I hope the 45 will become true
Chapter 558 "Little Brother" Discussion
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who said we aren't getting a chapter
every damn week you people are like a broken record
aww, don't blame them. when there were no spoilers on monday and the raw ain't out on tuesday, than it's almost likely there is no One Piece this week…
and it's much more confortable to claim or ask 'no chapter this week!?' than using the easiest possible way to find out on early mondays...
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Nice spoiler rumors floating around the internetz…
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I agree, I think the last member should be the Cabin boy/Luffys apprentice. Something similar to the relationship Buggy and shanks had with Roger.
we have Chopper and Zoro. Zoro somehow seems better fit to be a mentor than a mentally challenged 17 year old. Besides, we don't know anything about the relationship between Buggy/Shanks and Roger.
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lol seems like my predictions are right cool
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@Usopp:
Besides, we don't know anything about the relationship between Buggy/Shanks and Roger.
Hey everyone!, lets all point and laugh at this guy.
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someone solliciting for a ban :P
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Hey everyone!, lets all point and laugh at this guy.
points and laughsoh right
I missed the chapter where the three of them were seen talking to each other, or even seen in the same panel
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Better delete that post quickly if you don't want to be banned from the spoiler forum for a long time
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Thank god there is a spoiler tag there…
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@Usopp:
oh right
I missed the chapter where the three of them were seen talking to each other, or even seen in the same panel
It is common knowledge that Buggy and Shanks were apprentices to Roger whilst on the Oro Jackson, it was even announced recently again by the marines when discovering Buggy's past. Yet you refute us knowing the relationship between them, why is that?
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It is common knowledge that Buggy and Shanks were apprentices to Roger whilst on the Oro Jackson, it was even announced recently again by the marines when discovering Buggy's past. Yet you refute us knowing the relationship between them, why is that?
because we don't know if Roger ever even talked to them or gave a shit. Do you automatically assume that person A and person B are happy or not happy, when the only piece of information you have about them is that they're married?
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@Jim13ei:
Boa is so hot why isn't she a bit younger =( like Nami
um i don't find hancock or robin to be old at all. i mean what they are like 27-28 or something.
look at all the hot celebritites and they are like all around later 20's or early 30's. besides the brandnew ones of course. really 28 is still pretty young, or are you like in high school still and 28 seems like some old hag to you.
yes they are both still older than me, but i wouldn't even hesitate dating a girl if i found out she is 28 or whatever. that's still young. hell i would be more hesitant about dating an 18 year old over a 28 year old.
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@Usopp:
because we don't know if Roger ever even talked to them or gave a shit. Do you automatically assume that person A and person B are happy or not happy, when the only piece of information you have about them is that they're married?
It's confirmed that shanks was a cabin boy on rogers ship (chapter 434). We can also assume that Buggy had the same rank. Why would roger ignore them or hate them? Does it fit in his character? What are you even trying to a prove here?
Why can't luffy be a good example to his cabin boy (Smudges speculation) the same way shanks looked up to roger as a cabin boy?
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@Usopp:
because we don't know if Roger ever even talked to them or gave a shit. Do you automatically assume that person A and person B are happy or not happy, when the only piece of information you have about them is that they're married?
What your talking about doesn't make sense, accept that you are wrong.
The relationship status would be obvious, seeming as they are serving on the ship. And even now still ask about their old crew mates. What point are you trying to make?
holds head in hands
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adding to Kuma's discussion
PXs can talkhttp://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/04/
I think someone mentioned that Pxs can't talk !!
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Why can't luffy be a good example to his cabin boy (Smudges speculation) the same way shanks looked up to roger as a cabin boy?
A cabin boy to join the crew? lol. He'd have to be stronger than Usopp after his return, and don't forget Luffy is 17 and his behavior suggests that mentally we might have to subtract a few years from that. So if he became a mentor it'd have to be of a 12 year old, and I think we should keep that Apis-stuff to filler..
@TaKiJi:I think someone mentioned that Pxs can't talk !!
Good find.
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What your talking about doesn't make sense, accept that you are wrong.
The relationship status would be obvious, seeming as they are serving on the ship. And even now still ask about their old crew mates. What point are you trying to make?
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yeah, just as obvious as figuring kuma must be a fake because he didn't hold a bible in his hands while ursa shocking oars. Learn to deduce ffs. You don't know anything about what went on between Roger and Buggy/Shanks, neither do I or anyone else on this board for that matter. We don't even know if Oda planned something on that. So why the hell are you claiming this lack of information being obvious information.
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What your talking about doesn't make sense, accept that you are wrong.
Dude it's pretty obvious he's right so you must be misunderstanding him. It's not because Shanks and Buggy were cabin boys on Roger's ship that they were specifically Roger's apprentices. There's no indication Roger spent any time training people on his ship.
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Dude it's pretty obvious he's right so you must be misunderstanding him. It's not because Shanks and Buggy were cabin boys on Roger's ship that they were specifically Roger's apprentices. There's no indication Roger spent any time training people on his ship.
The training they had would have been through their battles against other pirates and marines, Roger wouldn't have to have a one on one training session to teach them, merely leading by example would have been sufficient.
An example of this type of training would be when Luffy learnt soru. Just from observing cP9 he deduced how to increase his strength, and the same would have most likely happened whilst Buggy and Shanks were on the Oro Jackson.
I find it hard to believe that Roger wouldn't have personally taught them, seeming as one of his ideals were related to the next Generation of pirates, similar to the ideals Shanks holds. Roger even used his last words to ensure the next generation would take off.
Also what you don't seem to be aware of is that a cabin boy is usually someone that runs errands for the captain of high ranking officer of a ship. Usually learning and carrying out all the tasks on a ship till they are old enough to take a much higher position, this being captain of their own ship or second mate to the current captain. History itself shows a large portion of famous admirals and captains starting out as cabin boys. This was also regarded as the position of apprentice.
Conclusion: Buggy and Shanks were most likely viewed as apprentices/cabin boys.
And yes I do agree there is no solid proof saying he trained them, but logic would suggest he did.
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I think that Usopp D. Teach is confused by your "point and laugh at this guy" comment when all you're doing is assuming. Oda hasn't given any indication of Shanks and Buggy's relationship with Roger, and even if you're right about them being close, how you gonna prove it?
We haven't enough background on Roger. How big was his crew? How long had Shanks and Buggy been on Roger's ship? Did Roger have division commanders who looked after them (Rayleigh?)? …
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I think shanks left the Roger pirates at the very end, I don't know if there really is any proof but I just think that for some reason ever since we know shanks payed a visit to rayleigh at SA, I'm doubtfull about Buggy though allthough Shanks did ask Buggy to join his crew (probably for comical purposes) and I would think that was when they already knew the crew was going to split up quite soon so also at the end of Rogers journey.
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umm -_- mistake lol
when Shanks asked Buggy to join his crew it was the day when Roger died.. SHanks said that was the last time he have seen buggy
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can someone remind me when the roger pirates split up then, was it three years after roger turned himself in or something or am I just imagining things?
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Crocus stayed with them for three years, and the crew disbanded one year before Roger's execution.
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I find it hard to believe that Roger wouldn't have personally taught them, seeming as one of his ideals were related to the next Generation of pirates, similar to the ideals Shanks holds. Roger even used his last words to ensure the next generation would take off.
And yes I do agree there is no solid proof saying he trained them, but logic would suggest he did.
I respectfully disagree with this logic. I can't remember a single scenario in the 50+ volumes of One Piece where a pirate has been seen training another pirate.
It seems pirate strength in OP is built upon individual training and battle. This at least has been the case for the entire SH crew. The other interactions we see amongst the crew is one of camaraderie and adventure seeking - not training. The mentor-apprentice training that we have seen thus far in OP is fragments of Marine training.
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I respectfully disagree with this logic. I can't remember a single scenario in the 50+ volumes of One Piece where a pirate has been seen training another pirate.
Sanji was trained by Zeff.
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I respectfully disagree with this logic. I can't remember a single scenario in the 50+ volumes of One Piece where a pirate has been seen training another pirate.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/17/
see what vice-captain of roger says
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The training they had would have been through their battles against other pirates and marines
Reasonable. Especially when observed in numerous crews.
Luffy learnt soru. Just from observing cP9…the same would have most likely happened whilst Buggy and Shanks were on the Oro Jackson.
Speculation.
I find it hard to believe that Roger wouldn't have personally taught them
Opinion.
Also what you don't seem to be aware of is that a cabin boy is usually someone that runs errands…
History itself shows a large portion of famous admirals and captains starting out as cabin boys…
This was also regarded as the position of apprentice.First line: generalized interpretation.
Second line: One Piece Fact. (sounds like it anyway).
Third line: interpretation.
SUMMARY: The sole One Piece Fact in this argument is the conclusion of the co-joined speculative interpretations, which instead are treated as fact. Shouldn't we conclude from One Piece Fact?And yes I do agree there is no solid proof saying he trained them, but logic would suggest he did.
There is none. Progressive logic, concerned with the interrelatedness of two or more statements (see previous quote) and NOT the truth would lead to this conclusion. Contextually interpreted, the conclusion can be proven as neither true nor false, without the proper application of fact clearly stated in canon.
Can we can reasonably estimate that Buggy and Shanks learned piracy through observation? Yes, reasonably. However, the disinclination toward other possibilities renders the reason this thread exists - the discussion of possibilities, useless.
I respectfully disagree with this logic. I can't remember a single scenario in the 50+ volumes of One Piece where a pirate has been seen training another pirate.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/506/17/
see what vice-captain of roger saysRayleigh states they were training to be pirates, not trained by Pirate X.
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such an awesome chapter!
i did some fanart if anyone wants a look
http://zinfer.deviantart.com/
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I respectfully disagree with this logic. I can't remember a single scenario in the 50+ volumes of One Piece where a pirate has been seen training another pirate.
It seems pirate strength in OP is built upon individual training and battle. This at least has been the case for the entire SH crew. The other interactions we see amongst the crew is one of camaraderie and adventure seeking - not training. The mentor-apprentice training that we have seen thus far in OP is fragments of Marine training.
Basically you didn't bother reading my posts otherwise you would realise your actually backing what I said.
@Fire Fist:
Sanji was trained by Zeff.
Thanks.
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Zeff didn't train Sanji until he retired as a pirate and became a chef.
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@Usopp:
Zeff didn't train Sanji until he retired as a pirate and became a chef.
Kitchen Kung-Fu :ninja: (Operation: Scorpio anyone? )
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@Usopp:
Zeff didn't train Sanji until he retired as a pirate and became a chef.
Also, Sanji wasn't a pirate at the time, was he
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Rayleigh states they were training to be pirates, not trained by Pirate X.
wikipedia says
The term training refers to the acquisition of knowledge, skills, and competencies as a result of the teaching of vocational or practical skills and knowledge that relate to specific useful competencies.
you can learn something by yourself BUT
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wikipedia says
you can learn something by yourself BUT
you can't be taught something unless it is by a teacher…hehehehehehe
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wikipedia says
The term training refers to the acquisition of knowledge, skills, and competencies as a result of the teaching of vocational or practical skills and knowledge that relate to specific useful competencies.
you can learn something by yourself BUT
you can't be taught something unless it is by a teacher…train·ing [tráyning]
noun
1. acquiring of skill: the process of teaching or learning a skill or job (often used before a noun)
a training programMicrosoft Encarta 2009. 1993-2008 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
Good point. Ambiguity in the language used lends itself to either meaning. Does either definition (which is the product of a modern context which may or may not directly apply in One Piece, mind) fit within the One Piece context?
On a different note, I dunno wat ta predict for this week! Aaaaargh! So many things I wanna c! So many I don't wana. I wanna chew somethin out jus becauz. Bink has delivered early the past few weeks. ^^ hoping
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Good point. Ambiguity in the language used lends itself to either meaning. Does either definition (which is the product of a modern context which may or may not directly apply in One Piece, mind) fit within the One Piece context?
On a different note, I dunno wat ta predict for this week! Aaaaargh! So many things I wanna c! So many I don't wana. I wanna chew somethin out jus becauz. Bink has delivered early the past few weeks. ^^ hoping
we forgot something , we can't know for sure it is translated rightly. you know how it can be difficult to translate words in any language.
maybe it is : learning to be pirates , training to be pirates or just to became pirates
found something interestedlearn means to acquire or gain skill, knowledge or comprehension; teach means to impart skill, knowledge or comprehension to
this is going to covert to a English class :P
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lol i agree that Kuma isn't as badass as some people make him out to be but he is still pretty powerful or he wouldn't be a shichibukai. (That was just in case you weren't being totally sarcastic) (:ninja:Sarcasm Ninja)
My only real problem with kuma is that people make him out to be a god killing super machine that is unbeatable, which is obviously not true, and hype the hell out of him.
??? Most of the things he listed is BS. If he wanted to kill the strawhats they would be dead. He had Luffy on the floor screaming like a little girl about failing his friends. He didn't even wrk up a sweat.
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??? Most of the things he listed is BS. If he wanted to kill the strawhats they would be dead. He had Luffy on the floor screaming like a little girl about failing his friends. He didn't even wrk up a sweat.
We've got a winner. Give the cpt. obvious his prize.
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Whoa… where's the spoiler tag? BTW, is there a chapter this week?
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There is a chapter, and Scanlations should be up in a couple of hours.
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??? Most of the things he listed is BS. If he wanted to kill the strawhats they would be dead. He had Luffy on the floor screaming like a little girl about failing his friends. He didn't even wrk up a sweat.
++++++++1!
He is bad ass. Kuma the Tyrant.
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you can learn something by yourself BUT
you can't be taught something unless it is by a teacher…The word was training, not teaching. Ofcourse there needs to be a teacher for teaching, but you can perfectly train in something by yourself. If I am training to become a top sprinter, where is the teacher? And even if they were being "taught to be pirates", nowhere does it say that Roger was the teacher.
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