Nami is alsum, but the it's the 'stache man, the 'stache.
Roger vs. Nami
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@Taz:
I used to think Robby was one of the more intelligent posters. How wrong I was. You make Nami out to be a hollow shell with no personality, quirks or accomplishments just because she's been groped and was made unconscious as a story-telling device_._ Hell you exaggerate even more than most by saying she has done nothing since Arlong Park. You are just as bad as your own accusations by relegating Nami's character to nothing but fanservice.
Well, I'm glad its so easy to change your opinion of a long time poster in just under an hour with about 3 posts.
I figure I should probably clear this up before the thread closes or else it'll be lost to the ether. All these pages and Urouge is the only one that caught on. Sheesh people. Seriously. My first post in the thread I even say
@robbybevard:
As a result, I vote for X. Drake.
@robbybevard:
As a result, I vote for X. Drake.
@robbybevard:
As a result, I vote for X. Drake.
If that's not a blatant sign I'm kidding, I dunno what is. There's some legit conversation and opinion being attempted and I'm pulling up a couple of legit points, while also very clearly ignoring dozens of others. I'm just taking the far end of the spectrum and a very specific point for the sake of a campaign day, which is what I've done on every campaign, often times supporting characters that I was "vehemently" opposed to the previous round, in order to make things more interesting or encourage discussion in what is proving to be an otherwise dull match.
Also, the posters that DO go "Hey, vote for boobs" really do annoy me, because thats hardly a reason at all to vote for a character, especially one as fleshed out with as much history, tragedy, personality and character growth as Nami.
Seriously, go look back on the Aphelandra/Moria match, and then go look at the next Moria match after that. Where in the first match I vehemently protested the mere idea that Aphelandra had anything to do with breasts and it was pure personality and that Moria should lose, the next match I protested that Moria should win and Ivankov was nothing BUT breasts. (Let alone the insane evil overlord bit. Or the multiple personality match for Boa the other day. Or the Absalom/Krieg match.)
I do have some legitimate gripes about Oda's portrayal of women the last 200 chapters or so, but no, that doesn't overshadow the characterization or storytelling or thousand other things he does well. And Nami's had some real moments here and there. These contests have gotten a little stale after nearly 4 months and some matches are incredibly light and undiscussed, so I'm just, very intentionally, taking a very narrow and specific point of debate cause I knew it'd get people talking and discussing a point.
But now, Shmeckie is here and he actually DOES believe this exact same argument, so I'll leave it to him.
Its actually a REALLY close campaign now, only 5 votes seperate the two, so, give it your best everyone!
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@robby: I figured you were kidding, but I love debating and you were raising points that some people do actually believe, so I took the opportunity to try and refute them. I thought it was fun. ;)
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No matter what, this lady will win:
(should i have used spoiler tags to prevent possible emotional scars?) :p
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Roger! claps claps Roger! claps**claps
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This match was sooooo much better than Zoro vs Hancock.
That saddened me. And I love Zoro. :>
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@robbybevard:
Well, I'm glad its so easy to change your opinion of a long time poster in just under an hour with about 3 posts.
I figure I should probably clear this up before the thread closes or else it'll be lost to the ether. All these pages and Urouge is the only one that caught on. Sheesh people. Seriously.
I've seen you use the same arguments against Nami in the past and I think you voted against her in both the Carue and Kuma matches. So it wasn't a stretch to think you were serious. And unlike examples like Aphelandra/Moria, there are people who actually do adhere to opinons like your posts. I've been speed-reading to catch up with this thread so I did miss that. If you really were kidding then my bad.
Honestly, we don't really need any more 'conversation stimulants' here. It's been a whirlwind from the get-go.
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I don't hate Nami. I actually think she's ok, but I really don't think she should have even beaten Kuma. Kuma was the only person to have completely beaten all of the Strawhats, and that's no simple feat. I like that Roger is in this tournament. He isn't a character you would think of right away, but he's important to the story. He shaped the past of the One Piece world and what he achieved is the goal of all the pirates in the world. I like Roger more than Nami, even a little more than Kuma, so that's why I voted for the pirate king.
Remember, Roger never got capture. He turned himself in.
Vote for epicness!!!
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I wish he had kept it in his pants.
Why does almost every horric event in history somehow start with this sentance?
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Ace's recent status as border-line Canon Sue is enough reason for me to move against Roger, since he came from his nutsack.
That bothered me too. Not to mention the shark-jumpingly awful 20-month pregnancy.
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Can't vote for a guy who's just the big name behind the scenes without having seen him actually do anything.
Nami, baby
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@robby: I figured you were kidding, but I love debating and you were raising points that some people do actually believe, so I took the opportunity to try and refute them. I thought it was fun. ;)
About 90% kidding, 10% legitimate gripe.
I do like the fact that, yes, Nami loves her treaure and will mess with her crewmates about it, the people she figures she'll be spending years/the rest of her life with, but whenever its actually important, she doesn't hesitate for a second. Forgiving Usopp for losing the new boat money, giving a huge chunk of Treasure to Lola her new BFF, or willing to spend evrythign they had to buy Caimie out of slavery, showing her actual moral center, those are great little moments that pay off against the long running money grubber gag.
Similarly, for all the akwardness of Sanji's current crossdressing experiance, I'm sure that will actually pay off when it comes to his attitudes towards women, and it will be interesting to see how he may have changed the next time he sees Nami and Robin. Cause the little recurring character gags are fun and amusing, but they HAVE been on some of the cast members going on for 10 years, so its interesting to see a slow and subtle change in these sorts of things.
Personally, more than the money issue, I love the fact that she forgave Hachi so easily. The rest of the crew was indecisive and said "Hey, its that one guy we were against that time that terrorized your childhood. Should we just leave him in trouble?" and then Nami, the one with the most history, the most reason to not forgive the fishmen, thought about it for a moment, and then went "Hachi's okay. Lets help him out."
I'm really curious to see how she interacts on fishman island, and to Jimbei and the like. She seems to understand that Arlong… was just Arlong, and not represenatie of all fishmen. Because it would be really sad that if after Arlong developed that attitude due to slavery issues, Nami perpetuated it. But she seems to have gotten past that, which is nice.
Tch, the bashers might as well bring up how she apparently sucks at math, as 300% interest on one-hundred thousand berries does not come out to three-hundred thousand. I remember Viz actually put a little footnote that basically said they knew that was wrong and that it wasn't a mistake on their part.
Or maybe Nami is good at math, but she assumes ZORO isn't?
@Taz:
I've seen you use the same arguments against Nami in the past and I think you voted against her in both the Carue and Kuma matches.
I think I might have voted X-Drake instead of her too actually. It's pretty much been an underdog thing, I throw pity/underappreciated votes to the obvious loser if I like them even a bit, which in most cases, is NOT the strawhat or a Supernova when they were up. Hell, I even voted Lola instead of Usopp even though he's my favorite character in the series, sheerly cause Lola was losing by like 300. Of course, in THIS case, Roger is actually winning by a smudge, so that may have been a premature assumption on my part. If he wins by 1 vote it'll have been my fault. If he wins by 5, then no harm done. Guess we'll see!
But yes, sarcasm is hard to get over the internet sometimes, so, no harm done.
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I'm amazed a guy who hasn't really done anything much is beating a StrawHat and even more Nami.. WHERE ARE YOU FANBOYS?
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Because the comparison merits repeating:
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Take-charge attitude
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Controls the money, finances and business dealings
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Keeps the idiots in line with violence
Nami is the One Piece equivalent of MOE HOWARD.
Yes, THAT guy. Cool!
A vote for Nami is a vote for the leader of this amazing trifecta.
The comedy must live on! Vote Nami!
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Reposting again.
In the world of OP, Nami's a true underdog. This is a world that seems to function primarily on physical strength, and since Oda's women are notoriously physically weaker than the male characters, Nami's got to be smarter and emotionally tougher to achieve the same goals. She harnesses lightning, illusions, and potentially other meteorlogical phenomena not through use of a devil fruit, but through her brain.
Besides, when was the last time anyone ever encountered a 100% accurate weather person?
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This is getting good…
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send nami to the gallows
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If Nami had some upskirts and a few scenes with Sanji groping her this would'nt be fair.
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we still have time
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSS! VOTE
GOL.D. ROGER THE MUDDA FUQQQIN PIRATE KING!!
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@robbybevard:
Similarly, for all the akwardness of Sanji's current crossdressing experiance, I'm sure that will actually pay off when it comes to his attitudes towards women, and it will be interesting to see how he may have changed the next time he sees Nami and Robin. Cause the little recurring character gags are fun and amusing, but they HAVE been on some of the cast members going on for 10 years, so its interesting to see a slow and subtle change in these sorts of things.
I'm hoping this is the case, too. I've been a little uncomfortable about that particular scenario just because I'm not sure how Oda's going to play it. Normally, I'd trust him, especially given the recent stuff with Bon Clay and Ikanova, but then the hit the girls have taken in terms of usefulness and the sharp increase in their vulnerability still make me pause. Femininity is not being treated terrifically well right now.
I'm really curious to see how she interacts on fishman island, and to Jimbei and the like. She seems to understand that Arlong… was just Arlong, and not represenatie of all fishmen. Because it would be really sad that if after Arlong developed that attitude due to slavery issues, Nami perpetuated it. But she seems to have gotten past that, which is nice.
I agree on this. I'm really anxious to move on to this storyline and see how Oda addresses it. I'm way more excited about character growth for the crew than I am about the shift in world power thing that's going on right now.
Or maybe Nami is good at math, but she assumes ZORO isn't?
Sort of backs up the teasing argument if you look at it like that.
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I am going to make multiple accounts and make Nami win.
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Roger took Magellan out.
DO NOT LET HIM WIN.
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I am going to make multiple accounts and tie it up for Nami.
That is just plain foolish….
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wait a minute. i voted for nami..does that mean i'm a lesbian? I'm all confused now T_T
^I need to sig this (and, the previous quote.) XD
She's more like, a pain in the ass heroine kind of gal.
And yet, Oda married a cosplayer of that pain in the ass heroine.
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Oh mah god it's so close! Go Nami!!!
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There really would be no competition for Nami if more people knew what Acid Head was.
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@The:
And yet, Oda married a cosplayer of that pain in the ass heroine.
I dont see how that has ANYTHING to do with anything.
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wow this is sooo cool!
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There really would be no competition for Nami if more people knew what Acid Head was.
I know what Acid-Head is and I fail to see how mediocre porn would be an asset to her.
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I know what Acid-Head is and I fail to see how mediocre porn would be an asset to her.
It is bad porn… and yet it is always top hits on hentai sites. Sadly enough most of the good artists do Naruto hentai. If Nekomataya did a One Piece doujin I would die a happy man.
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No! Crap crap crap there's only a one vote difference.
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@Yonkou#3:
I dont see how that has ANYTHING to do with anything.
It does if you think of it as a positive campaign for Nami.
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Hrm. If I hadn't thrown my one "pity" vote to Roger earlier today, this would be tied right now. Or in Nami's favor. If I'd known ths was gonna be so close… Funny how that works.
Guess I can't just vote willy nilly at this point in the contest.
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actually this is getting intense and excited
I wonder who will win?and we still have more than 4 hours left… woot!
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Let the countdown begin. Four hours left.
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If only I could vote for the King :sad:
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this is so much exciting than the zoro vs hancock match =.=
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How many votes do these things usually top out at? Hopefully nobody else votes.
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Wow this is a close one!
Nami it is for me! Come on you can do it, girl!
Even though I have to admit that the godawful amount of fanservice with her turned me off quite a lot (oh the irony)…
And that she can be a bitch sometimes...
But still she has a heart of gold and you can count on her when things get serious! She's the emotional center of the straw hats for me.
I still remember that one scene where she stands crying in the mids of a Aqua Laguna because of Robin. I thought that was an awesome scene.She's a good girl (and the last one in the tournament, that is...You know, Sanji doesn't count )
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Take that. Widening the gap.
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there are at least 50 more votes left judging from the numbers of vootes from zoro vs mr2 match
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Don't be turned off by Nami cause of fanservice. People only point that out cause she's a girl. Every Strawhat, and practically every character is designed to provide fanservice in their own way. Otherwise, Zoro wouldn't have the perfectly chiseled abs he has.
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One of the rare times I do this quote-by-quote thing…
@Taz:
Careful there.. you're starting to sound like those people who brushed off Franky as a worthless character because he didn't single-handedly take down a pacifista.
Franky hasn't been getting near-raped and standing in the background when not being near-raped, though.
Well all Oda's girls kind of look the same. I'll throw in Zoro there as another plain design. Luffy and Sanji too.
Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro have several unique design characteristics. Singling out Zoro, aside from his hair, he's got the three earrings on one ear, haramaki, three swords he carries around, sharp eyebrows, lack of big "good guy" eyes, head/armband, chest wound from Mihawk, etc. Nami has the vanilla OP chick appearance; face and all (at least Robin got different eyes and a unique nose, for criminy's sake). Only other thing she has is her tattoo, and again, sleeves take that away.
And Nami is, if anything, the best developed character of the Straw Hats. Who else has changed like she has? Since her official 'joining' she went from being the coy thief who stayed out of battles and would be willing to abandon ship when her life was in jeapordy, to one of the regular fighters and the emotional center of the crew with unflinching loyalty and trust in them.
She didn't change at all, and that was the problem! Right after the Arlong arc, she was the same exact character with only two differences; we knew she wouldn't leave the crew like that and now she had no reason to be a money-grubbing gold digger. She swapped one negative trait for another.
And she didn't stay out of battles. She participated in the Black Cat pirate fight.
As for Hatchie, I'm willing to believe he was genuinely nice to her.
Go watch ehr flashback again. Hachi's right there with Arlong, snickering over Belle-Mere's death and carrying the kids away.
He was helpful to Zoro after all. Hell Luffy is on semi-good terms with Crocodile right now - a guy that tried to kill him and his friends on multiple occasions.
Luffy didn't even want to work with Crocodile. That was Ivankov's doing.
For Zoro being blackmailed, that was the one time her greed had any serious impact. And it was used as a plot device to get the Straw Hats involved with Baroque Works.
A plot device still has bearing on the character involved. It still made Nami a bitch.
Thank GOD Nami's there to bring sanity to the ship. For those of us who aren't that amused by Luffy/Usopp/Chopper/etc. running around shoving chopsticks up their nose or seeing Zoro/Sanji fight #432502395 and destroying the ship in the process, it is very VERY welcome.
So how is Nami screeching at the top of her lungs any better than that other crap?!
The weather stuff is an asset as a navigator, and factors in heavily to how she is able to use such a unique weapon. I don't really understand why this is a bad thing.
It's not a bad thing, it's just all she is now. A pair of tits with dialogue, and some of that dialogue is weather forecasting. While the rest of the Straw Hats have been developing and fleshing out their personalities, Nami ha sstood in the background and played Ms. Fanservice. And it ain't hard to notice. Again; in the very same story arc where Zoro did quite possibly the manliest thing any Straw Hat has done sans defeating a saga boss, Nami got naked, got molested, and slept through the rest of it. Literally every other Straw Hat has had a chance to do something worthwhile within the last few arcs. Be it a major character moment, memorable jokes, or even minor character moments. Nami ain't done shit but wave off her grudge toward Hachi.
To use yet another analogy, for all you RPG players out there, Nami's like that one character you don't like, and thus never use, so they fall way behind all the other characters. While everyone else is level 70 or so, said character is still level 20. Nami's the level 20.
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The pirate king takes the cake for me I don't hate Nami at all but I don't see how she can win this at all so that's that for her and I want to see a Roger Vs WB :P
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Wow they're so close. My support goes to Nami. :)
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Reposting again.
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There's an annoying double standard for Nami. Everytime she's a dick to her friends, it's not only an unforgivable act, but she's a bitch. Yet it's fine when the rest of the Strawhat's pick on each other. But not Nami. What?
She's not my favorite Strawhat….no character....but this is annoyingly unfair. Fake blackmailing someone is just as extreme as anything the rest of the crew has done to each other. Sanji's constant kicking of the male crewmates is a good example.
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OMG awesome I didn't think Roger would be even close to Nami's votes but he's just a few ahead . wow… that's awesome!
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People like to post pages of Nami then. Let's look at what Nami has become.
And look! She's willing to fight just like the rest of 'em!
…Sort of...
There's an annoying double standard for Nami. Everytime she's a dick to her friends, it's not only an unforgivable act, but she's a bitch. Yet it's fine when the rest of the Strawhat's pick on each other. But not Nami. What?
She's not my favorite Strawhat….no character....but this is annoyingly unfair. Fake blackmailing someone is just as extreme as anything the rest of the crew has done to each other. Sanji's constant kicking of the male crewmates is a good example.
It's not that she does it. It's how often she does it. And sometimes, her reasoning (again, Zoro and his swords).