maybe Ussop is to negative to feel Haki??? LOL Peronafight was lame
General 'Haki' Discussion
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or maybe usop has a strong haki?!
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lol usopp abition i to be brave i doubt he will have haki and if he did it wouldn't be a strong one maybe booting the strength of his shooting attacks
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Shanks knocked out all that were too weak on WB's ship using, his haki, but while strong, he didn't do it with the control of Rayleigh. Rayleigh did it to people in an auditorium and exempt the SH from it. Rayleigh is stronger than Shanks, although Whitebeard is still stronger.
The flaw in this logic is that Shanks didn't care who was hit. He just let it flow.
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maybe Ussop is to negative to feel Haki??? LOL Peronafight was lame
heh. Maybe Usopp has a very rare case of "Negative Haki" and his presence nullifies Haki.
(I'm joking)
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Rayleigh targeted anybody who wasnt a strawhat or their comrade in that room.
The strength of his Haki could me measured by seeing how strong the guy in Laws crew who almost fainted is…as he was basically on the edge and as someone above me stated Shanks probably just released it without even trying to focus it...so again to know how strong his haki is we would need to know the strength of people who were on the edge of fainting. If we even knew who they were...
thats my take on it anyway
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but usop can have a strong haky it is really possible
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The flaw in this logic is that Shanks didn't care who was hit. He just let it flow.
True, Shanks was on the enemy ship, but why attack the ship itself?
Still, it's unclear how much control Shanks has over his haki, but Rayleigh definitely has shown that he can single out targets at will, as well as attack multiple targets.
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Do we actually have an fanfficial term for Haki, aside for Ambition, because that kinda sounds like he's wanting some kind of desk job somewhere …
Personally I think
Aura
Presence
InfluenceAre good terms, But I think Aura is my favourite
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from what Haki do, I'll say it's a "Spirit"
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True, Shanks was on the enemy ship, but why attack the ship itself?
Still, it's unclear how much control Shanks has over his haki, but Rayleigh definitely has shown that he can single out targets at will, as well as attack multiple targets.
although shanks is probably brimming with haki, i think he was showing off a bit.
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Rayleigh did it to everyone in the auditorium. The SH are not weak in spirit. Read more carefully.
Rayleigh is stronger than Shanks? Says who? Rayleigh is old. Shanks is in his prime. How are you making this comparison?
And how do you know Whitebeard is still stronger now? He's also old. He even has health issues. Who knows if he'll die in the middle of his next fight.
uhh let me answer it, He's considered the strongest man in the world age does not matter here.
EDIT: Shanks showing off? lol, even if it was me i would've never left my guard open especially when it's up against a strong one.
And who says WB's other crew are weak? Read Please. Whitebeard Clearly said it "Is that something a guy who shows up w/ his spirit all out says?" means pertaining to physical strength he used full power of haki against WB crew and look nearly 3/4 of WB crew never fainted. (that shows how strong and willpowered WB's crew are.).
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Still, it's unclear how much control Shanks has over his haki, but Rayleigh definitely has shown that he can single out targets at will, as well as attack multiple targets.
Shanks will have amazing haki probably. When he entered White beards ship, the higher ups there said : "His spirit is strong as ever" and "you guys with half-assed resolution won't be able to stand being in the presence of that man" and Rayleigh did this too off course BUT an actionhouse where most people are pretty weak is a different matter then Whitebeard's ship I reckon. Also SHanks said when baording the ship that he was boarding an enemy ship so he made a bit of a thread as to let the WB crew know not to mess with him. (all chapter 434)
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but i honsetly doesn't get Shanks, why did he full bursted haki and clashed with WB when he SPECIFICALLT told Rockstar NOT to cuase any problems?
Such a hypocrate
I mean, he cares for Ace, right? why is he acting like a offensive bump?
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Though he certainly didn't let Rockstar down easy after the humiliation the latter received aboard Newgate's ship, I doubt Shanks forgot about it completely; when he came on board himself, he was ready to make people angry and make them look foolish. Both of which he did by knocking out any number of Whitebeard's crew and asking Marco if he wouldn't rather join the Red Hair crew. He doesn't take people hurting his friends lightly, after all. Even if it is just their feelings that got hurt.
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Aisa is the thried posessor of the King's Haki, she's a natural
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Aisa is the thried posessor of the King's Haki, she's a natural
Mantra = Hakimantra may be a form of haki
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Exactly, but since then we have seen Luffy do it unintentionally, Rayleigh do it, and Shanks do it – all with the same exact effect, and all without much explanation really. That's why I am suggesting there might have been a connection to Zoro's unintentional use. It would definitely make more sense then her being so scared of his strength that she passed out and foamed at the mouth – and strangely coincidental -- and misleading for that matter.
.on top of all of that, im pretty sure squeezing somebodys head really hard doesnt make them foam at the mouth.
Also, some of you were saying he might have known the weakness to light.
Obviously the weakness to light is darkness, and considering it was in broad day light that shouldnt affect kizaru at all, unless Rays sword mysteriously had something to do with darkness in it ._.
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on top of all of that, im pretty sure squeezing somebodys head really hard doesnt make them foam at the mouth.
Also, some of you were saying he might have known the weakness to light.
Obviously the weakness to light is darkness, and considering it was in broad day light that shouldnt affect kizaru at all, unless Rays sword mysteriously had something to do with darkness in it ._.
Wasn't his name "Dark King" Rayleigh?
Maybe demon haki like Zoro?
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Haki is a good thing in the one piece world to balance the powers, but why does everybody have to relate everything to haki??!!
it's really getting on my nerves and i just can't stand this anymore.
There are good theories about what haki is, but not everything that is not fully explained is related to haki…it's not like the whole world revolves on haki and every little secret has something to do with it...This is my opinion as well.
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yea this thread is bullshit and it hasn't been confirmed that haki stop logias powers and if it does then thats really stupid.
Haha, had fun reading old comments.. According this guy's talking, he propably doesnt like OP anymore since major thing like logia powers are solved like that.
Shortly: I think haki is good thing because of logia overpowerness. I cant wait to see Luffy handle it and fight there otherwise-impossible enemies.
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Aisa is the thried posessor of the King's Haki, she's a natural
Mantra = Hakii'm serious, she's a 5 year old and she can sence all the people and their location withn the whole of Skypia. She never needed any training, which means that she was born with that immsence raw potential. that's a king Haki in my opinion, immence raw haki a person is born with without training.
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You quoted yourself?
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i'm serious, she's a 5 year old and she can sence all the people and their location withn the whole of Skypia. She never needed any training, which means that she was born with that immsence raw potential. that's a king Haki in my opinion, immence raw haki a person is born with without training.
why would the rarest form of haki be the most easiest to learn especially when its probably classed as the strongest and yet you think a child could master it?
if your being serious well thats just sad
i have no clue what your basing it onshe did nothing that we've seen king haki do yet your posting it must be haki
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And Aisa was knocking people out left and right during Skypeia.
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So were Sandersonia and Marigold.
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@Geo:
Wasn't his name "Dark King" Rayleigh?
Maybe demon haki like Zoro?
This mystery will be cleared up soon anyways :PPossibly, I dont see how he did anything that involved "dark" when fighting Kizaru though.
His title could easily mean something else about him, like how evil he is or how shallow he is. Since he was the first mate the marines probably automatically thought of him as an evil "dark" man without knowing much about him, just like when they gave chopper a bounty of 50 (even though that was obviously a joke).
Like nicos title "devil child" shes not technically a devil child, thats just what they decided to nickname her.
Or drakes "red flag" nickname.
or Bellamys "the hyena"
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Rayleigh blocked Kizaru's sword, and then cut him with his giant peener. Its that simple.
This is not the same effect as Luffy's giant peener-size knocking out the wolves or the bison… THAT was sheer scariness.
Different effects and different uses, but it still boils down to sheerly being manly men.
This still doesn't explain the amazon's variety of abilities, but, what can ya do.
(I appologize in advance for dragging a joke from the chapter thread over into here. But its totally applicable and relevant I think.)
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Makes more sense than the rest of the posts in this thread.
So how big is Margaret's peener compared to Luffy's anyway?
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Luffy's Gear 3rd Gigant Peener is only matched by Pwngoat's massive peener.Haki is determined by strength and will power, and it pretty much makes you a God if you have enough of it. End of story.HakiDing-dong size is MAGIC.:ninja:It defies physical laws because the user's will, resolve, and perseverance gives physics the finger and proceeds to let the user break the limits of imagination.
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Laboon has the biggest peener in the series.
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The theory is quite long, somewhat confusing, and was written by two Brazillian guys, so, sorry by possible mistakes, and please, read all of it.
First, we present some possibilities we thought, than show some character examples, saying in which possibilities they enter and discuss a,ittle about it. Well, let's do it!It's not only Haki that hits Logias, or simply isn't Haki that does it.
About Logias intangibility.
Possibilities:
- The guy knows the attack is coming, and the Devil fruit acts on its own.
- The user controls it, beign intangible when he wants.
- The guy knows the attack is coming, but needs to want the attack to pass through him.
- He doesn't need to know the attack is coming, but the DF can act on its own.
- Being the intangibility, of user's will, once he is distracted, he can be attacked by surprise, as he's not at his elemental form.
- Being the DF reaction, it might happen in cases which the user has his life threatened, so it's a self-presevation.
About attacks against Logias, exemples and analisys when the attacks hit the user.
Wiper holding Enel:
One of these two:
- The user controls it, beign intangible when he wants.
- The guy knows the attack is coming, but needs to want the attack to pass through him.
So, either Enel didn't see any danger coming from Wiper holding him, since with mantra he knew he'd be targetered, or saw in it the possibility to give him a freaking shock, as it would be easier then having to aim and son on.
He possibly didn't see any threat, but an oportunity to finish Wiper off.Enel defends a Kaenboshi (Flame Star) with his hands:
One of these two:
- The user controls it, beign intangible when he wants.
- He doesn't need to know the attack is coming, but the DF can act on its own.
He knew of the attack because of his mantra, so, he stopped the attack with his hand to show how insignificant was the attack. Also, to show that the elements that man can manipulate are nothing for a Logia.
If the DF acts on its own, it didn't "want" to let it pass through, as it wasn't anything harmful.Enel being hit by Kamikiri.
One of these two:
- Being the DF reaction, it might happen in cases which the user has his life threatened, so it's a self-presevation.
- The guy knows the attack is coming, but needs to want the attack to pass through him.
Watching closely, all off Kamakiri's attacks were at vital spots, like the lance at is head, and the Burning Slash that went through his body and destroyed a tree behind.
Luffy hitting Enel for the first time:
One of these two:
- The guy knows the attack is coming, and the Devil fruit acts on its own.
- The guy knows the attack is coming, but needs to want the attack to pass through him.
He KNEW he would be attacked, and thought "He'll just pass by me.", but was hit. So, an explanation for the intangibility moment.
If when the Logia gets intangible, in that exact instant, all his body becomes of the element of the DF, not only a part of him, it will pass through, and actually, when only a part of the body gets like that, it also aplies. It'd be something like this:In the one he "undoes" himself, only the element goes off. If it's something effective against that Logia, it's as if his body was still there, and only the element dissipates. Imagine a invisible doll, or a invisible part. It remains there, but can't be hit, because it's only pure element at that instant.
In Enel's case, he wanted the attack to pass through him, and expected it to happen because of his DF, that would act on its own or anything alike, but, as Luffy is rubber, Enel's weakness, he can "make" Enel be tangible again.
Borsalino tring to kill Zoro, and Rayleigh getting on his way:
One of these three:
- He doesn't need to know the attack is coming, but the DF can act on its own.
- Being the intangibility, of user's will, once he is distracted, he can be attacked by surprise, as he's not at his elemental form.
- The user controls it, beign intangible when he wants.
To kick a light leg, it, the leg, has got to have some mass, so, it should be tangible. If the DF works on it's own, even if he actually knew Rayleigh was coming, he wouldn't be able to let the attack pass through, as the leg was like, solid. That, or he thought the attack wouldn't be letal. An notice that Rayleigh attacks just when Kizaru would finally send the attack. When a Logia is about to attack, he is tangible, then? Usopp and Brook attacked him when he was "charging", and all of it went through, but they didn't try his leg.
He could have seen Rayleigh coming, but was distracted with Zoro.
So, that wasn't Haki, because the light that would hit Zoro was solid, hittable, just like Ama no Murakumo. Other exemples of Solid like Logia attacks, are Desert La Spada, from Crocodile, and Shinka Shiranui, from Ace.Borsalino takes a heashot:
One of these two:
- He doesn't need to know the attack is coming, but the DF can act on its own.
- Being the DF reaction, it might happen in cases which the user has his life threatened, so it's a self-presevation.
If they are always intangible like that, yo can only hit them with Kairouseki, or something with the same effect, up to now considered to be Haki, or the Fruit's weakeness, or even, just Yami Yami no Mi.
So, if Haki really makes one beig hittable, and, theorically, everyone who really kicks ass knows it and what it does, then why the fuck is there the Yami Yami no Mi?! Oda wouldn't give the most brutal power to a monster guy, just to say afterwards that anyone with Haki can kick a Logia's ass. I mean, the power to hit anything, even Logias, is the great point of this DF, if it were only to give gravity powers and double damage received, it'd be pathetic. Not to mention that in Amazon Lily, you see Haki in just about every corner.
So, the theory is: Logias act with the intangibility by their own, but, they are not like that forever. If a "oposite element" attack is sent, this auto-intangibility doesn't work. So, the actual way to attack a Logia, would be countering him when he is just about to use a attack, as at that momment, he gets solid for a instant. Possibly, whenever a attacks comes out of his body, that part get's tangible, so he can be hit. If a weakness attack is sent against the user, he will hit him anyways.
So, Haki works for people to raise their attack power, make the weaker faint, or damage the surroundings, as seen when Shanks used his Haki at Shirohige's ship. It's NOT Haki that makes a Logia get hit.That's it, at last. Please, coment :happy:
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my sig explains it all…...
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I predict that this thread will not last very long…
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Ambition is most likely Oda's way of making certain Logias hittable (while simultanbeously making certain characters seem more "legendary"). Like Kizaru. How the fuck else are you gonna hit that guy?! Or Smoker? What makes Smoke solid? Guy put himself in a corner, and needed a way out of it. Not the most creative way to do it, but there ya go.
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the brasilian guys are awesome,they need to join the ap forums
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Wiper holding Enel:
One of these two:
- The user controls it, beign intangible when he wants.
- The guy knows the attack is coming, but needs to want the attack to pass through him.
So, either Enel didn't see any danger coming from Wiper holding him, since with mantra he knew he'd be targetered, or saw in it the possibility to give him a freaking shock, as it would be easier then having to aim and son on.
He possibly didn't see any threat, but an oportunity to finish Wiper off.No, Seastone.
Enel defends a Kaenboshi (Flame Star) with his hands
Logia fruits are always active.
Enel being hit by Kamikiri
Logia fruits are always active.
Luffy hitting Enel for the first time:
Rubber works because Oda wanted it to as a plot device.
Borsalino tring to kill Zoro, and Rayleigh getting on his way:
Either a devil fruit or ambition makes DF powers something tangible that can be blocked.
Borsalino takes a heashot:
Logia fruits are always active.
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"So, if Haki really makes one beig hittable, and, theorically, everyone who really kicks ass knows it and what it does, then why the fuck is there the Yami Yami no Mi?! Oda wouldn't give the most brutal power to a monster guy, just to say afterwards that anyone with Haki can kick a Logia's ass. I mean, the power to hit anything, even Logias, is the great point of this DF, if it were only to give gravity powers and double damage received, it'd be pathetic. Not to mention that in Amazon Lily, you see Haki in just about every corner."
There is one thing your forgeting, the Drakness Fruit that teach has makes it so that the opposing fruit user can't use there powers AT ALL. I don't understand why people don't get this. So far when one has been shown to bypass a devil fruits defenses their spirit umbued attacks affect the opponent, but they don't instantly lose their abilities like the way Teach explained. Thats the reason why Oda gave old Blacky such an awesome ability. So old Whitey can't quake him to death when ever he wants.
The best showing of the use of ones Spirit was the Kuja Pirates. Oda almost let us know exactly what the limits of it were right then and there. By the way Luffy explained how "that hit was normal" or how using ones Spirit in their attacks doesn't garantee a win.
Also I know people are still wondering why WB doesn't just "Haki" everyone into submission. Well considering that most of those marines and war lords have seen there share of awesome battles I bet it would barely work on half the fodder. Usopp withstood Silvers better than some of Law's crew did, and that says allot.
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Also Luffy slamming into Smoker and Ace say that Logias are not always active. -
Logia fruits are always active.
Logia fruits are always active.
Ask Smoker and Ace if they are always active… Luffy hit both of them
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Ask Smoker and Ace if they are always active… Luffy hit both of them
Are you serious?
That was a comedy skit.
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Are you serious?
That was a comedy skit.
I don't think so, and it did hit, which really imples they aren't ALWAYS active.
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Yeah, and Nami uses ambition in all her punches.
This thread kind of makes me think I should start using Raj's signature too…
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I don't think so, and it did hit, which really imples they aren't ALWAYS active.
I'll be off now, and see this thread tomorrow If it's not closed x_Xin that case,maybe he was HAKILY seeking food
it was a gag
Auger shoot Ace,and was not effective at all
so yeah,logia are always active
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And what? They still got hit.
Oh my god, and Nami is as strong as Garp! All the pieces are falling into place!
Whodathunkit.
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I don't get what's so complicated. Haki seems to cancel any devil fruit and enhances any attack epecialy if the attack is devil fruit based. It's your perfect win-win.
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Oh my god, and Nami is as strong as Garp! All the pieces are falling into place!
Whodathunkit.
Plotholes?
or Fist of Love
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Haki speculation is easily the most annoying thing in Arlong Park.
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That damn comedic skit always makes me unsure if it was just a comedy skit or a damn foreshadowing.
Fuck you, Oda, just explain the damn Logia abilities already
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Haki speculation is easily the most annoying thing in Arlong Park.
It's one of the things that make one piece great. But I still say it's not that complicated. Haki is simply Oda-sans way of leveling the playing field in the OP universe