The longer Moria isn't showing up the greater his reappearance will be I think.I can't w8 till I see him again 
Although I'm afraid we saw the last of his ballon belly :sad:
Shichibukai strength
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This is what I think we're getting confused on, okay they may not be like the straw hats and it's subject to debate how or if they get stronger
but the statment in bold I completley agree with, actually I wasn't saying luffy would be underdog in fact I thought they would be on an even playing field I thought they'd just both power up their own way you know, but yes I say luffy will be
be on par as rivals with
Croc
Moriafriends with
hancock
jinbeiwill need to get stronger in order to fight
Mihawk (well zoro technically would fight him)
Donquixote Doflamingo
Kuma
Black Beard (who I think will be his ultimate rival, like white beard to roger is except without the friendship)and jinbei would be equal with luffy now I think, since him and croc are kinda shown to be close to each others level, the low end scale of the shichibukai
Eh, that all seems cool. Nothing big to argue about here.
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@$abZ:
He'll reappear and get one shotted like Orochimaru.
Moria was never 1hit KOed by anyone and I don't see that happening in the future either
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To me it looked like Jimbei defeated Moria with 1 hit…
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Moria needs to come back when it's night and he can use his shadow like he did in Thriller Bark.
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When Moria comes back, despite my thinking Oda was done with his character during the war, I hope he'll have a lot of growth. Showing us skinny Moria was a tease. I think it would be interesting to see Moria's fighting style if he were agile.
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I believe Moria will be back, and stronger than ever. I think Moria was complacent about the strength of his zombie armies, and as a result let his battle prowess dull. He is going to go back into the NW with some renewed focus and ambition. That beat down by Jinbei and Doflamingo made him realize the limits of his powers. Remember this guy fought a Yonkou and survived.
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When Moria comes back, despite my thinking Oda was done with his character during the war, I hope he'll have a lot of growth. Showing us skinny Moria was a tease. I think it would be interesting to see Moria's fighting style if he were agile.
After a Defeat, once can become stronger.
I guess moria have to feel defeat twice.Gotta correct myself
"I guess moria have to feel defeat 4 time"
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From what I've seen in the manga Croc is pretty much on par with Doruflamingo and Mihawk.
Though you die, La Resistance lives on!
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After a Defeat, once can become stronger.
I guess moria have to feel defeat twice.Everyone is a saiya-jin
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Well, the Crocodile that fought Luffy on Alabasta wasn't definately on that level, but who knows, he might have become stronger after Impel Down, physically and/or mentally
I doubt it, thoughI think he lost his temper and underestimated Luffy too.
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I think that's an excuse and that you're ignoring the whole point of the arc ;)
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Not exactly. The first two fights, Crocodile used his powers often and well, but Round Three, he lost his temper and went with the less-reliable hook.
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You mean the same less-reliable hook Crocodile tried to use against Whitebeard?
Sure thing, my friend, I assume Crocodile is so good he also lost his temper with Whitebeard and underestimated him -
You mean the same less-reliable hook Crocodile tried to use against Whitebeard?
Sure thing, my friend, I assume Crocodile is so good he also lost his temper with Whitebeard and underestimated himNo, generally when you limit yourself to one hand (i.e. a knife), usually you only fight with that and are easier to lead. Usually.
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Now that the plot is going to focus in the new world (controled by the Yonkou)
the shichibukais would be weaker against the few super novas that managed to arrive in the New World
even in the first half on the grand line..
we have tree top tiers (Mihawk,Don and Boa)
and one mid tier (kuma)When AP used to be good:
NEVER FORGET !!
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Moria lose to Jinbei? He only got hit that one time we saw. If that's a loss, then you'd have to say that Marco lost to Garp, Whitebeard lost to Kizaru, etc.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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I want to see a fight between jinbei and croc where there's a terrain with half desert and half water equal amounts of both
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I want to see a fight between jinbei and croc where there's a terrain with half desert and half water equal amounts of both
We're already shown water beats sand… so?
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Moria lose to Jinbei? He only got hit that one time we saw. If that's a loss, then you'd have to say that Marco lost to Garp, Whitebeard lost to Kizaru, etc.
Luffy lost to Coby, dude.
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and one mid tier (kuma)
Huge lol @Kuma being "mid tier"
Even the monster trio had a hell of a time defeating a Pacifista, while the real thing is way stronger because of his DF.Moria lose to Jinbei? He only got hit that one time we saw. If that's a loss, then you'd have to say that Marco lost to Garp, Whitebeard lost to Kizaru, etc.
Well, apparently the Jinbei vs Moria fight was just filler and is non-canon, so we can drop that by now. And where the hell did Kizaru even touch Whitebeard?
naruto was WAY MORE KICKASS after the timeskip
i mean to show his badassness, him and sakura managed to get the bell from kakashi. beating pacifista's is so lame compared to that awesomeness
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I still fail to see how people place Don as a Top tier or say he is Admiral level. He held Joz back because his power allowed them, but then is apparently on par with Croc since Croc's logia apparently protects him from wires. Obviously Don should be far more dangerous than Croc but if Oda wanted to imply he was top tier there would be no question or debate.
His time as an arc boss and defeat will be long before the final stages of the story where Kaidou, Teach, Akainu, go all out. Wouldn't be suprised if he is one of the earlier Arc bosses in the New World.
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I want to see a fight between jinbei and croc where there's a terrain with half desert and half water equal amounts of both
That's a beach. And if Jimbei can launch streams of water into the air I think Croc might be in trouble, just because he couldn't get out to sea.
I still fail to see how people place Don as a Top tier or say he is Admiral level. He held Joz back because his power allowed them, but then is apparently on par with Croc since Croc's logia apparently protects him from wires. Obviously Don should be far more dangerous than Croc but if Oda wanted to imply he was top tier there would be no question or debate.
His time as an arc boss and defeat will be long before the final stages of the story where Kaidou, Teach, Akainu, go all out. Wouldn't be suprised if he is one of the earlier Arc bosses in the New World.
I fail to see how we can make any realistic judgement on Don's power level when we don't know much about him. We suspect certain things, but still don't really know. His df must have some sort of weakness, or limiting factor, or he likely wouldn't have worked for the government. We don't know what that is, so its diffuclt to say overall how capable he is.
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I still fail to see how people place Don as a Top tier or say he is Admiral level. He held Joz back because his power allowed them, but then is apparently on par with Croc since Croc's logia apparently protects him from wires. Obviously Don should be far more dangerous than Croc but if Oda wanted to imply he was top tier there would be no question or debate.
His time as an arc boss and defeat will be long before the final stages of the story where Kaidou, Teach, Akainu, go all out. Wouldn't be suprised if he is one of the earlier Arc bosses in the New World.
you must also look at authors intent
for example was it you who talked about how most of crocs attacks were sweeps from the back, if you look at it that way sure croc wasn't great but I feel your thinking too much if the author has him clash with mihawk like that he's clearly trying to show he's strong that's what that scene is all about, I doubt oda made it well thinking "durr I'll just have him attack from a weird angle so people understand he's not that strong" your thinking too much about the logistics look at what the author "ODA" was trying to show with the scene
same with dofla every scene he was shown in was a testament to his power, every scene idk how people don't see him as top brass i think people want to look into the manga to realistically just read it again and see what the intentions are
once you start thinking about logic in one piece you lose cause that's just not how it runs that's my opinion anyways
EDIT: really bad explanation yes use logic just don't look too deep into things cause you start seeing things that aren't there or were not what the author meant to indicate
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Despite Don's lack of physical feats etc I'd say it's implied he's near or at least "top tier". His bounty, demeanor, and the fact he seems to be trusted with orders that came above Sengoku implies he not a normal member of the Shichibukai. In addition his powers are problematic and most definitely appear formidable, besides do you think he has remained mysterious for so long only to be weaker than Croc? I'm not sure about that.
Obviously none of that is definitive but he hasn't exactly been serious or had the intent to really put someone away so…
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Despite Don's lack of physical feats etc I'd say it's implied he's near or at least "top tier". His bounty, demeanor, and the fact he seems to be trusted with orders that came above Sengoku implies he not a normal member of the Shichibukai. In addition his powers are problematic and most definitely appear formidable, besides do you think he has remained mysterious for so long only to be weaker than Croc? I'm not sure about that.
Obviously none of that is definitive but he hasn't exactly been serious or had the intent to really put someone away so…
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Imo every Shichibukai except Moria and Mihawk is in equal Strenght.Moria being the weakest and Mihawk being the most powerfull.
Reason: Moria got beaten 3 times, by luffy jinbei and doflamingo
Reason 2 : Mihawk is the strongest swordman in One Piece world.While doflaminga gets order from higher places the reason mihawk doesnt is his personality and interests.Also if each Shichibukai had a duel with another one , i can see Croc losing to Boa and Jinbei if there is water around and maybe Kuma if his attacks can effect sand.But we also saw that Croc doesnt get effected by Doflamingos wires and we dont know if there are any other attacks Doflamingo can do.Also we can presume that croc can own moria.
We also dont know if DF users can imbue haki to things they create like if Mr.3 was able to use haki can he imbue it with haki?If thats possible then Doflamingo is really admiral level
I really want to see a Jinbei vs Boa and Kuma vs Doflamingo Fight.Thoose would be awesome.
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Well, apparently the Jinbei vs Moria fight was just filler and is non-canon, so we can drop that by now. And where the hell did Kizaru even touch Whitebeard?
Exactly.
It was sometime before Ace was killed ad Luffy's outburst.
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the fight was filler and non-canon? i am 100% positive i saw jinbei gut-punch moria in the manga. or was the fight extended in the anime?
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the fight was filler and non-canon? i am 100% positive i saw jinbei gut-punch moria in the manga. or was the fight extended in the anime?
He punched him. But was Moria KO or something. Was never shown. How many battles we have started at the war and we saw nothing of the outcome.
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Moria swung at Jinbei with a sword, Jinbei deflected it and then punched him. That's it. The anime had Moria drop to his knees and drop his swords.
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you must also look at authors intent
for example was it you who talked about how most of crocs attacks were sweeps from the back, if you look at it that way sure croc wasn't great but I feel your thinking too much if the author has him clash with mihawk like that he's clearly trying to show he's strong that's what that scene is all about, I doubt oda made it well thinking "durr I'll just have him attack from a weird angle so people understand he's not that strong" your thinking too much about the logistics look at what the author "ODA" was trying to show with the scene
So its ok to say Croc is on or close to Mihawk, Don, and even Akainu's level, which is what the guy I was responding to was trying to imply, but its not ok to look at what was actually going on in the scene and make the case that he is about as close to their level as Luffy?
And yes I do think Oda pays special attention to details in fights and pretty much the rest of the story. In that specific case not only was it a failed attack from the rear but Mihawk blocked with his hilt. Of course Croc fans or people who claim Mihawk has undeserved hype jumped the gun claiming Croc is on Mihawk's level and blocked the world's strongest sword with his hook when the blade and hook never made contact.
Not taking even little details into account gives an entirely illogical and a lot of the time wrong impression of what happened in a particular scene. Oda had Croc attack from the rear because it gives an inflated idea of Croc's attack speed had he attacked head on. Jet Gatling was child's play to Mihawk but Crocodile can survive close quarters with Mihawk? Oda made sure nobody paying attention would make such a claim.
same with dofla every scene he was shown in was a testament to his power, every scene idk how people don't see him as top brass i think people want to look into the manga to realistically just read it again and see what the intentions are
Not any more power than any other warlord. Thats is my entire point. People are classifying him close to Admiral level when none of his scenes indicate such strength. Don't see how they are strong testaments to power holding Joz back(maybe holding was all he could do to someone as strong as Joz), injuring Oars(so did Kuma and Moria; though shows he isn't reliant on powers), controlling nameless VAs(that just means they are weaker than Don), clashing with Croc(hint of limitations when powers are ineffective; decent in close combat regardless), or ambushing Moria with Pacifista. That hints to me it wouldn't be such an easy job without them, whereas an Admiral would destroy him, and probably Don, quickly.
EDIT: really bad explanation yes use logic just don't look too deep into things cause you start seeing things that aren't there or were not what the author meant to indicate
And who gets to decide what the author meant to indicate? Sounds like you just want me to overlook details that go against a popular held view, like Don't strength. I and many other readers keep track of many details and make accurate predictions all the time. Why exactly is it flawed to do so in these cases?
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I wish we knew more about the Yonkou…One piece has a least 600 more manga chapters to cover maybe even more that is how I see it , SO expect a good 7-10 years of One piece time to embrace it.It is so many questions we have.
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first of blackbeard might have killed don but i don't think oda would do that because more stuff to write about = more money
also croc got weaker because he hanged around in the weak part of the grand line (just like people can't run as far as when they are fat but when they are in good shape they can run longer and further)
however croc went to the new world he will get stronger he has a chance to be a blackbeard ally to
do you people remember luffy vs enel even thou enel had some haki luffys devil fruit allowed luffy to hit enel without haki and made it so enels fruit was pritty useless until he made a weapon with it or melted the gold onto luffys arm
now the same is with don except dons devil fruit is a counter to luffys because its a long range hard to see wires that cut luffy is not logia like croc luffys has to focus more on defence than he normally does and has to be careful when he attacks or he will lose a arm/leg even head
THATS JUST THE START! don will be controlling luffys crew and they will be fighting each other have some zoro luffy or brook both can cut however he might f up and send robin or nami whos attacks are useless on luffy
also it seems don has allyed crews that might fight the strawhats to he was talking about the piracy business was going good so he might be mini Yonkou type crew
it will be a very hard fight at the time when they do it the strawhats will get stronger from the fight and it will get them ready to fight others
fights in one piece are like levels but you need to get stronger from doing the lower levels before you have a chance against the higher levels the fight makes them stronger and this one will be a close win when they do it
it will be a nice fight to watch and thats all that matters right?
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first of blackbeard might have killed don but i don't think oda would do that because more stuff to write about = more money
Dude, i think you are understimating Don, That guy is one of the Strongest Shichibukai since Oda is keeping him for The New World, and Blackbeard is overatted, He isn't that strong even after getting WB's DF.
also croc got weaker because he hanged around in the weak part of the grand line (just like people can't run as far as when they are fat but when they are in good shape they can run longer and further)
Croc Vs Luffy….you guys are still believing that Croc was fighting at Full Power, Read well that Fight an dyou will understand that Croc was trying to prove to luffy his true Power as pirates and he hasn't used much his DF. but then he understimated Luffy too much and let his Guard down.
however croc went to the new world he will get stronger he has a chance to be a blackbeard ally to
Croc in the war stated himeself that he won't work with anyone.
now the same is with don except dons devil fruit is a counter to luffys because its a long range hard to see wires that cut luffy is not logia like croc luffys has to focus more on defence than he normally does and has to be careful when he attacks or he will lose a arm/leg even head
wires are hard to see ? thats where the CoO is handy. and Its not confirmed yet that Don is a DF user.
THATS JUST THE START! don will be controlling luffys crew and they will be fighting each other have some zoro luffy or brook both can cut however he might f up and send robin or nami whos attacks are useless on luffy
How many hands you think Don has ? i don't think he can control more than 2 people.
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How many hands you think Don has ? i don't think he can control more than 2 people.
We don't even know if he can control more than one.
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@Glatiator777
Dude, i think you are understimating Don, That guy is one of the Strongest Shichibukai since Oda is keeping him for The New World, and Blackbeard is overatted, He isn't that strong even after getting WB's DF.
Its not like the SH were a match for the other warlords pre-timeskips. Needed huge power-up to fight Moria. Couldn't beat Kuma. Boa&Jimbei are allies; likely couldn't beat pre-timeskip anyways, Mihawk&Teach much stronger than rest. Being saved for the NW just means taken out by Luffy alone with no outside help, power-up, or handicap for villain.
Croc Vs Luffy….you guys are still believing that Croc was fighting at Full Power, Read well that Fight an dyou will understand that Croc was trying to prove to luffy his true Power as pirates and he hasn't used much his DF. but then he understimated Luffy too much and let his Guard down.
Nonsense. He fought to the best of his ability and lost. Not fighting how you would have liked him to fight doesn't mean he wasn't trying to fight his best. That is why Oda had him whip out three previously unseen trump cards none of which worked. Even the chapter title says Luffy passed Crocodile up. Croco fans just love to make exucues to his perfectly legit loss while applying double-standards to Luffy losses.
We don't even know if he can control more than one.
He controlled Epicstache and some VA with glasses at the Shichibukai meeting.
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We don't even know if he can control more than one.
Not only what Ryuksgelus mentioned, but he also controlled Bellamy and Sarquiss back on Jaya…
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@Muda:
Not only what Ryuksgelus mentioned, but he also controlled Bellamy and Sarquiss back on Jaya…
Also two marines when he was first introduced in the conference room. Don maybe able to control one person per hand, or one person per finger. I personally feel his ability requires people to walk over invisible threads/wires he throws out to grab control of them. If planned correctly he should be able to control more then one.
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I'm fairly positive DoFlamingo only controlled one person at a time yet
He controlled one of the Marines, and the other defended himself
He controlled Sarquiss and Bellamy couldn't move, as he was already weakened
He controlled that giant guy and made him destroy everyone else
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1.the strongest is BB or maybe Doflamingo cause he cut down oars's feet like nothing.
2.then there's mihawk
3.jimbei
4.boa
5.crocodile
6.moriakuma doesn't count cause they created multiple versions of him so if i go with PX-0 i would be choosing a non-characteristic WEAPON, so i don't consider kuma as a shichibukai anymore.
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But since you included Crocodile, BB, and Moria, (all of which are no longer in the Shichibukai, if I remember correctly :o), shouldn't Kuma be put in there as well? xD
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Luffy could beat any of them by now… He just destroyed a Pacifista in one hit!
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Luffy could beat any of them by now… He just destroyed a Pacifista in one hit!
Hancock was doing the same thing
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Well, I'm glad chapter 601 counters the whole idea that "each pacifista is as strong as a shichibukai." In hindsight, most of these guys could probably slaughter these things in one hit as well. Especially Mihawk, who's at least as strong as Zoro by any estimation.
Ha, Whitebeard would have wrecked the entire army of these guys in the war if he actually got a chance. It really puts their power in perspective, that is assuming Luffy and co still aren't stronger many of the shichibukai/admirals.
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People actually thought that Pacifista were actually a threat to top tiers? It was obvious that they were nothing more than fodder to top tiers, considering that Hancock off-paneled a dozen of them and she isn't even a top tier fighter.
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People actually thought that Pacifista were actually a threat to top tiers? It was obvious that they were nothing more than fodder to top tiers, considering that Hancock off-paneled a dozen of them and she isn't even a top tier fighter.
How is she not a top tier fighter? She became a Shichibukai after one year of sailing. We've never even seen her get hurt.
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Agreed. I think people underestimate Hancock, all current evidence suggests that if she fights seriously there aren't too many people that could handle it. pre or post time skip.
Edit: i don't know about post time skip.
