Shichibukai strength

Neomaster121

@kuolio:

wasnt there a shichibaki that was mermand?

yes jembei hes unseen

Crimz

They would mostly vary alot in strength. I guess croc and moria are one of the weakest ones. Actually these thread is really easy to answer. If the Marines=Shichibukai=yonkous and the strawhats at this current level cant take out an admiral but can take out 2 shichibukais, the other 5 have to be really strong to pull up their power level to that of the yonkous and the marines that has 3 admirals + that stupid sengoku. So i guess that the shichibukais powers are really of great variance.

Anyway i would be placing my bet that Mihawk would be the strongest followed by BB. Afterall isnt he on the same level as Shanks and possible around Gol D Roger since Roger uses a sword as well?

AlmostLegendary

@kuolio:

wasnt there a shichibaki that was mermand?

@Neomaster121:

yes jembei hes unseen

um I think their is a different between fishman and mermaids…..

Crimz

@Neomaster121:

well if silver can harm logias with a sword with no df or seastone mihawk must be classed as the strongest shichibaki

bb wouldn't have joined them if he knew he was the strongest guy arrived

Mihawk
Flamigo
BB
Kuma
Moria
Croc

no clue oon jembei but im sure hes stronger than moria

Yeah Mihawk wouldnt be the strongest swordsman for nothing if he cant defend himself against Logia type. Like that how would he face Enel?

I would think Kuma is stronger than BB cause even though BB can nulify his DF, his bloody body made of whatever metal should be able to withstand the blow haha. Furthermore is teleportation abilities might be able to let me dodge BB's Blackhole

choperman

@Crimz:

Yeah Mihawk wouldnt be the strongest swordsman for nothing if he cant defend himself against Logia type. Like that how would he face Enel?

I would think Kuma is stronger than BB cause even though BB can nulify his DF, his bloody body made of whatever metal should be able to withstand the blow haha. Furthermore is teleportation abilities might be able to let me dodge BB's Blackhole

I don't agree with the BB idea, hogback even read in the newspaper he could be the turn of the era plus since they've got him they've decided to wage war on white beard which before he joined nobody would even consider… so i think he'd be at the top. Everything else you said I'd agree with

Moria

From what we really have seen, it would probably go something like

1. Mihawk
2. Kuma
3. Crocodile
4. Blackbeard
5. Moria

My reasoning for this is that Mihawk is obviously top tier, and he will probably eventually be surpassed, but he's the final enemy of Zoro… so yeah. Kuma has a ridiculously broken ability, so he's up there too. Crocodile was an impossible fight if you didn't know about the water or if you stumbled upon it by chance. He was far more dangerous than people think him for. Blackbeard, has a broken ability too, but from his fight with Ace, he got hit a few times with fire, and I know that he has a carefree personality, but in a fight, if he wasn't taking his opponent really seriously, he would probably get sliced in two or something. He IS powerful, but not as powerful as he could be. Last, Moria. I mean, he sort of relied on fucking everyone for his battles. If he was alone without Oz, or any of the Mysterious Four, he would be sort of annhilated. His brick bat and Doppelman could be beaten easily by a strong opponent, and then he just has his Shadows Asgard. Yes, its powerful as fuck, but its also really slow, so once again, a strong opponent could give him seriously devastating blows. Not to mention he would need a shitload of people around him for Shadows Asgard.

SabZ

It's interesting, because I think Moria would be extremely strong outside the Florian Triangle. As soon as he grabs you and removes your shadow, the sun does its job. I think Blackbeard is the strongest, as before he ate the Yami DF, he managed to scar even Shanks. Mihawk a close second. Donflamingo is third, no doubt. I strongly believe that the unknown Shichibukai and Jinbei are as strong as Kuma, or stronger. Finishes with Crocodile as the weakest.

Neomaster121

@$abZ:

It's interesting, because I think Moria would be extremely strong outside the Florian Triangle. As soon as he grabs you and removes your shadow, the sun does its job. I think Blackbeard is the strongest, as before he ate the Yami DF, he managed to scar even Shanks. Mihawk a close second. Donflamingo is third, no doubt. I strongly believe that the unknown Shichibukai and Jinbei are as strong as Kuma, or stronger. Finishes with Crocodile as the weakest.

ur basing this on the idea that shanks is stronger than mihawk

cause if mihawk is over shanks then bb scraching shanks wouldn't put him over mihawk

SabZ

@Neomaster121:

ur basing this on the idea that shanks is stronger than mihawk

cause if mihawk is over shanks then bb scraching shanks wouldn't put him over mihawk

Well, with two arms, I assume that Mihawk and Shanks were equals. To be honest, Shanks is as Yonkou level now, and he's still one of the strongest. Blackbeard gave Shanks on hell of a scar, BEFORE he ate one of the most powerful fruits introduced. It's difficult to say who is stronger between Mihawk and Blackbeard, because one is a swordsman and the other isn't, but just because the Blackbeard/ Shanks clash… I'd say Blackbeard is stronger.

sabret00the

all i know is that NW Shichibuiki > Red Line Shichibuiki >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mugiwara > Grandline Shichibuiki.

Neomaster121

@$abZ:

Well, with two arms, I assume that Mihawk and Shanks were equals. To be honest, Shanks is as Yonkou level now, and he's still one of the strongest. Blackbeard gave Shanks on hell of a scar, BEFORE he ate one of the most powerful fruits introduced. It's difficult to say who is stronger between Mihawk and Blackbeard, because one is a swordsman and the other isn't, but just because the Blackbeard/ Shanks clash… I'd say Blackbeard is stronger.

Mihawk world strongest swordsmen
Shanks and him had daily duels

bb gave shanks a scar on his face what interesting is that shanks says it still hurts

silver shown that with a sword you can cut logia
Mi hawk as world strongest swordsmen can't be far off the world strongest man in terms of power and skill

just because he uses a sword doesn't take away from his power same thing goes for df users

Zoro had his many swordmen battles has shown swordsmen in op world tend to have high strength lvls if they are strong to

but whos to say shanks lost the battle when he got the scar from bb and if ur putting bb over mihawk cause he beat shanks well theres no proof of shanks loosing to bb

plus ace seemed to do well against bb even if he did loose

to me wb shanks bb and Mihawk will be the last players in the field for luffy and Zoro and bb still has a way to go otherwise he wouldn't have ran from ace as soon as he got his df powers

alekosss_kenpachi

more or less i am with neomaster…and moreover in my opinion doflaming must be one of the most dangerous characters based on his powers and his character :D

phyrros

@Captain:

People read too much into Blackbeard's power, to be honest. His power is darkness. Specifically, black holes, gravity, absorption (i.e. the aforementioned black holes, and possibly how the color black absorbs sunlight), that kind of thing. Nothing else has been shown, and honestly, that's probably the realm it'll stay in. Logia powers in OP usually stick to one theme, and then, if the user masters it, they get a "related" power (i.e. Enel generating heat to reshape metals, Crocodile absorbing moisture, etc.).

But gravity is the only "power" which cannot be stopped nor reflected. If it wasn't for Ace body BB could simply have him sucked in and disintegrated and exactly because of this BB is the strongest villian OP will ever see..

Neomaster121

@phyrros:

But gravity is the only "power" which cannot be stopped nor reflected. If it wasn't for Ace body BB could simply have him sucked in and disintegrated and exactly because of this BB is the strongest villian OP will ever see..

rephase

bb will become the strongest villan we've ever seen hes not yet

bb can be hurt and cut n at his current strength lvl physically hes not ready but i agree that he will become the strongest villan we have ever seen

choperman

@Neomaster121:

rephase

bb will become the strongest villan we've ever seen hes not yet

bb can be hurt and cut n at his current strength lvl physically hes not ready but i agree that he will become the strongest villan we have ever seen

well you could very well be right (probably are) but I think we still haven't seen the full extent of his powers… I think when the Shichibukai vs White beard's pirates will see him use everything... I think He'll be the strongest guy in the whole manga (I think he'll beat white beard) and I think him and Luffy will probably unlock hidden power they get from the will of D and fight to be known as the strongest + king of the pirates (maybe they'll tell us that's why Roger was so strong because he could use and control his will of D. I'd still really like to see how roger fought) as to how the will of D could make them stronger I still don't know (it would be sick if it could give luffy a new form

Herr Krokodil

is there a reason people think Morai and Crocodile are the weakest other than the've been beaten?

AlmostLegendary

@Herr:

is there a reason people think Morai and Crocodile are the weakest other than the've been beaten?

nope but only the strong survive.

Ubiq

@Neomaster121:

rephase

bb will become the strongest villan we've ever seen hes not yet

bb can be hurt and cut n at his current strength lvl physically hes not ready but i agree that he will become the strongest villan we have ever seen

Not physically ready? Teach was nearly killing Ace with off-balance, glancing hits; the guy is far and away one of the physically strongest characters in the entire series. The main reason Teach isn't already the strongest person in the world is that he hasn't finished constructing his crew, but needs about six more people first. Five if Stronger counts.

Neomaster121

@Ubiq:

Not physically ready? Teach was nearly killing Ace with off-balance, glancing hits; the guy is far and away one of the physically strongest characters in the entire series. The main reason Teach isn't already the strongest person in the world is that he hasn't finished constructing his crew, but needs about six more people first. Five if Stronger counts.

so ur using ace
wb number 2 and a logia who would have never been hit ever since he had his friuit

to say bb is the most strongest physically strong character in the series

are u a bb fan?

Ubiq

@Neomaster121:

so ur using ace
wb number 2 and a logia who would have never been hit ever since he had his friuit

to say bb is the most strongest physically strong character in the series

One of them at any rate.

Don't forget that Luffy pointed out his inability to beat Ace even before the latter got his Devil Fruit. Not to mention the fact that Van Augur also offered fight commentary pointing out that Ace wasn't only strong because of his Devil Fruit, but was a capable fighter in his own right. So it's not like he was fighting somebody utterly incapable without his Devil Fruit.

Every Logia to date has been a physical powerhouse in their own right even without their Devil Fruit; Ace is no exception. Despite that, Teach sent him flying through buildings without too much trouble.

are u a bb fan?

The avatar would suggest that, yes.

Neomaster121

@Ubiq:

One of them at any rate.

Don't forget that Luffy pointed out his inability to beat Ace even before the latter got his Devil Fruit. Not to mention the fact that Van Augur also offered fight commentary pointing out that Ace wasn't only strong because of his Devil Fruit, but was a capable fighter in his own right. So it's not like he was fighting somebody utterly incapable without his Devil Fruit.

Every Logia to date has been a physical powerhouse in their own right even without their Devil Fruit; Ace is no exception.

The avatar would suggest that, yes.

lol ic
but the problem is ace isn't the strongest person around so bb beating him doesn't make him the physically strong enough to take on wb

wb would probally beat ace in a 1 on 1 fight
shanks would
most of the 4 emperiors should ahve been able to beat ace

so you using the ace fire for your point is flawed

Malintex_Terek

Most of the Logias, anyway. Ener relied on his fruit a bit too much and let his physique deteriorate, though he was still strong in his own right. Just not "monster" level like Croc or Aokiji.

Ubiq

@Neomaster121:

lol ic
but the problem is ace isn't the strongest person around so bb beating him doesn't make him the physically strong enough to take on wb

wb would probally beat ace in a 1 on 1 fight
shanks would
most of the 4 emperiors should ahve been able to beat ace

so you using the ace fire for your point is flawed

It isn't the mere fact that he beat him so much as the fact that he did so fairly easily. Beyond that, the fact that the people you list are among the strongest in the series speaks well for Teach, especially seeing as how Ace hit him with a miniature sun in the end and still didn't kill him. The guy is tough.

@Malintex_Terek:

Most of the Logias, anyway. Ener relied on his fruit a bit too much and let his physique deteriorate, though he was still strong in his own right. Just not "monster" level like Croc or Aokiji.

Ener relied too much on the Goro Goro Fruit for defensive purposes, but is still physically powerful. Not only did he shrug off many of Luffy's attacks early on, but he's the only person to date with the demonstrated ability to break seastone. And in an off-hand manner to boot.

Neomaster121

@Ubiq:

It isn't the mere fact that he beat him so much as the fact that he did so fairly easily. Beyond that, the fact that the people you list are among the strongest in the series speaks well for Teach, especially seeing as how Ace hit him with a miniature sun in the end and still didn't kill him. The guy is tough.

Ener relied too much on the Goro Goro Fruit for defensive purposes, but is still physically powerful. Not only did he shrug off many of Luffy's attacks early on, but he's the only person to date with the demonstrated ability to break seastone. And in an off-hand manner to boot.

but the people i listed are those who bb is afraid of and thats why he became a shichibaki n if hes afraid and he too knows he can't beat them yet shows thats he still yet to become the world strongest villian

Malintex_Terek

@Ubiq:

Ener relied too much on the Goro Goro Fruit for defensive purposes, but is still physically powerful. Not only did he shrug off many of Luffy's attacks early on, but he's the only person to date with the demonstrated ability to break seastone. And in an off-hand manner to boot.

He took Luffy's attacks very badly, and was noticeably winded after each successful hit. He seemed so allergic to pain he had a morale failure at the thought of getting hit again.

You're right about the seastone, but it was a small piece and it wasn't as…"concentrated" or "dense" I should say as seastone earlier in the series.

Before, the mere presence of it would cause weakness in addition to loss of powers...but by the time we got to Enies Lobby it just negated Devil Fruit abilities.

Seastone strikes me as like diamond, hard to cut but easier to shatter, though the kind of people who can shatter it easily (DF users) can't because it negates their abilities.

Gecko Moria

Here's what I think:

Blackbeard
Mihawk
Kuma
Crocodile
Moria (alone)

Not ranking Doflamingo since we haven't really seen his power yet.

Neomaster121

@Gecko:

Here's what I think:

Blackbeard
Mihawk
Kuma
Crocodile
Moria (alone)

Not ranking Doflamingo since we haven't really seen his power yet.

but u've seen mihawks full power?

Gecko Moria

no, that's what I THINK. He's probably near/at Yonkou level. Anyways, this is all speculative.

ysn

pointless really. there is no absolute power and fights in OP are much closer to HxH than to DB. The best doesn't always win, depends on the nature of the powers, the condition of the fighters, the circumstances…Interestingly though, this seems to break down at the top level of fighters in the OP universe, where DF really aren't absolute and personal power is much more so. Therefore on the highest level of OP the rankings must be much clearer than in the mid tier as DF have much less influence.

We've seen for a fact that DF can be nullified so they don't really matter that much on the top. Ergo the strongest fighters are those who don't depend on DF powers. Who have seen that is like that so far? Mihawk and BB for sure (BB's power is the stopping of opponent's power) and WB and Shanks probably. It follows that these are the strongest people we've seen so far. That also should answer where is Mihawk on the ladder of strength - on the top or very near. Much more so than the Morias or Kumas of the world. Doflamingo is a big question with his psichic/mind control/whateva power, we don't really know.

DarkHamster

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Mr. Lucci

@ysn:

pointless really. there is no absolute power and fights in OP are much closer to HxH than to DB. The best doesn't always win, depends on the nature of the powers, the condition of the fighters, the circumstances…Interestingly though, this seems to break down at the top level of fighters in the OP universe, where DF really aren't absolute and personal power is much more so. Therefore on the highest level of OP the rankings must be much clearer than in the mid tier as DF have much less influence.
.

I agree. I mean, there are numerous occasions where Luffy would've lost a fight, but didn't either because of his enemy's arrogance, or due to certain circumstances. Like his fight with Lucci, who could have won if he had taken the fight more seriously sooner.

Herr Krokodil

@Mr.:

I agree. I mean, there are numerous occasions where Luffy would've lost a fight, but didn't either because of his enemy's arrogance, or due to certain circumstances. Like his fight with Lucci, who could have won if he had taken the fight more seriously sooner.

that's true, both Crocodile and Moria lost do to both circumstances, thay both greatly underestimated Luffy and both had certain circumstanes that lead to there defeats, because luffy found out a way to exploit a weakness of theres, if eiher of them had seen luffy as a serious threat to there plans and decided to kill him out right they wouldn't have lost

phyrros

@Neomaster121:

rephase

bb will become the strongest villan we've ever seen hes not yet

bb can be hurt and cut n at his current strength lvl physically hes not ready but i agree that he will become the strongest villan we have ever seen

hard to say which tricks WB, Shanks and the other Yonkou (as well as Sengoku) have up their sleeves but BB devilfruit alone is flawless in terms of offensive power - a granted one-hit-kill against any enemy.

Kagetaka

Well to be truthful, I highly doubt any of them save possibly Moria have actually revealed their entire strength yet, and yet we know they're really powerful because of their status.

But yeah, I find Crocodile on the low end definetely, and Moria mid to low, and everyone else I'm uncertain on how to rank.

Captain Shmeckie

Again, how is Croc on the low end?! He's pretty much the only one in the series thus far whose power was almost completely made up of instant deaths. The guy had the touch of death, for crying out loud.

What I don't get is why people are so enamoured with Blackbeard, thinking he's the top dog in the whole series. Aside from his vulnerability, he's basically a superpowered Kirby that turns your power off if you touch him. Yeah, he's strong, but everyone keeps talking abotu how he's the second coming of Evil Jesus. Yeah, he's gonna be a big villains, and yeah, he's powerful as fuck, but the most powerful, or final villain?! Not by a longshot.

Also, the simplicity of people's logic astounds me sometimes. "Person A was beaten, but person B is still around. Person B is stronger!!!!!!!!!!"

@Captain:

What I don't get is why people are so enamoured with Blackbeard, thinking he's the top dog in the whole series. Aside from his vulnerability, he's basically a superpowered Kirby that turns your power off if you touch him. Yeah, he's strong, but everyone keeps talking abotu how he's the second coming of Evil Jesus. Yeah, he's gonna be a big villains, and yeah, he's powerful as fuck, but the most powerful, or final villain?! Not by a longshot.

He's a possible final villian because he embodies the antithesis of Luffy.

ysn

Antithesis? Not really. He is in fact the closest to Luffy we've seen so far. If we were looking for an anthithesis that would have to be Doflamingo and his new age stuff, which is the oposite of what Luffy believes in. I really think that the series villain will be the one to off Shanks and it could well be BB but its far from certain.

Zik

Yeah, he's gonna be a big villains, and yeah, he's powerful as fuck, but the most powerful, or final villain?! Not by a longshot.

Now I don't care for the BB d-riding either BUT there's like a 90% chance BB will be the final villain in OP. Unless Dragon turns out to be the bad guy. Oda would will really be throwing curve balls if BB wasn't. The only other options for final villain are the last unknown shichibukai, one of the 2 yonkous, possibly Sengoku, possibly the Gorusei, and then the outside chance of Oda creating another person to be the final villain. What makes BB the fav is Oda has been building up rep and back story in a similar manner he has done with Luffy.

Not to mention BB is a D. so he automatically has luck in fights and the power to always "persevere" lol.

but the people i listed are those who BB is afraid of and thats why he became a shichibukai n if hes afraid and he too knows he can't beat them yet shows that's he still yet to become the world strongest villian

When did BB actually say he was afraid of anyone in OP? He may have implied he's not ready or that it'd be dangerous to face them but I don't recall him outright saying I am scared to fight ______

Mr. Lucci

I'm actually hoping the last villain will be someone who hasn't been introduced yet.

Darkestsith6

BB was able to wound Shanks before he got his fruit. That already takes him to beast level. Now he also has one of the best fruits to go against logia-users.

What is not to like about his chances?

Malintex_Terek

@Captain:

What I don't get is why people are so enamoured with Blackbeard, thinking he's the top dog in the whole series. Aside from his vulnerability, he's basically a superpowered Kirby that turns your power off if you touch him. Yeah, he's strong, but everyone keeps talking abotu how he's the second coming of Evil Jesus. Yeah, he's gonna be a big villains, and yeah, he's powerful as fuck, but the most powerful, or final villain?! Not by a longshot.

Because Blackbeard's fruit is a conceptual Logia. It doesn't just have power over "darkness", it counts emptiness/vacuum/gravity in its dominion as well. The fruit's theme is an idea, and not just one idea, but several. Blackbeard can do almost anything with it.

Captain Shmeckie

We've seen it used once. Anything beyond that is conjecture and theory, and though this puts me in the minority around these parts, I don't do that theory stuff. Make up all the terms you can, we saw what it can do thus far, and until he desmonstrates anything beyond, or to the contrary, he is what he is; a rock-hard super-Kirby.

And really, saying Blackbeard's gonna be the final villain just because he's similar to Luffy is very small-minded, in my opinion. A cliche like that isn't Oda's style. Again, I'm sure he'll be a saga villain, but in all likelihood we haven't even seen the final villain. Honestly, he'll probably be beaten before Doflamingo enters the spotlight, since Blackbeard seems to be put into focus as a villain moreso and sooner than he is. That there's a guess, though, but it's really very implausable that Blackbeard is OP's final boss.

And how does scarring Shanks make him a beast? For all we know, he sucker-slashed Shanks before Shanks was Emperor-level. Again with the simple logic.

Khamolen

@Captain:

For all we know, he sucker-slashed Shanks

Especially if you ignore the part when Shanks specifically says he didn't.

Captain Shmeckie

He never said that. Just that he "wasn't careless".

ysn

which is the part where Shanks specifically says that he didn't ;)

Ubiq

@Neomaster121:

but the people i listed are those who bb is afraid of and thats why he became a shichibaki n if hes afraid and he too knows he can't beat them yet shows thats he still yet to become the world strongest villian

There's never been any sign that Teach is afraid of Shanks or his Yonkoh colleagues; if he's afraid of anybody, it's Whitebeard, but the fact that Teach keeps taking down Newgate's men says that he isn't particularly afraid of the consequences. If anything, we have more evidence that Shanks is afraid of or, at the very least, intimidated by Teach than the other way around.

Far as becoming a Shichibukai goes, we don't really know what Teach is up to yet. For all we know, that might simply be a temporary solution for how Teach is to cross the Redline as well as a way to legally collect a bounty large enough for him to buy a proper ship as well as anything else he'll need to set out to become Pirate King.

@Malintex_Terek:

He took Luffy's attacks very badly, and was noticeably winded after each successful hit. He seemed so allergic to pain he had a morale failure at the thought of getting hit again.

It's been a while since I read that particular arc so I'll have to review that. I seem to recall making a list one time of the attacks Luffy used on him before Ener got annoyed enough to throw him off the Maxim and coming out with quite a few attacks on it.

You're right about the seastone, but it was a small piece and it wasn't as…"concentrated" or "dense" I should say as seastone earlier in the series.

It's been a while, but I'm fairly certain that we see a clear cross section of the jetskate that shows it's made of thick fairly layers of two different materials with the uppermost layer having the same appearance as the seastone cage at Rain Dinners. So it's a fairly large piece compared to say, the tip of Smoker's jutte or comparable in size to the seastone cuffs we saw in Enies Lobby.

Before, the mere presence of it would cause weakness in addition to loss of powers…but by the time we got to Enies Lobby it just negated Devil Fruit abilities.

Seastone strikes me as like diamond, hard to cut but easier to shatter, though the kind of people who can shatter it easily (DF users) can't because it negates their abilities.

Strictly speaking, seastone didn't always cancel powers. If it did, Usopp would have fallen through the clouds and all the way to the Blue Sea below.

Anyway, seastone is extremely resilient to being crushed or broken as well; for evidence, look at what happens to that bananadile in chapter 175 when it tries to crush the cage with its jaws.

@Captain:

Again, how is Croc on the low end?! He's pretty much the only one in the series thus far whose power was almost completely made up of instant deaths. The guy had the touch of death, for crying out loud.

People just don't give Crocodile much credit for no reason other than the oft-cited "Well, Luffy beat him already". They never take into account the fact that he's the only Shichibukai seen to date with a sure-fire, "one-hit-an-Admiral" technique in the form of Barchan. A person with a water-based Logia like Aokiji isn't going to fare that well if he gets dehydrated. Moria's shadow stealing would also be an instant kill if he did it in direct sunlight, but that requires a bright enough light source and his scissors.

What I don't get is why people are so enamoured with Blackbeard, thinking he's the top dog in the whole series. Aside from his vulnerability, he's basically a superpowered Kirby that turns your power off if you touch him. Yeah, he's strong, but everyone keeps talking abotu how he's the second coming of Evil Jesus. Yeah, he's gonna be a big villains, and yeah, he's powerful as fuck, but the most powerful, or final villain?! Not by a longshot.

Beyond the fact that Teach is already proving the catalyst for some of the most important developments in the series, it's hard to imagine why he would have a crew with personalities that are mirror opposites of their respective counterparts within the Straw Hats if Oda wasn't intending to do something big with them in the long run. Nor would he have went to such lengths in his introductions of them if they weren't important characters. I've always liked the Jaya Arc for the sheer amount of work that went into it; Oda consistently shows how big the Blackbeard Pirates are while deliberately not calling attention to it until the scene where he introduces them all by name. The fact that Lafitte actually predates his counterpart Brook by over two hundred chapters also says a lot to me about how Oda has planned out his characters.

Moreover, the historical Blackbeard is Oda's favorite pirate; it seems unlikely that such a character would be realitively unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

Zik

He never said that. Just that he "wasn't careless".

How can you be sucker punched(clawed) in a fight AND at the same time not be careless? or if what you suggest that the whole event was him sucker punching him, how can that happen if you are not being careless in a normal setting? C'mon I dunno how else you want Shanks to say it, he wasn't sucker punched when he got that scar.

W/e the situation between BB and Shanks he didn't get sucker punched but we know it was some type of fighting exchange between the two. If Shanks got sucker punched then he is lame. That's like a situation where the reason you wear an eye patch is cuz somebody had an off game in darts.

I dunno if you just don't like BB's character overall and just are against him but to say it's unlikely or a long shot for him to be a final boss in OP is just foolish. Not to mention Oda's favorite real life pirate is BB but maybe that has nothing to do with BB being the final villain? meh. There's a good chance BB might be the final villain, just deal with that possibility.

As for the fight overall that's not a good enough reason to say BB is strong. This happened before the 10 years Shanks spent on Luffy's island, to me he wasn't a yonkou then and wasn't as strong as he is now.

Khamolen

Stephen's version of the line:

This scar was given to me
by YOUR man, "Blackbeard" Teach…!!
And it was not a cheap blow taken by surprise.

Fairly unambiguous I think.

If scarring Shanks wasn't a big deal, then why would he even bring it up? You're accusing people of "simple logic," but Shanks' lines then were a very straightforward way of telling readers how strong Blackbeard is. The real problem is that you're overcomplicating things, not that everyone else is looking at it too simply.

Captain Shmeckie

You accuse me of "overcomplicating" things, yet just from that line you assume Blackbeard is incredibly strong. Again, we don't know the circumstances, or how strong either of them were at the time. That's what I've seen saying. We only know that Shanks knows that Blackbeard is dangerous, and that Ace would be in danger if he fought him.

As for Ubiq's post, I fully agree that Blackbeard is gonna play a major role in the series. I'm more than positive he'll be a major antagonist down the line, as well. I just highly doubt he's going to be the final villain of the series.

ultimec1a

To me the strongest members shown so far are

1. Kuma
2. Blackbeard
3. Crocodile
4. Moria.

The rest I do not know enough about them to make an accurate and unbiased opinion on their level of power.