Honestly I like the fact Goku was on his own in the RRA arc. The story for the most part was centered about him and he needed some time away from the purely fighting stuff that Krillin and even Yamcha were being used for by this point. Maybe if the RRA was way bigger, I could see them getting involved…but hey, we got the epic Roshi scene where he and Lunch crush an entire battalion invading the island so that was worth it.
Dragonball Discussion
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@Tokoro:
Honestly I like the fact Goku was on his own in the RRA arc. The story for the most part was centered about him and he needed some time away from the purely fighting stuff that Krillin and even Yamcha were being used for by this point. Maybe if the RRA was way bigger, I could see them getting involved…but hey, we got the epic Roshi scene where he and Lunch crush an entire battalion invading the island so that was worth it.
well , i would have loved to see more from aster roshi at that time, well whatever
and that lunch and roshi island thing was one off the funniest moments in db
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@metteminne:
goddamnit why did you post before me
i also want a cookie :sad:
You can have one to metteminne and MetaMario.
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did anyone know that at his first appearance mr. popo was at a power level of 1030…... well goku had a power level of 910 at the end of DB..... idk how they made this error
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_levels
look at the pic
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Son's battle against Raditz placed him at "924 and rising" when using his Kamehame-Ha, so maybe the 910 is in reference to the Chô Kamehame-Ha he used against Piccolo. That's how I tend to look at it.
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Pecking order is canon then
Z Warriors<–Dirt<--Worms in the dirt<---Popo's stool<--Kami<--Mr. Popo
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@mdmartin101:
Pecking order is canon then
Z Warriors–>Dirt-->Worms in the dirt-->Popo's stool-->Kami-->Mr. Popo
Uh…Popo is weaker than his stool?
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@Yuugi's:
Uh…Popo is weaker than his stool?
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkk
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Even then that chart was printed during the Saiyan arc. Vegeta reads as being 'uncalcuable'.
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That thing is probably not done by Toriyama himself (just like the movie 5 battle powers). It's outright stated that God >>>> Mr. Popo >>>> Daimao.
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http://www.dbzrulz100.fanspace.com/custom4.html
Can you guys who watches the Japanese version find whats wrong with this site?
It defines the RRA as a band, when bands are small roving groups of nomadic humans not organized enough to be a tribe.
Oh also the horrific site design and dub bullshit.
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@metteminne:
no thats nam
when he fought (i think)general white and met androide 8 , he goes to bulma and needs money, so he fight this guy who gives 100000(i think) to whoever can beat him , thats the guy
I still don't remember :sad:
http://www.dbzrulz100.fanspace.com/custom4.html
Can you guys who watches the Japanese version find whats wrong with this site?
There spelling is terrible
did anyone know that at his first appearance mr. popo was at a power level of 1030…... well goku had a power level of 910 at the end of DB..... idk how they made this error
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_levels
look at the pic
Mr.Popo: "I'll tell you were there not…....safe"
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did anyone know that at his first appearance mr. popo was at a power level of 1030…... well goku had a power level of 910 at the end of DB..... idk how they made this error
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Power_levels
look at the pic
Officially speaking, the very first battle power reading came from Farmer with Shotgun. The very last was Trunks' reading of 5. Anything before Farmer and after Trunks is not really completely decided on by Toriyama. Even the Daizenshuu books released in Japan have a bit of inaccuracies that were made up for the books.
Even then, battle power readings mean diddly squat. They're estimated numbers based off of the amount of Ki one is giving off. It doesn't give off a proper reading of one's potential at all, as shown by how Goku and Trunks both hid their Ki against Ginyu and Freeza respectively, as well as Kuririn and Gohan against Gurd.
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I just started reading the series from the very beginning (only skipping over the volumes that I already owned - two Dragon Ball omnibuses (end of the Red Ribbon and Piccolo arcs) and the final volume), and a lot of things have been surprising me so far. Dodoria was introduced and beaten in three or four chapters (which is impressive as far as pacing is concerned, given that he's one of Freeza's right-hand men), Tien was much cheaper when he was first introduced (only character who could fly, could copy a move with twice its original power after seeing it once, could grow extra limbs), and Roshi seemed to stay relevent longer than even he figured (fighting evenly with Tien, got the closest to beating Piccolo Daimao out of the whole cast aside from Goku).
Even now, long after it came out and other series emulated it, I still find it enjoyable. My only notable gripe so far was Vegeta getting the ability to control his ki and sense the ki of others literally out of nowhere (I've gone from the start of the series to the fight with Zarbon, so I might find others as I continue), and of course, the lack of focus on non-Saiyan cast members as the series went on (would it have killed Toriyama to allow Krillin to beat Guldo, for example? Or let Tien do something? Chaozu and Yamcha, I can understand somewhat - Chaozu's always been the punching bag (losing to Krillin due to him not knowing basic math; losing to Tao Pai Pai off-screen; "Goodbye Tien!" [harmless explosion]), and Yamcha was about as bad, though he at least lost to powerful opponents when he did lose in tournaments (Roshi, Tien, Kami). However, it would have been nice to see him make up for dying to a Saibaman at some point before the series ended).
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Well, Vegeta's a fighting genius. I don't think it is too much to assume that he could pick up the skill himself after learning it was possible. It took him a few chapters to get it down pat, even.
Tenshinhan arguably stayed just as relevent as Kuririn did. He used his Shin Kikô-Hô to stop second form Cell and even helped out a little against Majin Boo. Over all, though, there simply wasn't anything left to do with him, or Yamcha or Chaozu for that matter.
The anime has some really good filler with them, though. I'd suggest watching all of the Dragon Ball anime. The animation is consistently good (sometimes even breath-taking) and the filler really expands on the characters and their training.
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My only notable gripe so far was Vegeta getting the ability to control his ki and sense the ki of others literally out of nowhere
DBZ Abridged made a joke about that. Kwi asks just how Vegeta managed to do that, to which he responds with "I 'unno."
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i wish they'd do a movie showing how he would have ended it if he had gone on with the original plan to end it at the freeza saga
would vegeta live
would he marry bulma
would gohan surpass his father
would there be any other super saiyans
would piccolo fuse with kami
would goku have livedall sorts of shit i'd like to see, the other thing i'd like to see is a good fight between piccolo and vegeta since namek they became sort of rivals but both looking to surpass goku and not the other
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i wish they'd do a movie showing how he would have ended it if he had gone on with the original plan to end it at the freeza saga
would vegeta live
would he marry bulma
would gohan surpass his father
would there be any other super saiyans
would piccolo fuse with kami
would goku have livedall sorts of shit i'd like to see, the other thing i'd like to see is a good fight between piccolo and vegeta since namek they became sort of rivals but both looking to surpass goku and not the other
Um.. as much as I hate the cell saga, it had some great development for Krillin, and Gohan.
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I like the android saga cause it gave me Super Piccolo and possibly my favorite fight in that arc: Piccolo vs. 17
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As much as I used to say it back in the old days, there's really no evidence that Toriyama wanted to end it at the Freeza saga. That's another one of those rumors spread around and accepted by the online community.
We would have been left with the fact that Vegeta's very much alive, would have been the strongest on Earth and would have been a hassle to deal with for Gohan, Kuririn and Piccolo.
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Um.. as much as I hate the cell saga, it had some great development for Krillin, and Gohan.
It really doesn't.
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It really doesn't.
What, you didn't like Gohan's development? You prefer the previous Gohan who was only relying on others to get the job done?
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During the Cell saga he depended on others the most.
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During the Cell saga he depended on others the most.
You're in bad faith, the other fighters were even more relying on him. That was one of the first time he didn't watch and wait for someone to beat the opponent. You really grew up thanks to this fight, we've never heard him after saying things like: "My father will make you pay for this".
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He fought Vegeta on his own, he fought Recoome on his own and he fought Freeza on his own.
During the Cell arc, he was crying about not wanting to fight, needed #16's reassurance, needed Goku's mental support and needed Vegeta's distraction to finally win a battle "on his own".
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We would have been left with the fact that Vegeta's very much alive, would have been the strongest on Earth and would have been a hassle to deal with for Gohan, Kuririn and Piccolo.
I dunno. Vegeta behaved pretty well for the whole year or so it took Goku to return to Earth. Apparently he was just crashing at Bulma's house and training. I think he'd gotten over wanting to rule the universe and was just fine with trying to become the strongest in the universe.
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The thing about Gohans development, was that he was still just a kid. Didn't he turn 11 near the Cell Games? Yea, he did a lot of solo fighting on Namek, but this is right after Piccolo died, he really got attached to Piccolo when training for the Saiyajins. He was depentent on Piccolo like he was on his father. After Piccolo dies, his Father is injured, and he needs to go to Namek.
During the Cell saga he didn't wanna fight still, but think about the way it played out. He's become amazingly strong, becomes a SSJ, trains with his father for a year in the Room of Spirit and Time, and comes out…..not wanting to fight? Hmm, makes you think he's a little kid or something.
Yea, he has all this power, but remember, he's not Goku, who's instincts make him love to fight, and was raised in the woods, Gohan was raised by Chi-Chi not to fight, but to become a Scholar, and doesn't have the Saiyajin nature of fighting non-stop. Up until a few years earlier, he was a normal kid, who was sheltered by Mommy. Along with that the kid just spent a year alone with no one but his father, people like to socialize, and after everything Gohans been through, it's amazing he hasn't cracked.
And then, at the end of it, Goku dies, and the world is basically just thrown onto Gohans shoulders. A prevalent theme in Dragon Ball was Goku wanting to pass on the responsibility of protecting loved ones to Gohan. Later, he lets Goten and Trunks fight Boo, because he wants them to learn to do it, and then at the end of the series, trains Oob. Goku likes to throw the ability to protect everyone's lives onto someone, and in Gohans case, Cell is alive, Goku dead, and He really is the only one who can win.
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@Syan:
I dunno. Vegeta behaved pretty well for the whole year or so it took Goku to return to Earth. Apparently he was just crashing at Bulma's house and training. I think he'd gotten over wanting to rule the universe and was just fine with trying to become the strongest in the universe.
Two years, actually. Freeza arrives on Earth two years after Namek.
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As much as I used to say it back in the old days, there's really no evidence that Toriyama wanted to end it at the Freeza saga. That's another one of those rumors spread around and accepted by the online community.
We would have been left with the fact that Vegeta's very much alive, would have been the strongest on Earth and would have been a hassle to deal with for Gohan, Kuririn and Piccolo.
no evidence if you have a clear lack of reading comprehension skills sure I believe someone listed all the hints not something I'm really going to rewrite because I really don't care that much call me lazy or say it's not true w/e,
and as i said it was written in a book the official guide to manga which we debated on but I found to be a decent book, it gives quick summaries of series with dragon ballz going like this
"Picking up with the first appearance of Goku's son Gohan, DBZ follows Earth's (formally) monkey-tailed champion as he discovers that he is an alien and must defend his adopted planet against increasingly powerful bad guys from space and beyond. Spaceships, time travel, aliens and cyborgs give this series a children's sci-fi feel, but the bulk of every book is hand-to-hand and fireball-to-fireball fight scenes: page after page of brilliantly choreographed,eventually repeatitive battles, usually set against the back drop of deserted wastelands so the artist doesn't have to draw buildings or bystanders. Clearly produced in as quick and dirty a manner as possible (But without obvious assistant abuse), Dragon Ball Z alternates between brief periods of exciting unpredictability and long periods of tedium, reportedly because Toriyama's intentions for the series (such as the desire to phase out Goku and the desire to end the manga after the fight with Freeza) were repeatedly outvoted by his readers and the demands of the industry that depended him. Working under these conditions, Toriyama proves himself a master of retroactive explanations, playing with the readers' expectations and fixing plot holes as he goes along. (However he is never able to find something to do with the leftover characters from Drago n Ball.) The series thus works both as world-saving soap opera and, on a purely visual level, as a flip book comic that almost requires no translation. Although never entirely humorless, the art is more square-jawed and more serious than Dragon Ball, with a few genuinely brutal moments (Some violent scenes involving guns, as well as a single moment of nudity and the original name of the bumbiling Mr. Satan, are censored in the Viz edition). In Japan, Dragon Ball Z was published as volumes 17-42 of the 42 volume Dragon Ball series."
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It seems like Toriyama was planning to go at least up to the Android arc, however - otherwise, I don't see why he would have mentioned that Piccolo and Kami, when fused, was as powerful as a Super Saiyan (or more) when Guru first appeared, which was before Zarbon was killed (it's somewhere in the 260s in terms of chapters) if it was never going to be used in-series and completely pointless as both were dead at the time.
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@Yuugi's:
Two years, actually. Freeza arrives on Earth two years after Namek.
Was it? Well, then, that even further states it, I guess. I just remember that the Namekian Dragonballs were reusable faster due to a shorter year or something and they did two or three uses of them, then a random timeskip to Frieza/Goku's return with Trunks' first appearance, and followed again by a timeskip of three (?) years.
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@Syan:
I dunno. Vegeta behaved pretty well for the whole year or so it took Goku to return to Earth. Apparently he was just crashing at Bulma's house and training. I think he'd gotten over wanting to rule the universe and was just fine with trying to become the strongest in the universe.
Yeah, after finding out Goku was still alive. :P
no evidence if you have a clear lack of reading comprehension skills sure I believe someone listed all the hints not something I'm really going to rewrite because I really don't care that much call me lazy or say it's not true w/e,
and as i said it was written in a book the official guide to manga which we debated on but I found to be a decent book, it gives quick summaries of series with dragon ballz going like this
"Official" by who's standards? Toriyama himself has never actually been quoted on wanting to end it at the Freeza saga. As I said, it's mainly something that's been thrown around by everyone and was just accepted as fact.
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Yeah, after finding out Goku was still alive. :P
I remember him being pretty agreeable, even when he thought Goku had died in Namek's explosion. He was the one who offered the idea to transport Goku and Krillin's souls to Earth before resurrecting them. Then he was content (apparently, at least, it wasn't really shown on screen that I remember) to just stay at Bulma's place with all of the Namekians while they were waiting to be able to use the Dragon Balls to even find out Goku was alive.
But, I get that you were joking, mostly. :D
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@Syan:
He was the one who offered the idea to transport Goku and Krillin's souls to Earth before resurrecting them.
"Offered" as in "pointing out how dumb everyone else were who didn't think of that solution", mind you - and he largely did it because he wanted Goku back so he could fight him.
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OK, so I have a question about the Kaios. It was stated that they each rule over a Quadrant of A galaxy? Right, and that the Dai Kaio rules over the entire Galaxy, meaning there could possibly be more Kaio's and more Dai Kaio's for other Galaxy's right? and that the Kaioshins ruled over the quadrants of the whole universe, and the Dai Kaioshin that was absorbed by Boo watches over the entire universe? My friend said that each of the Kaio's ruled over an entire galaxy themselves.
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@mdmartin101:
OK, so I have a question about the Kaios. It was stated that they each rule over a Quadrant of A galaxy? Right, and that the Dai Kaio rules over the entire Galaxy, meaning there could possibly be more Kaio's and more Dai Kaio's for other Galaxy's right? and that the Kaioshins ruled over the quadrants of the whole universe, and the Dai Kaioshin that was absorbed by Boo watches over the entire universe? My friend said that each of the Kaio's ruled over an entire galaxy themselves.
Ok here is my theory on how the higher ups in the world of Dragon ball works. Now mind you this is all just my opinion and it could all be very well wrong so bare with it. Also I'm not using the anime as a resourse. ALSO I'm not gonna use the words Kaioshin or anything because I'm American lol.
Ok I believe each and every planet in the DB Universe at least has one God ( ala Kami/Dende) Who is assigned/chosen to watch that said Planet.
Now I think every planet is split into galaxies millions of them. Each galaxy has four great lord of worlds who are assigned to watch each section (north,south,east,west) of each galaxy.(Lets say Goku's section of his universe is one Galaxy.
Now since there are many galaxies, then there are many many Great lord of worlds, not just four like in the anime. All of these great lord of worlds in all of these galaxies report to ONE and only one GRAND Lord of worlds who resides in the middle of heaven. I believe there is a Grand Lord of worlds because Piccolo mentions him in the manga in the Boo arc.
Now Higher then the Grand Lord of worlds are The four, AND ONLY FOUR, Lord of LORDS (Kaoi-shin the little purple mohak dude) Who watch all the galaxies or you could say the entire universe. These four are just legends to the grand and many grwat lord of worlds who watch each section of the whole universe ( north ,south ,east,west respectively)
And the last big daddy of them all who sees EVERYTHING and who I consider to be the God of the whole DB universe is yhe Grand Lord of Lords ( The fat mohawk God absorbed by Boo) Who all four Lord of Lords report to.
Now let me remind everyone again this is all just speculation on my part and may not be true in ANY WAY, but thats how I see it.
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@mdmartin101:
OK, so I have a question about the Kaios. It was stated that they each rule over a Quadrant of A galaxy? Right, and that the Dai Kaio rules over the entire Galaxy, meaning there could possibly be more Kaio's and more Dai Kaio's for other Galaxy's right? and that the Kaioshins ruled over the quadrants of the whole universe, and the Dai Kaioshin that was absorbed by Boo watches over the entire universe? My friend said that each of the Kaio's ruled over an entire galaxy themselves.
Four Kaiô, overseen by a Daikaiô. Once there were four Kaiôshin, overseen by a Daikaiôshin. Majin Boo kills all of them but the Eastern Kaiôshin and once the Z Sword is broken the Eastern Kaiôshin's anscestor is made the new Daikaiôshin unofficially.
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@Yuugi's:
and once the Z Sword is broken the Eastern Kaiôshin's anscestor is made the new Daikaiôshin unofficially.
Was this info in a Daizenshuu?
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Was this info in a Daizenshuu?
I think Kaiôshin calls him so in the series itself (it's been a while).
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I know the order of power, what I'm asking though was it ever said that there was other Kaio's and Dai Kaio's for other galaxy's.
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@mdmartin101:
I know the order of power, what I'm asking though was it ever said that there was other Kaio's and Dai Kaio's for other galaxy's.
No. The universe is split into four galaxies/quadrants, meaning there is only one Daikaiô-sama and one Daikaiôshin-sama.
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Then what was the purpose of the Kaioshin's?
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@mdmartin101:
Then what was the purpose of the Kaioshin's?
According to Daizenshuu 7 and the Super Exciting Guides, the regular Kaios only watch over the living world, while the Kaioshins watch over both the living world and afterlife. That's why the Kaioshin Realm is located outside of the giant ball that contains the DB afterlife and living world, and revolves around it like a moon. This also explains the Kaioshins' name: "Gods of the World Kings". They're gods not only of the ordinary mortals, but also of the other gods like the regular Kaios. Piccolo refers to the East Kaioshin as "god of the gods" at one point in the manga.
Also, in the Super Exciting Guide: Character Volume, Toriyama says that Kaios and Kaioshins are selected by lottery from among the members of a special race called the Shinjin ("Fruit Pit People", more or less), so called because they are born from the fruit of the "World Tree". Shinjin born from regular World Tree fruit are eligible to become Kaios, while only those Shinjin born from rare golden fruit can become Kaioshins. So the split between Kaios and Kaioshins reflects this natural split in the Shinjin race.
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@mdmartin101:
Yea, he has all this power, but remember, he's not Goku, who's instincts make him love to fight, and was raised in the woods, Gohan was raised by Chi-Chi not to fight, but to become a Scholar,
Kind of offtopic
I could never understand the reasoning behind that. Chi Chi's a fighter or at least was a fighter for one arc, her dads a fighter, and her one true love is a fighter but for whatever reason her first born son can't take up fighting like his parents and grandparents. And then just as confusingly it's she basically allows Goten to take up fighting and is much less overprotecting of him.
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I think it was said that Goku's 2nd death (which was originally supposed to be permanent) caused Chi Chi to raise Goten differently thn she did Gohan.
But she did annoy me how she was all "Study, Gohan, study even if the world's in danger."
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Well, remember, Chi-Chi was there at the last tenkaichi Budokai, she saw Piccolo almost kill Goku. This might've made her wanna keep Gohan away from the fighting, but after Goku's death in the Cell Games, she basically just gave up with it and was like "Your gonna end up fighting anyway, might as well train ya"
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Well, its just a sad ending. I can accept that Guko died at the end of the episode. :(
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Well rewatched the Bardock special and the fat dude who is with Bardock looks like Nappa … is he a brother or some other relative of him?