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Chapter 523 "Hell" Discussion
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i just want to share some of my thoughts
amazon lily
i think that even if hancock betray the WG, amazon lily will not be harmed because when hancock became the shiki for 10+ years, why didnt the the WG invade amazon lily when hancock is still a slave? i think the kuja pirates can defend there turf even w/o hancock and if hancock betrays the WG its not wise to go back to your island and lure the marines to attack it.hancock
she wants to help luffy because she loves him, there is no one in a right state that will just go to a place where she is so afraid to go but she still goes and about the love-sickness nyon got exiled in amazon lily because she abandon the island, it just means that she have gone for a pretty long time for getting that punishment. if hancock can cure his sickness in 1 event(impel down arc 5-10hours) for some reasons, then all the empress are stupid including nyon, for letting the sickness kill/exile them because that sickness can be cured in 1 day.
i also think that if boa will help luffy and WG figured that boa betrays them, its almost sure that boa will not go back to amazon lily.Transport to amazon lily
now this is a problem,
1st sunny cant possibly travel in the calm belt and go back to amazon lily and that is if sunny will get to impel down for some reason
2nd Boa got no crew so even if she will stole a marine ship, she cant sail to go back to amazon lily so someone must accompany her to go back, so as of now, Boa will get a hard time going back
i think the best possible route is to join luffy and from impel down, ride the current to go to marine HQ w/c is near Sabondy and re-unite with sunny at sabondy and decide from therebtw, im always read in here and decide to post my 1st today
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Hey, quick question, and slightly off topic, since we got an early release this time, does this mean it's going to be a "late" release this up coming week or a normal Late Thursday-Early Friday release?
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Hard to say, really. It depends on when someone has something to release: it could come as early as Wednesday or as late as Saturday, or even Sunday. Since leaking manga chapters is illegal in Japan, and they actually do enforce that law (last two years have seen a few arrests.), it's up to the individual providers.
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That's pretty fucked up.
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They're probably just glad that she decided to come along at all. They also know that she's a total bitch, so it'd be better to just let her go to Impel Down and do whatever it is that she wanted to do.
While I agree with this statement, don't they think it's odd that she just happens to want to visit Impel Down where Ace, the key to EVERYTHING going down at the moment, is being held and another Shichibukai just happens to be?
I'm not suggesting they could even DREAM of her real motive but you'd think at this point they'd reject that on the grounds of how extremely volatile that particular location is at this time.
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While I agree with this statement, don't they think it's odd that she just happens to want to visit Impel Down where Ace, the key to EVERYTHING going down at the moment, is being held and another Shichibukai just happens to be?
I'm not suggesting they could even DREAM of her real motive but you'd think at this point they'd reject that on the grounds of how extremely volatile that particular location is at this time.
Well she could just tell them that she wants to go there because she thinks WB will attack there or that she wants to see the prisoner.
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Well she could just tell them that she wants to go there because she thinks WB will attack there or that she wants to see the prisoner.
Either excuse reeks of something fishy. I would have enjoyed Oda making a scene with her reasoning especially since Momonga doesn't seem like the type to dick around.
+Let Hancock visit Impel Down [knowing that has no real reason to want to interfere with Ace's execution], which will result in her helping to fight Whitebeard.
+Refusing the request and having that whole BALANCE OF POWERS be out of whack because Hancock didn't come to help.It would have been nice for a scene with that. I would agree that the request wouldn't get very far down the line seeing how waist-deep in it Sengoku is at the moment and that she does have leverage but just seeing it addressed as, "Okay, so we're stopping at the center of Fucking-Shitsville before going to war HERP DERP." was odd, especially since Oda is a hawk with details. BTW, Notice how Oda skillfully just made an excuse for some important info that would otherwise travel down the grapevine to get rejected on grounds of an order from Sengoku? If later down the line I complain that, "The Marines would have been all over that!", someone smack me upside the head.
BTW, I'm in love with the weather/magician's design. I love when Oda draws characters with Duval-ish eyes that look like shit. You know he's just fucking around and its great.
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Boacock is a bitch that does not care for anyone other than herself and maybe her sisters, and the WG knows it, why would she want to save Ace? That would never happen… unless, of course, she was in love with Ace´s brother. But does the WG know that? Of course not, so Boa going to Impel Down to rescue Ace would never cross anyone on the marines´ side mind.
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This was one epic chapter. Anyway, it is cool that Boa Hancock convinced the Marines to let her visit Impel Down. At least now Luffy has a way to save Ace. Also, I think Kizaru might be Luffy's rival now because he seems pissed off by capturing those pirates. And I think we might see Kizaru again. Maybe, when Luffy invades Impel Down to save Ace, Kizaru will come and try to capture Luffy.
Also, I am happy that we got to see where some of the other Strawhats were shown. First, I think Nami might get a upgrade to her Climatact. Maybe by using the "Wind Knot" for the upgrade. And I wonder how Nami will get off Weatheria? Maybe the people on the sky island will help her find a way out. Second, I think that Franky might get a upgrade as well. Maybe Franky might meet the genius of Karakuri Island. Also, I think that the genius might be the guy that was shown in Enel's cover story. The guy I mean is this one: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/448/001/
Lastly, it is pretty funny that Sanji got send to the Kamabakka Kingdom. I wonder how he will escape Momoiro Island? I think maybe he will find a boat on the island to escape and the transvestites will be like "No, come back!". -
Ugh, it was never stated if she leaves him she'll die. There's a difference between not suppressing your feelings and following the person you love around everywhere they go like a stalker. Also, yes, I do believe that Hancock will drop Luffy off and continue on her way. They said she was going to central, and also said that by going she was saving the island, that statement right there also provides support for my other argument. Whitebeard's attack doesn't have to be immediately as Luffy is released into Impel Down. I can see him wondering around lost for a bit before something like an explosion or shaking catches his attention and he heads that way. Also, why wouldn't she help the WG on the WB issue? To me, nothing has changed about her except when she's around Luffy. Not to mention she may not even get a chance to, because she could be on her way to Marineford when WB attacks ID, then she has to ride the triangular ocean current all the way around, past Marineford, past Enies Lobby, back to ID, by then Ace could easily be free, and everyone fleeing the scene. Also, if they knew that she was going to Impel Down instead of Marineford, why was it stated FOUR times that she was going to Central or the Holy Land?
Edit- I also want to state that it's nice to debate with people who can maintain a coherrent thought process for once.
I never meant to make it seem like she'd die without him, but so far we have no idea what this sickness entails and the only cure has been the presence of Luffy or knowing he'd be around. Just like how Elder Nyon explained she had to leave the island to survive, seems to point to one of those things. I doubt she'd have to stalk him or stick to him wherever he goes, but I think she does need to know she'll see him again at some point, leaving him alone at Impel down puts that in jeopardy. Also, how is Luffy supposed to get out of there with no boat? I'd think she'd try to delay the ship from leaving so he could get back, otherwise Luffy has no way of getting out without a Marine ship. She'd probably be back to bedridden and sick again too if she is just sailing around without knowing what's going on with him (unless it is explained otherwise), which means she is useless to the WG and stripped of her title anyways. They stated she will be going to central before Sengoku put out the orders to watch for an attack at Impel down, knowing she is going there anyways he might just say to stay there since like you said it'd take ages to sail back if she goes ahead to central, so why not stay there? I doubt Oda will just have her sailing in circles as the battle happens, I mean she has been an integral part of this arc and has been hyped quite a bit with discussion of her abilities and power. When else would we get a chance to see her abilities if she doesn't join the SH, as she probably stays near Amazon Lily when she sails and is an empress, she can't go assisting Luffy in the middle of the New World. I don't think all the shichibukia will head into battle, but a few probably will and the admirals definitely will if they plan to defeat WB.
I do see your point about her returning if they don't find out about her assisting Luffy, I guess that's where we both differ, I think they will find out about her betrayal and leave her no choice but to put her name behind the SH rather than Amazon lily giving Oda a way out of having the island destroyed. Otherwise her returning to Amazon lily is suicide since the WG knows her location and would guarntee the destruction of her home. If things go your way and she doesn't assist in the battle, then I definitely see her returning home and not joining the crew. I just think she'll join the crew mainly because of her personality/past, she's not very trusting of others, emotionally distant, friendless other than her sisters and now Luffy, hates a certain group/sex (men) and thinks of people as easily swayed/despicable at times but overall when we saw her open up she seemed like a good person that went through a horrid past. One of the things I love about this story is the ability of Luffy to impress his ideals and way of life on others, and the closeness/personality of the crew to change others to follow their way. Brooke might have her thinking men are all the same and Sanji at times (even though I think like Nami she'd realize how much he actually respects woman), but Zoro, Chopper, Luffy and even Ussop/Franky at times are not the typical male and won't just fall to her looks and show that not all men are horrible perverts. Nami and Robin were very distrusting of pirates/people and overtime they both trusted Luffy and the rest of the crew with their lives. I just see her character having a lot of character development opportunities and becoming a great Nakama to the crew overtime through their influence like the rest of the crew has, just like a bunch of them you'd think they were a terrible choice but later they developed into a perfect part of the crew/family that is the SH. That's why I knew Paulie or Margaret would not join, they were already basically strawhats, believing in friendship, protecting others etc.
I just quoted your first paragraph because I didn't want to make the post even longer than it already is, but I agree, it is nice to have a proper arguement with someone that presents coherent thoughts and ideas.
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the marines were probably afraid of her refusing to help them if they rejected her request to visit impel down.
furthermore, they'd be passing by there anyway, and sengoku already pointed out that whitebeard may attack impel down instead, so it might be better for her to help transport ace to marineford.
No hard feelings there.
Anyway, that passage about a possible invasion was said by Nyon. Not the Marines. That's provided they continue to live on piracy. And even if they return to being a 'simple pillaging nation', why would the marines still attack them over the other pirate crews when Boa Hancock is no longer empress? I've been asking this question and nobody has provided a convincing explanation. I don't understand how Boa Hancock can protect her kingdom from the WG if she returns there as an enemy of the WG. Unless you are utterly convinced that the WG doesn't find out about her affiliation with Luffy. In which case I find it pointless to argue any further.
She seems to pretty much enjoying having screaming fans, and being seen as pretty
huh? She was disgusted by the men's blind devotion. And where do you see her enjoying her subordinates fawning over her? But I agree with your point about her not "dreaming of the world outside". She's afraid. And the Straw Hats can change her perception of the world outside.
Zoro just sleeps on the ship, helping with the sails and steering. Why can't Hancock contribute in other ways that are not essential to sailing? Your point about Zoro being First Mate when the time calls for it; wouldn't Hancock be fighting off other pirate crews just like Usopp, Nami, Chopper, Robin, Franky, and Brooke when they aren't on the ship? We already see certain existing crewmembers without crucial roles on the ship that contribute by fighting off the ship. So why can't Hancock fit there? Or you suggesting that no more new characters will join the Straw Hats because they don't fill an important role? I would like to know what these 'roles' are then, when they already have a navigator, cook, doctor, scout, and shipwright.
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Boacock is a bitch that does not care for anyone other than herself and maybe her sisters, and the WG knows it, why would she want to save Ace? That would never happen… unless, of course, she was in love with Ace´s brother. But does the WG know that? Of course not, so Boa going to Impel Down to rescue Ace would never cross anyone on the marines´ side mind.
Wow, been a while since I've seen an idea go so far over someone's head.
Who said it had anything to do with 'rescuing' Ace?
Simply the fact that it's such a voltile location at this point. Her being there alone stragetically would be a disaster IF WB launched a pre-emptive attack. Along with many other possibilities.
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Simply the fact that it's such a voltile location at this point. Her being there alone stragetically would be a disaster IF WB launched a pre-emptive attack. Along with many other possibilities.
Wouldn't it actually be a good thing for her to be there?
Seeing as they're now worried about an attack at Impel Down, having one of the Shichibukai present would seem like something that they would want to have there.
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Well, I suppose it can be argued that if Whitebeard suddenly made an attack on Impel Down, hey, you've got a (technically two) Shichibukai there already in case things go sour.
But yes, it is a bit odd that no ones seems to have gone ''Huh? What's this now?''. Maybe Momonga is just a really persuasive kind of guy.
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dont forget jinbei is fighting against the government now so he would probablly be on white beard side and hancock is in between cause we dont know what action shes going to take
WITH IN ALL OF US IS SOME KIND OF ANIMAL AND IT IS UP TO US IF WE CHOOSE TO RELEASE IT - WORDS FROM A LAZY WHALE 
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Boacock is a bitch that does not care for anyone other than herself and maybe her sisters, and the WG knows it, why would she want to save Ace? That would never happen… unless, of course, she was in love with Ace´s brother. But does the WG know that? Of course not, so Boa going to Impel Down to rescue Ace would never cross anyone on the marines´ side mind.
did you not read the last chapter where she said she couldn't say no to Luffy?
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There's no way for Boa to get back to her Island unless she's accompanied by Mariners…..you know what that means Boa = SHP now bitches!!!!!!!!!!
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@Shaman:
dont forget jinbei is fighting against the government now so he would probablly be on white beard side and hancock is in between cause we dont know what action shes going to take
Honestly, I doubt he's on anyone's side but his own. The dialogue gave me the impression that he took a stance similar to Hancock's and told the Marines' envoy to bugger off and then went the extra mile by trashing the forces sent to pick him up.
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maybe the guy old guy of mechanical island is related to Vegapunk, like his grandpa or something
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Wouldn't it actually be a good thing for her to be there?
Nay. First at this point Jinbei is a wild card, but having them split up without thinking of the ramifications or having a plan in place would be a huge disaster.
Whereas she might be incredibly useful alongside the others, just alone (since we don't know which way Jinbei would go) would invite a massacre and destroy any advantage they might have had working 'together'. Don't wanna make them sound like the A-Team or some shit and I doubt they'd sit around holding hands thinking about how to approach the battle, but something needs to be said for the whole 'united we stand' thing.
Again Tsuchi's comment makes the most sense in that, yes, she had leverage. But I would have preferred to see her use it or at least address how she manipulated them.
There's no way for Boa to get back to her Island unless she's accompanied by Mariners…..you know what that means Boa = SHP now bitches!!!!!!!!!!
Her people could come get her.
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Nay. First at this point Jinbei is a wild card, but having them split up without thinking of the ramifications or having a plan in place would be a huge disaster.
Whereas she might be incredibly useful alongside the others, just alone (since we don't know which way Jinbei would go) would invite a massacre and destroy any advantage they might have had working 'together'. Don't wanna make them sound like the A-Team or some shit and I doubt they'd sit around holding hands thinking about how to approach the battle, but something needs to be said for the whole 'united we stand' thing.
Again Tsuchi's comment makes the most sense in that, yes, she had leverage. But I would have preferred to see her use it or at least address how she manipulated them.
You don't think Boa heart power can work on Jinbei.
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You don't think Boa heart power can work on Jinbei.
or on any fishman/merman or giant or well pretty much any non-human could be immune
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or on any fishman/merman or giant or well pretty much any non-human could be immune
why would that be?
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You don't think Boa heart power can work on Jinbei.
Totally possible! But he probably knows all about her. Not to mention we're talking about the jackass who basically allowed Arlong to run free.
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why would that be?
-__- isnt very obvius
is just like that chopper thing, he could fall in love more likely with another reinder than a human, the same most go for the others, even thought there are exeptions ofcourse, kokoro married a human and that huge guy from foxy`s crew was half giant half fishman but there are always hibrids on this kind of things but generally the races go for its own race
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Totally possible! But he probably knows all about her. Not to mention we're talking about the jackass who basically allowed Arlong to run free.
they split up and it isnt his responsiblity to keep arlong in line
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they split up and it isnt his responsiblity to keep arlong in line
Yeah, a former captain certainly has no weight over a subordinate. It's not like Luffy would take responsibility for Zoro's actions if he thought Zoro murdered a bunch of people in cold blood and take it upon himself to pound him.
…..wait.
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does it seem to you that jinbei will do something thats expected of a captain to do.every crew runs differentlly not all do what luffy did with ussop
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@Shaman:
they split up and it isnt his responsiblity to keep arlong in line
Nail on the head.
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every crew runs differentlly not all do what luffy did with ussop
Um actually I was talking about Whiskey Peak.
does it seem to you that jinbei will do something thats expected of a captain to do.
Thank you for proving my point. He appears to be exactly the kind of individual that would allow his crew to run rampant. or as I originally said:
Not to mention we're talking about the jackass who basically allowed Arlong to run free.
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ok im confuse now 0.0
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Yeah, a former captain certainly has no weight over a subordinate. It's not like Luffy would take responsibility for Zoro's actions if he thought Zoro murdered a bunch of people in cold blood and take it upon himself to pound him.
…..wait.
The difference there is that Zoro was and is still part of Luffy's crew. Arlong split from Jinbei and formed his own crew complete with his own jolly roger. While I have no doubt that Jinbei knew what kind of person Arlong was (a violent racist who delights in torrmenting humans), once they went their separate ways it's really no longer Jinbei's problem. We don't even know the conditions on the split, it could be that they left on bad terms. Still, I doubt Jinbei is any better than Arlong; he's probably (hopefully) worse.
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Arlong split from Jinbei and formed his own crew complete with his own jolly roger.
Unless you can find info to the contrary, with what we currently know Arlong didn't split, he went off on his own after Jinbei became a Shichibukai.
And all of this only continues to further strengthen my point, there's a strong possibility that Jinbei is a dick and may not participate in a struggle that 'favors' the WG even if Boa asks 'nice'. My point in saying that he allowed Arlong to run free remains, sure, he didn't HAVE to do anything to save human lives and it would seem he didn't.
Now while you are correct that we don't know what terms they left on, if Jinbei was a responsible captain, he would have taken Arlong out. I mean it was YEARS that shit went on.
HOWEVER, he may have been subjected to extenuating circumstances and Oda is simply messing with our POV. But my original point stands and that is, due to the history he appears to have, his simply being at Impel Down is no promise of anything and remains a 'weak' point on Marine judgement for allowing Boa to stroll over there.
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i'm hoping there is at least one scene where chopper is sleeping on the floor and hancock tells the strawhats who put this tanooki in front of her and then kicks chopper into the wall.
btw what do you think of the possibility of crocodile joining the strawhats and not boa? i would like to see a guy that was a major villain in one piece join luffy's crew. by major villain i mean somebody who was the final boss of an arc not some minor villain like franky and robin were. isn't crescent moon gary part of luffy's crew at the end of romance dawn? maybe oda has always planned for a major villain to join the strawhats at some point. if i had to make a choice i would probably choose hancock but i wouldn't be surprised if oda sprung this on us.
no i don`t think Crocodile is going to join the crew thats not gonna happen i mean why would a major villain join his arch enemys that would make no sense then again anything possible.
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Unless you can find info to the contrary, with what we currently know Arlong didn't split, he went off on his own after Jinbei became a Shichibukai.
And all of this only continues to further strengthen my point, there's a strong possibility that Jinbei is a dick and may not participate in a struggle that 'favors' the WG even if Boa asks 'nice'. My point in saying that he allowed Arlong to run free remains, sure, he didn't HAVE to do anything to save human lives and it would seem he didn't.
Now while you are correct that we don't know what terms they left on, if Jinbei was a responsible captain, he would have taken Arlong out. I mean it was YEARS that shit went on.
HOWEVER, he may have been subjected to extenuating circumstances and Oda is simply messing with our POV. But my original point stands and that is, due to the history he appears to have, his simply being at Impel Down is no promise of anything and remains a 'weak' point on Marine judgement for allowing Boa to stroll over there.
I actually agree with most of what you've said; I only disagree about Jinbei's responsibility regarding Arlong (and if Jinbei is the kind of guy I think he is, the only thing he would have done to Arlong and give him a slap on the back and a "job well done!" speech). I think the Marines only agreed to let Boa go to Imperial Down simply because they wanted her in their war and were willing to do almost anything to get her to go.
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no i don`t think croc is going to join the sw thats not gonna happen i mean why would a major villen join his arch enimys that would make no sence then again anythings possible in op.
Your grammer is what makes no sense.
I think Jinbei would be proud of ol' Arlong
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I'll just go ahead and toss these out, based on nothing whatsoever, since these exact same things are bound to come up in the near future.
-Jimbei is old drinking buddies with Whitebeard, same way Mihawk is drinking buddies with Shanks.
-Jimbei has Whitebeard's tattoo on his back, thats why he doesn't want to fight.
-Jimbei is Hachi's uncle, so he'll be on great terms with Luffy after Hachi introduces them.
-Jimbei was in Gol Roger's crew.
-Jimbei is Luffy's mother.Now, with THAT out of the way…. Really, we know NOTHING about Jimbei yet except that Arlong used to work under him. If he tolerated, encouraged, or showed disdain for Arlong's racism remains to be seen. Jimbei could be the type that loves slaughtering enemies bare handed just to see the sight of blood. Or he could like drinking grog, singing and partying into the night and having a good time and only fights because he has to and be a totally Shanks like figure thats singlehandedly protecting the entire fishman nation through sheer will.
Also, he's the ONLY non-human shichibukai, and he doesn't want to fight in the upcoming war, to the point he's willing to lose the title. its clearly against his interests. There's gotta be something going on there. maybe he joined for the sake of protecting something, or for the sake of not being harassed, or as a matter of respect to someone.
The sheer fact that he's got probelms with joining the impending war, and the fact that Oda's held off on Fishman island for so damn long (where most folks, myself included, always ASSUMED Jimbei would be) all make me think he's going to be a richer character with a more complicated backstory than Arlong was, a backstory that just couldn't have shown up earlier in the series. Considering that in the time since he was first mentioned we've met Tom, hachi's redeemed, and we've learned of the slave trade, Boa's backstory and the existence of Fisher Tiger, the signifigance of the sun tattoo, and the prosecution Fishmen seem to face on Shabondy (which is right next to Fishman island), and the fact that its become pretty clear at this point the SH crew ISN'T going to have to face and beat EVERY Shichibukai, and can even be on decent terms with them of a sort (Mihawk, Boa, and Kuma are all enemies that won't need to be fought in massive lengthy arcs o their own like Croc and Moria were) he's NOT going to just be a retread of Arlong. Thos entire last year has been full of extra details and background infromation about Fishmen and Mermaids and slavery that we've been given in little bits and pieces, and all of that makes Jimbei potentially more interesting and compelling.
It would be boring to get a SECOND fishman boss who keeps going on about their superiority to all humans, don't you think? Understand, I LOVED Arlong. Arlong was an awesome villain, one of my favorites, but to get a straight up retread of him, only stronger, would be incredibly dull. I really hope when we meet Jimbei there's more to him than "Fismen are better than humans, let me display this with violence, rarr!" It was GREAT for Arlong, but a sociopath fishman again? I hope Jimbei likes the color pink, delicate ceramic dolls, fruity drinks, and walks on the beach, and just happens to be able to destroy an armada with his raw strength.
Well, I actually don't hope for THAT specificually, thats just an extreme example. If Oda wants to make him a big scary brute fishmonster like Arlong was, I totally trust Oda can deliver a capable badass villain that way. But thats what people seem to want him to be, and I hope with all this buildup and devleoping racial back history, that he defies expectation and is written with better stuff than as just another brute fishman. Be nice to get a fishman with some honor, integrity, or possibly a spirit of fun in him.
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@robbybevard:
I'll just go ahead and toss these out, based on nothing whatsoever, since these exact same things are bound to come up in the near future.
-Jimbei is old drinking buddies with Whitebeard, same way Mihawk is drinking buddies with Shanks.
-Jimbei has Whitebeard's tattoo on his back, thats why he doesn't want to fight.
-Jimbei is Hachi's uncle, so he'll be on great terms with Luffy after Hachi introduces them.
-Jimbei was in Gol Roger's crew.
-Jimbei is Luffy's mother.Now, with THAT out of the way…. Really, we know NOTHING about Jimbei yet except that Arlong used to work under him. If he tolerated, encouraged, or showed disdain for Arlong's racism remains to be seen. Jimbei could be the type that loves slaughtering enemies bare handed just to see the sight of blood. Or he could like drinking grog, singing and partying into the night and having a good time and only fights because he has to and be a totally Shanks like figure thats singlehandedly protecting the entire fishman nation through sheer will.
Also, he's the ONLY non-human shichibukai, and he doesn't want to fight in the upcoming war, to the point he's willing to lose the title. its clearly against his interests. There's gotta be something going on there. maybe he joined for the sake of protecting something, or for the sake of not being harassed, or as a matter of respect to someone.
The sheer fact that he's got probelms with joining the impending war, and the fact that Oda's held off on Fishman island for so damn long (where most folks, myself included, always ASSUMED Jimbei would be) all make me think he's going to be a richer character with a more complicated backstory than Arlong was, a backstory that just couldn't have shown up earlier in the series. Considering that in the time since he was first mentioned we've met Tom, hachi's redeemed, and we've learned of the slave trade, Boa's backstory and the existence of Fisher Tiger, the signifigance of the sun tattoo, and the prosecution Fishmen seem to face on Shabondy (which is right next to Fishman island), and the fact that its become pretty clear at this point the SH crew ISN'T going to have to face and beat EVERY Shichibukai, and can even be on decent terms with them of a sort (Mihawk, Boa, and Kuma are all enemies that won't need to be fought in massive lengthy arcs o their own like Croc and Moria were) he's NOT going to just be a retread of Arlong. Thos entire last year has been full of extra details and background infromation about Fishmen and Mermaids and slavery that we've been given in little bits and pieces, and all of that makes Jimbei potentially more interesting and compelling.
It would be boring to get a SECOND fishman boss who keeps going on about their superiority to all humans, don't you think? Understand, I LOVED Arlong. Arlong was an awesome villain, one of my favorites, but to get a straight up retread of him, only stronger, would be incredibly dull. I really hope when we meet Jimbei there's more to him than "Fismen are better than humans, let me display this with violence, rarr!" It was GREAT for Arlong, but a sociopath fishman again? I hope Jimbei likes the color pink, delicate ceramic dolls, fruity drinks, and walks on the beach, and just happens to be able to destroy an armada with his raw strength.
Well, I actually don't hope for THAT specificually, thats just an extreme example. If Oda wants to make him a big scary brute fishmonster like Arlong was, I totally trust Oda can deliver a capable badass villain that way. But thats what people seem to want him to be, and I hope with all this buildup and devleoping racial back history, that he defies expectation and is written with better stuff than as just another brute fishman. Be nice to get a fishman with some honor, integrity, or possibly a spirit of fun in him.
Brilliant!
couldn't agree more, there really isn't anything to dicuss about Jinbei.. since we know so little. Let's wait for more chapters to come.
I knew Luffy's mom jokes would never die out… from now on every character we meet might be Luffy's mom and also they might join the crew.
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no i don`t think Crocodile is going to join the crew thats not gonna happen i mean why would a major villain join his arch enemys that would make no sense then again anything possible.
Tell that to Piccolo, Vegeta and Majin Buu.
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Cant't wait to see the Croc,Arlong,Roger Pirates? (xD, maybe lol),SAUL?!?!?(O_O),And other Strong Marine guys that'd be epic
I foresee
A Grandson and Grandpa fight
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Tell that to Piccolo, Vegeta and Majin Buu.
I'd like to point out that your reading the wrong manga. :wassat:
