Cancels seems like the wrong word. Postponed till idiots are caught and server changes are made seems to cover it more.
Funimation Cancels One Piece Simulcast
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To be fair, the whole reason they did simulcasts in the first place is to put and end to fansubbing for good. And you can't do that if an aspect of your subs is inferior to what fansubbers provide.
The only way to completely kill subs is to have equal to or better speed, translations, and quality. If any of those is lacking, fansubs are going to continue.
It doesn't matter if downloaders deserve simulcast, professionally translated, high definition subs or not. It's what they're going to take reguardless. If you can't provide it, then there are people on the internet who will continue to use fansubs.
As long as Funimation continues to stream their subs in low definition, fansubs of One Piece are going to continue, somehow.
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@Skull:
One step beyond that as far as what? What to you is so special about it? It relies on the viewer thinking Haruhi's character is clever and funny and is completely full of itself. It doesn't have any deep character development, any great story to tell, any style or ideas that go beyond the norm. It's pretty much just standard high school comedy fare with an annoying cult following. I suppose your going to tell me crap like Lucky Star is some kind of great work and me not recognizing it makes me "shallow" or whatever next?
I get the feeling you haven't seen more than maybe two episodes of Haruhi.
! Most standard high school comedy fare I know of doesn't feature God as a main character.
Seriously, though. You should probably give Haruhi another shot. At least so you can judge it accurately based on its actual premise.
As far as the actual situation goes, it sucks that this happened, but FUNi seriously kinda brought this on themselves. Not only did people know about the early uploads, but apparently FUNi knew that people knew. I see it as them panicking and trying to save face more than anything else. So long as Toei stops throwing its tantrum soon, I figure simulcasting will return before long.
Besides, this is depriving me of my FMA. And that's lame.
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When it comes to "good" ones there's hardly any difference, because it's not deep dialogue.
One Piece has plenty of deep dialogue, and so do many other shows that you would probably write off.
And as far as untranslated parts go, that's because of the fans, not because of the translator.
I mean times where the characters say something and there are no subtitles for it at all.
Maybe you should watch the rest of the anime or read the novels. Since you're so gun-ho about quality translations, the latter would probably be a good option. Some of the best translators in international Japanese media circles contributed to it.
I've seen more than enough episodes of Haruhi to know that I have absolutely no interest in the series. If you want to explain to me why you enjoy this generic, unfunny drivel so much and consider it in such high regard though, be my guest.
Oh, so you found a "redeeming aspect" in the anime after all!
Nope. Not a single one. I merely said I saw enough of the show to reach an accurate conclusion about it in regards to how much I like it, which is not at all. Hence I didn't "overlook" it.
A good place to start would be to read the monologues instead of looking at Mikuru's breasts or Haruhi's legs.
No, seriously.
The second series will flesh out the story a lot more than the first. Luckily, it just started, so I hope you have a year to follow the developments.
Dude, I told you I don't care. I don't find any characters in that show attractive or like any aspect of it.
Because glorified cockfighting is such serious business, right?
If you are referring to shonen in general, then it has more to offer than Haruhi, yes. If you where talking about an actually sophisticated or deep anime like Monster or Ghost In The Shell or whatever you could make this statement, but your not.
It's entertaining. That's all that matters.
And I find the original shows much more entertaining.
Too many people these days are so superficial over things being AUTHENTICALLY JAPANESE they forget anime is an imitation of American comic book style anyway.
What the heck does this have to do with anything? It's about preserving the original vision and intent of what the series was supposed to be. It would be the same with any kind of foreign film or show from any country. Or maybe you just don't understand the aspects and feel of animes that are completely removed in most dubs? No wonder you like Haruhi.
Because you watch dubs to get the original "feel and intended content" right.
That should be the intended goal and purpose of dubs, yes.
hmmm
Japan
Card games
Over-the-top dialogue
Dragons
Drama and tension
Plot twists
Guns, beer, and cigarettes
☐ Shadow RealmAmerica
Card games
Over-the-top dialogue
Dragons
Drama and tension
Plot twists
☐ Guns, beer, and cigarettes
Shadow RealmI don't see much of a difference.
Then why do you even go to these forums if you don't like or understand the appeal of One Piece?
No, it's to make a show as marketable as possible.
The purpose with any other kind of dub is to keep it as close to the original as possible. Anime should be no different.
The fact that FUNimation is subscribing so hard to OP purists is a clear sign they don't feel the series is as marketable as everyone says it is.
Here's a little secret.
! Catering to otaku is what Japanese companies do when they're in financial straights. No surprise it was GONZO who affiliated itself with FUNimation and CrunchyRoll, neh?
If catering to hardcore anime fans was Funi's intention, they're sure doing a piss poor job of it. And their behavior isn't much different than other companies like Viz.
They made more money than FUNimation ever did.
I guess that makes them a bigger success.
Probably just because of the Pokemon craze. I doubt they made much off of One Piece.
No, it's aimed for Japanese five year olds.
Trolling? Alright, fine. Haruhi is aimed at retarded otaku and girls.
You should really talk to omae no kaasan about this, because while he'd agree DBZ was fairly big in the 90's, it was not the hottest show ever and fads in the 80's pretty much eclipsed anything anime has done in the 90's except Pokemon.
It was one of the most popular shows in both Japan and America, yes. It probably got higher ratings than the Pokemon anime in either country as well.
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@Skull:
Haruhi is aimed at retarded otaku and girls.
This is
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To be fair, the whole reason they did simulcasts in the first place is to put and end to fansubbing for good. And you can't do that if an aspect of your subs is inferior to what fansubbers provide.
The only way to completely kill subs is to have equal to or better speed, translations, and quality. If any of those is lacking, fansubs are going to continue.
It doesn't matter if downloaders deserve simulcast, professionally translated, high definition subs or not. It's what they're going to take reguardless. If you can't provide it, then there are people on the internet who will continue to use fansubs.
As long as Funimation continues to stream their subs in low definition, fansubs of One Piece are going to continue, somehow.
I think the notion of stopping any one series from getting fansubbed through whatever means is naive. As long as there are people willing to make a fansub along with people willing to download them you can't stop them entirely.
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I would have to agree with Skull Kid.
One Piece does have a very unique depth to their quality, and they have brilliant back stories to their main protagonists.Zoro's reasons behind perusing being the best swordsmen in the world.
Sanji's story of rescue at survival.
Nami being set free by Luffy.
Ussop - A little lackluster I will admit but he has grown as a character.
Chopper very nicely paced.
Robin made an emotional setting even more so and contributed to one of the best anime scenes I have seen involving by all rights a mere object/tool which lends my point it's backstory is one you experience through the show to that point.
Franky - His story overcomes the idiocy of his appearence.
Brook - Fantastic way of linking him to the voyage that began at the start of the Grand Line.However what I feel lets the show down is poor dubbing/subtitling quality.
Let me expand on this - When something is dubbed by simply to dub the anime it shows in the voice good dubbing vs bad dubbing is very evident.
When you have heard orriginal voices you put a very high standard upon people matching both the voice and the inflections.
This is shown around the world when American movies are translated into other languages they do try to match up the voices as much as possible. (Eddie Murphy's french conterpart even does Eddie's laugh well timed mostly)
Now when it comes to subtitling people have different sides of the fence they like to stand on. But what seems odd to me in the Funimation ones is they seem to like literal translation on one side and the use of words that match but do not fit the theme or events happening.
They do this over what would make the show seem less …. stupid for want of a better word.Using Gum Gum? Are you serious it's not even something a person would say ever. Yes Gum is an accurate word but from what I have read Rubber in Japanese is Gomu.
But why write down Gum Gum Gatterling or for gods sake even say it in english. A far better option would be to use the litteral translation then and just use the word Rubber.I have a feeling if One Piece or even any Japanese animation was treated with a minuscule amount of respect by licenced translators and dubbers it would reach a more wider audience.
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I would have to agree with Skull Kid.
Ussop - A little lackluster I will admit but he has grown as a character.
I found Usopp's flashback impressively tragic. The ways he developed lying as a self-defense mechanism.
But that's off topic.
DarthEnder, an issue with quality could be an issue with accessibility and bandwidth.
In an ideal world, streaming video is accessible for most consumer-grade connections. In the US, that means 1.5Mbps (cheap DSL and T-1). You don't want to say to people "Sorry, requires 5Mbps or higher".
Beyond that, the lower bandwidth you can go, the better the performance, as pre-buffering will be possible.
A full high-definition (ATSC) stream is specced in the range of 19Mbps, although some is lost to overhead, but rates over 10Mbps are common. Now, switching codecs can improve matters (ATSC uses MPEG-2, which is a bit dated now), but eventually, you run into quality vs. bandwidth tradeoffs.
This is much less a concern with a downloadable– you set it up to retrieve the file overnight and watch it in the morning. But if you're streaming, and the user presses 'play' and it stutters 10 seconds for every 5 seconds of video, it's a turn-off. I recall spending like 90 minutes to watch 391, and about 40 for 392.
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To be fair, the whole reason they did simulcasts in the first place is to put and end to fansubbing for good. And you can't do that if an aspect of your subs is inferior to what fansubbers provide.
The only way to completely kill subs is to have equal to or better speed, translations, and quality. If any of those is lacking, fansubs are going to continue.
It doesn't matter if downloaders deserve simulcast, professionally translated, high definition subs or not. It's what they're going to take reguardless. If you can't provide it, then there are people on the internet who will continue to use fansubs.
As long as Funimation continues to stream their subs in low definition, fansubs of One Piece are going to continue, somehow.
You can't always get what you want, that's a fact. Even if FUNimation and Crunchyroll eventually get to the point where they can provide everything that fansubbers can and more (which I know they can), it takes time. I personally feel the progress that companies like TV Tokyo and Gonzo have made in the last several months is pretty fast, I mean they should've started a couple of years ago, but they're making really progress. It's unrealistic to think that they can completely destroy the need for fansubs, and even if they get everything right fansubbing won't die, we already know how unethical some subbing groups can be. You can always say, "Well fansubbers can do it, why can't the companies?" Well I'm pretty sure none of us here knows about all the politics that go on within the anime industry, so everyone just be level-headed for crying out loud.
And to the people sarcastically saying that taking down the episodes was a dumb move if the whole point was to provide legal alternatives to fansubs, shut up. The way this episode was easily leaked BEFORE it was supposed to go up means that the legal alternative is actually adding more fuel to the piracy, not taking away. Yes plenty of people would have still went to see the simulcast if it went according to plan, however they're not taking this situation lightly. Hulu and Joost taking the episodes off may have been going too far since they don't seem to have any security issues, however that could just have to do with breaking a clause in a contract or something.
Also I wanted to point out that last Friday when I was thinking about how I was looking forward to the simlucast I had this gut feeling that along with it ANN was going to report some other interesting development that would probably involve "One Piece". I thought maybe they'd announce a new T.V. deal, but I thought, "Nah, that's too hopeful, but I bet right around the time the simulcast starts I'm gonna hear some more interesting "ONe PIece" news, probably something unexpected that'll fire plenty of discussion." Wow.
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You can't always get what you want, that's a fact. Even if FUNimation and Crunchyroll eventually get to the point where they can provide everything that fansubbers can and more (which I know they can), it takes time.
Which is why Toei gave them the episode ahead of time.
Now if they had just subbed the thing, and then didn't upload it until showtime, they'd have been fine.@Green_vs_Red:
I think the notion of stopping any one series from getting fansubbed through whatever means is naive. As long as there are people willing to make a fansub along with people willing to download them you can't stop them entirely.
Who the hell is going to bother waiting a day for a fansubber when you could get it in an hour, with a professional translation, in HD quality?
And then who's going to bother subbing it when they can just take the one off the company's website(after it's SUPPOSED to be out) and torrent the thing?
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Now if they had just subbed the thing, and then didn't upload it until showtime, they'd have been fine.Who the hell is going to bother waiting a day for a fansubber when you could get it in an hour, with a professional translation, in HD quality?
HD quality? Really? That's sick.
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@Skull:
One Piece has plenty of deep dialogue
Zkaiser, I've found a new quote for my signature!
@Skull:
and so do many other shows that you would probably write off.
There's nothing deep about "ore ga kaizoku-ou ii naru otoko da".
@Skull:
I mean times where the characters say something and there are no subtitles for it at all.
What.
@Skull:
I've seen more than enough episodes of Haruhi to know that I have absolutely no interest in the series.
So you admit you know absolutely nothing about it, and are complaining just to show off how ignorant you're being?
@Skull:
If you want to explain to me why you enjoy this generic, unfunny drivel so much and consider it in such high regard though, be my guest.
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. This is an aggressive anime. You probably won't like it. It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to appreciate an anime of this quality and depth. We would suggest you stick to safer and more familiar territory - maybe something with a multi-million dollar franchise aimed and convincing you it's made in a little Japanese studio, or one that implies their carelessly malformed artwork will give you more sex appeal. Perhaps you think multi-million dollar franchises make an anime more enjoyable. Perhaps you're mouthing your words as you read this.
@Skull:
Dude, I told you I don't care. I don't find any characters in that show attractive or like any aspect of it.
"I don't like it, therefore it sucks".
@Skull:
If you where talking about an actually sophisticated or deep anime like Monster or Ghost In The Shell or whatever you could make this statement, but your not.
Ghost in the Shell is not sophisticated. Name dropping Monster just shows you're a parrot, not a critic.
@Skull:
And I find the original shows much more entertaining.
Which sorts you into the angry nerd category I mentioned earlier.
@Skull:
It's about preserving the original vision and intent of what the series was supposed to be.
what part of "YOU ARE WAPANESE" has not sunk in yet
@Skull:
It would be the same with any kind of foreign film or show from any country.
Nobody except excessive hobbyists gives a rat's tail about "preserving the original version".
Japan dubs, censors, changes, cuts and tears apart American shows right and left and the people there love it.
@Skull:
Or maybe you just don't understand the aspects and feel of animes that are completely removed in most dubs?
I don't watch dubs.
@Skull:
That should be the intended goal and purpose of dubs, yes.
Translation is never 100% faithful. And unless you speak Japanese and English fluently, you are in no position to criticize any translation at all.
@Skull:
Then why do you even go to these forums if you don't like or understand the appeal of One Piece?
Gasp.
People don't like the OP anime?
Surprise! You're on a manga forum. If you want to talk about the anime, Kaizoku Fansubs is that way →
@Skull:
If catering to hardcore anime fans was Funi's intention, they're sure doing a piss poor job of it.
It's more like hardcore fans can never be pleased.
@Skull:
And their behavior isn't much different than other companies like Viz.
VIZ Media is far more patronizing than FUNimation could ever hope to be.
@Skull:
Haruhi is aimed at retarded otaku and girls.
So is college.
@Skull:
It was one of the most popular shows in both Japan and America, yes.
Among the most popular != most popular show.
This is especially true when there were only five to seven anime total on television at the time, and all of them were fairly popular.
@Skull:
It probably got higher ratings than the Pokemon anime in either country as well.
DBZ wasn't even dubbed in countries Pokemon appeared in. Heck, for many countries Pokemon was the first anime to ever air there because it came on the heels of the games.
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HD quality? Really? That's sick.
No, they DON'T do HQ, which is why Funi subs WON'T completely kill off One Piece fansubs.
But if they did have all 3, the simulcast, the HD quality, the professional translation, One Piece fansubs would simply cease to exist.
People who still want to DL it for purposes of archiving it would simply DL the torrent that someone like Horriblesubs would post afterwards. But it would still be Funi's dub.
As it is now, assuming they ever get it working, a group will probably just take Funi's translations, slap it on an HD raw, and then rerelease it.
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Terek, your argument would have a lot more validity if you didn't call Haruhi "deep". It's pretentious, yes, and it makes people who are used to generic otaku fare think they're watching something with a fair amount of substance but really, it's just a flashy version of stuff we've already seen before with better animation and a few predictable tricks up its sleeve. Yes, it can be clever, but never nearly as much as it likes to think it is.
Most standard high school comedy fare I know of doesn't feature God as a main character.
OH NO IT HAS A GIMMICK TOO!
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No, they DON'T do HQ, which is why Funi subs WON'T completely kill off One Piece fansubs.
But if they did have all 3, the simulcast, the HD quality, the professional translation, One Piece fansubs would simply cease to exist.
People who still want to DL it for purposes of archiving it would simply DL the torrent that someone like Horriblesubs would post afterwards. But it would still be Funi's dub.
As it is now, assuming they ever get it working, a group will probably just take Funi's translations, slap it on an HD raw, and then rerelease it.
Not really.
This is how it would go down:1: FUNis version goes online
2: Fans Download it
3: Several "WHY THEY TRANSLATE NAKAMA!?!?!" Posts are made
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But if they did have all 3, the simulcast, the HD quality, the professional translation, One Piece fansubs would simply cease to exist.
This presumes people actually want the stream.
My group basically rips off CrunchyRoll's subs, edits them so they're acually legible, then re-time the scripts onto higher quality raws for downloads.
People hate CR, but the translation is decent enough with proofing to pass for an acceptable fansub.
There are a lot of negatives to streams - a heavy reliance on internet connection, no sense of "ownership", limited quality, no customization, etc.
Unless FUNimation basically makes free, subbed downloads in HD I don't think they'll ever displace fansubs, and even then they won't get more than 60% of the market IMV.
40% who want FUNimation.
20% who go for the latest episode, fastest.People who still want to DL it for purposes of archiving it would simply DL the torrent that someone like Horriblesubs would post afterwards. But it would still be Funi's dub.
If I knew how FUNimation was planning on making money off of this idea, I'd call that the primary problem with streams. It's no problem to bypass any commercial deals by simply having HorribleSubs rip the script and paste it onto a better RAW.
Terek, your argument would have a lot more validity if you didn't call Haruhi "deep". It's pretentious, yes, and it makes people who are used to generic otaku fare think they're watching something with a fair amount of substance but really, it's just a flashy version of stuff we've already seen before with better animation and a few predictable tricks up its sleeve. Yes, it can be clever, but never nearly as much as it likes to think it is.
I'm impressed you read all of that. I know I don't have the patience for it. :V
But I don't think I ever called Haruhi deep. It has good characterization, and might I say better than OP with less formula, but it's not particularly clear form the anime's point of view just yet.
Remember, Haruhi's anime was based off of a light novel series and I've read all nine novels in sequence, so I have a good view of the entire story and how the stand-alone plot lines weave together.
The anime covers the two novels fully, with a couple stories taken from the other ones.
Based on that, my opinion is it's a great series. People have been saying this for years BEFORE the anime aired, but it's hard to gain credibility given the anime's popularity.
It's hard to gain credibility speaking in opposition to a majority in general.
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The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. This is an aggressive anime. You probably won't like it. It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to appreciate an anime of this quality and depth. We would suggest you stick to safer and more familiar territory…
You just made me shoot milk out of my nose.
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Jesus christ, does this happen to EVERY TIME someone responds to one of Malintex Terek's posts.
Anyway, other than this snag and the snag being a result of faulty infrastructure, "One Piece" was on the right track. It'd be unrealistic to expect any company to outdo fansubs right now, and the progress they're making is pretty damn good. Especially when we were gonna get professionally translated episodes almost at the same time as the Japanese airing completely. That's definitely better than "Naruto Shippuden".
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^Knew Naruto wouldn't be able to stay off the radar.
I assume that the individuals who'd wait a day for a fansub over Funi's simulcast even with the latter having all the bells and whistles would be people who can't view the simulcast cause they live in a different region or guys like Skull Kid .
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when you could get it in an hour, with a professional translation, in HD quality?
I have to disagree, 200 mb flv file with the subs having tons of scene bleeds. Wouldn't call that HD.
And then who's going to bother subbing it when they can just take the one off the company's website(after it's SUPPOSED to be out) and torrent the thing?
Fansubs don't die
@DarthEnder:No, they DON'T do HQ, which is why Funi subs WON'T completely kill off One Piece fansubs.
But if they did have all 3, the simulcast, the HD quality, the professional translation, One Piece fansubs would simply cease to exist.
People who still want to DL it for purposes of archiving it would simply DL the torrent that someone like Horriblesubs would post afterwards. But it would still be Funi's dub.
As it is now, assuming they ever get it working, a group will probably just take Funi's translations, slap it on an HD raw, and then rerelease it.
I don't see why you take it as a bad thing. Fansubs dying that is.
it's a sub btw.Not really.
This is how it would go down:1: FUNis version goes online
2: Fans Download it
3: Several "WHY THEY TRANSLATE NAKAMA!?!?!" Posts are made
4: Someone starts Fansubbing againI hate to agree with you but you're completely right
@firecrouch:That's definitely better than "Naruto Shippuden".
Amen
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I mentioned this before but it's safe to assume that if the official simulcasts were to start chugging along we'd start seeing European and Asian licensors doing "One Piece" simulcasts with Toei Animation and Fuji TV too. So the whole "it's not in my region" argument isn't that big of a deal.
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This presumes people actually want the stream.
I can only speak for the people I know. Everyone in my circle of friends watches Naruto/One Piece/Bleach every week, but I'm the only one that downloads them and burns them to discs. The rest of them just watch streams.
I don't see why you take it as a bad thing. Fansubs dying that is.
I don't. At least, not for a series in which the provider is doing everything right. But so far, Funi isn't doing everything right. Hence, I still had to DL a fansub this week.
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Everyone is so angry and sad . And all this fuss about an idiot who thought he could become famous , renowned and respectful for just one episode. He ruined all the fun
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Everyone is so angry and sad . And all this fuss about an idiot who thought he could become famous , renowned and respectful for just one episode. He ruined all the fun
Because anonymous uploads make you famous.
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Can you imagine if this was a JUMP break week?
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Somebody would rip it if it was possible. OP is a really popular anime, as long as there's a demand for it people will try. You guys don't need to keep blaming "some one guy" because if the one guy hadn't someone else would have. Most likely, several people hacked in.
They'll probably get the simulcast back eventually.
And I guess we'll see if the viewership went down at all once the ratings comes in for this week…
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Is it just me, or does it look like they keep changing the text on the official site under "Videos"? o_o
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Lol, it amuses me how some people take themselves so seriously.
I mean, seriously.
Oh-kay skull kid, we get you hate anything in the ways of english translation that's not made by fans. You thoroughly expressed your opinion in the announcement that FUNi was going to do this. Now go watch your burned DVDs now like a good little elitist.
The rest of you, why the hell are you feeding this guy? An opinion is an opinion. So, he's an elitist ass for fansubs and /certain/ animes. I say deal with him like you deal with elitist asses you aren't forced to play nice with: Walk away and ignore.
But then if you did that, this thread would spiral into death. XP I mean, just look at how many posts are Skull Kid vs. Some Other AP Member.
Or you could be arguing for the fun of arguing, in which case, go ahead. I understand. Just make sure you don't start taking things personally, cause really, it's not worth it. To either side.
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The rest of you, why the hell are you feeding this guy? An opinion is an opinion. So, he's an elitist ass for fansubs and /certain/ animes. I say deal with him like you deal with elitist asses you aren't forced to play nice with: Walk away and ignore.
People don't often do that around these parks much less any messageboards.
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OH NO IT HAS A GIMMICK TOO!
Call it what you want, but not all gimmicks are bad. Personally, I think it adds some pretty interesting content to the show.
Though Haruhi is not my favorite anime by any means. I watch it and enjoy it, but I have plenty of other stuff I like more. I just think it's a bit unfair to call it stereotypical. And sure it has an annoying fanbase. What show doesn't?
Anyway, hope this whole situation with FUNi and Toei irons over soon. And of course that FUNi learns a little something about leaving stuff lying around on the internet for anyone who cares to study their URL system a bit to find. It's so much easier to introduce people to series when they're readily available.
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Zkaiser, I've found a new quote for my signature!
One Piece dialog is deeper than anything Haruhi has to offer. If you want we could compare specific examples. Go ahead and post the best dialog from Haruhi.
There's nothing deep about "ore ga kaizoku-ou ii naru otoko da".
The hell?
What.
What part of what I said is hard for you to understand? Fansub groups sometimes leave entire segments or pieces of dialog unsubtitled. So a character will be saying something in Japanese and there will be no subs for it at all.
So you admit you know absolutely nothing about it, and are complaining just to show off how ignorant you're being?
I know enough about it, and I have seen enough episodes to know I don't like it. I could accuse you of the same thing with One Piece. You seem to understand absolutely nothing about it or what makes it great.
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. This is an aggressive anime. You probably won't like it. It is quite doubtful that you have the taste or sophistication to appreciate an anime of this quality and depth. We would suggest you stick to safer and more familiar territory - maybe something with a multi-million dollar franchise aimed and convincing you it's made in a little Japanese studio, or one that implies their carelessly malformed artwork will give you more sex appeal. Perhaps you think multi-million dollar franchises make an anime more enjoyable. Perhaps you're mouthing your words as you read this.
vomits
"I don't like it, therefore it sucks".
Again, I could accuse you of the same thing with Japanese Pokemon and whatever else you where bashing for pretty much no reason, or do defend the travesty that is 4Kids or whatever.
Ghost in the Shell is not sophisticated. Name dropping Monster just shows you're a parrot, not a critic.
I'd like to know what animes you consider sophisticated, besides Haruhi in which I see no sophistication at all.
Which sorts you into the angry nerd category I mentioned earlier.
what part of "YOU ARE WAPANESE" has not sunk in yet
Very petty and childish of you to throw meaningless insults at me simply because you dislike my taste in anime.
Nobody except excessive hobbyists gives a rat's tail about "preserving the original version".
Anybody with actual taste and a sense of what quality is does.
Japan dubs, censors, changes, cuts and tears apart American shows right and left and the people there love it.
Little kids maybe, but I'm sure there are tons of people in Japan who prefer the original versions, as that's the entire point. Not to watch some edited and messed with version that completely ignores the qualities and appeal of the original series.
I don't watch dubs.
Really? Then why the heck are you claiming dubbed Pokemon is better than the original if you haven't seen the dub? Have you ever actually seen the Japanese version of the show? An objective, side by side comparison shows that 4Kids fucked it up and did the same stuff to Pokemon that they did to One Piece as far as editing and changing the whole feel of the show. Not to the same extent, but the difference is still obvious.
Translation is never 100% faithful. And unless you speak Japanese and English fluently, you are in no position to criticize any translation at all.
If I know a translation is flawed or not as good as it could be, then I am in a pretty good posiiton to critize it.
Gasp.
People don't like the OP anime?
Surprise! You're on a manga forum. If you want to talk about the anime, Kaizoku Fansubs is that way →
Actually Arlong Park is a forum for both the anime and manga. And this topic just happens to be in the section dedicated to the anime.
It's more like hardcore fans can never be pleased.
Not really. I simply like the translation to be as close to the original as possible without needless name changes or other issues. That's not a lot to ask for at all.
VIZ Media is far more patronizing than FUNimation could ever hope to be.
And yet Viz actually knows how to make decent dubs and translations for their animes, unlike Funi (with the exception of unedited DBZ).
So is college.
What?
Among the most popular != most popular show.
This is especially true when there were only five to seven anime total on television at the time, and all of them were fairly popular.
Ok, but almost anyone from Japan or the US or any other country where it aired that was into anime at the time would vouch for it's huge popularity. The first Dragonball pretty much fundamentally changed or revolutionized shonen in Japan.
DBZ wasn't even dubbed in countries Pokemon appeared in. Heck, for many countries Pokemon was the first anime to ever air there because it came on the heels of the games.
But the majority of Pokemon's popularity didn't even come from the show. It came from the games and trading cards and the whole thing being a huge fad at the time. All of DBZ's popularity came from the anime.
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Lol, it amuses me how some people take themselves so seriously.
I mean, seriously.
Oh-kay skull kid, we get you hate anything in the ways of english translation that's not made by fans.
That's actually not true. I find the Trigun and Cowboy Bebop dubs to be superior to the originals, and several other dubs to be on par with the original versions. I simply don't like the One Piece Funi dub. I do prefer subbed anime by default though.
You thoroughly expressed your opinion in the announcement that FUNi was going to do this. Now go watch your burned DVDs now like a good little elitist.
Why all the hostility? If I bent down and kissed Funis feet and gave them some money, would that make you feel better? Would I be acceptable to you then? It's a shame you can't accept other views that differ from your own.
The rest of you, why the hell are you feeding this guy? An opinion is an opinion. So, he's an elitist ass for fansubs and /certain/ animes. I say deal with him like you deal with elitist asses you aren't forced to play nice with: Walk away and ignore.
Why can't you just chill and learn tolerance? Me not buying a couple of DVDs or watching an online stream (which is currently down, and I did load the page a few times), does not effect you at all, so you have no real reason to react the way you are. Do you worship Funi or something? Are they paying you to bash anyone who doesn't suck up to them?
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You should stop trying Skull Kid. You've made your point and some people won't change their opinion despite any logic because they have their core values in other places. Once you've said your piece and they've said theirs you don't need to say anything more.
Both will probably continue anyway, I'm not gonna get into it though.
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You should stop trying Skull Kid. You've made your point and some people won't change their opinion despite any logic because they have their core values in other places. Once you've said your piece and they've said theirs you don't need to say anything more.
Both will probably continue anyway, I'm not gonna get into it though.
Yeah I know it's not going to accomplish anything, but Terek's views in particular on the original version and quality of a show not mattering really irks me. I don't understand how anyone could seriously think like that.
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@Skull:
I don't understand how anyone could seriously think like that.
Not to jump on the bandwagon but People in glass houses etc etc
@Skull:
See? Screw these people at Funi. All they do is whine and bitch about copyright and play stupid games. The fansubbers should just ignore them and continue doing what they're doing.
@Skull:
All they're doing as far as the online scene is preventing people from enjoying and collecting One Piece at the highest possible quality. People have no obligation to support their stream, and I for one applaud whoever got 403 off their site and uploaded it. Hopefully people keep doing it so Funi finally decides to drop the whole thing (which is inferior to what we already have anyway) and leave the online community the hell alone. That's what I want from them.
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Skull Kid isn't banned?
What.
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An anime about fictional pirates was pirated by internet pirates. Ironic… (depsite cough this happening several times before.)
Honestly, I was hoping to see it yesterday until I heard all this crap... Either way the message is still not in the immediate future. Not canceled completely. Though they are pretty pissed off... Anyway we can help?
…What? This post makes less sense than interperitive dance.
What Blue Eyes was talking about was more or less the news media basicly forcefeeding our president on us during the election, avoiding scandals whenever possible, and making his opponent and his vice look like a complete and total ass. In short, the news media told you who to vote for and you did like good obedient sheep.
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What Blue Eyes was talking about was more or less the news media basicly forcefeeding our president on us during the election, avoiding scandals whenever possible, and making his opponent and his vice look like a complete and total ass. In short, the news media told you who to vote for and you did like good obedient sheep.
Shut up.
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Not to jump on the bandwagon but People in glass houses etc etc
Yeah, I get it. But to me there is a huge difference between not liking how a dub company is handling things and thinking that the original content and the creators intent and vision when it comes to anime or any kind of entertainment medium in general isn't important.
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@Skull:
Yeah, I get it. But to me there is a huge difference between not liking how a dub company is handling things and thinking that the original content and the creators intent and vision when it comes to anime or any kind of entertainment medium in general isn't important.
You're not supporting the original creators intent by downloading fansubs when a legal version is available.
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Shut up.
Yeah, nooooooot the place for that…
Because the FUNimation simulcast topic screams "rant about the news media"….
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I dont download at all when it comes to subs.
would never do that.
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@Dixxy:
You're not supporting the original creators intent by downloading fansubs when a legal version is available.
The original creator doesn't work at Funi last time I checked. And I meant intent as far as creative vision for how the original creator wanted the series to be.
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I dont download at all when it comes to subs.
would never do that.
I hope the videos come back one day.. for now..ill settle on watching DVDsYou don't watch fansubs?
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Call it what you want, but not all gimmicks are bad. Personally, I think it adds some pretty interesting content to the show.
Though Haruhi is not my favorite anime by any means. I watch it and enjoy it, but I have plenty of other stuff I like more. I just think it's a bit unfair to call it stereotypical. And sure it has an annoying fanbase.
Gimmicks are bad when they feel gimmicky, and Haruhi really feels like it's trying too hard. Gimmicks are fine when they're just there to catch the viewer's attention and don't overtake the show, but that happens so rarely One Piece that I can just consider gimmicks to be annoying as a whole.
What show doesn't?
Movies?
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damn internet pirate. if your reading this, we're all gonna come hunt you down and beat you. the anime industry is trying to do something positive, and you go and ruin it for everyone. good job
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@Skull:
The original creator doesn't work at Funi last time I checked. And I meant intent as far as creative vision for how the original creator wanted the series to be.
Okay Skull Kid. I'm not sure why I'm bothering with this but here it goes:
Funimation is doing a pretty good job. Just because the text isn't pretty and colorful and moving on the subs or it has a few less translation notes doesn't mean they're doing a bad job. Granted, mostly I'm watching the Funimation dub, which has been pretty darn fantastic (I can't remember something complain worthy off the top of my head) but what you are doing is trying to justify an illegal action.
Yes, there can be arguements made for fansubs being ethical (as being legal does not mean ethical and being ethical does not mean being legal). You can argue fansubs are ETHICAL when there is no legal alternative to obtaining something, and at a stretch, you could have argued One Piece fansubs when 4Kids had the series.
But right now you're argument is breaking what is supposed to be one of the rules of fansubbing: WHEN A LEGAL RELEASE IS AVAILABLE, SUPPORT THE OFFICIAL RELEASE. There's a reason AnimeSuki removes fansubs of series once a show is licensed. There's a reason groups like LunarAnime remove the torrents of shows that have a license announcement. Because that is how fansubs are supposed to work.
Do all fansubs group follow this ethic? Of course not. But you're arguing against a company that's done an awful lot to get fans what they want. They got us Zoro instead of Zolo. They gave us the DVDs starting with episode 1 (IIRC we were supposed to start with the Skypiea episodes). They're trying to give us a good release.
There is no legal backing for what happened - what happened was not legal. And there is no ethical backing for it because the ethical arguement for the fansubbers for One Piece starting with episode 403 is gone (or at least should be gone) because Funimation was giving us something that would nullify the ethical arguement.