The War With Whitebeard

[Refii]

@Ryuksgelus:

@Venessa
You really think a bunch of men who were hootin and hollerin at Boa and talking shit to Magellan would really be kept in line by just Teach. A large group of men who have all committed crimes comparable or worse than Croc&Kidd becoming obedient? Majority of Level 6 prisoner's seem like psychos and sociopaths, not the type of people you can make deals with. Sick people don't make rationale choices like toning down their violent tendencies so they can keep their new job as WG lap dogs; Its just not in them.

And I doubt they'd be scarred straight by Teach if they're still taunting Magellan while shackled and still want to kill WB.

I'm sorry, but this is B.S.
This is equivalent of saying all people from San Fransisco are gay, because those are the most vocal and the ones the media pays attention to.

Level 6 isn't some stereotypical place for like minded criminals, its for people you want to erase. Jimbei was in Level 6, he doesn't match your description at all, and if BB tricked him into thinking he was going to aid his former captain WB, he would have gladly helped BB instead of Luffy. Ace was in level 6 and he doesn't fit your description at all.

The point is, we don't know what the prisoners in level 6 with actual names and titles were like, we saw/heard fodder. Shiryuu was in level 6 and he gladly joined BB.

Also Buggy > anything below level 5, and I'm sure its possible that some level 6'ers were in Ivankov's harem that Buggy fooled.

[Vanessa]

@Ryuksgelus:

You really think a bunch of men who were hootin and hollerin at Boa and talking shit to Magellan would really be kept in line by just Teach. A large group of men who have all committed crimes comparable or worse than Croc&Kidd becoming obedient? Majority of Level 6 prisoner's seem like psychos and sociopaths, not the type of people you can make deals with. Sick people don't make rationale choices like toning down their violent tendencies so they can keep their new job as WG lap dogs; Its just not in them.

Those guys don't represent the type of people who'd join the Blackbeard Pirates.

And level 6 doesn't work the same way as levels 1-5. If researching poneglyphs didn't get you outright killed it'd be guaranteed that Clover and all those archaeologists would be thrown in level 6 to be forgotten.

Only being strong or psychotic wouldn't get someone thrown in level 6.

And I doubt they'd be scarred straight by Teach if they're still taunting Magellan while shackled and still want to kill WB.

It'd be out of simple interest of charisma a guy like Teach gives off. The guy's pretty similar to Luffy so it wouldn't be surprising to see them view him as the one who can become Pirate King.

I mean a guy like Shiryu clearly had to be impressed because someone like him wouldn't follow anyone out of fear, and this was someone who Teach didn't expect to meet yet managed to sway him into joining the crew practically right away.

So your assumption that it'd be by fear or intimidation is mistaken.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Ivotas:

I see what you're trying to say but the problem I see with that point is that you're judging all Level 6 prisoners based on the behaviour of that one lot. Let's not forget that Ace, Crocodile, Jinbei and Shiryu all were Level 6 prisoners aswell but none of them was shown to act in that discribed way. And of those four, two are now with Luffy and one is with Teach.

The point is, that just because some prisoners behave like that it doesn't mean that literally everyone will be like that. For the most part such behaviour is mostly done by nameless background types. Characters that do stand out are generally the exact opposite. And I'm sure that this will be the case for whoever might join up with Teach.

Jinbei and Ace are obvious exceptions being the Knight of the sea and a nice guy who got coffee for some marines and made a giant giant a nice hat. They being on level 6 because ones the PK's son and the other extremely powerful. Since when is slicing up your own men and prisoners for fun acceptable behavior? Only way Shiryuu an exception is that he has composure. Just being quiet

I wasn't judging all level 6 prisoners on a few. I was judging the majority based on most of the ones we have seen. Not to mention actual deathrow inmates, lifers, and other hardcore inmates who with a few exceptions are generally not nice reasonable guys.

Oda showed us guys beating up a dude for not sharing his food, both then tossed to a guy on death row who seemingly ate them, dozens taunting Boa&Magellan despite the danger, and guys going nuts when they thought they had a chance to escape. You're the one basing level 6 prisoners on a few specific cases.

I thought most of us thought the individuals Iva mentioned would join Teach? I thought the assumption is that they're the crazy snarling giants always shown in the background? You really think they're the type to do what they're told? If they're power matches their reputation then I doubt they were never offered a Shichibukai position. Or if they were there was a very good reason it wasn't even seen as an option.

his is equivalent of saying all people from San Fransisco are gay, because those are the most vocal and the ones the media pays attention to.

Do you know how fucking stupid this is?

Reading the rest you really have nothing to say.

lso Buggy > anything below level 5, and I'm sure its possible that some level 6'ers were in Ivankov's harem that Buggy fooled.

What? There are no level 6 people in Buggy's group. Do you not remember Iva literally blowing off any level 6 prisoners asking to be let free. Nobody wanted these guys to be set free and Iva only mentioned 1-5 people being among his candies. Apparently even if they could assist in busting out, Iva still didn't think it safe to let them out.

I am a bit astonished that you two actually believe for a second most of the level 6 prisoners aren't sick fucks. A place where Crocodile of all people is one of the nicer more passive guys.

@Venessa

Those guys don't represent the type of people who'd join the Blackbeard Pirates.

Read above on Busco, Caterlina, and San Juan the supposed Silver Medalists.

And level 6 doesn't work the same way as levels 1-5. If researching poneglyphs didn't get you outright killed it'd be guaranteed that Clover and all those archaeologists would be thrown in level 6 to be forgotten.

Because level 6 is the only form of isolation in the entire OP world. They'd be dead or put in a place where they could grab them for information if need be. Not a place they'd be instantly killed if they could even survive the baptism getting down there.

Only being strong or psychotic wouldn't get someone thrown in level 6.

A lot of both likely would. So you don't think a guy who killed more people than Kidd because he wanted to with the power to take down most people sent to capture him wouldn't be put on level 6? The evilest most despicable people we've seen are Spandam and the Tenryubito, yet they have the Government on their back. Probably because pirates exist who are far worse. Hopefully Kaidou, #4, and their followers show us pirate evils don't peak with Crocodile and whatever Don is known for.

It'd be out of simple interest of charisma a guy like Teach gives off. The guy's pretty similar to Luffy so it wouldn't be surprising to see them view him as the one who can become Pirate King.

Assuming these people are reasonable people. Croc and Don are clearly bad but because they have goals in mind or more Dionysian views on life. I'm talking about people who do bad simply because they're compelled too, really really do not care, or do not have any understanding of the damage they cause.

I'm completely sure Teach has the same Charisma as Luffy and thus get people to follow him, but to think that respect would be so strong they'd allow themselves to be essentially leashed

[Ivotas]

@Ryuksgelus:

I thought most of us thought the individuals Iva mentioned would join Teach? I thought the assumption is that they're the crazy snarling giants always shown in the background?

So, what if they were the giants? They were shown only once to have made a big commotion which was when the war with Whitebeard was mentioned. And by that time even Crocodile was getting all pumped up at the thought of it. True, he might not have yelled out loud but was enthusiastic then and only then. Just as those giants.

You really think they're the type to do what they're told? If they're power matches their reputation then I doubt they were never offered a Shichibukai position. Or if they were there was a very good reason it wasn't even seen as an option.

Yes I do think they can be the type to do what they are told. Who would have thought that the Pirate Hunter Zoro would have become a pirate himself. Who would have thought that Nami the pirate thief would become a pirate herself. Who would have thought that Franky would become friends with Luffy? At first none of the Strawhats were enthusiastic about joining Luffy but they joined in the end and would die for their captain. And Teach seems like the exact antagonistic counterpart of Luffy. I'm quite sure that he can impress big guns to follow him just as Luffy did for his crew. Shiryu himself is the black on white proof for that. How that can be even in question is way beyond my comprehension.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Ivotas:

So, what if they were the giants? They were shown only once to have made a big commotion which was when the war with Whitebeard was mentioned. And by that time even Crocodile was getting all pumped up at the thought of it. True, he might not have yelled out loud but was enthusiastic then and only then. Just as those giants.

You're honestly telling me you don't think the drooling, snarling, crazy eyed guys in the background are any worse than previous villains? Not psychotic murderers with bad tempers and ill manners who have probably butchered untold numbers of people?

Yes I do think they can be the type to do what they are told. Who would have thought that the Pirate Hunter Zoro would have become a pirate himself. Who would have thought that Nami the pirate thief would become a pirate herself. Who would have thought that Franky would become friends with Luffy? At first none of the Strawhats were enthusiastic about joining Luffy but they joined in the end and would die for their captain. And Teach seems like the exact antagonistic counterpart of Luffy. I'm quite sure that he can impress big guns to follow him just as Luffy did for his crew. Shiryu himself is the black on white proof for that. How that can be even in question is way beyond my comprehension.

You're comparing good willed inexperienced teenagers to hardened fully grown criminals who have done things so despicable the Government would rather the world just forget they ever existed? People with long proven rap sheets? Yeah they'll follow Teach if they see potential with him like Shiryuu, but restrain themselves for the Government when they likely already had multiple chances at doing so?

Shiryuu seems the type who became warden simply because he loves that he gets to legally hurt people. Completely opposite of Magellan&Hannybal reasons for wanting their position. Why else put an asset as him on death row just for butchering people they don't like anyway? He's clearly the exact type of person I'm talking about. You seem to have the idea in your head being a sick fuck means you gotta be loud&obnoxious too…or atleast you thought that is what I meant.

[Ivotas]

@Ryuksgelus:

You're comparing good willed inexperienced teenagers to hardened fully grown criminals who have done things so despicable the Government would rather the world just forget they ever existed? People with long proven rap sheets? Yeah they'll follow Teach if they see potential with him like Shiryuu, but restrain themselves for the Government when they likely already had multiple chances at doing so?

It doesn't matter if the one are good willed teenagers and the other bad criminals. The point is that strenght is the determing (sp?) factor. If Teach the Level 6 prisoners see enough strenght and personality in Teach to follow him then they will do it. One Piece is that kind of story. Heck, Oda stated that even inside the story when he made the BB Pirates say that the world follows the will of the strong (or something like that).

And I repeat, Teach is the counterpart of Luffy. Luffy get's people like himself to follow him, so of course Teach will get people like himself follow him. And yes, I do believe that said Level 6 prisoners are just like him. Heck, I could have seen Teach himself freak out like the giants did during that one certain scene if Teach would have been a L6 prisoner.

Shiryuu seems the type who became warden simply because he loves that he gets to legally hurt people. Completely opposite of Magellan&Hannybal reasons for wanting their position. Why else put an asset as him on death row just for butchering people they don't like anyway? He's clearly the exact type of person I'm talking about. You seem to have the idea in your head being a sick fuck means you gotta be loud&obnoxious too…or atleast you thought that is what I meant.

So now I don't even get what you're trying to say anymore. Does Shiryu prove that Level 6 prisoners can follow Teach or not by your book?

[Ryuksgelus]

Nobody ever argued they wouldn't follow Teach. Quote one line where I insinuated as such. My original point stems from the idea Teach would remain a warlord after freeing an unknown amount of level 6 prisoners just because he took down WB.

I called that view bullshit because there is no way the government and those level 6 prisoners would cooperate just because they have Teach as a possible mediator. I doubt he'd bother with that role to begin with, and even if he tried the most strong willed prisoners wouldn't go along with him if it meant being leashed. I.E. they won't get to cause as much havoc as they did before being imprisoned. Shiryuu may have enough sense to figure it would only be for a little while, but that doesn't mean they all would.

[Ivotas]

@Ryuksgelus:

Nobody ever argued they wouldn't follow Teach. Quote one line where I insinuated as such. My original point stems from the idea Teach would remain a warlord after freeing an unknown amount of level 6 prisoners just because he took down WB.

Oh, I thought your argument was that they wouldn't follow him. My bad then.

I called that view bullshit because there is no way the government and those level 6 prisoners would cooperate just because they have Teach as a possible mediator.

Well, I still think it's possible that those guys could become Warlords if they help take down Newgate AND if some spots will be left open. I understand your concern about it being a dull idea to trust Level 6 prisoners with such status but the real problem here is actually the general idea behind such a thing as Warlords. It generally is a bad idea to grant notorious pirates such a status because as we've even seen in the story it will fire back on the WG. So it's not like the L6 pirates are much of a worse choice. If anything one might argue that they've changed their ways after seeing how horrible prison life can be. Might sound ridiculous but we're talking about the WG here.

[MagneticMonkey]

The problem with your point is that you (i don't know why) thinks everyone at level 6 besides Ace or jimbei is a dangerous psychopath who is unable to follow a leader (a shichibukai). You don't even take into consideration that some of them are just interested into taking down the old man.

It's the WG who decided to work with criminals to begin with. Criminals who would land in ID at level 6 if they betray the marines. Those shichibukais have also pirate crews (BBs crew being a really strong one). Where do you think that teachs crew would land if they were to be imprisoned? As long as they follow BB who calmly works with the marines offering his crew freedom and an opportunity to become extremely famous for taking down the strongest man in the world.

Oh and for BB his new crew and the marines there will be a lot of battles to fight… There are still 3 yonkous remaining and the new era will be basically nothing else than a big rampage. And who said that being part of one shichibukais crew forbid them to rampage or fulfil their bloodlust by killing other pirates? Who said they're all revolutionaries?

The WG tolerates much more than you think.

[SabZ]

@Ryuksgelus:

Nobody ever argued they wouldn't follow Teach. Quote one line where I insinuated as such. My original point stems from the idea Teach would remain a warlord after freeing an unknown amount of level 6 prisoners just because he took down WB.

I called that view bullshit because there is no way the government and those level 6 prisoners would cooperate just because they have Teach as a possible mediator. I doubt he'd bother with that role to begin with, and even if he tried the most strong willed prisoners wouldn't go along with him if it meant being leashed. I.E. they won't get to cause as much havoc as they did before being imprisoned. Shiryuu may have enough sense to figure it would only be for a little while, but that doesn't mean they all would.

Blackbeard is all about causing havoc (Drum Island, Impel Down and Banaro Island). But I do agree with you about the idiotic pervert level 6 prisoners not joining Teach. However I think only the strong willed and more intelligent people notice Teach's incredible will.

How can there be such a long debate about level 6 prisonsers we know almost fuck all about?

[Ivotas]

@MagneticMonkey:

Oh and for BB his new crew and the marines there will be a lot of battles to fight… There are still 3 yonkous remaining and the new era will be basically nothing else than a big rampage. And who said that being part of one shichibukais crew forbid them to rampage or fulfil their bloodlust by killing other pirates? Who said they're all revolutionaries?

The WG tolerates much more than you think.

Yep, that's also a very important point. If the WG wins this war it won't be without losing some battle power. And if Newgate should really be taken care off there's still 3 other Emperors to be taken care off. So they need to recover quickly if they don't want to be overrun by either another Emperor or perhaps even Dragon. So yeah, filling empty Warlord spots with rumored L6 prisoners would be a possibility if they've helped the WG out by taking out Whitebeard. The concept of dealing out a full pardon is not an unthinkable scenario for pirate stories after all.

[onemoment]

@$abZ:

Blackbeard is all about causing havoc (Drum Island, Impel Down and Banaro Island). But I do agree with you about the idiotic pervert level 6 prisoners not joining Teach. However I think only the strong willed and more intelligent people notice Teach's incredible will.

How can there be such a long debate about level 6 prisonsers we know almost fuck all about?

This. I was going to post something in response Vanessa later (just you wait!) but this is a point that has to be made. Both in that previous argument and the last one, we're discussing based on a huge assumption and unknown. That is, we don't know what Blackbeard wants there. Stealing prisoners is just the assumption, however, it's still always possible Oda can make something up. After all, we don't even know about all the crews abilities, how they match with the given story could influence things as well.

Frankly, I'd rather wait for more information, otherwise any argument is flawed. Frankly, we don't even know if BB will go back and kill Whitebeard, that's just an assumption as well. He could just as easily settle for setting up someone else to kill or weaken Whitebeard. Who knows.

[andy]

@Ivotas:

Yep, that's also a very important point. If the WG wins this war it won't be without losing some battle power. And if Newgate should really be taken care off there's still 3 other Emperors to be taken care off. So they need to recover quickly if they don't want to be overrun by either another Emperor or perhaps even Dragon. So yeah, filling empty Warlord spots with rumored L6 prisoners would be a possibility if they've helped the WG out by taking out Whitebeard. The concept of dealing out a full pardon is not an unthinkable scenario for pirate stories after all.

The problem i have with that is , if WB dies at the end of this war , what stopping those lv 6 prisoners from going after the OP. It seem that WB is one of the main problems from them. If he dies ,i see it as them going after the OP more than becoming warlords.

Still i think the WG would look for people who they have not caught yet to replace the warlords compare to people that just escape from prison.

Someone that WG caught and got free by mistake don't really drive fear into people compare to some one that WG never caught and then they made a deal with them.

[Ivotas]

@andy:

The problem i have with that is , if WB dies at the end of this war , what stopping those lv 6 prisoners from going after the OP. It seem that WB is one of the main problems from them. If he dies ,i see it as them going after the OP more than becoming warlords.

How about the remaining 3 Emperors? If they truly are about the same level as Newgate as it is said they must be a huge problem for any pirate that aims to conquer the New World.

[andy]

@Ivotas:

How about the remaining 3 Emperors? If they truly are about the same level as Newgate as it is said they must be a huge problem for any pirate that aims to conquer the New World.

True , in fact if WB dies they might start going after the OP even more , the world would be in even more chaos.

[MagneticMonkey]

Which means a new era of rampage which shanks predicted.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Ivotas:

Oh, I thought your argument was that they wouldn't follow him. My bad then.

Well, I still think it's possible that those guys could become Warlords if they help take down Newgate AND if some spots will be left open. I understand your concern about it being a dull idea to trust Level 6 prisoners with such status but the real problem here is actually the general idea behind such a thing as Warlords. It generally is a bad idea to grant notorious pirates such a status because as we've even seen in the story it will fire back on the WG. So it's not like the L6 pirates are much of a worse choice. If anything one might argue that they've changed their ways after seeing how horrible prison life can be. Might sound ridiculous but we're talking about the WG here.

Like I said before, do you really think Silver Medalists weren't offered the position before with such reputations hinting they've rivaled WB before? They're older guys they must have had many many experiences before being sent to prison.

It is ridiculous because we clearly see most of them still acting up even behind bars. Certainly the three Teach would most likely want to include. Seeing how Oda portrays them they're supposed to be the equivalent to the real world's most notorious criminals: Dahmer, Manson, . Not people who can be reasoned with, they just aren't mentally capable. People who when let out would go back to doing exactly what they did before and when you try to discuss fear or morality to them they give you a blank stare.

I don't think the WG is so naive or desperate they'd allow loose people even Iva didn't consider letting out. Really I think you are severely underestimating how dangerous the WG thought these guys to put them on level 6 in the first place. These are probably the type of pirates personally sent there by Shichibukai, Admirals, Vice Admirals, or left for dead by WB&Shanks…maybe personally.

How about the remaining 3 Emperors? If they truly are about the same level as Newgate as it is said they must be a huge problem for any pirate that aims to conquer the New World.

The last two are people that could very well be as nasty as any level 6 prisoner and just recruit them. If they weren't allies or former crew members to begin with.

[CatManDo]

HOLY shit. I had to sign-up only to write in this discussion.
You guys are acting like you're straight DICKtators, talking about who should go here on the chessboard, what they'd do etc…and so like a dictator, because you can see a lot happening in the world(via the story), you think you got everyone down in a filing cabinet.
Stop it. Just because the manga is portraying a war, that's not reason to emulate it. Cool it and enjoy the manga. Oda will play it out better than any of you, and going back to old scenes is like re-writing the story. There's a term called 'canon' for a reason, it means it's already set in stone. You have no influence, make your time some other way.

[TLC]

OOH, OOH!!! LET ME DO IT!!!

ahem

Who the hell are you?

[CatManDo]

A man with a plan.

[SabZ]

Without a debate this forum would suck. But the debate should be based on more.

[CatManDo]

Maybe if people reserved themselves and posted less the quality of thought would go up, but enough of me moaning…
So what is there to debate really? Who becomes victorious in the battle?
Oda is deeply symbolic, there's more to be seen by reading plainly.
What does he state in between the lines?

[flandrian15]

catmandon't !!!

[CatManDo]

"Do what I like."

[Karate D. Frank]

@CatManDo:

HOLY shit. I had to sign-up only to write in this discussion.
You guys are acting like you're straight DICKtators, talking about who should go here on the chessboard, what they'd do etc…and so like a dictator, because you can see a lot happening in the world(via the story), you think you got everyone down in a filing cabinet.
Stop it. Just because the manga is portraying a war, that's not reason to emulate it. Cool it and enjoy the manga. Oda will play it out better than any of you, and going back to old scenes is like re-writing the story. There's a term called 'canon' for a reason, it means it's already set in stone. You have no influence, make your time some other way.

This is the worst post ever, you're a fagoot.

[Karate D. Frank]

@onemoment:

This. I was going to post something in response Vanessa later (just you wait!) but this is a point that has to be made. Both in that previous argument and the last one, we're discussing based on a huge assumption and unknown. That is, we don't know what Blackbeard wants there. Stealing prisoners is just the assumption, however, it's still always possible Oda can make something up. After all, we don't even know about all the crews abilities, how they match with the given story could influence things as well.

Frankly, I'd rather wait for more information, otherwise any argument is flawed. Frankly, we don't even know if BB will go back and kill Whitebeard, that's just an assumption as well. He could just as easily settle for setting up someone else to kill or weaken Whitebeard. Who knows.

NO ONES NOES LOL

Is not a rebuttal.

Dumbmoment.

[CatManDo]

Frank, you say that as a warning flag for other members to shoot me down?
Don't insult them, they can read what I say and decide for their own selves.

[Vanessa]

@Ryuksgelus:

Read above on Busco, Caterlina, and San Juan the supposed Silver Medalists.

What about them?

Unless you're saying those really big guys are some of the names you mentioned. In which case…lol.

Besides, even if they were it'd make no difference overall. They may have been loud about wanting to taken down Newgate, but that doesn't show that they're unwilling to follow anyone.

Because level 6 is the only form of isolation in the entire OP world. They'd be dead or put in a place where they could grab them for information if need be. Not a place they'd be instantly killed if they could even survive the baptism getting down there.

What exactly did you think they were gonna do with Robin after she turned herself in when taking her to Marine HQ and Franky to Impel Down during the Water 7 arc? If not outright kill her you can bet they'd throw her in Impel Down.

And everyone goes through the "baptism" at Impel Down even level 1 nobodies who are likely composed of normal people who became pirates. Aside from a lot of screams from pain, it's not meant to kill anyone.

A lot of both likely would. So you don't think a guy who killed more people than Kidd because he wanted to with the power to take down most people sent to capture him wouldn't be put on level 6? The evilest most despicable people we've seen are Spandam and the Tenryubito, yet they have the Government on their back. Probably because pirates exist who are far worse. Hopefully Kaidou, #4, and their followers show us pirate evils don't peak with Crocodile and whatever Don is known for.

You just basically described Kidd ut with more dead bodies. How would that get him thrown into level 6. Hell they've got high ranking revolutionaries, who unlike most outlaws attack the World Government directly, and they stick those in level 5.

Simply killing a lot of people won't put someone in level 6.

And if you think the reason Spandam and the Celestial Dragons are in the World Government because pirates are "far worse" then you're mistaken. Spandam has his father to thank for such a position, and the Celestial Dragons are simply descendants of the countries who founded it. Nothing to do with comparisons to pirates.

I'm completely sure Teach has the same Charisma as Luffy and thus get people to follow him, but to think that respect would be so strong they'd allow themselves to be essentially leashed

So if Teach manages to instantly gain respect from others**(like Luffy)** and are willing to join his crew because they see something special about him**(like Luffy)** and are willing to join the crew of their own volition**(like Luffy)** is silly even though he and Luffy are pretty much just different sides of the same coin.

I mean did you not read this current chapter, more specifically Mihawk's lines concerning making allies.
@Ryuksgelus:

Nobody ever argued they wouldn't follow Teach. Quote one line where I insinuated as such. My original point stems from the idea Teach would remain a warlord after freeing an unknown amount of level 6 prisoners just because he took down WB.

Uh yeah you did, that was all your initial post consisted of:

@Ryuksgelus:

@Venessa
You really think a bunch of men who were hootin and hollerin at Boa and talking shit to Magellan would really be kept in line by just Teach. A large group of men who have all committed crimes comparable or worse than Croc&Kidd becoming obedient? Majority of Level 6 prisoner's seem like psychos and sociopaths, not the type of people you can make deals with. Sick people don't make rationale choices like toning down their violent tendencies so they can keep their new job as WG lap dogs; Its just not in them.

And I doubt they'd be scarred straight by Teach if they're still taunting Magellan while shackled and still want to kill WB.

And yes, as long as the end-result is Teach taking down Newgate it's feasible to suggest it. So like onemoment, seems you don't really grasp just how big this whole thing is in comparison to everything else.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Vanessa:

What about them?

Unless you're saying those really big guys are some of the names you mentioned. In which case…lol.

Besides, even if they were it'd make no difference overall. They may have been loud about wanting to taken down Newgate, but that doesn't show that they're unwilling to follow anyone.

One is shaped like a cannonball, one has a hairy face like a wolf, and another looks like a crazy bitch. Not the only person who assumed these three repeatedly shown and emphasized during the Silver medalist comment are the three Iva was talking about. No different than Jean Bart being a random big dude/giant seen multiple times outside the auction house as an extra.

Following Teach doing as he pleases sure. Following Teach loosely following his WG commands like Moria, essentially being his Perona&Abasolom, no way.

What exactly did you think they were gonna do with Robin after she turned herself in when taking her to Marine HQ and Franky to Impel Down during the Water 7 arc? If not outright kill her you can bet they'd throw her in Impel Down.

Franky was but only level 4 or possibly 5. Robin was being taken to Marineford to likely be killed or they were planning to use her knowledge for other means.

And everyone goes through the "baptism" at Impel Down even level 1 nobodies who are likely composed of normal people who became pirates. Aside from a lot of screams from pain, it's not meant to kill anyone.

300 degree water can kill you if you're in too long. Even weak pirates are stronger than regular people purely on lifestyle. They may just be able to take it, but most researchers aren't going too or any of the tortures in ID. Besides old man who kept on going despite bullet in him but whatever.

You just basically described Kidd ut with more dead bodies. How would that get him thrown into level 6. Hell they've got high ranking revolutionaries, who unlike most outlaws attack the World Government directly, and they stick those in level 5.

Difference is Kidd has explained he only killed people who have made fun of him in the past, not indiscriminately killing people of all ages. Though even with that excuse its not odd to believe he'd be level 6 worthy as he grew in strength&reputation in the NW.

Bringing up Iva should speak even more on how dangerous the WG view level 6 prisoners, making it even more absurd to even contemplate letting them out. Though I think Iva not being on level 6 was just nonsense to give Luffy a powerful ally to take to war and incite a riot. Had Iva been a level 6 prisoner he'd easily figure out Ace wasn't Dragon's son and thus have no need to leave the prison.

Simply killing a lot of people won't put someone in level 6.

I'm sorry but its incredibly retarded to believe for a second killing multiple islands full of people, only being stopped because somebody incredibly powerful was sent after you, isn't enough to be sent to level 6? Do you think most of the level 6 people are political prisoners, only killed key figures, or tried to revive ancient weapons?

And if you think the reason Spandam and the Celestial Dragons are in the World Government because pirates are "far worse" then you're mistaken. Spandam has his father to thank for such a position, and the Celestial Dragons are simply descendants of the countries who founded it. Nothing to do with comparisons to pirates.

Lets not act obtuse, I could have used Lucci and spandam's dad and my point that you missed would have been the same. They see themselves as the good guys and tolerate such despicable people because they fight people much worse. If there aren't pirates worse than these individuals then Oda has his one big failure

So if Teach manages to instantly gain respect from others**(like Luffy)** and are willing to join his crew because they see something special about him**(like Luffy)** and are willing to join the crew of their own volition**(like Luffy)** is silly even though he and Luffy are pretty much just different sides of the same coin.

I'm so confused? When did I say they wouldn't join Teach?

I mean did you not read this current chapter, more specifically Mihawk's lines concerning making allies.

You clearly didn't read what I said a million times.

Uh yeah you did, that was all your initial post consisted of:

really? You really think a bunch of men who were hootin and hollerin at Boa and talking shit to Magellan would really be kept in line by just Teach. A large group of men who have all committed crimes comparable or worse than Croc&Kidd becoming obedient? Majority of Level 6 prisoner's seem like psychos and sociopaths, not the type of people you can make deals with. Sick people don't make rationale choices like toning down their violent tendencies so they can keep their new job as WG lap dogs; Its just not in them. Even reading this out of context(response to your post) it should be clear what I was talking about. They'd follow Teach, but Teach isn't allying such a powerful and downright evil aligned crew with the government. Neither side would would be willing and I doubt Teach had any intention of trying.

And yes, as long as the end-result is Teach taking down Newgate it's feasible to suggest it. So like onemoment, seems you don't really grasp just how big this whole thing is in comparison to everything else.

No, you people simply(may) underestimate how dangerous the WG may consider level 6 prisoners either collectively or just certain individuals. Yes take out one emperor just to replace them with people who they consider only a notch below in threat.

Yes this battle is important because the WG is trying to get rid of a powerful symbol of past piracy and more importantly one of the future. You're thinking their willing to destroy symbols using actual credible threats from the past they literally wanted to forget about? We'll see how happy Sengoku is when he Teach stands over WB's corpse Caterina&Shiryuu, by his side.

[onemoment]

@Vanessa:

And yes, as long as the end-result is Teach taking down Newgate it's feasible to suggest it. So like onemoment, seems you don't really grasp just how big this whole thing is in comparison to everything else.

Hey, I just don't think that NOTHING will change with Blackbeard's situation after he kills Whitebeard. He keeps his shichibukai postion, owns new crew mates, and the WG does nothing about it cause they won the day. There's no conflict there and that seems boring. True, you might say there's conflict elsewhere, but I can't believe things would go that smoothly with Blackbeard after all this time. And again, that's all assuming things go like we're predicting. All this is based on the belief that Blackbeard really is going to collect crew mates. Literally an assumption based on an assumption here. To call any idea ridiculous based on that just seems silly.

Plus, the marines have their cyborg army now. The whole "WG forgives Blackbeard" idea only words if the marines are losing (another assumption on an assumption), which you may say is plausible but for them to be "losing" requires the admirals and shichibukai to be removed from the picture–which I don't see happening. My big problem with this idea is that the WG should be smart enough to see the threat in Blackbeard. In this scenario he robs them, collects more power, and despite this last minute intervention he still shirked his responsibility--the WG wanted him there at the start of the battle with the rest of the shichibukai. The WG has too much to be pissed for, just because Whitebeard is dead doesn't mean they stop enforcing the law. As long as the other shichibukai are still standing I don't see them putting up with this.

[Vanessa]

@Ryuksgelus:

One is shaped like a cannonball, one has a hairy face like a wolf, and another looks like a crazy bitch. Not the only person who assumed these three repeatedly shown and emphasized during the Silver medalist comment are the three Iva was talking about. No different than Jean Bart being a random big dude/giant seen multiple times outside the auction house as an extra.

Except that they weren't. Besides they were only shown one time like a lot of prisoners and the one on the right was shown a second. Here's the one with all three.

! Now point out which one is which for me lol.

Who's the wolf, the cannonball and the bitch.

Following Teach doing as he pleases sure. Following Teach loosely following his WG commands like Moria, essentially being his Perona&Abasolom, no way.

Teach already does what he pleases, and anyone in his crew would know that he wants to become Pirate King so they wouldn't look at him as someone following the World Government. Guys like that wouldn't follow him if that were the case.

Franky was but only level 4 or possibly 5. Robin was being taken to Marineford to likely be killed or they were planning to use her knowledge for other means.

Franky knows about Pluton, he's getting thrown in level 6.

None of this refutes what I've said anyway.

300 degree water can kill you if you're in too long. Even weak pirates are stronger than regular people purely on lifestyle. They may just be able to take it, but most researchers aren't going too or any of the tortures in ID. Besides old man who kept on going despite bullet in him but whatever.

What are you even trying to prove with this. Stay on-track with whatever you're trying to say.

The fact of the matter is these guys researched the poneglyphs, if they weren't getting killed outright they'd be getting put in level 6 to be forgotten since what they were doing would warrant it.

Difference is Kidd has explained he only killed people who have made fun of him in the past, not indiscriminately killing people of all ages. Though even with that excuse its not odd to believe he'd be level 6 worthy as he grew in strength&reputation in the NW.

Kidd's bounty wouldn't have been so high if he wasn't killing a lot of people. We were told this through Shackey, and that apparently means a lot of people questioned his ambitions.

It bears repeating apaprently: simply doing those things wouldn't get someone put in level 6.

Bringing up Iva should speak even more on how dangerous the WG view level 6 prisoners, making it even more absurd to even contemplate letting them out.

They're not "letting them out" since they'd be broken out by Teach. Why you're using such words is beyond me.

Besides with the chance for the Navy and World Government to finally start making headway in the New World due to Newgate's death, those guys aren't a concern especially since they have the guy who'd made it happen on their side.

Though I think Iva not being on level 6 was just nonsense to give Luffy a powerful ally to take to war and incite a riot. Had Iva been a level 6 prisoner he'd easily figure out Ace wasn't Dragon's son and thus have no need to leave the prison.

Your "what if" scenarios don't matter here sorry.

I'm sorry but its incredibly retarded to believe for a second killing multiple islands full of people, only being stopped because somebody incredibly powerful was sent after you, isn't enough to be sent to level 6?

Sounds a lot like Kidd there. He gets caught, thrown in level 5 since his bounty exceededs $100,000,000.

Do you think most of the level 6 people are political prisoners, only killed key figures, or tried to revive ancient weapons?

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that.

Throw in people associated with the Roger Pirates that weren't outright killed(Tom) and people who've done sick shit and that'd likely be the kinds of people who are down there.

Lets not act obtuse, I could have used Lucci and spandam's dad and my point that you missed would have been the same. They see themselves as the good guys and tolerate such despicable people because they fight people much worse. If there aren't pirates worse than these individuals then Oda has his one big failure

Except none of those two above are unhinged in the brain, which is what you described as the kind of people who are prisoners in level 6, people who wouldn't be rational.

And that whole "if there aren't pirates worse than these individuals" was nowhere near what I suggested. Are you even trying to stay consistent with your posts?

I'm so confused? When did I say they wouldn't join Teach?

When you said that guys like that couldn't "control their violent tendencies" and are all psychos and sociopaths.

You clearly didn't read what I said a million times.

You clearly can't keep on track in this discussion.

Even reading this out of context(response to your post) it should be clear what I was talking about. They'd follow Teach, but Teach isn't allying such a powerful and downright evil aligned crew with the government. Neither side would would be willing and I doubt Teach had any intention of trying.

It's not about allying with the World Government. None of them would be doing it because of that.

They'd be a part of the Blackbeard Pirates, their captain would be Teach and they will follow him in whatever he ends up doing. Just like the current crewmembers he has now are.

You're acting like members of the Shichibukai actually listen to their employers on a constant basis.

No, you people simply(may) underestimate how dangerous the WG may consider level 6 prisoners either collectively or just certain individuals. Yes take out one emperor just to replace them with people who they consider only a notch below in threat.

A notch below in threat to them would be active pirates who weren't caught.Except that those guys wouldn't be taking Newgate's place. As far as the World Government's concerned they'd have won.

Yes this battle is important because the WG is trying to get rid of a powerful symbol of past piracy and more importantly one of the future. You're thinking their willing to destroy symbols using actual credible threats from the past they literally wanted to forget about? We'll see how happy Sengoku is when he Teach stands over WB's corpse Caterina&Shiryuu, by his side.

It isn't even up to Sengoku anyway. As Kuma said to Borsalino, ultimately they don't answer to the Navy.

And as big a situation as this currently is, I see them willing to let guys like that attempt in taking out their biggest challenge.

EDIT:
@onemoment:

Hey, I just don't think that NOTHING will change with Blackbeard's situation after he kills Whitebeard. He keeps his shichibukai postion, owns new crew mates, and the WG does nothing about it cause they won the day. There's no conflict there and that seems boring. True, you might say there's conflict elsewhere, but I can't believe things would go that smoothly with Blackbeard after all this time. And again, that's all assuming things go like we're predicting. All this is based on the belief that Blackbeard really is going to collect crew mates. Literally an assumption based on an assumption here. To call any idea ridiculous based on that just seems silly.

Who ever said it'd be smoothly. Of course it's not gonna be easy, none of what's been happening is.

And it's not even about just getting crewmembers. Hell it doesn't even matter what Teach went to Impel Down for, as long as whatever it is ends up turning the tide his position as an Armed Seas is safe.

Plus, the marines have their cyborg army now. The whole "WG forgives Blackbeard" idea only words if the marines are losing (another assumption on an assumption), which you may say is plausible but for them to be "losing" requires the admirals and shichibukai to be removed from the picture–which I don't see happening. My big problem with this idea is that the WG should be smart enough to see the threat in Blackbeard. In this scenario he robs them, collects more power, and despite this last minute intervention he still shirked his responsibility--the WG wanted him there at the start of the battle with the rest of the shichibukai. The WG has too much to be pissed for, just because Whitebeard is dead doesn't mean they stop enforcing the law. As long as the other shichibukai are still standing I don't see them putting up with this.

And "losing" would be Ace being like a second away from rescue, and that's whenever Teach with whatever he's got planned arrives and turns the tide.

And about the World Government: they put up with a lot from the guys in that position. Hell Jinbei:

-showed up at Marineford a few days prior and rampaged
-got thrown in Impel Down
-never changed his mind in time for the war
-was obviously against them when coming back to Marineford

Yet Sengoku still saw it fit to ask "if that was his answer" upon his arrival.

So not too much of a stretch. That's one of the major advantages, an Armed Seas doesn't get the law enforced upon him/her.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Vanessa:

Except that they weren't. Besides they were only shown one time like a lot of prisoners and the one on the right was shown a second. Here's the one with all three.

! http://dl01.mangashare.com/manga/One-Piece/529/006.jpgNow point out which one is which for me lol.

Who's the wolf, the cannonball and the bitch.

wolf
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/540/12/

Wolf&ball.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/540/14/

Ball man again.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/535/08/

Smaller person next to ball guy in your pic is who I heard suggested was a girl Re-looking I'm doubting its Caterina.

Teach already does what he pleases, and anyone in his crew would know that he wants to become Pirate King so they wouldn't look at him as someone following the World Government. Guys like that wouldn't follow him if that were the case.

Ok I see. I don't really think he'll be picky with who joins. Lots of people still have the mindset he'll always be like Luffy and only have a small group of Elites. My view is he'll have his original crew and some new guys as his top dogs but fodder level 6 as uber regular crewmembers. Even Roger seemed to have a decent sized fleet so I don't think you can become PK with just a few guys no matter who you are.

Franky knows about Pluton, he's getting thrown in level 6.

Yet destroying the blueprints only got him a 44 million bounty. The man who may be strong enough to be a level 5 inmate not even acknowledged as more than a threat than Bellamy.

None of this refutes what I've said anyway.

What was I trying to refute. I simply disagree that only knowledge could get to sent to the worst prison when there are likely other vicinities. Philosophers, Robin, even Franky wouldn't survive on level 6 so its kind of pointless to have them serve time there. What, put Robin and Clover in isolation on level 6? Why put them there in the first place then?

What are you even trying to prove with this. Stay on-track with whatever you're trying to say.

The fact of the matter is these guys researched the poneglyphs, if they weren't getting killed outright they'd be getting put in level 6 to be forgotten since what they were doing would warrant it.

I'm saying they would not even be considered to be put into ID. Its entirely pointless. Either kill them or put them somewhere else. You act like level 6 is the only place the WG has in the entire world where they'd never be heard from again. You're taking power and notoriety entirely out of the equation like its a non-factor for level 6 or ID.

Kidd's bounty wouldn't have been so high if he wasn't killing a lot of people. We were told this through Shackey, and that apparently means a lot of people questioned his ambitions.

So you'll just continue assuming he kills indiscriminately despite Oda trying to portray him in a better light when he started talking about being PK. He's strong so he's likely had tough fights. Bounty cannot be solely on killing/hurting innocents. Newer information(Kidd&Killer's talk) trumps older information.

It bears repeating apaprently: simply doing those things wouldn't get someone put in level 6.

Where are you getting your information? Buggy simply said they're horrible evil people. Iva described the inmates as either people who did bad shit or made the government look bad(Croc&Shiryuu). Jinbei is only there because hes too tough for 5 and I guess they don't want anybody to know a warlord went rogue so a bit of the latter. Everybody else could be there for far less clever reasons.

They're not "letting them out" since they'd be broken out by Teach. Why you're using such words is beyond me.

So someone as intelligent as you is arguing semantics? Teach lets them out, WG allows them to stay out according to your scenario. All I meant and you knew this.

Besides with the chance for the Navy and World Government to finally start making headway in the New World due to Newgate's death, those guys aren't a concern especially since they have the guy who'd made it happen on their side.

Why assume this to be true? For all you know that wolf dude took an entire buster call to put down and this was only after being weakened in a big fight with WB. A fight where he gave him one of his many big scars.

How about we see how strong these guys actually are before we start believing the WG doesn't care the occupants of their rumored level 6 are set free just because WB was killed. You do not know how dangerous they view a single prisoner or them collectively compared to WB, his fleet, or the combined might of his Allies. Somethings wrong when you have the view that people capable of causing damage on the same level as Mihawk&WB and far more willing to abuse such power wouldn't be much of a concern. Especially with more than 1 on the loose.

Your "what if" scenarios don't matter here sorry.

Sorry for bringing something new to a discussion. Off topic yes but the abrasiveness I don't understand. Other point still stands that apparently one of Dragon's Lieutenants isn't considered level 6 material despite seeming like one of the most dangerous people the government has in custody.

Sounds a lot like Kidd there. He gets caught, thrown in level 5 since his bounty exceededs $100,000,000.

Yes because killing 5000 people is the same as killing a million.

It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that.

Throw in people associated with the Roger Pirates that weren't outright killed(Tom) and people who've done sick shit and that'd likely be the kinds of people who are down there.

Didn't answer my question. Most of them do those specific things or most just psychotic killers? You keep on insisting simply killing isn't enough regardless of the number. Why use Tom as an example when people think he might actually be on level 5.

Except none of those two above are unhinged in the brain, which is what you described as the kind of people who are prisoners in level 6, people who wouldn't be rational.

….....? I said pirates worse than them. Guys who do things so horrible these guys are seen as acceptable employees.

And that whole "if there aren't pirates worse than these individuals" was nowhere near what I suggested. Are you even trying to stay consistent with your posts?

You realize this all goes together right?

What were you suggesting if I'm so off? Don't believe level 6 prisoners would ever follow the government seen loosely under Teach.

When you said that guys like that couldn't "control their violent tendencies" and are all psychos and sociopaths.

Seriously this is when? I didn't make it clear i'm talking about restraining themselves under the government? I really don't get the confusion. All I meant is that when set free they want to be completely free. Killing anybody, stealing anything, any time they want. On battlefield they'll relentlessly attack marine and pirate alike. Not stopping and mainly targeting WB because Teach tells Sengoku they're on their side.

You clearly can't keep on track in this discussion.

I've been consistent, stating the same thing multiple times.

It's not about allying with the World Government. None of them would be doing it because of that.

They'd be a part of the Blackbeard Pirates, their captain would be Teach and they will follow him in whatever he ends up doing. Just like the current crewmembers he has now are.

You're acting like members of the Shichibukai actually listen to their employers on a constant basis.

To keep his Schichibukai status he'd have to do bad things in secret like Croc, loosely follow his orders like most of them, or find loopholes in the law like Don Flammingo. I'm restate my point again. WG isn't going to tolerate Teach's men destroying stuff wherever they go and those Level 6 prisoners will not show the restraint needed to lay relatively low just getting out of prison.

A notch below in threat to them would be active pirates who weren't caught.

Except that those guys wouldn't be taking Newgate's place. As far as the World Government's concerned they'd have won.

Explain? I meant notch below in terms of individual power.

It isn't even up to Sengoku anyway. As Kuma said to Borsalino, ultimately they don't answer to the Navy.

Beyond the point. This is me just giving up on the conversation and waiting to see Senkoku's reaction to Teach entering the battlefield like Luffy did.

And as big a situation as this currently is, I see them willing to let guys like that attempt in taking out their biggest challenge.

And if these people were their biggest challenges beforehand?

[Ivotas]

@Ryuksgelus:

Like I said before, do you really think Silver Medalists weren't offered the position before with such reputations hinting they've rivaled WB before? They're older guys they must have had many many experiences before being sent to prison.

Possible but not a must. What you suggest isn't the only possible scenario. For all we know it might just aswell would have worked out that way, that they've been offered the position of a Warlord before they've been defeated by Newgate. And once that happened the WG rather took care of them by arresting them instead of offering them spots among the Warlords. It's a possible scenario.

It is ridiculous because we clearly see most of them still acting up even behind bars. Certainly the three Teach would most likely want to include. Seeing how Oda portrays them they're supposed to be the equivalent to the real world's most notorious criminals: Dahmer, Manson, . Not people who can be reasoned with, they just aren't mentally capable. People who when let out would go back to doing exactly what they did before and when you try to discuss fear or morality to them they give you a blank stare.

What you seem to forget is that some of the real Warlords themselves aren't that polite when it comes down to it. Just look at Hancocks behaviour towards Momonga or what DoFlamingo did during the Mariejoa meeting back then in chapter 234. I don't consider this much better behaviour then from the Level 6 prisoners. In fact it's worse considering that it comes from the allies. The Level 6 prisoners at least have the excuse that they are enemies and behind prison bars so why behaving.

I don't think the WG is so naive or desperate they'd allow loose people even Iva didn't consider letting out. Really I think you are severely underestimating how dangerous the WG thought these guys to put them on level 6 in the first place. These are probably the type of pirates personally sent there by Shichibukai, Admirals, Vice Admirals, or left for dead by WB&Shanks…maybe personally.

Oh but the WG is exactly that desperate. Otherwise the Warlords wouldn't consist of superstrong pirates but other kinds of people like bounty hunters for instance or whatsoever.

The last two are people that could very well be as nasty as any level 6 prisoner and just recruit them. If they weren't allies or former crew members to begin with.

Possible but at the same time what I suggest is just as possible aswell.

[onemoment]

@Vanessa:

EDIT:
Who ever said it'd be smoothly. Of course it's not gonna be easy, none of what's been happening is.

And it's not even about just getting crewmembers. Hell it doesn't even matter what Teach went to Impel Down for, as long as whatever it is ends up turning the tide his position as an Armed Seas is safe.

Considering chapter 544, I still don't consider BB very caring of this position anymore. Why spend a few panels discussing "giving up the shichibukai" position then do nothing with it later, in fact unveiling that BB's position was never in any real danger at all? Did Crocodile completely waste our time, and does he have no idea what it takes to lose your position as a shichibukai?

I mean, there are plenty of good reasons to stay as a shichibukai, but that doesn't mean that BB shares the same logic or sense of waste you and I do. I'm still behind the idea that whatever BB is doing at Impel Down is worth this.

And no, he still couldn't have broken into Impel Down otherwise, no one's suggested a practical plan yet. That's a prison right next to Marineford, in a weeks time (in fact, that's going by what the other guy said, if he stole a marine ship elsewhere it'd take longer) there's the risk of multiple VAs and even an Admiral (like Kizaru just hanging around) should he fight his way there. The Marine's information network isn't that bad, some people seem to be forgetting they have plenty of ways to communicate with each other and cut them off before they reach there, and breaking into Impel Down that way is could end up being the same as breaking into Marineford itself. Even a shichibukai can't accomplish that. Despite his strength, it's a stupid idea.

And "losing" would be Ace being like a second away from rescue, and that's whenever Teach with whatever he's got planned arrives and turns the tide.

And about the World Government: they put up with a lot from the guys in that position. Hell Jinbei:

-showed up at Marineford a few days prior and rampaged
-got thrown in Impel Down
-never changed his mind in time for the war
-was obviously against them when coming back to Marineford

Yet Sengoku still saw it fit to ask "if that was his answer" upon his arrival.

So not too much of a stretch. That's one of the major advantages, an Armed Seas doesn't get the law enforced upon him/her.

I'm pretty sure that was…for lack of a better term, dramatic sarcasm. "So this is your answer," knowing that Jimbei was out of the shicihbukai the entire time.

Edit: Aaaand, it occurs to me that we're going in circles. I feel that more information will be needed for anything to change with this.

[Ryuksgelus]

@Ivotas:

Possible but not a must. What you suggest isn't the only possible scenario. For all we know it might just aswell would have worked out that way, that they've been offered the position of a Warlord before they've been defeated by Newgate. And once that happened the WG rather took care of them by arresting them instead of offering them spots among the Warlords. It's a possible scenario.

So you think they simply could have had their offer taken away from them upon loosing. Seems like an awefully specific scenario.

What you seem to forget is that some of the real Warlords themselves aren't that polite when it comes down to it. Just look at Hancocks behaviour towards Momonga or what DoFlamingo did during the Mariejoa meeting back then in chapter 234. I don't consider this much better behaviour then from the Level 6 prisoners. In fact it's worse considering that it comes from the allies. The Level 6 prisoners at least have the excuse that they are enemies and behind prison bars so why behaving.

Because their lies are completely in Magellan's contol yet they still don't care. Kinda hints when out they are far less unrully than any Warlord. Current ones behave the way they do because of pride, agenda's, unique world perspectives(Don Flammingo), and disagreement with WG values. Most level 6 inmates seem they act they way they do for far simpler reasons. Because they want too. You're still with the mindset these guys are no crazier than previous villains when it looks like Oda was trying to portray them as the OP world's Dahmers, Mansons, Holmes, Ottis Toole, Ted Bundy, etc.

Oh but the WG is exactly that desperate. Otherwise the Warlords wouldn't consist of superstrong pirates but other kinds of people like bounty hunters for instance or whatsoever.

Because bounty hunters exist with the same rep&strength as the Schickibukai? This far into the series I'm gonna take a guess they don't exist. Those big bounties are purely for Marines&WG officers to make extra dough and of course the current shichibukai.

Possible but at the same time what I suggest is just as possible aswell.

Lots of ideas are possible without sounding absurd. That still doesn't make them likely. If level 6 has guys who simply are like the current warlords and Teach brings them ignoring most of the others then your idea about them becoming New Warlords or helping just BB will make sense. Just don't see it, wouldn't be suprised if many level 6 prisones are weaker than many level 5 prisoners. Difference being level 5 people seem like they could be redeemed when their sentences are up, as shown by the two on the escape ship(they were level 5) talking about starting anew.

[Ivotas]

@Ryuksgelus:

So you think they simply could have had their offer taken away from them upon loosing. Seems like an awefully specific scenario.

Every plot is an awefully specific scenario so that point isn't really an argument here.

Because their lies are completely in Magellan's contol yet they still don't care. Kinda hints when out they are far less unrully than any Warlord. Current ones behave the way they do because of pride, agenda's, unique world perspectives(Don Flammingo), and disagreement with WG values. Most level 6 inmates seem they act they way they do for far simpler reasons. Because they want too. You're still with the mindset these guys are no crazier than previous villains when it looks like Oda was trying to portray them as the OP world's Dahmers, Mansons, Holmes, Ottis Toole, Ted Bundy, etc.

So far I didn't see anything that indicates that those specific prisoners are worse then the current Warlords. From what we've seen so far the only "crimes" those guys commited were yelling a bit around in prison. That's hardly enough to convince me neither that they are the OP world's Dahmers, Mansons, Holmes etc. NOR that they are worse personality wise then the current Warlords. Heck, if we go by actions alone then so far Sir Crocodile is the by far worst criminal in Level 6 because of his actions back at Arabasta. And he was a Warlord once.

Because bounty hunters exist with the same rep&strength as the Schickibukai? This far into the series I'm gonna take a guess they don't exist. Those big bounties are purely for Marines&WG officers to make extra dough and of course the current shichibukai.

Still making a deal with pirates to give them a status among the world's biggest powers seems like a pretty desperate move from the WG to me.

[CatManDo]

@Ivotas:

So far I didn't see anything that indicates that those specific prisoners are worse then the current Warlords. From what we've seen so far the only "crimes" those guys commited were yelling a bit around in prison. That's hardly enough to convince me neither that they are the OP world's Dahmers, Mansons, Holmes etc. NOR that they are worse personality wise then the current Warlords. Heck, if we go by actions alone then so far Sir Crocodile is the by far worst criminal in Level 6 because of his actions back at Arabasta. And he was a Warlord once.

Not every Supernova took out 2 Shichibukai and a God of another land before reaching Shabondy. Some were there to tear up civilians and goof around. Crocodile was Shichibukai BEFORE his actions in Arabasta you dork. The fact that he knew Iva suggests he was always an ambitious lad. They evaluate anyone before employing them, it's a business. So like one, they have a reputation to uphold, an imposing white hand over the world. They don't want to slaughter White Beard with a lot of gross pirates, they'll use clean, biblical light to incinerate him.

@Ivotas:

Still making a deal with pirates to give them a status among the world's biggest powers seems like a pretty desperate move from the WG to me.

It's a compromise. Pirates know more about pirates than they do. Get the bully to beat on the smaller ones, fight fire with fire, dig?

[4rcher]

If necessary, Usopps followers will step in.

[Maki707]

Okay with the recent events and amount of foreshadowing that has went on since this arc started it is becoming really apparent that Whitebeard is going to die in this war arc.
The question is how and who will get the final decisive blow to finish the world's strongest man?

[Kishido]

@Maki707:

Okay with the recent events and amount of foreshadowing that has went on since this arc started it is becoming really apparent that Whitebeard is going to die in this war arc.
The question is how and who will get the final decisive blow to finish the world's strongest man?

WB will sacrifice himself or jst bbe worn out…

[MmmBug]

My bets on Sengoku until proven otherwise by way of gunshot. :/ That is the most tragic way I can think of. :(

[wolfwood]

Garp will lay him to rest with the fist of love.

[MmmBug]

@wolfwood:

Garp will lay him to rest with the fist of love.

That would be a much nicer and warmer death. I'm still hoping he somehow gets out of this alive but even then I still think he'd just die on his death bed.

[wolfwood]

As long as it is an old timer that does him in i'll have no problem with him dying.

That means it should be either Blackbeard, Garp, or Sengoku that executes the coup de grace.

[MmmBug]

Yes first vote, awesome poll and nice answers, pwngoat kills WhiteBeard headlines would somehow feel wrong. xD

No-one finishes him, he collapses by himself That answer is basically killed by Squardo and his sickness combined.

I agree with wolfwood it should be one of the old guys.

[h3h3h3]

Probably Blackbeard, I'm pretty sure he's gonna show up in few chaps.

[Maki707]

@MmmBug:

Yes first vote, awesome poll and nice answers,

Haha great thanks :happy:

[Hati]

Whitebeard won't die.

[MagneticMonkey]

Blackbeard pirates. With BB looking at him surrounded by darkness laughing "zehahahaha".

[juan73908]

I miss the Sichibukais in the poll, Doflamingo, Kuma, Moria, or even Mihawk would be interested in killing WB too.
And you forgot Garp too, he is one of the few that can stop WB now that he started to attack.