Only Hyozou and Jinbei have done this.One guy we know nothing about and the other is Jinbei who showed he could move faster than G2 in burst in Id. How can anybody say Sanji is faster when Luffy has yet to use soru at all?
We know that he is apparently using ES and will still be weaker than Zoro. Doesn't sound good for G2. How can people say that? They think Sanji will be because he focuses on his legs and they will be as strong as Luffy is in G2, hence he can move just as fast or faster. Not that I agree but it's a common viewpoint nowadays. Which I guess should say something about how people perceive G2's power now.
Its not. Which is why the Pacifista didn't move very much.
That was three kicks and Zombies are weak to fire. Rare case where it actually did do extra non concussive damage.
Well then.
Would that really matter? He didn't aim to do damage (and didn't from what I recall), only redirect it upwards, and only physical force would do that.
How is that arbitrary? It couldn't support itself because Luffy's attack had so much force behind it. Like I said before Luffy's attack was clearly overkill. Sanji's attack simply got the job done. Sanji never sent one flying before. The first was already beaten up and was still standing. He only tripped up a running one from behind. Drake doing so means he is physically stronger than them. Oda had the Pacifista go down in such a dramatic way to focus on how much force it got hit by.
Drake is (a lot) physically stronger than post TS Sanji? Not even using his Zoan? Good luck making me believe that. No it seems incredibly clear to me that Sanji barely even moving the PX was completely arbitrary and not at all because he didn't use enough force.
You can't use your assumption of Luffy's current strength relative to Jinbe to judge G2's power. The tells you absolutely nothing about G2 strength except Jinbei can block it.
You don't get to pick what details matter and what do not. If he bothered to draw bruises then that means the blow did damage.
I don't and looked again and still see nothing in either chapter of their fight. Sure you're not confusing shading with bruises?
That multiple pr-ts Sanji kicks would do shit to Jinbe's guard? I don't see why its hard to imagine that doing nothing to a Warlord.
I just don't know about that. They're gone the next page, you'd think he'd bother to keep them if they were so significant. He did keep the bruises on Jimbei's face even like an hour (!!!) later as we see in this chapter so why not those on his hands?
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2642-14/one-piece/chapter-535.html Don't know what those are if not bruises. They keep being present through the rest of the chapter and you can see one up close at point and it sure looks like a bruise.
No, post TS kicks. Without DJ, just his physical strength. I was saying that if the relative gap between G2 and base Luffy is the same as before then Sanji would be utterly and completely ineffective, do nothing at all. Preskip you had Luffy's fully charged Rifle not even putting a scratch on Lucci's Tekkai guard, in G2 he breaks it easily with every hit and Sanji's best kick combos should be roughly even with something like a Rifle in base, pre TS. If that gap remains then Luffy's advantage should by all rights be massive and Sanji kicking Jimbei shouldn't even count for a fly landing on him, but I just can't imagine that with all the "these legs strengthened in hell for two years!!" stuff.
I just think its toon force durability like Buggy coming out of the war without a scratch despite taking a direct hit from his bomb.
I'll agree with that conclusion unless it turns out Decken is stronger than we think.
It blew up immediately after the punch so how was it not one-shotted?
Sanji did not. Drake and Urouge doing it means they are very strong.
You sound like a certain someone who likes to cherry pick what details matter and what do not. That scene was not drawn arbitrarily just like making Oars fly wasn't arbitrary, Coup de Vent making a PX fly wasn't, punching Fukurou through walls wasn't, or Aokiji being launched by Marco.
That is wrong. Luffy did more than enough damage to one-shot it. Sanji applied just enough.
I was talking about a hypothetical G2, no Haki situation in response to yours. I think without Haki but with G2 it would still get slammed to the ground but wouldn't be one shotted.
Well they still aren't physically stronger than post TS Sanji so in the end it can still only be arbitrary on Oda's part.
No, it was certainly drawn for effect. I don't disagree with that. It's the Sanji part that I see as arbitrary, not the Luffy part. I can see from looking at its face in the clear panels given to us that Luffy's attack did about the same physical damage as Sanji's, that matters more than whether it was slammed to the ground or not.
How do we know? The "theme" of that scene seemed to be that they all one-shotted it easily. Breaking its neck sounds just as grievous a wound as pushing its face in to me. I'd like to believe that Luffy did a lot more damage, by all rights he should have, but it doesn't look like it in the least.