona's a trickster, AGOG?
Easy as hell. The whole battle with Usopp where she made out she was really able to become a ghost. The part where she scared Usopp into almost having a heart attack by reaching into his chest. The growing huge and shrinking. The getting in his way as he was running, forcing him to run face first into a pillar and damage himself.
She's childlike, bashful, and playful– not a "trickster" or this: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trickster
Prove she's cowardly? Also easy. The moment she comes across someone her regular abilities don't affect she runs away screaming.
No, you didn't read the part where she stated herself that she was disoriented and confused; baffled. Not scared… She was just caught off-guard. She isn't afraid to fight people, she just didn't expect someone to be immune to her. Plus, we don't know if she ran instantly-- Oda skipped that stuff, anime showed and we know anime isn't fact.
She has the ghost rap still, and could still hurt Usopp easily, but her first instinct is to turn tail and run screaming at Kumacy to save her.
No, she stated it easily: "I got carried away and lost focus" or "I was disoriented and confused" not scared.
This isn't rocket science. That's quite clearly fear she's feeling.
Ummm… You don't understand the point at all; a "coward" is a special word with a unique meaning, and the way you wish to use it to describe Perona just doesn't follow that special and unique meaning. Simple?
Also the roaches despite them not even being real, and she did pass out with fear giving Usopp his win. She's not what we'd call brave. She's Usopp, Chopper and Nami standard bravery at best.
She isn't a "coward" and you can reference the dictionary to try and understand.
Is being cowardly a bad thing? Pfft, no. Mr. 3 is cowardly and awesome, Usopp and Chopper have both proven despite their flight instinct that they can be incredibly dependent, and let's not forget Buggy is easily terrified as well, yet still radiates with that coolness factor. Claiming Perona isn't cowardly however is ridiculous fanboyism. She is cowardly, and it's fine.
I didn't say she isn't "cowardly" since it would work, however, calling her a COWARD is not right and it doesn't support itself. Cowardly isn't "coward", by the way…
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between the usage of each word.
Generally speaking of course Luffy is the one the crewmate possible recruit has to interact with. He's the captain. He says who gets on the ship. Zoro is the first mate. He has no say in who Luffy picks. IF, and only IF Perona sticks around when Zoro meets back up with Luffy will Perona get a shot.
Prove it. I hope you are aware that you have no way to prove this claim as fact no matter what angle you want to take.
Although when mentioning she hadn't interacted with many of the crew, I had forgotten Nami had met with Perona in person, so I'll grant you that one. I can't count the Luffy meeting however, that was literally five seconds and Luffy called her an idiot.
Regardless, arguments tend to bring people closer, and quick meetings tend to leave pleasant reviews.
Don't get me wrong, out of all the current candidates(Perona, Hancock, Jimbei, Margurete, etc) I would have liked to have seen Perona get her shot(because frankly she's got an interesting power compared to the others), but we can't state it's obvious she's going to join, because it's quite frankly not.
Once again, stating this is wrong, yes… However, I'm stating that she's the HIGHEST able character to join, and therefore trolling the "obvious" aspect with omission of the "out of all revealed characters" part...
She's just the highest able to join character of all characters...
If Moria's still alive, I'm going to give up entirely on her joining because she actually really likes "Master" Moria from what's seen.
Actually, prove that she likes MORIA. We know nothing at all about this.
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@BekaDidAct:
Everytime I search for Moria I find posts in this thread.
Yeah… I wonder, what thread doesn't have AWESOME MORIA in it... At least, for "long"...