If Jimbei and Boa is overpowered then Luffy will never becoming a Pirate King.
If there's a time skip. I guess every one of them should grow stronger.
Or at least grow some beard.
Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
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@JERK:
He's the Hitler to your Schutzstaffel.
An exceptional standout dumbass, the rest of your are ordinary dumbasses.
See people, this is the kind of person that should be driving this thread. No arguments. No mentions of potential crew members. Just sheer trolling and nothing more. He's an incredible debater, isn't he? Applauce for the disease! Or jerk? I don't remember.
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Ugh, it seems that this thread hasn't improved any. A good third of the freakin posts here are people being snide and insulting each other.
But I digress, personally I believe that none of the current characters will join. Both Jinbei and Hancock are overpowered and would change the crew dynamic greatly. If I had to guess I think our next crew member will come from Fishman island. I am putting my chips on the mermaid princess that was mentioned briefly.
Well, considering she's a princess I don't know if it's all that likely. I mean, she'd need to stay on Fishman Island and rule, wouldn't she? That, and I think most of the people here have bad memories of Straw Hats and princesses.
Or were you making a pun about fish 'n chips?
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So is Perona support limited to herr-sebbe and AGOG or is there anyone else I can mock?
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Actually this is just me guessing, but I think its possible that the mermaid princess isn't a title in the literal sense. It could simply mean she is the most highly respected mermaid or what not. Also, we don't yet know the situation on fishman island. There could be a king for all we know, which if she even was a princess could enable the situation of her joining. Then again this is just me playing around with a tiny bit of information on a character we know nothing about.
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@JERK:
He's the Hitler to your Schutzstaffel.
An exceptional standout dumbass, the rest of your are ordinary dumbasses.:D Really cool quote, think I should save it xDD
See people, this is the kind of person that should be driving this thread. No arguments. No mentions of potential crew members. Just sheer trolling and nothing more. He's an incredible debater, isn't he? Applauce for the disease! Or jerk? I don't remember.
Ehm, he only made an observation on you guys. You really are taking this Perona theory toooo fuckin far.
I´d say I absolutely don´t think she´ll join, but this being OP, and her being on an island with Zoro, there´s still the chance Oda is going to pull an Oda :D
I most certainly won´t like it (1. don´t really give a damn bout her 2. she doesn´t look like "SH material" to me (even if we don´t know her background yet) and 3. your guys´ arguments ( and especially AGOG´s) have made her really really unappealing to me xD) if she joins, but I´ll bet Oda will manage for her to become a SH if he really wants to.In the poll I voted for Jinbei, but I really don´t think any of the infamous people we know are gonna join them… A fishman WILL probably join, though it won´t be Jinbei...
But - in OP especially, as well as in life :P - I´m open for all (but the damn door argument is soooooooo damn mind boggling.... *lloooooll)
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See people, this is the kind of person that should be driving this thread. No arguments. No mentions of potential crew members. Just sheer trolling and nothing more. He's an incredible debater, isn't he? Applauce for the disease! Or jerk? I don't remember.
ahahaha, you have no idea who this is huh.
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So is Perona support limited to herr-sebbe and AGOG or is there anyone else I can mock?
Just them. It was fine when it was just herr-sebbe cuz then we could quietly get past it. Anybody else who has entertained the idea hasn't for long.
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I think i should do the same thing as you, so lets Join the Spectators Side.
you should it'll be great when whatever happens does happen you'll be able to lol at everyone who made such a big deal and started telling people they were stupid for not believing what they do, trust me no matter joins or if no one joins, if your just a spectator just logically talking but never taking sides you'll be the one having the best time laughing at all those people
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! [rant]
! I don't think "support" is the right term. If the fans had to vote on the next crewmate, then the term "support" would be valid for describing people who campaigned for their favorite characters.
! The simple fact of the matter is that Oda doesn't lurk these forums searching for plot ideas. If he did, Vivi would've died ages ago.
! Therefore, I can say, "Hancock for next nakama," "Perona for next nakama," or "Spandam's Shoes for next nakama" without supporting anything at all. If I said I "supported" Hancock, Perona, or Spandam's Shoes, I would be implying that I had some kind of direct influence on their chances at joining, which nobody here at the forums does.
! [/rant]My current opinion is that we won't get a ninth or tenth crew member until after Fishman Island. The current circumstances don't seem conducive to it at all.
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I can see how people would say Jinbei is potentially stronger than Luffy but Boa? He's immune to her attacks, has the exact same haki, and is a much better physical fighter than her. He'd still be the strongest even if she joined. (Gear 2nd would wreck her)
But I digress, I'm down with both Jinbei and Boa. I don't care if both join, one or the other, or neither join. S'all good.
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You really are taking this Perona theory toooo fuckin far.
Reffering to all of us?
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@Uncle:
I can see how people would say Jinbei is potentially stronger than Luffy but Boa? He's immune to her attacks, has the exact same haki, and is a much better physical fighter than her. He'd still be the strongest even if she joined. (Gear 2nd would wreck her)
But I digress, I'm down with both Jinbei and Boa. I don't care if both join, one or the other, or neither join. S'all good.
And what do you base this on? We have not seen Boa Hancock show her true strength at all. The fact she is a warlord alone should suggest she is far more powerful than what she has shown. "Immune to her powers" you say? That is only interms of getting seduced, what about her slave arrows or her kicks that turns people into stone? Also an argument for "same haki" is just wrong at this point as Luffy doesn't even know he has it or even how to use it where as Boa clearly does.
But doesn't matter anyway… Like most I believe no one will join at this point. But no harm speculating, since Boa's awesome... :wub:
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But she can't turn Luffy to stone. That's why she was so freaked out that she… can't turn him into stone. Luffy having the same haki is relevant because he's going to master it. If you deny that then you're denying reality. He pulled Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd from out of nowhere, at least his haki has been foreshadowed. Being a warlord does make her a powerful contender but I don't see her too much higher than the likes of say, Crocodile. She might only be even to him, really.
Luffy may have struggled with Crocodile back then but now he just needs water + gear 2nd to clean house. Or haki + gear 2nd. Moria had the bonus of girth, 1000 shadows, oars protection, and everyone being handicapped without their shadows. I really don't think Luffy is as weak as everyone says he is. He's definitely warlord-level, at least.
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Reffering to all of us?
The theory in of itself is a grotesque example of logicless flights of fantasy past any known limits of sense, so obviously.
I'd death pact with you too but you wouldn't accept.
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So is Perona support limited to herr-sebbe and AGOG or is there anyone else I can mock?
Last i remember ZKaiser and mmmbug also support Perona.
@Uncle:
I can see how people would say Jinbei is potentially stronger than Luffy but Boa? He's immune to her attacks, has the exact same haki, and is a much better physical fighter than her. He'd still be the strongest even if she joined. (Gear 2nd would wreck her)
But I digress, I'm down with both Jinbei and Boa. I don't care if both join, one or the other, or neither join. S'all good.
Jimbei maybe good in water. But in Land. He's probably same class as high tier CP9 agent.
Boa is weaker than everyone thought. Why in the war she isn't try to turn some badass character to stone.?
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Zkaiser?? He's better then that.
mmmbug sucks though.
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Yeah. Maybe better .
I think he sarcastically posted that because ppl were asking where all the Perona for SH posters went.
LOL @ taking it seriously.
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Oh… it worked... XD
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
It's only a unique ability when compared to other fish ppl. It's not like the SHs need a fish person on the crew and the way Croc talked about it seems he just assumed that only merfolk could do it. For all we know there are other fish ppl capable of this ability. Besides that I don't know how long Oda could pull that off(even as a joke) since Luffy definitely eats fish.
I can see the horror on Jinbei's(any fish or mer folk) face as Luffy devours his friends.
I think that this http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/491/11/ is foreshadowing of Jimbei joining. Do you realy believe that this is just coincident that Luffy say somthing like that on the begining of this arc and later we see fishman with this ability (whitch they normally do not have or at last its very very rare fo fishman).
And for all we know there are no other fish ppl (except merfolk) capable of this ability or at last they were not mentioned earlier.and this horror on Jinbei's(any fish or mer folk) face as Luffy devours his friendson well he could just say something like "the fish i can call are my nakama…"
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I think if anyone joins now depends on if a time-skip is imminent or not, If it is it doesn't necessarily rule out a NN but it does dry up the pool a bit cuz then there would have to be back story of them joining or staying w/ Luffy (Jimbei) which I would think all joining the crew would do it in the present time
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@Uncle:
But she can't turn Luffy to stone. That's why she was so freaked out that she… can't turn him into stone. Luffy having the same haki is relevant because he's going to master it. If you deny that then you're denying reality. He pulled Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd from out of nowhere, at least his haki has been foreshadowed. Being a warlord does make her a powerful contender but I don't see her too much higher than the likes of say, Crocodile. She might only be even to him, really.
she freaked out at the idea there was some men who could withstand her beauty, but then her sisters explained the real reason.
Anyway she is too damn strong: she got out of the war unscratched and she managed to hurt smoker and sentomaru (the guy with the strongest defence) and destroy a lot of pacifistas while trying to not look too much suspicious in order to not have her shichibukai status revoked.
crocodile may not be as fast and powerful as luffy in gear 2nd and third but he's still a logia and has many one hit-kill techniques (and oda gave him a power-up in this arc:-).
Also there's an easy way to tell that hancock is much stronger than luffy by looking at nyon's comments abou the two of them: luffy is "the ant in the war" while hancock "with her power shouldn't fear death" -
I think that this http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/491/11/ is foreshadowing of Jimbei joining.
Or foreshadowing that any merfolk from Gyojin island will join the crew but in truth it isn't foreshadowing of anything at all other than a joke being set up.
Do you realy believe that this is just coincident that Luffy say somthing like that on the begining of this arc and later we see fishman with this ability (whitch they normally do not have or at last its very very rare fo fishman).
And for all we know there are no other fish ppl (except merfolk) capable of this ability or at last they were not mentioned earlier.Or Jinbei isn't the only fishman that has the ability. Nothing in the link you provided had Luffy saying anything about joining the crew or him wanting a person with that ability. It was put out there as an insensitive joke having to do with Luffy loving to eat which Sanji physically scolded him for since Camie is a mermaid. Maybe you can't or didn't comprehend that.
and this horror on Jinbei's(any fish or mer folk) face as Luffy devours his friendson well he could just say something like "the fish i can call are my nakama…"
LOL WUT?
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Jimbei will probably be a temporary companion.
Hancock won't join.
Perona won't join (obviously).I don't think we've met the next yet.
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I can see Hancock and Jinbei pulling a separate or double "Vivi" on us.
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I think Hancock will become a sort of Smoker/Tashigi character.
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@JERK:
I think Hancock will become a sort of Smoker/Tashigi character.
I would think if she didn't join she would be more Bon-chan character, show up, help out the SHs, leave again, not show up wanna take them into custody (well maybe Luffy) and throw them in jail…
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@JERK:
The theory in of itself is a grotesque example of logicless flights of fantasy past any known limits of sense, so obviously.
I'd death pact with you too but you wouldn't accept.
You're right at that last part, because I'm still open to other options. I could easily see Hancock joining and likewise I wouldn't be surprised if none of the current character joins. I still listen to reason, you know.
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! @Krisboo9:
! > How can you use that as an argument? I myself believe that jinbei won't join because of this reasons:_"I guess Oda is making jinbei (though he had issues to resolve related to FI) a bit of an obvious SH member possibility, but i guess he won't join and Oda is going to surprise us with another character (the same with boa).
Cause seriously, i can't seem to find a way to FI be protected other than Shanks saying that island is HIS territory, and i guess that's very unlikely.And i guess jimbei has a stronger bond with his people, the Fishman (and merfolk?) rather than Luffy and his crew, and now that WB (and previously Fisher Tiger) is dead, he'll have to take responsability and care for FI with his powers, and that responsability will be his (unless there's some kind of bigger authority able to do so among Fishmen).
Aniway, something that actually contradicts this would be jinbei's promise to Ace. We don't know if the fishman is going to follow the promise to death or if he'll prefer the safety of his people…"_
But, saying jinbei won't join because he's too fat (?), what's the problem with that?
Also he may be important for the plot later, in FI (and probably we'll learn his past or something).
In my opinion neither boa (i wanted her to be in the crew, though) or jinbei are going to join, someone new from FI or an old enemy perhaps (not perona plz >-<)(Hopes it's crocodile, but that's just nonsense).
we don't even know if jinbei is alive though (probably is, aniway)
! I'll repeat myself: "Jinbei is too unfit to be a strawhat material character, who will change and alter the design specifications of everything concerning Franky's dream; thus, making his dream insignificant and completely unimportant!!"
! No matter how many times I look at Jinbei, Oda has basically shown the guy to be fat. Meaning, this is a "fact" based upon what little we know of this guy; he is fat. Rather than arguing against all the boring illogical stuff like:
! 1. Does Jinbei have a personality?- Does Jinbei have a way to join?
- Does Jinbei have a sad past?
- Does Jinbei have a dream?
- Does Jinbei have blah blah blah…
! Which, if you can't see, most of these things are merely opinionated and can be altered in an instant concerning the author's own ability… Meanwhile, the argument that his size is too troublesome cannot be drastically altered and/or changed because Oda has already shown a "physical" feature that would basically be a "fact" that prevents him from casually joining from the start.
! Other than arguing over uncertainty, and known distortions that basically become meaningless, it is better to argue over some "fact" that is what exists. Whether Franky can fix the doors or Jinbei loses a lot of weight, that stuff doesn't matter until they are dealt with; therein, this creates a proficient "con" against fat-fishman from joining.
! If we explore Jinbei's character, the only other "con" that would work is just opinion based and rarely works as a "suitable" con against him. Sure, he has "pros" but his size is by far the most definitive issue against him joining; which needs a solution... Casually fixing that issue, if Oda chooses to do so, is that remains nonexistent.
! In reality, the only thing that is needed to join the crew would be to find their ship and ask them, nothing more or less... However, "size" and character design has always eliminated all these enormous oddballs from joining.
@mdmartin101:
! > @AGOG Didn't Brook kinda tip the all rookie crew thing back at thriller bark? You know where he was part of a guard for a certain kingdom, and later a pirate?
! No. He was a rookie from 50 years ago. He doesn't know anything about the future islands, none.
! Prove to me that Brook knows what lies ahead of "TB" and the Florian Triangle. He knows "nothing" at all…
! That's what makes him a rookie.
! Jinbei knows of the New World because he traveled there many times.
We don't know about Hancock... She can fit the bill.
Perona should fit the bill...
@hiper05:
! > Let's look at all the possible crewmember that everyone has been voting for.First off Jimbei; he is propbably one of the strongest Fishman around (being 2nd in charge of Sunny Pirates, the biggest fishman pirate group in my opinon). He has fishman karate and ability to talk to fish. Making him a super power beast if he joins SH.
- Reason one why I think the Jimbei will not join SH is beacuse every SH has a dream to accoumplish that with traveling the grand line they can fulfill. Jimbei's cloest dream that has been indicated in the manga is protecting fishman island. Which is why I believe that Jimbei will only travel with luffy as far as to fishman island and will part ways.
! There was no such "ambition" in the SH crew; they don't protect stuff… It's more personal, the dreams are...
Jinbei would be doing a Nami and then getting dropped off if that is his dream; however, his dream is unknown...
! > 2) Reason two why I think the Jimbei will not join SH is beacuse he is ridiculously strong. Looking back at the manga(and recent episode), we see that Jimbei is atleast as strong as luffy in gear 3 on land(and stronger underwater), plus his ability to call an army of fish makes him a superpower that might easily over power the SH crew.
! We can't rate him… It is distorted; obviously, he's undisputed in the water...
We just don't know where he would be, probably ahead of Zoro and might be below Luffy... It all depends on the dead Ace, if he were alive, then it would exist. If Luffy can defeat Ace, then Jinbei is weak enough to join.
! > 3) Reason three why I think the Jimbei will not join SH is beacuse he is kind of a stiff character which he already have with Zoro. I really dont see Jimbei interacting with the SH too much, Haichi and Camie interacted more.
! Oda can change this in an instant…
! > 4) Jimbei is too much a veteran pirate to be joining a nebie crew like SH. The manga indicates Jimbei going to visit Whitebeard from time to time(who is located in the New World). This mean Jimbei knows the New World very while. Which would ruin the suprise of the SH sailing into the NW, if Jimbei gain guide and give details to NW islands.
! Yeah, this is something that I feel would prevent him, but Oda can override that and make Jinbei like Vivi– a "see all" tell "none" sort of character.
! > Second is Perona: She has a seriously cool df ability, and it would be an awesome ability addition to the crew. Perona would be a great scout for the SH. Her negative princess character in my opinon would have great interation with the rest of the crew. But I believe that other than her great ability, she really doesn't fit in with the SH.
! Why not?
Her ability provides her a role; "Lookout"
Her characterization allows her a character revelation, and a whore house in the SH crew general everyday antics… She'll be a whore to all that stuff going on; she's got the personality to thrive in that environment.
If she has a background, she can be even more able... Officially, she's got enough to exist as a SH crew member.
! > 1) She has no real dream that has to be accomplished that traveling with SH can fulfill. She likes all things cute and likes to have servents. Is the only dersire she has as indicated by the manga. And she was plenty happy with being with Moria that accomplished this.
! She has NO dream. There is no stated dream for her yet… She can easily get a real dream, and we knew that certain characters have joined without their dream stated. Meaning, dreams can come in the future.
Sure, that's her personality... "Cute" and "servants" is what makes up her characterization, as far as we know... No, her desires are totally unknown. We have no idea why she even teamed up with Moria, and we don't know anything about her.
Yeah, however, she left him willingly and no longer has shown a "direct" or "any" desire to return... Furthermore, she isn't sure if the guy even is there anymore...
! > 2) She didn't display any loyalty like the SH do when she ran from Moria's ship when things got dangerous. Loyalty is an important quality for being a SH member. We could look at Perona helping Zoro as being a isolated event that she felt sorry for him being so beat up, but doesn't reflect on the possibility of being loyal in the future.
! She hasn't had a chance to show any of that nonsense… You have to understand that the SH crew only does this when they are in a "life and protect a person" situation, and Perona hasn't been placed into a "protection" position because there was never anything like that.
In other words, she's "uncertain" with this and officially it doesn't harm her.
! > I think that Perona would be Zoro's ally untill they reach SA, where the split up.
! I disagree, her characterization should force her to keep on going and following Zoro, so to speak… Oda would have "disappointed" if that's all he did with her.
! > Last is Boa Hancock: She has the highest chance of joining the SH out of the three. There was some forshadowing by Oda in loguetown that showed Nami wearing Hancock's cloths. Which let's me believe that Oda has though of Hancock since then. Her superior altitude complex with the SH could have many funny sceans resulting in Nami being pissed. And her love with luffy, we will see her protect luffy from attacks from the rest of the crew and Sanji being heartbroken that luffy has gained such a super beauty. Her Haoshoku Haki and df would be great additions to the crew's strengh. Plus her mulipulation of people using her looks can sometimes be funny and usefull for the SH crew.
1)I think having two King's Haki is not really the problem but that both luffy and her df are close to mid range fighting ability. It make me think the Hancock will always be a weaker version of luffy. Her Perfume Fermur kick seems a little violet to be in the SH crew arsenal( cracking the body part that is kicked).
2)She really doesn't have a dream that needs to be accomplished. Her only dream is to protect luffy, which Oda might make into a reason for Hancock to join. So her dream could become to make luffy pirate king and then marry him.
3)She already has a commitment to Amazon Lilly with protecting it, which means keeping her title as Shichibukai. Meaning if she went with luffy, she would risk the lives of her people.
Of the three people mentioned Boa Hancock has a 50/50 chance of joining in my opinon; Jimbei and Perona have almost little chance of joining permently.
! Boa Hancock sucks!!
She has no means of escaping AL and if she leaves it behind, you can play the "she's not SH material" card on her pansy ass… She's a real bitch, and her chances of joining were nonexistent.
That dream isn't the same, and if we follow the "pattern" and such, it fails. That's a pattern, by the way. The rest of that stuff is boring, it's not important because those things don't matter...
! 1. You are full of it, Hancock is shown as a godly character; everything she "kicks" can turn into stone… Call her a monster, cause Luffy's going to get stoned if she fights back. Furthermore, her having the same Haki as Luffy is basically her being "better" than Luffy and it sucks for the main character when a side character is too similar to him... Ruins his "characterization" by leaps and bounds!!- How absurd!! She has NO DREAM, and remember that dreams existed long before Luffy met the group; therefore, her dream must have been what she had aspired while a child. If she isn't dreaming in SW, then you can call her a "pathetic plot fodder" character. Officially, her dream would be similar to all the AL idiots; "to be a stupid Empress…" everything else is something that would be a difficult thing to argue for.
- If she left them, then she's unfit to be a member… She's a monster and should die...
! > But my wild guess would be somone from Fishman Island that will endup joining the Strawhats. Maybe the half-sister(merman+fishman) of the Princessess of Fishman island. This fulfilling both a fishman role, another female role and could have a personal ability that is usefull for the crew.
! We all should expect that… However, this thread would suck if we weren't discussing existing characters... Of course, the idea that Oda will make a character from the future join is the most consistent one because of the past.
! @Airflow:
! > What's your reasoning for Perona joining then?
! http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=3318865&postcount=1
I'm sure you'll avoid reading it, or just stop after the first part!!
Then mock me, cause that's you…
@herr_sebbe:
! > See people, this is the kind of person that should be driving this thread. No arguments. No mentions of potential crew members. Just sheer trolling and nothing more. He's an incredible debater, isn't he? Applauce for the disease! Or jerk? I don't remember.
! Hey, he's cool….
! Making bets with his account being IP BANNED, and then making other bets as well...
! He's a real MAN!!Sorry, but APFORUMS forces me to place my posts under spoiler or hide tags… I'm harassed by the mods concerning this!!
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Oh the horror .
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@JERK:
Jimbei will probably be a temporary companion.
Hancock won't join.
Perona won't join (obviously).I don't think we've met the next yet.
[hide]I agree with this sort of thought, just speaking…
Jinbei hasn't got any reason to join at all. There's really no need for him, Oda can create a better character than him, if he so chooses to have a Helmsman. Or, he can create Jinbei into that character...
Hancock won't join... She's got no future at all...Perona, if Oda doesn't want her to join, will just run amok and return to a meaningless plot-less life. However, if he wants to use her as a Vivi-like character to push the plot in the NW, or transform her from a Vivi into a Robin/Nami-like character, she's able to have more impact on life. Furthermore, she's able to join, at least with the information shown... It's only a matter of the writer following through. I think he will. If he doesn't, then it's not that bad.
But, officially it is probable to just have a fishman join and then a random side character being conformed into the final crew member for the SH crew in the NW or something. It is up to Oda's plot direction to decide on what he wants. If he wants to have Jinbei join, he'll make his character prominent in the Fishman Islands... If he goes there.
If he wants Hancock, he'll deal with AL for a long time.
If he wants Perona, he'll add some background information to make her have a conflict in the future, like a long lost evil man chasing her or some crisis only she experienced.
Regardless, the "idea" that he basically will create a character that he wants to join is true. He has always done this. Never recycling old characters, and always making a new one when he needs one... Personally, I would like him to recycle a character, it would allow him to have more "skill" as a writer if he could make it work. If not, then he's just going to keep making old characters pathetic and unimportant. Then, when the time comes, he'll make new characters join every time...
It does make this thread pretty pathetic when the author never allows "old" characters a chance... We'll have to wait for the "signals" because we won't be able to have any character join.[/hide]
Oh the horror .
I'm still using that avatar, surprisingly so… How horrific, eh?
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I'm still using that avatar, surprisingly so… How horrific, eh?
That avatar is greatly depict how Perona is.
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I'm taking you on AGOG.
I'll repeat myself: "Jinbei is too unfit to be a strawhat material character, who will change and alter the design specifications of everything concerning Franky's dream; thus, making his dream insignificant and completely unimportant!!"
Franky's dream is to build a ship that will get to the end of the GrandLine, if you alter the ship in small, insignificant ways it's still his ship and thus his dream remains unaltered. This isn't the Ship of Theseus Paradox, we're talking minor changes.
No matter how many times I look at Jinbei, Oda has basically shown the guy to be fat. Meaning, this is a "fact" based upon what little we know of this guy; he is fat. Rather than arguing against all the boring illogical stuff like:
- Does Jinbei have a personality?
- Does Jinbei have a way to join?
- Does Jinbei have a sad past?
- Does Jinbei have a dream?
- Does Jinbei have blah blah blah…
I know right, all that boring shit that defines his character is irrelevant to how fucking fat he is.
Which, if you can't see, most of these things are merely opinionated and can be altered in an instant concerning the author's own ability… Meanwhile, the argument that his size is too troublesome cannot be drastically altered and/or changed because Oda has already shown a "physical" feature that would basically be a "fact" that prevents him from casually joining from the start.
Oda has a fuckload of things going on at any given moment. He has the world's top selling manga to draw, he had a movie to plan, he has a wife and children and every week he has to design a variety of interesting characters and locales. He's a clever guy but he's not omniscient. It's entirely probable that he didn't think of something that he would have to deal with in about year when designing Jinbei and instead was worrying about the coming war and the immense problems he was going to have portraying it. So if Jinbei gets on the ship Oda will deal with it via means of a one off gag like he always does, he'll have Jinbei struggle to fit through the doors and then Luffy in his niceness will ask Franky to build new ones. Or alternatively Jinbei spends all his time otuside or in the ocean. Or alternatively Oda retcons and increases the size of the doors. It's a easily fixable, minor problem you have with Jinbei and is in no way a deal breaker.
Other than arguing over uncertainty, and known distortions that basically become meaningless, it is better to argue over some "fact" that is what exists.
lol, isn't this exactly what you're doing with Perona?
WE KNO NOTHIN ABOUT HER, DEREFORE SHE'S BETTAR!!!Whether Franky can fix the doors or Jinbei loses a lot of weight, that stuff doesn't matter until they are dealt with; therein, this creates a proficient "con" against fat-fishman from joining.
No it's a neither a positive or a negative, it's a neutral meh. We know the issue can be easily dealt with so it doesn't fucking matter. Stop bringing it up.
If we explore Jinbei's character, the only other "con" that would work is just opinion based and rarely works as a "suitable" con against him. Sure, he has "pros" but his size is by far the most definitive issue against him joining; which needs a solution… Casually fixing that issue, if Oda chooses to do so, is that remains nonexistent.
I don't actively support Jinbei joining but I can see he was far more pros than cons, even if we throw in your bullshit ones. Wouldn't be a terrible surprise to me if he joined.
In reality, the only thing that is needed to join the crew would be to find their ship and ask them, nothing more or less… However, "size" and character design has always eliminated all these enormous oddballs from joining.
Why, because Robin joined that way? Even though she's the obvious exception to Oda's general rule? In reality you need a lot more than that (which Perona heavily lacks).
Jinbei knows of the New World because he traveled there many times. We don't know about Hancock… She can fit the bill.
Perona should fit the bill...The all rookie crew idea ended when Robin joined.
Why not?
So many fucking reasons.
Her ability provides her a role; "Lookout"
Usopp already does that with his telescope. And better than she ever would. She's completely unneeded in that regard.
Her characterization allows her a character revelation, and a whore house in the SH crew general everyday antics… She'll be a whore to all that stuff going on; she's got the personality to thrive in that environment.
I don't know what the fuck this means unless you really are a lot more fucked up than I gave you credit for. If Perona joined her interactions would consist entirely of bitching, whining, playing with stuffed toys and crying because she'd much rather be back at Thriller Bark.
If she has a background, she can be even more able… Officially, she's got enough to exist as a SH crew member.
Backgrounds come before joining, she isn't Robin. Also speculation.
She has NO dream. There is no stated dream for her yet… She can easily get a real dream, and we knew that certain characters have joined without their dream stated. Meaning, dreams can come in the future.
Dreams come before joining, she isn't Robin. Also speculation.
Sure, that's her personality… "Cute" and "servants" is what makes up her characterization, as far as we know... No, her desires are totally unknown. We have no idea why she even teamed up with Moria, and we don't know anything about her.
She teamed up with Moria because he had a fuckload of cuddly zombies and lived in a gothic castle. Stop pretending Perona's deeper than her one-dimensional character really is.
Yeah, however, she left him willingly and no longer has shown a "direct" or "any" desire to return… Furthermore, she isn't sure if the guy even is there anymore...
She left him because the place was falling apart.
She hasn't had a chance to show any of that nonsense… You have to understand that the SH crew only does this when they are in a "life and protect a person" situation, and Perona hasn't been placed into a "protection" position because there was never anything like that.
She could have helped them against Oars instead of fleeing like the coward she is. Also half this post makes no sense, if you're going to waste my time writing paragraphs of speculation and misinterpretation then at least make it legible.
I disagree, her characterization should force her to keep on going and following Zoro, so to speak… Oda would have "disappointed" if that's all he id with her.
Perona likes cute cuddly things. Zoro is not a cute cuddly thing. Shabondy is full of cute cuddly things. QED.
When you say disappointed you actually mean "ruined your bullshit, nonsensical theories, made you the laughing stock of the forums and got you IP banned". Because nobody else would be disappointed.http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=3318865&postcount=1
I'm sure you'll avoid reading it, or just stop after the first part!!
Then mock me, cause that's you…This post actually riled me into making this reply, I don't like people thinking of me as a flamer and nothing more. I flame morons who don't know they're morons and if necessary I'll argue if they're morons or not. Sorry AGOG but you're one of the most self-deluded morons on the forum, up there with shit like Shandian and Miniluffy.
Hey, he's cool….
Making bets with his account being IP BANNED, and then making other bets as well...
He's a real MAN!!
You will honour the bet I trust?
Sorry, but APFORUMS forces me to place my posts under spoiler or hide tags… I'm harassed by the mods concerning this!!
Please never type anything this long again, I dread to think how much of your life you waste defending this meaningless theory.
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And another challenger appears. Another warrior attempts to slay the beast. Will this nightmare never end?
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I won't bother covering what others have covered already.
No. He was a rookie from 50 years ago. He doesn't know anything about the future islands, none. […]
It's incredibly unlikely that Jinbei's been to every single island that the Straw Hat Pirates will visit in the future. In addition, he could act as an exposition for certain islands, similar to how Nami and Robin are for known islands and famous people within the One Piece world. Although I agree that he may be too powerful (one punch from him is about as strong as an attack by Gear 3rd Luffy, if the reactions of the guard beasts are anything to go by), Luffy is still at least one step ahead with his Gear 2nd/3rd combination, which increases his strength further (you can pull out the "Jinbei beat up Moria" card, but the facts are this: Luffy beat Moria when Moria had a thousand shadows available to him and was at full strength, and even then, it was easy for him once Moria stopped running. Meanwhile, Jinbei's showing was when Moria had six to twelve shadows at his disposal, not nearly the same amount)
Boa Hancock sucks!!
She has no means of escaping AL and if she leaves it behind, you can play the "she's not SH material" card on her pansy ass… She's a real bitch, and her chances of joining were nonexistent.
That dream isn't the same, and if we follow the "pattern" and such, it fails. That's a pattern, by the way. The rest of that stuff is boring, it's not important because those things don't matter...So you cite dozens of patterns when it comes to Perona, but ignore them when it comes to every other character? Biased, much?
You are full of it, Hancock is shown as a godly character; everything she "kicks" can turn into stone… Call her a monster, cause Luffy's going to get stoned if she fights back. Furthermore, her having the same Haki as Luffy is basically her being "better" than Luffy and it sucks for the main character when a side character is too similar to him... Ruins his "characterization" by leaps and bounds!!
I don't see how such a thing would ruin his characterization, when that is basically his distinctive characteristics and personality, none of which Hancock shares. It's like saying that Brook shouldn't be on the crew because he's taking away from Zoro's characterization (I know people made that argument before, but he was added regardless), or that Chopper takes away from Luffy's characterization (melee attacks powered by Devil Fruits; neither one is a serious or mature character). Robin's Devil Fruit seemed cheap when it was first revealed (being able to instantly break someone's bones, among other things); only after she joined were some of its weaknesses shown to the audience. I know the same thing could be said about Perona, but I'm simply raising it as a point. However, Perona explicitly states that she wants to go back to Thriller Bark (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/10/), or at least to go to a place where servants will wait on her hand and foot. The Straw Hat crew is absolutely nothing like that, whereas Hancock's only known goal is to spend as much time with Luffy as possible (seeing as her wildest fantasies are of feeding him, I doubt it will go much further than that).
How absurd!! She has NO DREAM, and remember that dreams existed long before Luffy met the group; therefore, her dream must have been what she had aspired while a child. If she isn't dreaming in SW, then you can call her a "pathetic plot fodder" character. Officially, her dream would be similar to all the AL idiots; "to be a stupid Empress…" everything else is something that would be a difficult thing to argue for.
Brook was in his thirties or forties when he had his dream (to sail around the Grand Line and return to Laboon), so that point is completely invalid.
If she left them, then she's unfit to be a member… She's a monster and should die...
What does this have to do with anything? It's irrelevant, and only serves to accentuate your bias.
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Airflow,
[hide]@Airflow:I'm taking you on AGOG.
Franky's dream is to build a ship that will get to the end of the GrandLine, if you alter the ship in small, insignificant ways it's still his ship and thus his dream remains unaltered. This isn't the Ship of Theseus Paradox, we're talking minor changes.Fine, aside from his dream ship being "perfect" and such, yes… However, when you are concerned by the perfection placed into his ship, you should be aware that this means chances of having "any" changes to it will deter the meaning behind the "dream" portion of it. It's his "dream ship" and his dream is to surpass Tom's achievement while being on board of his dream ship.
It just doesn't feel like a dream ship, when you have to change it to fit some fat ass that basically is too fat to fit in it... It seems like a "less-than-perfect" ship only existing to fit them going forward. In other words, it is discardable, and Franky has shown that he is against having his ship labeled that. Now, if Jinbei is willing to live in the extra dock component room, by some odd chance he can fit through it, then it allows him to be less dynamic against the dream ship and exists to make the "ship" remain at its state of perfection.
I know right, all that boring shit that defines his character is irrelevant to how fucking fat he is.
You aren't the writer, so all that boring stuff that basically is for the writer to decide upon isn't important. Look at it this way: what "fact" do we have of Jinbei's personality and characterization?
At this stage, it is only skin deep…. We don't know shit about him at all, other than he's a shitty fishman and looks like he looks. All we have been exposed to of him is a bunch of pathetic crap that doesn't define the character, but just has his "exterior" motives and random doings.
His Whitebeard infatuation is an exterior thing, we don't know why he cares so much for WB's protection of FI... We just don't. The reason is because we don't know about Jinbei's personal taste for FI.
His consistent "I wanna die!!" stuff is again up for debate... It's obviously not meant to be comedic. Basically everything about Jinbei's actual character is nonexistent. It's a mere namesake with a design revealed...
Prove me wrong, but the bland depth that Jinbei holds is not something you can assume as a "fact" when the author can pull a 180 and add a special gag for Jinbei, so to speak... It's all in the author's hands and we don't know what Jinbei is, since we're never told much about the guy. Otherwise, it'll be us doing the duties of being the author, and that's not going anywhere...
Oda has a fuckload of things going on at any given moment. He has the world's top selling manga to draw, he had a movie to plan, he has a wife and children and every week he has to design a variety of interesting characters and locales. He's a clever guy but he's not omniscient. It's entirely probable that he didn't think of something that he would have to deal with in about year when designing Jinbei and instead was worrying about the coming war and the immense problems he was going to have portraying it. So if Jinbei gets on the ship Oda will deal with it via means of a one off gag like he always does, he'll have Jinbei struggle to fit through the doors and then Luffy in his niceness will ask Franky to build new ones. Or alternatively Jinbei spends all his time otuside or in the ocean. Or alternatively Oda retcons and increases the size of the doors. It's a easily fixable, minor problem you have with Jinbei and is in no way a deal breaker.
However, you would basically suspect that those fillable information that lack any logic work better to claim or disclaim him as a nakama?
His character design is a fact; a simple cold hard fact. You can make claims on his design, and that's something which is granted. For instance, you claim Oda was careless when he created that character; I don't. I believe that he made him that way to exclude him from initially being a nakama in the long run, so that he won't have to deal with making him have some other crap.
As long as Oda does this, it's the only safe control he has to basically limit who can join and who cannot. Everything else is random and meaningless, at best… Oda's able to change directions using the definite design as a powerful device.
Sure, this is a simple thing to fix, but it doesn't mean that this is going to be fixed... You're assuming it will, for your own biased choice. I'm showing that it is present and it exists; fixing it will be on the whim of the author. Like a good con does, I'm suggesting that Oda had the brains to think ahead and would fix this the instant he made Jinbei, not dredge in the future about SHIT I forgot to make him fit!!
Oda should be better than that, and he should have planned things out, otherwise, he's a shitty planner.
lol, isn't this exactly what you're doing with Perona?
WE KNO NOTHIN ABOUT HER, DEREFORE SHE'S BETTAR!!!Yeah, but she can fit on the ship… So, it's pretty much simple, eh?
No it's a neither a positive or a negative, it's a neutral meh. We know the issue can be easily dealt with so it doesn't fucking matter. Stop bringing it up.
It's negative until the author works it out… That's what makes it a con. Franky's important dream ship is a positive for Franky, having this addition would require some resolution. If it isn't manageable, then it means his design officially was never worthy of being a SH crew member.
It's only able to be removed when the author dares to address it; Jinbei's a "fat" character for life... if the author changes his size, then the argument is removed.
I will always keep this argument safe because it is the only "solid" one there... Of course, the means of it being solved or not solved don't matter; it is a con against fat-man from joining.
I don't actively support Jinbei joining but I can see he was far more pros than cons, even if we throw in your bullshit ones. Wouldn't be a terrible surprise to me if he joined.
I too, believe he has a shot if Oda works on the details. Any character can have a shot, naturally…
However, I feel that he never was in the running, therefore, his design eliminated his chances. Much like how Hancock's island eliminates hers, or at least it should automatically.
Without these things sorted out, there's no appeal in having those characters able to join. Otherwise, Iceberg could have joined even though he was a mayor. Same with Crocus and so many other characters.
Vivi could have left her island with ease. No harm done with her joining... However, Oda purposely has these things here to control who joins and who doesn't.
In terms of Perona, she basically has nothing holding her back. The only thing that would prevent her from joining is if Oda never intended her to join; she's in such a favorable position that there's nothing to be said of her position. It only needs to have the author provide the details to make that connection.
Why, because Robin joined that way? Even though she's the obvious exception to Oda's general rule? In reality you need a lot more than that (which Perona heavily lacks).
Robin was a standard that changed the previous standard… Perona would be a similar character, but we cannot rate what she joins with. It's rather "simplified" that Brook joined without anything but a design at hand. Surely, if there's no set condition to joining, Perona would suffice.
As far as something against Perona, which isn't a fact… The idea that Oda never has two characters come from the same arc would be interesting. However, it would kill his writing skill... If he can allow Perona to join, he will have made an impressive leap in terms of writing, cause he removed the predictability in his work... Allowing him to have an enormous amount of suspense for the final member. This would suggest that even characters from the past could join, like a Gin probable.
A better "surprise" would be in store if Oda does this.
The all rookie crew idea ended when Robin joined.
Not really, she wasn't a veteran so to speak… She has some, but she's the extreme of the group, aside from her, this is like their first time being in a cotton candy stand. They'll take as much as they need... And she's a "newbie" at life, therefore, she'll have a ton of new experiences... Like a bookworm that has read ahead, but never experienced anything.
It doesn't mean Robin's the almighty know it all, she's never experienced much of anything; reading it in a book or something doesn't necessary mean she knows how to do it or has done it.
Robin has never been to the NW and she never knew of anything beyond anyway... Just knows a few names and minor details. An info-buff character at best. Experience isn't her forte. That's what we mean when we mention this... Jinbei will have had the experience to know of how to get past obstacles, Robin has no solution to such things. Neither does Brook or any character; especially their navigator.
This means, that they'll have adventure looming.
So many fucking reasons.
Usopp already does that with his telescope. And better than she ever would. She's completely unneeded in that regard.Usopp isn't the "lookout" and he rarely does it… They fail at that job. How many times have they failed??? It is beyond a casual "dozen" because almost every arc they fail....
I don't know what the fuck this means unless you really are a lot more fucked up than I gave you credit for. If Perona joined her interactions would consist entirely of bitching, whining, playing with stuffed toys and crying because she'd much rather be back at Thriller Bark.
Actually, she would only do that initially, however, as time goes on, she'd have a change like how Robin and Nami both changed… Like how Chopper changed.
Change is possible, it is possible for Perona to suddenly "help" her enemy, is it not? Why is it impossible if she basically cannot enjoy the presence of others that are as wild as her, or worse?
She enjoys singing, dancing, and acting around; why can't the SH atmosphere exist for her?Perona isn't a "line", she's not a "ray" either... She's a circle, that can curve as length increases.
If characters were linear, then Nami would remain a pirate hater and so on... Robin would be pathetic... Franky wouldn't leave his homeland and Chopper would hate humans... Usopp; fails.
It's just like that, and since OP characters aren't this way, there's no reason against Perona being able to enjoy and strive in the SH atmosphere...
Sure, she'll have her room with toys and such, but she'll interact with the SH crew like the others tend to do eventually when they share themselves. Friendship is a tentative process, it grows and recedes based on interactions. If Perona cannot exist as a human being, then she fails and Oda takes the blame for that.
Oda, however, shows that even bad guys like Crocodile can do good... He shows that people can change, and if you give Perona a chance, it is possible for her to do the same.
Officially, she would be the spoiled brat of the group. However, she would be respectful to the lifestyle, of liveliness and joy, that she would hold... Meaning, she'd much rather try to fight to keep it, rather than how her previous lifestyle at TB was lost forever... TB is gone. She even says so herself; "humans... they tend to move on!!"
Wouldn't she follow what she said, after stubbornly coming to a conclusion that not only her place that she wishes to return to (TB) but her previous way of life is all but of the past... Wouldn't she strive to "live" for tomorrow in a new setting, or at least attempt to?
I think that she would follow her own advice and attempt to make due with the ragtag group that may be able to take her in. Does this seem that unlikely to you; character change?
Backgrounds come before joining, she isn't Robin. Also speculation.
Dreams come before joining, she isn't Robin. Also speculation.That's not true. Brook had nothing… Robin officially had a "dream", but Brook didn't...
You don't need much of anything to become Luffy's friend, and crew member... All I am saying is that she fits the bill, even without them. Of course, in the long run she will hold those things too... It's just what the writer will provide. But, she doesn't need any of them to be on their ship.
You aren't being "fair" to the content and assuming beyond capability. There's no set rule that suggests you need a checklist, the author made it that way, not I... He expects people to read it that way, not to have a checklist, the checklist will be given in due process, even if it doesn't have to be....
That's being a "good" writer, that's all.
She teamed up with Moria because he had a fuckload of cuddly zombies and lived in a gothic castle. Stop pretending Perona's deeper than her one-dimensional character really is.
You need to accept that she is.
First off, he [Moria] had no zombies and we don't know where he lived… He had no "Hogback" therefore he had no one to do shit to make the zombies, and from what we know, the chances of him having some was beyond the manga's content.There's no proof that Moria even had Thriller Bark back then... All we know is that either Oda stated she joined for "fun" [according to Steven's translation] or for no reason at all, and therefore wouldn't have anything explained.
We also know that she wasn't there all the time, which creates a lot of support for the chance of having a backstory.
You seriously need to look into a character; even if they are seemingly unimportant. Otherwise, there's too many 1-D characters out there, like ROBIN!!
She left him because the place was falling apart.
Yes, she left. She left out of fear… Your point?
She could have helped them against Oars instead of fleeing like the coward she is. Also half this post makes no sense, if you're going to waste my time writing paragraphs of speculation and misinterpretation then at least make it legible.
First off, Hogback was said to have been crushed. Absolam's last known location was by the General Zombies, and we know what happened to them…
In terms of what Perona knew before she passed out, and what she knew after she was awakened, it means that the chance of her running from the situation she was in at that time would be fairly absolute. It was incredibly high...
That is not wrong of her, she didn't do anything to make herself intolerable and inconsiderate...
The fandom against her decides that she left the people because she basically ran away while in danger, and to the fandom, her actions are unexplained because she has a moment of weakness... It's rather crude from a "character" point of view... Why would she bother to stay there when a massive force of mass is "after" her and she's being chased. It's like saying that Usopp should have stayed on the ship with Zoro as the fishman were after him; he didn't...
It's absurd. Her character was in a position where her "actual capabilities" were not able to do anything. She isn't able to assist anyone, and therefore must escape. Like how Mr. 2 ran, even though he could have stayed to fight Magellan... He would have been killed.
She, would have been killed as well if she stayed... Like she may have assumed the other "members" of her group have been, or so.
When you respect this, you can notably tell that even though she did cower away from Oars, she officially didn't have much of a choice.
Perona likes cute cuddly things. Zoro is not a cute cuddly thing. Shabondy is full of cute cuddly things. QED.
Wow… You are so surprisingly impossible...
No, she also wants to live in a stable home... Since Zoro isn't cute, and cuddly, why on earth did she help him? Can you believe in something called "change?"Furthermore, yes... Chopper would fit the bill... So, since she likes them, surely she wants Chopper... Then, Zoro would talk about him. Duh!!
But seriously, this isn't what forces people to join because Hancock would be able to leave her island behind and join the crew to suck a dick... Enough said, right?
When you say disappointed you actually mean "ruined your bullshit, nonsensical theories, made you the laughing stock of the forums and got you IP banned". Because nobody else would be disappointed.
No, it means that Oda would bring back a character and do nothing with them… Rather than waste that whole thing, he should have just made a character from scratch.
It's just stating that Oda didn't give a character any thought, and carelessly forgot to plan ahead.
This post actually riled me into making this reply, I don't like people thinking of me as a flamer and nothing more. I flame morons who don't know they're morons and if necessary I'll argue if they're morons or not. Sorry AGOG but you're one of the most self-deluded morons on the forum, up there with shit like Shandian and Miniluffy.
The sad thing is that you can't even understand anything… You take things far granted and I am positive that Robin was something you would never get, because you assume her as a villain at that time, and 1-D.
However, she joined... I'm sure that you would do the same mistake. Given that Perona does join.
It'll be funny... However, you shouldn't speak, when you can't even get your facts straight.
You will honour the bet I trust?
If you need it to be repeated; yes…
Please never type anything this long again, I dread to think how much of your life you waste defending this meaningless theory.
I see that you followed the stuff I said you would… Good boy!!
Here's your bone:
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@Uncle:
But she can't turn Luffy to stone. That's why she was so freaked out that she… can't turn him into stone. Luffy having the same haki is relevant because he's going to master it. If you deny that then you're denying reality. He pulled Gear 2nd and Gear 3rd from out of nowhere, at least his haki has been foreshadowed. Being a warlord does make her a powerful contender but I don't see her too much higher than the likes of say, Crocodile. She might only be even to him, really. He's definitely warlord-level, at least…
I do not think Luffy is "weak", but I definitely do not think he is "warlord-level" either. Yes, his haki has been forshadowed, but if you read my previous post, I said at the moment if hancock was to join, then hancock would be stronger. As I highly doubt Luffy is going to master haki this quick. As for she not being able to turn luffy into stone, read my previous post again… Hancock has other techniques that she has shown in the war that unables her to turn other people including swords to stone. (I think... cant remember correctly) But my point was, at the moment if either Jinbei or Hancock was to join, they'd be the strongest in the crew. I do not think Luffy is warlord level yet, you've used good examples. But I could use the same by refering to his battles with Kuma or even the short one with Mihawk. however I still think Crocodile is more powerful than luffy :p
@ Retardia - the reason she didn't turn any "bad ass character" to stone is simply the fact that she could not careless about this war. She wasn't even going to come to the war until she found out Luffy needed her help. Her only purpose in the war was to kick Smoker thus showing us her haki abilities and perhaps to have a link with Luffy afterwards.
All of this is my opinion though, you are free to argue yours. I'll try my best to counter / or just say anything useful really. l0ve j00s. Edit - AHHH MY eyes… >.< supaaa m0nster p0sts y'all.
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If there is to be a timeskip, then I'm sure that solidifies that no one is joining, as Oda wouldn't throw Jinbei or Boa onto the crew during a time that we don't see.
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I won't bother covering what others have covered already.
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[hide]It's incredibly unlikely that Jinbei's been to every single island that the Straw Hat Pirates will visit in the future. In addition, he could act as an exposition for certain islands, similar to how Nami and Robin are for known islands and famous people within the One Piece world. Although I agree that he may be too powerful (one punch from him is about as strong as an attack by Gear 3rd Luffy, if the reactions of the guard beasts are anything to go by), Luffy is still at least one step ahead with his Gear 2nd/3rd combination, which increases his strength further (you can pull out the "Jinbei beat up Moria" card, but the facts are this: Luffy beat Moria when Moria had a thousand shadows available to him and was at full strength, and even then, it was easy for him once Moria stopped running. Meanwhile, Jinbei's showing was when Moria had six to twelve shadows at his disposal, not nearly the same amount)
Going to ONE island is quite a feat… Sure, he could be a guide, but the idea that he went where WB's crew went suggests that he is far too impressive at knowing the seas, and the waters.
It's like Nami going through the early portions of the Grand Line knowing about all the difficulties, and such... We'd never have had any problem getting through Whiskey Peak. Sky Island? That's simple... Take the long way.
It would have changed the tone and mood of the whole work.... If Jinbei knows how to cheat things, he'll just say: "No, no, Luffy-kun... Please, don't buy this device here, or don't go that way..." Like how Hatchi did in SA. That would suck. Jinbei would be a watcher of the journey, and having too much stupid annoying panels informing the crew on what directive to take. I'd stop reading having every panel being about what should Jinbei do, because he knows too much...
So you cite dozens of patterns when it comes to Perona, but ignore them when it comes to every other character? Biased, much?
I only cite one: "Zoro will get lost and need help…"
The others are basically not important. Just that Zoro needs her to head back is all that needs to exist for her to join.Everything else doesn't matter.
Maybe I am biased, doesn't bother me... There's no set pattern for suggesting "variant x" should join because they love a character, etc.
I don't see how such a thing would ruin his characterization, when that is basically his distinctive characteristics and personality, none of which Hancock shares. It's like saying that Brook shouldn't be on the crew because he's taking away from Zoro's characterization (I know people made that argument before, but he was added regardless), or that Chopper takes away from Luffy's characterization (melee attacks powered by Devil Fruits; neither one is a serious or mature character). Robin's Devil Fruit seemed cheap when it was first revealed (being able to instantly break someone's bones, among other things); only after she joined were some of its weaknesses shown to the audience. I know the same thing could be said about Perona, but I'm simply raising it as a point. However, Perona explicitly states that she wants to go back to Thriller Bark (http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/10/), or at least to go to a place where servants will wait on her hand and foot. The Straw Hat crew is absolutely nothing like that, whereas Hancock's only known goal is to spend as much time with Luffy as possible (seeing as her wildest fantasies are of feeding him, I doubt it will go much further than that).
She said she wants a place like "Thriller Bark" and such, she's not being assertive that it is the only place she will live. She also had said: "People strive to move on… live forward!!" as well, which can suggest that she is capable of selecting something that is as fitting or slightly worse than what she wants.
We all have wants, however, they aren't always provided... We just have needs, and those are the things that we often strive to provide. She needs a home, and she wants an over-the-top one, however, if she cannot get what she wants, she will settle for what is the best option available to her; her need... She can select the SH crew if there is no better option out there, so to speak.
I think it's possible that way.
About Hancock's similar Haki, it's something that wouldn't be impressive... For instance, if every character in Bleach has the same Bankai.
If every character in Naruto used the same Jutsu.
If all characters were sages in Naruto.If every character that is strong like Luffy and Hancock have King's Disposition Haki, then it means that having such a trait isn't impressive and Oda needs to stop making a big deal of it.
People like Shanks, Whitebeard, Hancock and Luffy are acceptable since it is only a few array of individuals that possess such a feat, a few of millions... If every character in a crew had the same haki, then it seriously changes the meaning that was implied towards this feat.
It would be worse to have King Haki existent on Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy + Hancock... And if only Luffy Zoro and Hancock only end up having it, it's going to change the dynamic.
Regardless, it is best to just have Zoro and Luffy the only King's Haki holding individuals... Or just Luffy, since it's simple and far better that way.
Having a new member who holds the same virtue as the captain is like having a Shanks or Whitebeard character join; completely against all odds.
You see what I mean? The power is what only exists in top tier people, people that Luffy aspires to surpass. Having a character that holds the same thing just suddenly join up changes the dynamics of the crew, greatly...
Brook was in his thirties or forties when he had his dream (to sail around the Grand Line and return to Laboon), so that point is completely invalid.
Here's a recap, get with the program please…
- Zoro wanted to be the best since he was in the dojo fighting Kuina.
- Nami wanted to make a map of the world since before her island was enslaved and held as a ransom point…
- Usopp wanted to become a pirate and like his dad before his momma died…
- Sanji wanted to see the sea since he was on the Orbit.
- Chopper since he met Hiluluk.
- Robin since she was young enough to seek her mother's affection…
- Franky since he was picked up by Tom…
- Brook since he left Laboon behind 50 years ago.
What do these share in common? The fact that Luffy doesn't exist or influence them is pretty obvious…
None of these fuckers had a guy influence them to become that... Luffy didn't capture Sanji's heart and force him to chase a sea with him. He didn't flirt with Chopper to cure everything possible... He didn't throw Usopp a kiss to become a pirate...
No, these things existed long before the current plot line. Why should Hancock have a dream where she wants to be Luffy's bed mate, and make the rest of these guys look like aliens?
It's pretty pathetic. So, her dream, if it exists, should have developed long before she was a slave... Probably before she was a Kuja. So, it means that she would need a dream that she could gain through the Kuja pirates... Obviously, that's something that is up for debate on what it could be.
Her reason to join cannot just be to basically fuck Luffy, that's like saying this manga is that pathetic...
What does this have to do with anything? It's irrelevant, and only serves to accentuate your bias.
Not really… It's something that says: "I hate Hancock, even though I am being biased..."
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Whatever makes them happy. I for one, dont really mind arguing. However I do ignore the m0nster posts. Thats too hardcore for me :happy:
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Give up Airflow. AGOG has absolutely no life so he can waste hours writing massive walls of text that are intentionally written to make absolutely no sense.
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Was replying to you AGOG but 3/4 of the way through my massive reply my computer crashed and deleted everything I'd just written. I fucking despaired.
Basically fuck you, someone else point out the blatant problems with his theory.
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Mind saying that when I wasn't here last week, maybe?
Was replying to you AGOG but 3/4 of the way through my massive reply my computer crashed and deleted everything I'd just written. I fucking despaired.
Basically fuck you, someone else point out the blatant problems with his theory.
Sorry to hear that…
[Note: I free verse all of my posts, and really don't take the time to actual do much of anything...
It's just repetition since every argument and post is just about the same thing...]
But still, I'd like to see this post: :ninja:
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Agog: Do you really think Oda would make Perona the next crew member, when the probably one chance she had, was the Thriller Bark arc? Would Oda really just chuck her into the crew after all the time he's spent building up Hancock and Jinbei's characters. (More so for Hancock) It just seems like it would punch all the fans in the balls.
As much as I want and believe Hancock will join, I won't be surprised if random new character #1 crops up and they become the next crew member, and all of this internet rage will be for nothing, and we'll all look like the fucking idiots we are.
Remember guys, Fighting on the Internet is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win, your still retarded.
Gogo Team Hancock
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Agog: Do you really think Oda would make Perona the next crew member, when the probably one chance she had, was the Thriller Bark arc? Would Oda really just chuck her into the crew after all the time he's spent building up Hancock and Jinbei's characters. (More so for Hancock) It just seems like it would punch all the fans in the balls.
As much as I want and believe Hancock will join, I won't be surprised if random new character #1 crops up and they become the next crew member, and all of this internet rage will be for nothing, and we'll all look like the fucking idiots we are.
Remember guys, Fighting on the Internet is like running in the special Olympics. Even if you win, your still retarded.
Gogo Team Hancock
Hancock and Jinbei are both Shichibukai. Their character build-up won't go to waste even if they don't join the clan. If anything, they could use some more, if they want to compare to the likes of Crocodile and Moria, both of which had entire arcs devoted to them. Hancock, however, still has some pink-colored loose ends regarding Luffy that need to be connected before she can leave him behind, that is if she's not joining.
Also, Perona did not have a chance back in Thriller Bark if Brook was going to join. Two characters haven't joined at the same time so far, and as I see it, I don't think that's happening in the future either. However, Perona has been brought back into the story for one reason or another, and unless she's just going to be a plot tool of some kind, she will play some sort of part, or Zoro could've just been nurtured by some Random New Character X instead, like all the others. Whether she's back to join or not is too early to actually predict and be taken seriously, but it seems fairly reasonable that she will at least see the Straw Hats again.
Either way, whomever wins in the end, it'll all just start over again next arc, and we'll all have learned nothing. Gogo Team Retards!!
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I suspect that Oda just chucked the characters in random directions cause he wanted Luffy to be alone for Ace's rescue. Perona was left behind, so he just went. "Oh..I'll chuck Zoro there."
And yes, even if she doesn't join, Hancock will still have a presence, and I'm cool with that, but oh..how i wish she could meet the other crew members..so funny..
I remember that Vivi gotten a similar treatment, but she got left behind, good,,because she was a whiny bitch who was a blue haired nami, IMO of course.
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I suspect that Oda just chucked the characters in random directions cause he wanted Luffy to be alone for Ace's rescue. Perona was left behind, so he just went. "Oh..I'll chuck Zoro there."
And yes, even if she doesn't join, Hancock will still have a presence, and I'm cool with that, but oh..how i wish she could meet the other crew members..so funny..
Question is, Zoro's not relevant to the story at this time, so why give him a special treatment? Also, why the extra page to express Perona's desire to leave the island? This is not saying she'll definitely join, but she should at least be reunited with the Hats.
On the Hancock note, it feels rather set up for her to meet with the Straw Hats as well. It'd be really lame if she was just left to chance from here on.