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Also during Fishman Island when Luffy used CoC to KO 50 000 fishmen on panel with Hody
http://img.batoto.net/comics/2012/04/28/o/read4f9be620c748f/img000015.png
Hody noticed that something like shockwave made him move a little. Like a strong physicall wind or shockwave from explosion.
So Luffys CoC is already on level where he starts to physically affect surrounding in more direct way. Maybe he is not yet cracking stuff with it but he seems to be on his way to that level.

Pretty sure he simply got slighty affected.

maxpower69

@desa:

I remember Aokiji saying it was because Whitebeard was a quakeman.

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Pretty sure he simply got slighty affected.

They also said Whitebeard didn't have Conquers Haki. So it's possible that Conquers could be used like that. But yeah Aokiji said Whitebeard couldn't be frozen because of the shockwaves running through his body.

Razh

@desa:

I remember Aokiji saying it was because Whitebeard was a quakeman.

We were talking about how Shanks cracked the wood on Moby Dick with his haki when he came to visit Whitebeard. It's on this page.

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@benjamminbrown:

There's plenty of precedents in the manga for breaking things with physical strength, too.

Like when Luffy and Zoro broke out of their tight spots back in Water 7.

Or am I missing some obvious example of when someone broke out of a skin tight restraint with specifically Color of the Conqueror Haki?

As we mentioned on this very page, CH is proven to be able to cause physical damage. I don't think someone can just break the ice when they are frozen like that. We had some people who were arguable stronger than Dofla (I mean physically, to avoid possible "correction replies") frozen and they couldn't do shit. Saul and Joz, for example. Whitebeard even freed with his ability, not with his strength.

RobZilla

@maxpower69:

They also said Whitebeard didn't have Conquers Haki. So it's possible that Conquers could be used like that. But yeah Aokiji said Whitebeard couldn't be frozen because of the shockwaves running through his body.

Who said Whitebeard didn't have Conqueror's haki?

Schabrak

Each and every Yonkou obviously has CoC. Someone didn't pay attention to Don Chinjao's words at all .

vagabond87

I started some time ago watching Hunter x Hunter 2011 anime and I am very suprised at how some ideas when it comes to haki were taken from it.
Nen and stuff was in Hunter x Hunter years before haki. Oda did it slightly different but its almost impossible he didnt took ideas for haki usage from Hunter x Hunter.

Darth

I started some time ago watching Hunter x Hunter 2011 anime and I am very suprised at how some ideas when it comes to haki were taken from it.
Nen and stuff was in Hunter x Hunter years before haki. Oda did it slightly different but its almost impossible he didnt took ideas for haki usage from Hunter x Hunter.

I'm quite sure that the idea in and of itself is much older than that…

vagabond87

@Darth:

I'm quite sure that the idea in and of itself is much older than that…

Hunter x hunter is based on manga that started in 1998.
And I dont think that aura-spirit related stuff from Hunter x Hunter was shown later than around 2005(I might be wrong though). So its quite a few years before haki was shown or even hinted in One Piece.

King Cannon

Hunter x hunter is based on manga that started in 1998.
And I dont think that aura-spirit related stuff from Hunter x Hunter was shown later than around 2005(I might be wrong though). So its quite a few years before haki was shown or even hinted in One Piece.

The concept of Mantra was introduced in 2002.

We also had Blackbeard mentioning "ambition" during Jaya (I think Greg can confirm this).

And we had Shanks scaring Sea Kings all the way back to 1997.

Schabrak

Let's not act like the concept of those different haki powers weren't present in other manga to some degrees before OP too. Only CoC is rather unique.

Darth

Hunter x hunter is based on manga that started in 1998.
And I dont think that aura-spirit related stuff from Hunter x Hunter was shown later than around 2005(I might be wrong though). So its quite a few years before haki was shown or even hinted in One Piece.

I'm well aware. I just suggest that the concept itself is much older than that. Chinese Qi comes to mind.

vagabond87

@King:

The concept of Mantra was introduced in 2002.

We also had Blackbeard mentioning "ambition" during Jaya (I think Greg can confirm this).

And we had Shanks scaring Sea Kings all the way back to 1997.

Sure Mantra was mentioned long ago but it was around very same time if not slightly after we gotten to see concept of spirit-soul related power in Hunter x Hunter.

Its as Schabrak said, only CoC is really unique and now I look at CoA hardening a bit differently(in better way I think).
I mention this here as I was really suprised at how close those 2 concepts in 2 mangas are- they feel different but they are VERY alike at least at basic level that I seen in HxH till now.

@Darth:

I'm well aware. I just suggest that the concept itself is much older than that. Chinese Qi comes to mind.

Do you read/ watch HxH?

Darth

Do you read/ watch HxH?

I don't, but I have a brother that obsesively does, so I'm fairy knowledgeable about how the Nen works. While they are some similarities, I think this sort of mystical buffing energy is common enough to we cannot really claim Oda taking inspiration from HxH.

Flipper Pride

In the end, the best Haki will always down the best Devil fruit, its user and the extent to which they can take their Devil fruit.

Magi

@Schabrak:

Each and every Yonkou obviously has CoC. Someone didn't pay attention to Don Chinjao's words at all .

Chinjao never implied that. Don't twist his words around.

Shadowgreed

Chinjao never implied that. Don't twist his words around.

Chinjao said just that!

Magi

Chinjao said just that!

No he didn't. He didn't say anything like that.

Shadowgreed

No he didn't. He didn't say anything like that.

Then you didn't understand what he said at all!

Magi

Then you didn't understand what he said at all!

You're the one who apparently doesn't understand. Please enlighten me on how whatever he said had anything to do with all of the Yonko having CoC. I'll debunk it in a heartbeat.

Ordinary

Sure Mantra was mentioned long ago but it was around very same time if not slightly after we gotten to see concept of spirit-soul related power in Hunter x Hunter.

Its as Schabrak said, only CoC is really unique and now I look at CoA hardening a bit differently(in better way I think).
I mention this here as I was really suprised at how close those 2 concepts in 2 mangas are- they feel different but they are VERY alike at least at basic level that I seen in HxH till now.

Do you read/ watch HxH?

Nen is a refinement of Ki from Dragon Ball. Using aura to strengthen yourself? Feeling the presence of Ki? Both Mangas take inspiration from Dragon Ball.

_Hayato

Here ya go.

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Here's the script.

Chinjao said that after being attacked by CoA. If you ask me, Chinjao refers to Luffy as a brat because to him, Luffy seems like one of those over-confident newcomers, Blackbeard killed Whitebeard and put on a show. Also, more than likely, in that page he meant that having a bloodline like Luffy and Ace are brats that has had it easy in the world of Pirates. I'm not saying who's wrong or who's right since it's open to interpretation but If you're one of those whom interpreted that surpassing Admirals, Yonkou then Roger as having CoC, sure that's reasonable, but if you interpreted it as all those that has been listed by Chinjao has to have CoC, then that means Admirals of the Marines who has never shown to have it, should have CoC.

I'm not saying that Admirals can't have CoC but if you look at the Marines, not all of them can use Haki. This is most likely due to the fact that their mentality is different because the Marines doesn't promote much individual thinking, being an organization which work as a group. This serves as a contrast to Pirates whom of which represents freedom, or as Roger have said "I am not interested in 'domination' Shiki! There is no need to be a pirate if you can't do what you want, right?". It's further explained by looking at the Marines who can use Haki, those of which with status that comes from a higher rank in the hierarchy with their sense of justice and those with their own individuality.

CP9 and other government agents are also similar to this, which is why I believe they rely on Rokushiki instead of something as unreliable as willpower, but of course those with higher ranks do unlock Haki, but it's usually later than those whose kept their own individuality/sense of justice (like comparing Z and Coby). While CP9 did not work as a group, they did have some individuality which showed through their own style of Rokushiki techniques and Rob Lucci having "dark justice". As far as freedom goes however, CP9 was anything but, being raised as assassins since an early age, which is why I believe the development of Haki is possible for them after leaving the organization.

madriano

I don't see how that implies anything.

Magi

Here ya go.

I don't see how that references the 4 Yonko having CoC. When Chinjao started talking about CoC not once did he mention the 4 Yonko. "Chinjao: Hyahohoh… So you command the Sovereign Haki, eh...? / Do you dream of becoming a King, boy...? Luffy: ......... // I'm gonna be the Pirate King!!! 5 Chinjao: Worthless prattle!! In the oceans that stretch out before you... / ...you'll run into any number of men with kingly potential. // Only one can emerge victorious...!! / A still greater height that even these conquering Kings must bitterly struggle to reach... // THAT is the Pirate King!!!'

Omni

Well we know Shanks has it and Whitebeard had it. Since it literally means ambition I'd say it's safe to guess that the emperors have the most ambition and are deserving of CoC. I mean we can get technical and say that it's never been stated that Roger had it, but simply from what we know that the strongest willed pirates possess it is reasonable to believe they have it.

Now something I'd like some input on while I've been rereading the chapters. Kuzan stated that Doflamingo possesses the biggest threat to the New Marine Headquarters, if you sit idly by the things he sets into motion may never be undone. We know that Kuzan is working with Blackbeard and based on his dialogue with Smoker we know he knows the black market business aspect of things too. I'd propose that Doflamingo is going to be making some world altering changes when he get's taken out, or has started the process of it now.

_Hayato

@madriano:

I don't see how that implies anything.

Like I said, I'm not saying Admirals can't have it, but I'm explaining why they wouldn't.

I don't see how that references the 4 Yonko having CoC. When Chinjao started talking about CoC not once did he mention the 4 Yonko. "Chinjao: Hyahohoh… So you command the Sovereign Haki, eh...? / Do you dream of becoming a King, boy...? Luffy: ......... // I'm gonna be the Pirate King!!! 5 Chinjao: Worthless prattle!! In the oceans that stretch out before you... / ...you'll run into any number of men with kingly potential. // Only one can emerge victorious...!! / A still greater height that even these conquering Kings must bitterly struggle to reach... // THAT is the Pirate King

In my post, from Ch. 719, I only mentioned that it's possible not everyone Chinjao listed could have CoC.

You quoted Ch. 717 by Cnet I take it?
Here I'll help you out - from the same chapter.

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Obviously you're not stupid but by "Disposition of a King" Chinjao meant The King's Disposition = Color of Conquering King. Those who have it "know that they are common-place in the seas ahead". While Chinjao didn't say Yonko like you said, at least you can see why the Yonko (Four Emperors) would be easily assumed to have said King's Disposition, seeing as they are at the top among the half of the ocean where it's common-placed and obviously the one who rise at the top would be the Pirate King. It was also mentioned before that the Yonko make up the balance in the New World, in which Chinjao implied in this chapter that "Those Conquerors are the only thing holding each other back!!"

Magi

by "Disposition of a King" Chinjao meant The King's Disposition = CoC. Those who have it "know that they are common-place in the seas ahead". While Chinjao didn't say Yonko like you said, at least you can see why the Yonko (Four Emperors) would be easily assumed to have said King's Disposition, seeing as they are at the top among the half of the ocean where it's common-placed and obviously the one who rise at the top would be the Pirate King. It was also mentioned before that the Yonko make up the balance in the New World, in which Chinjao implied in this chapter that "Those Conquerors are the only thing holding each other back!

You're assuming too much. All he said was that haki is common in the new world. You've assumed almost everything you've said thus far. You took Chinjao's words and changed the meaning. And no, just because the 4 Yonko rule the NW it doesn't mean that they all have CoC. I'm not saying that they can't have it, just don't make things up and accept them as fact.

_Hayato

You're assuming too much. All he said was that haki is common in the new world. You've assumed almost everything you've said thus far. You took Chinjao's words and changed the meaning. And no, just because the 4 Yonko rule the NW it doesn't mean that they all have CoC. I'm not saying that they can't have it, just don't make things up and accept them as fact.

I like how you edited out my paragraph that contained "Obviously you're not stupid".

Anyway, I acknowledged it was an assumption, what I treated as facts was the basis of the "common assumption" people have about it but I won't argue further. If you used logic though, you admit that CoC is common-place in the New World but you don't want to accept that the Four Emperors who rules over and hold the balance IN the New World wouldn't at least have CoC. While I can imagine a Yonko that doesn't have CoC, your denial against the people who would easily assume the more likely opposite is a bit disturbing.

Magi

I like how you edited out my paragraph that contained "Obviously you're not stupid".

I edited it out because I'm limited to how many characters I'm able to type. I covered the gist of whatever you're saying. Why does it matter? Are you trying to insult me?

If you used logic though, you admit that CoC is common-place in the New World but you don't want to accept that the Four Emperors who rules over and hold the balance IN the New World wouldn't at least have CoC

Can you not read? I clearly said "I'm not saying that they can't have it". My argument is that Chinjao clearly didn't say a thing about the 4 emperors having CoC yet you're trying to claim he did. It doesn't matter if they rule over the New World? That says nothing about them having the ability. Hold balance? All they do is gain territory. Your argument has no basis and you've agreed that you're just assuming everything.

vagabond87

I edited it out because I'm limited to how many characters I'm able to type. I covered the gist of whatever you're saying. Why does it matter? Are you trying to insult me? Can you not read? I clearly said "I'm not saying that they can't have it". My argument is that Chinjao clearly didn't say a thing about the 4 emperors having CoC yet you're trying to claim he did. It doesn't matter if they rule over the New World? That says nothing about them having the ability. Hold balance? All they do is gain territory. Your argument has no basis and you've agreed that you're just assuming everything.

You try hard to be smartass but you seem to yet have quite a few things to think through as what you write doesnt hold up much sense from perspective.
Also being ignorant to some points that _Hayato made looks bad on your side. Yonko dont only hold teritiory but also hold the balance in new world so one of them doesnt grow to influental and dont start on getting a force that would make it possible for them to take on World Goverment.
One Yonkos crew- Whitebeards - was enough to take on marines. If people like Kaido, Shanks and Big Mom would not hold parts of New World for themselves and as if all strong pirates that roam through New World would not be split to 4 Yonkos then it would be bad- for example it would make allies of one killed Yonko to join up 3 others. Then there are very big chances for at least one of Yonkos growing to become real danger to World Goverment. Do you get it or you will still ignore it?
You just jump around forum, throw your few thoughts and at least here you ignore good argument of Hayato, he is not assuming but reading what Oda hints at you seem to not go over border what was blantly stated as it seems.

Chinjao words pointed towards the fact that there are many people in New World - with CoC - and that its common to meet strong pirates with that gift, he also said that at the very top of piracy those with that gift are only ones that hold each other in check so to say. So Chinjao pointed that those with CoC are at the very top. I expect likes of Kaido and Big Mom to have it, Shanks already has it.
Look at Dobremans reaction and his words about Luffy during WB war.

Doflamingo warned Vergo about Luffy as he said that he has even bigger potential than Law holds- because of CoC so its not so crazy to assume that people that hold New World by the balls all have that CoC gift. Beside all people having CoC as Chinjao named them all conquerors.

Shadowgreed

You're the one who apparently doesn't understand. Please enlighten me on how whatever he said had anything to do with all of the Yonko having CoC. I'll debunk it in a heartbeat.

. You really didn't get jack shit, did you? Chinjao did not only imply that ALL the Yonkous have Conqueror's Haki (He's Talking about Conquerors Haki, no Observatipn no Armament) but he also implied that ALL the pirates that make it to the submit are worthy of being called kings but only the stronger will become the king that rules the other kings.

To tap it all off, you think that the Yonkous are there just to gain territories that's like Boom, mind blowing.

senjuitama

Didn't rayleigh say something about the top people in world usually have Conquerors haki?

Flipper Pride

Umm.. The top tier characters are the people that are Luffys fellow conquerors. They will all fight against each other. The final conqueror left standing will be the pirate king. It's safe to assume that the Yonkou do have CoC.

Magi

You really didn't get jack shit, did you?

Why so angry? Don't tell me you're upset that I don't agree with your incorrect interpretation?

Chinjao did not only imply that ALL the Yonkous have Conqueror's Haki (He's Talking about Conquerors Haki, no Observatipn no Armament)

He didn't imply that at all. You're looking too far into it. Chinjao hasn't met all of the four emperors to determine if they all have CoC.

that ALL the pirates that make it to the submit are worthy of being called kings but only the stronger will become the king that rules the other kings.

That has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

To tap it all off, you think that the Yonkous are there just to gain territories that's like Boom, mind blowing

I didn't say they were only there to gain territories. Now you're twisting my words. The other guy claimed that because the Yonko maintain balance they must absolutely have CoC. My point was that they only maintain balance because the territories they govern benefit from the protection they provide.

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@senjuitama:

Didn't rayleigh say something about the top people in world usually have Conquerors haki?

He said that it can often be found in the type of people who make a name for themselves on a global scale. That doesn't mean that all people who've made a name for themselves have it. There are dozens of world wide famous pirates who don't have it. No one is saying that each of the four emperors don't have coC, just that some people need to stop taking it as fact based on misinterpreted statements. All you'll really see them say is that they're assuming.

Schabrak

You are up for one big amount of embarrassment in the future.

People with CoC are capable of bringing people around them. Big Mom, Kaidou and very likely Blackbeard have a huge amount of allies that support them, not only because they are fearsome, but because of their charisma, experience and power. Just like Luffy is gaining allies now, through a friendlier way though, but still with the same reasoning in mind.

v-die

@Schabrak:

You are up for one big amount of embarrassment in the future.

People with CoC are capable of bringing people around them. Big Mom, Kaidou and very likely Blackbeard have a huge amount of allies that support them, not only because they are fearsome, but because of their charisma, experience and power. Just like Luffy is gaining allies now, through a friendlier way though, but still with the same reasoning in mind.

Why? All he said is that you can't use that as a piece of confirmation. Most likely it is the case, but nothing in the story currently can be waved around as FACT.

Atleast that's how I understood it.

Edit: Fuck it, he spelled it out.

No one is saying that each of the four emperors don't have coC, just that some people need to stop taking it as fact based on misinterpreted statements. All you'll really see them say is that they're assuming.

Shadowgreed

Why so angry? Don't tell me you're upset that I don't agree with your incorrect interpretation?

This is the Internet, so I'm not upset and I won't be getting upset because a person on the Internet is not getting the message that the author is trying to send, as long I get it is OKEY.

He didn't imply that at all. You're looking too far into it. Chinjao hasn't met all of the four emperors to determine if they all have CoC.

Da fuck, Oda won't be feeding you with a spoon dude.

[quiote]That has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
That's the same exact shit dude you ain't getting anything, I'm starting to wonder how many more details have you missed.

I didn't say they were only there to gain territories. Now you're twisting my words. The other guy claimed that because the Yonko maintain balance they must absolutely have CoC. My point was that they only maintain balance because the territories they govern benefit from the protection they provide.

"Hold balance? All they do is gain territory." If that doesn't mean they're only there in order to gain Territory, I seriously don't know what it means. Choose your words wisely cuz I have no need to be twisting yours when you can do ti that by yourself.

Magi

"Hold balance? All they do is gain territory." If that doesn't mean they're only there in order to gain Territory, I seriously don't know what it means

I already told you that I'm limited to what I'm able to type so I have to shorten whatever I say. If you really want to get technical, what I said is really true anyways. The Yonko have only gained territories. Balance is simply a side effect of that. Even then they aren't maintaining the balance my themselves. The WG and Shichibukai are the only reason the balance can be kept. I'm not going to bother responding to the other stuff because you're either repeating your favorite catchphrase "you don't know" or you're talking about things that're irrelevant. @v-die:

Why? All he said is that you can't use that as a piece of confirmation.

I've finally come across an intelligent person that can actually read.

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@Schabrak:

You are up for one big amount of embarrassment in the future.

How so? I've already said several times that they could possibly have it. I'm not repeating myself again.

People with CoC are capable of bringing people around them. Big Mom, Kaidou and very likely Blackbeard have a huge amount of allies that support them, not only because they are fearsome, but because of their charisma, experience and power. Just like Luffy is gaining allies now, through a friendlier way though, but still with the same reasoning in mind.

People without CoC can do the same thing. You're seriously just grasping at straws at this point.

Flipper Pride

He didn't imply that at all. You're looking too far into it. Chinjao hasn't met all of the four emperors to determine if they all have CoC.

He's fought against Roger. What makes you think he hasn't met people like Kaido and Big Mom?

_Hayato

I edited it out because I'm limited to how many characters I'm able to type. I covered the gist of whatever you're saying. Why does it matter? Are you trying to insult me?

I know I said I wouldn't argue further but if I think of this as helping, I can live with that. The reason why I like that you edited it out is due to the fact that you pretty much insulted yourself. LOL

Can you not read? I clearly said "I'm not saying that they can't have it". My argument is that Chinjao clearly didn't say a thing about the 4 emperors having CoC yet you're trying to claim he did. It doesn't matter if they rule over the New World? That says nothing about them having the ability. Hold balance? All they do is gain territory. Your argument has no basis and you've agreed that you're just assuming everything.

You're the one who apparently doesn't understand. Please enlighten me on how whatever he said had anything to do with all of the Yonko having CoC. I'll debunk it in a heartbeat.

I also find it pretty amusing that you mention something as bold as debunking Chinjao not even hinting that the Yonko all have CoC but ALL you're holding onto is "it's not confirmed" then "I'm not saying they can't have it"….. but hey, I suppose by that logic, we should not come to a conclusion on our own about anything in One Piece, no theories anymore everyone. Safe bets too are out apparently.

"Disposition of a King" Chinjao meant The King's Disposition = Color of Conquering King. Those who have it "know that they are common-place in the seas ahead". While Chinjao didn't say Yonko like you said, at least you can see why the Yonko (Four Emperors) would be easily assumed to have said King's Disposition, seeing as they are at the top among the half of the ocean where it's common-placed and obviously the one who rise at the top would be the Pirate King. It was also mentioned before that the Yonko make up the balance in the New World, in which Chinjao implied in this chapter that "Those Conquerors are the only thing holding each other back!!"

"at least you can see why the Yonko (Four Emperors) would be easily assumed to have said King's Disposition" - where in this sentence/paragraph is MY own personal assumption?

I now highly doubt you even know what "basis" means, the basis in this paragraph are on the following parts that I will now put in bold just for you.

"Disposition of a King" Chinjao meant The King's Disposition = Color of Conquering King. Those who have it "know that they are common-place in the seas ahead". While Chinjao didn't say Yonko like you said, at least you can see why the Yonko (Four Emperors) would be easily assumed to have said King's Disposition, seeing as they are at the top among the half of the ocean where it's common-placed and obviously the one who rise at the top would be the Pirate King. It was also mentioned before that the Yonko make up the balance in the New World, in which Chinjao implied in this chapter that "Those Conquerors are the only thing holding each other back!!"

The bold parts took most of the paragraph but apparently there's no basis in my argument…

That says nothing about them having the ability. Hold balance? All they do is gain territory.

This is most likely the problem. Let me walk you onto something real quick.
This is regarding the meaning of all the three colors of Haki.

[Quoting C.A. again] "The words Ha and Ki, meaning 'dominate' and 'air'. Together you can make out something like 'air of dominance/atmosphere of fear' or better phrased, 'Aura of dominance/supremacy' or 'Aura of fear/terror'."

"覇気(はき) (haki): Aura of fear/dominance. The word '覇', means dominance, ruling over others, supremacy."

Feel free to look up the definitions of any of the following words I'll say at this point. The King's disposition/CoC especially, from all the usage we've seen matches that previous quote definition - with 'fear'/'terror' possibly being the key to hurting Logia (CoA) and with the 'air'/'aura' being able to detect the impression(which by synonymous definition means premonition)/the presence of others (CoO).

Now, from the words 'dominance', 'supremacy', 'fear'/'terror' and 'air'/'aura', together makes the disposition of a King - in the end, with the King of all the competing Kings being the Pirate King. Let me quote Roger again (who is similar to Luffy) "I am not interested in 'domination' Shiki! There is no need to be a pirate if you can't do what you want, right? No matter the pressure, I will never accept Golden Lion".

Hope at the very least you understood where I was coming from, if you don't, feel free to talk to yourself.

Magi

@Flipper:

He's fought against Roger. What makes you think he hasn't met people like Kaido and Big Mom?

Chinjao never claimed he fought roger.

Flipper Pride

Chinjao never claimed he fought roger.

Umm, yes he pretty much did. He fought in that sea. Roger was in that sea. He seems to know about Rayleigh so why not Roger?

He has been around for 30 years + I am very sure he has encountered the Roger pirates.

Magi

@Flipper:

Umm, yes he pretty much did. He fought in that sea. Roger was in that sea. He seems to know about Rayleigh so why not Roger?

He has been around for 30 years + I am very sure he has encountered the Roger pirates.

After this post I'm done. I just can't with you people. You somehow got the idea that Chinjao fought Roger just because he encountered Rayleigh(which could have been at any given point after Rayleigh became a pirate) and that he met the current four emperors (which wouldn't have been possible since he quit his life of piracy after garp smashed his skull in).

vagabond87