I don't think Iva's powers are hormone based, I think that they probably go beyond that.
Even though he used his fist to inject hormones into someone? I don't think so Tim.
I don't think Iva's powers are hormone based, I think that they probably go beyond that.
Even though he used his fist to inject hormones into someone? I don't think so Tim.
So, Ivan is an Emperor like Shanks and Whitebeard or did I get it wrong?
EDIT: For all of you that would like so much to see Luffy as a girl, this is how he would look like:
now that really disturbed me, i hope it doesn't happen for real.
So, Ivan is an Emperor like Shanks and Whitebeard or did I get it wrong?
In order for me to comment on this I must find out how you came to this conclusion. Please, show me where you read that.
So, Ivan is an Emperor like Shanks and Whitebeard or did I get it wrong?
You got it wrong.
His name is Emporio Ivankov. He/She's the (former) king/queen of the island of okamas (like Hancock is for the Amazones), but he/she is not one of the 4 emperors (even though the sillouettes looked a bit alike).
/edit: funny nobody quoted this yet. It fits so great into this thread:
"UH UH, NIGGAS BE TURNIN' INTO GIRAFFES AND SHIT, HOW YOU GONNA SAY LUFFY CANT BE A WOMAN."
Let's hope Ivankov gets his hands on Zoro.
I wonder why Emporio Ivankov is in Impel Down… what did he do to get thrown in there...
Emporio is noted under his name,
I am not so well in english^^
Even though he used his fist to inject hormones into someone? I don't think so Tim.
Hehe. Good ol' Home Improvement.
Even though he used his fist to inject hormones into someone? I don't think so Tim.
You guys need to realize that " Empirio - Female hormones" is just an attack name - it doesn't mean that's what was actually done. For instance, Luffy doesn't use actual guns or bullets, but he constantly uses them in his attack names.
While that is possible, it's also possible that like Franky's attack names, it reflects what it actually is (i.e. Weapons Left, Strong Right, etc.).
I was just wondering…does anyone think Mr. 2 will join Luffy's crew after this? He could join due to a dream of spreading the okama way around the world or something like that...more importantly, would anyone want mr. 2 as a nakama?
It would be interesting ! Without Mr 2, Luffy would surely have died due to Magellan's poison, it would be more in the nature of things than the arrival of Brook into Luffy's crew.
But now the crew is dispersed, they are not going to meet after a long time I think, so the question of Bon Clay joining Luffy's crew doesn't matter right now
Okay people, I wasn't going to dive into the gay vs straight flamefest but I want to read some discussion on the actual chapter instead of having 9 out of 10 posts either raging over how shit they believe this chapter was, or how shit they believe the people that raged over how shit they believed this chapter was.
Remember how One Piece is from Japan? Yeah, that's right. And Oda's writing for Japanese market, not the US or anywhere-else market. In Japan, homosexuality isn't viewed the same way as it is in the "civilized," Westen world. In Japan, homosexuality has for a long time been viewed as a good thing, and man-to-man relationships as "the purest form of love." It's never been viewed as a sin in Japanese religion or society. Though, unfortunately, that's changing bit by bit as they take influence from the "more civilized" Western world. Oda clearly just isn't influenced by that and sees it with good eyes, as all people should.
If you want to read more about it, I refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to praise Oda for his mind full of awesome. :3
Iva-san is really a miracle - to me!
I don't have any clue, what df power he/she could have.
But I'd recently speculate, that the thing with the death wink was done by pure strength.
Remember what Bon said. Iva's the strongest okama in the world.
And in the past Oda showed us often the strength of some people by really weird and unthinkable moves. Reverse the direction of a bazooka-bullet with only an eyebrow could be just another weird ridiculous strong move.
So I also asked myself what Iva-san's locked up for and especially how did they capture Iva-san. Maybe with some dirty tactic.
The show with the female hormones was a df move or some REALLY WEIRD haki stuff (but I doubt that myself).
Of course the "Emporio Female Hormones" is only a name for that 'attack'.
Like Ace' "Entei"-Move. The move with the freakin sunlike fireball. Entei means also emperor. But that doesn't mean Ace is an emperor, dudes!
Think of such stuff, before you throw out emperor-speculations, folks. PLEEEAAASE!
And what I have to say about that homophobic gay-hating issue:
One clishee (that is for SURE written false, german's my native language, but you all know what I mean) about Okamas and gays is true in that chapter:
Okamas and gays always have a very happy "let's party"-life-attitude, that's for sure. I know some gay guys, cause I have a gay cousin. Gays are a little "fun-loving" folk.
And I've got no probs with okamas in OP. They're funny. Damn, I even would like to learn Okama Kenpo, the stance is awesome.
I doubt it, but Bon for nakama (this's the 1st time I throw out such "… 4 nakama"-bullsh#t).
Iva-san is really a miracle - to me!
I don't have any clue, what df power he/she could have.
But I'd recently speculate, that the thing with the death wink was done by pure strength.
Remember what Bon said. Iva's the strongest okama in the world.
And in the past Oda showed us often the strength of some people by really weird and unthinkable moves. Reverse the direction of a bazooka-bullet with only an eyebrow could be just another weird ridiculous strong move.
So I also asked myself what Iva-san's locked up for and especially how did they capture Iva-san. Maybe with some dirty tactic.
The show with the female hormones was a df move or some REALLY WEIRD haki stuff (but I doubt that myself).
Of course the "Emporio Female Hormones" is only a name for that 'attack'.
Like Ace' "Entei"-Move. The move with the freakin sunlike fireball. Entei means also emperor. But that doesn't mean Ace is an emperor, dudes!
Think of such stuff, before you throw out emperor-speculations, folks. PLEEEAAASE!
And what I have to say about that homophobic gay-hating issue:
One clishee (that is for SURE written false, german's my native language, but you all know what I mean) about Okamas and gays is true in that chapter:
Okamas and gays always have a very happy "let's party"-life-attitude, that's for sure. I know some gay guys, cause I have a gay cousin. Gays are a little "fun-loving" folk.
And I've got no probs with okamas in OP. They're funny. Damn, I even would like to learn Okama Kenpo, the stance is awesome.
I doubt it, but Bon for nakama (this's the 1st time I throw out such "… 4 nakama"-bullsh#t).
I believe that Iva-San has the revert revert fruit and he is able to revert anything and this is why he can revert a man into a woman an viceversa, an offensive bullet to a defensive bullet…
@Urine:
An offensive bullet to a defensive bullet…
What's a defensive bullet? I was thinking it was a "Just-kidding Just-kidding" Fruit.
Iva-san: Just kidding, that cannon ball isn't flying at me.
Iva-san: Just kidding, you aren't dying from poison.
Iva-san: Just kidding, you aren't a man.
I believe that Iva-San has the revert revert fruit and he is able to revert anything and this is why he can revert a man into a woman an viceversa, an offensive bullet to a defensive bullet…
That's a good explanation, Urian.
I think somebody else (or was that you?) also speculated that. This guy also posted that if Luffy's healed completely, he also would turn into a girl.
So that Iva-san not only reverts the injuries, but also the gender. They would have to nearly kill Luffy again to heal him and make him a boy again at the same time.
But what bothers me:
That transformed guy/girl who shot at Iva had a big-ass scar on his shoulder. That scar still was there when the guy was completely transformed into a girl.
So:
IF Iva-san had eaten the reverse reverse no mi, he could choose what he reverts. And this also means that if Luffy get healed he doesn't become a girl, cause Iva could have chosen to revert only Luffy's health.
This are good and bad news…
Bad News: We don't see Luffy as a girl. It would be so hilarious, if Luffy would keep his personality as a girl, remember when he woke up at Amazon Lily and the 'Kintamas'!
Good News: They don't have to nearly kill Luffy a scond time to turn him back into male.
If your theory is right, Urian, then there would be only one question left:
Why does this healing take two full days and why's Luffy (obviously, not sure) alone in this cave, if Iva's powers are involved?
Maybe it's the "Hantai Hantai no mi" (hantai from seihantai, which EUdict is telling me means "exactly opposite"), and hantai could be a pun for hentai.
Nevermind, it's been pointed out that'd be 4 syllables (I knew it sounded wrong for some reason). Mira Mira or Kuru Kuru, from mirakuru would make more sense (Mira = Mirror, Kuru = to come).
@Muscle:
This chapter sucked, one I will sure forget real fast, next week should be better.
WTF!!!!! sure it may not have been super epic but it was truly a fine chapter
I wonder if in OP world Okama's are just another race like fishmen and Giants…. kidding but they do make it seem like it
EDIT: if sanji meets Ivankov he'll probably try to kill him
I also doubt that Okamas are a own race. Iva-san seems to have the power to convince nearly everyone to be an Okama.
I mean, just look at the place. All the people there were imprisoned in ID before. They couldn't all be Okamas from the start.
@Hyrrokkin
Yeah, it's true, I've read sth similar about the samurais. Like a sword fight with an opponent would be the same as sex with that opponent. Like an intime moment or sth like that. I don't remember that clearly, so don't take it super-serious. But Hyrro's right. Homosexuality is seen with different eyes in Japan. With more tolerant eyes I've to say.
All you homophobics out there have to make your sexuality more solid. Then you could get along with other sexualities.
@Maes:
Maybe it's the "Hantai Hantai no mi" (hantai from seihantai, which EUdict is telling me means "exactly opposite"), and hantai could be a pun for hentai.
Alas, hantai is four syllables, and I'm pretty sure all devil fruits are two syllables.
Let's hope Ivankov gets his hands on Zoro.
same
he could reverse the pain Zoro is suffering due to luffy/kuma
i think Ivan would cry after hearing the way tyhe strawhats stick their necks out for their nakama
same
he could reverse the pain Zoro is suffering due to luffy/kumai think Ivan would cry after hearing the way tyhe strawhats stick their necks out for their nakama
I thought he was implying Zoro would become a woman(tranny)
i wonder what would happen if he turned a woman into a man, or more specifically nami and robin? they are both scary enough, also its a shame sanji doesn't have this fruit, it would solve his biggest weakness =(
Awesome chapter n_n
@Zik:
I thought he was implying Zoro would become a woman(tranny)
lol some part of me deep inside knew that was what he ment
omg.. finally one piece before naruto or bleach! truly SUPER!
I noticed this, too!
I also noticed OP was the most popular release at the time I was reading the chapter on One Manga last week…
@Ao:
I noticed this, too!
I also noticed OP was the most popular release at the time I was reading the chapter on One Manga last week…
Where'd you notice that?O_O
First thing that bugged me when I saw that double page was that ALL of that underground secret drugville was looking false.A little too much sugar.Everyone are happy and gay,tranny or simply disgendered.It felt like everything is just a sinful trap.
Or maybe Bentham is lying on the cold floor under anesthesia from Iva-san smiling and letting drool sip out from his mouth.While Luffy is being raped in that cave.
And when I saw barmen with plate the first idea was-what is Moria's little brother doing there? And those two..women…huma.....living beings behin the desk looked just like Cindry and Miss Doublefinger.
[QUOTEWhere'd you notice that?O_O]
One the sidebar @ OneManga.com they show which chapters are the most popular in order from most to least…last week OP was at the top whereas it's usually 3rd after Bleach and Naruto(sometimes 4th after Gantz or some other Darkhorse that leaps ahead in popularity that particular week).
Ivankov's powers are really interesting. A "Reverse" or "Oppostite" Devil Fruit is really promising, but the use of "Female Hormones" kinda seems to point in another direction. I can't wait to see more of his abilities.
actually the reversing abilities of Ivankov makes sense to me, all points leads that way. The cannonball was moved forward then was pushed back, Luffy is recovering instead of dying, and the female hormones becomes dominant in the body instead of the male hormones.
actually the reversing abilities of Ivankov makes sense to me, all points leads that way. The cannonball was moved forward then was pushed back, Luffy is recovering instead of dying, and the female hormones becomes dominant in the body instead of the male hormones.
If it is a reverse DF why didn't he just reverse luffys state? That would have taken just a second to do. He admit himself that his abilities were not able to instantly heal him. So yeah… Ivan must have another ability.
If it is a reverse DF why didn't he just reverse luffys state? That would have taken just a second to do. He admit himself that his abilities were not able to instantly heal him. So yeah… Ivan must have another ability.
this is very agreeable
or there are limitations???
@Ao:
[QUOTEWhere'd you notice that?O_O]
One the sidebar @ OneManga.com they show which chapters are the most popular in order from most to least…last week OP was at the top whereas it's usually 3rd after Bleach and Naruto(sometimes 4th after Gantz or some other Darkhorse that leaps ahead in popularity that particular week).
WTH (what the heck), why didn't I notice thatO_O?!?
Please tell me you screencapped that!!!
Iva-san's powers are a big mystery to me. I just can't figure out what it is. Also, I wonder if Luffy will somehow be able to break out of that weird prison within a prison in time to save Ace-san…
I would take it as this:
You can't thaw a frostbite in 10 minutes you have to gradually heat the area. If Iva has a reverse-reverse fruit he could set a frozen hand on fire ? Yes/No ?
No. No matter how you want to put in the idea of Reverse Reverse - I actually like the idea - it doesn't work because genderbending in an instant is just like… wtf? it should really take some time more, especially if it takes two days to reverse "a few" toxins.
I wonder why Emporio Ivankov is in Impel Down… what did he do to get thrown in there...
http://onemanga.com/One_Piece/532/13/
Most likely it's just discrimination/racism, like Fishman Island, and Amazon Island (Amazon Lily).
Iva's Death Wink didn't seem like a fruit power or haki to me. It looked like the wind from him blinking propelled the cannonball back. Yeah, that's sounds even less reasonable, but maybe he's just that good. I think his abilities are strictly gender-based. Not all Devil Fruits are super useful, are they? I also think that Luffy's treatment doesn't have anything to do with Iva's Devil Fruit, either. He's got that mysterious, 'I dunno what to think of this guy' impression, so I predict he just has deep knowledge of medical techniques or just random knowledge on this sorta thing. First of all, why would reversing the injuries and poison hurt so bad? Luffy was screaming in there. Unless it has to 'go back through' all the pain before it's healed…. How would backwards pain feel? Anyway, I'm not gonna jump on the haki explanation either. If I think too much about possibilities of what haki can do, I'll forgot what we're sure that it can do and get mixed up. I don't like seeing all these responses attributing everything he did to a Devil Fruit or saying it's haki every time a character does something awesome.... >.<
http://onemanga.com/One_Piece/532/13/
Most likely it's just discrimination, like Fishman Island, and Amazon Island (Amazon Lily).
Seriously though, you don't get sent to the lower levels of Impel Down because you are a tranny…
or there are limitations???
That's a point though changing a man into a woman in 1 sec is already a super ability.
He may have DF based on hormones but this prediction also has its flaws like why did a man transformed into a woman in one second and why does it take 58 hours for luffy to be healed? We can also assumed that Bon chan was also healed pretty quick since he mostly slept the whole time.
I wonder if somebody already mentioned that Ivankov might turn hannybal and magellan into a women, holy shit!!! nightmares…nightmares...fucking nightmares
I was thinking, maybe Iva has a miracle fruit. It could be called the Mira Mira no mi or the Kuru Kuru(as in Mirakuru) no mi.
But I'd recently speculate, that the thing with the death wink was done by pure strength.
-Iva's 'Death Wink' looked more like the power of shuting his eye caused a wave that sent back the cannon ball. Any way you look at it it's not Haki for sure.(imo of course)
Iva's Death Wink didn't seem like a fruit power or haki to me. It looked like the wind from him blinking propelled the cannonball back.
IT'S HAKI! Haki amplifies physical effects. That's one of the abilities.
I also speculate that ridiculous strength is also Haki, but it's not so simple.
I theorize that Haki falls into 2 categories: External and Internal. External Haki is the Haki that projects power outside the body. Internal Haki is the Haki that affects the user's body and mind. Making noobs faint, projecting force, and nullifying DFs is external Haki. Reading minds, fast recovery, damage endurance, and physical strength are internal Haki.
Haki can also be categorized another way: Trained and Natural. Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro naturally have ridiculous physical strength, and that's because their muscles are enhanced with Haki. They don't know it, but that's their natural Haki at work. Nami, Ussop and Robin also have unique natural Haki, but they are significantly different from the Monster Trio. Their Haki doesn't affect physical strength, but enhances their other talents. Not all Haki is the same, and not all people can use all Haki equally. Luffy developed Haoushoku Haki (Noob Kill Haki) naturally, so he releases it only when he gets angry, and can't control it well.
If Haki users become aware of their powers, they can train it. I'm not quite sure, but it's also possible that Haki masters can train themselves to use Haki in ways that aren't naturally developed in them.
Seriously though, you don't get sent to the lower levels of Impel Down because you are a tranny…
Yes, you do if you are a super-powered tranny queen.
I thought you were smart too.
One more internet role model down the drain…
And accepting that the force of wind caused by winking is sufficient reason for causing a cannonball to hurl back in the opposite direction…
However, I'd have to agree that smart people listen to the words of other smart people. Unfortunately, where are they on this subject matter?
As for how serious I am about this theory: I believe in this theory as much as I believe in my artistic talent.
But really, this theory is merely a suggestion. No need to flame me. Shame on you Zkaiser.
But the DF possibility for all of Iva's powers are still somewhat plausible. But that would put Iva's power on par with Oda. Being able to reverse direction of a moving object. Transforming a man to a woman. Reversing the effects of Magellan's poison. Maybe he could undo his prison sentence? Or reverse the WG's disposition to transvestites? Or reverse the Tenryuubito's opinion on human rights?
I just don't understand how apparently now a character can't do awesome stuff without it being haki. Doesn't that make things kind of boring?
I just don't understand how apparently now a character can't do awesome stuff without it being haki. Doesn't that make things kind of boring?
Not really. Haki just provides an explanation of superpowers in this series. It helps rationalize some of it's wacky physics. It's kind of like the Grand Unification Theory aka Theory of Everything. It's awesome because it can be used to explain everything.
I'll laugh so hard if Female Luffy turns out to be an ugly girl. He'd probably look like he die from the omake "Obahan Time".
If there is a Female Luffy and she turns out to be ugly, man, I'd keel over on the floor with laughter.
@Fire Fist:
After reading the chapter, I'm pretty sure that Ivankov has the Mira Mira (Mirror Mirror) Fruit. He's able to "mirror" things, such as reversing the direction of projectiles or turning men into women. It's the most logical fruit I can think of.
I'd imagine a mirror mirror fruit ability to be more of a copy copy ability, for example, like how Bon-chan can copy people's body's, perhaps a mirror ability allows the user to copy actions from a person.
I just don't understand how apparently now a character can't do awesome stuff without it being haki. Doesn't that make things kind of boring?
IT'S HAKI I tell ya! Haki!!!! C'mon, we all know we have to dissect everything to death on this forum. Especially the stuff that Oda has explained yet.