I've been thinking over this for awhile.
Does anyone else think that North Blue might be the toughest and most dangerous of the four blues? Of course, we aren't counting the Grandline in this.
I've noticed several of the most "Impressive" pirates have come from there. Bellamy (sure we know he was a wimp before Luffy, but he had the entire Mock town in fear of him), Sanji, and at least 3 of the newly introduced 11 Supernova.
What does everyone else think?
http://arlongpark.net/Encyclopedia/Atlas
I've always assumed that the toughest are North and West Blue because they lie at the New World Side, whereas East and South Blue lie on the beginning of the Grand Line Side.
moria was from west blue right? (at least his island ship was)
where was shanks from?
I dont think we can determine that based on who is from where, after all the guy that is destioned to become the strongest is from the weakest blue.
I think we will have to consider them (Edit: as in the three remaining blues for those that doesn't get that… ctarlong) equal untill Oda states which one is the tougher/stronger.
he's stated east is the weakest (I think), so I don't consider them equal
Gol D. Roger, Zorro and Luffy are from the East blue, I think it's safe to say that Dragon and Ace are from there too.
So, the east blue isn't that bad, only it's best products have been exported to the Grand Line.
But I agree with Kma, the blues on the New World side are bound to be stronger.
shanks was from west blue
he's stated east is the weakest (I think), so I don't consider them equal
yeah, I kinda already mentioned that… what I meant was the other three.
Same as your opinion.
The first idea strikes me is that by linking the thinking between OP's world & the real world, we find most mighty countries are in the northern hemisphere.
And my impression tells me some rare merchandises and strange animals seem to be more from the south blue.
But I think that's just Oda's intuitional feeling.^^
i think we cant decide this by "which blue has the strongest pirates" cause than east blue wouldnt be titled as the weakest cause gol.D was from it(lougetown)..
its more like which blue has the highest bounty-average…like east blue has 3 million...so luffy was with his 30 million titled as the strongest in the east....very low bounty for that title.. but we cant say how this bounty-average is in the other blues...
That was just the highest initial bounty DonFamingo. Afaik we don't know what the record bounty in that region was.
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
No, it's West Blue, by far:
West Blue gave us:
Robin
Saul
Moria
Lafitte
Capone Bege
Shanks
Brooke
Yorki
It's also possible that the blue's strength is in some way measured by how easy it is to sail that particular ocean. I've always thought that part of the reason the Grand Line is considered so dangerous is it's bizarre weather patterns.
I've always thought that part of the reason the Grand Line is considered so dangerous is it's bizarre weather patterns.
Belive it was stated that that was partly the reason. And I agree with your statement, doesnt make sense that with all the people that came from east blue it is still considered the weakest in any other terms.
That was just the highest initial bounty DonFamingo. Afaik we don't know what the record bounty in that region was.
:sad:how you write my name mayestro
and yeah sure we don`t know the record(more likely gol.D could have a higher initial bounty) but luffy was titled as the strongest in the east blue with just a bounty of 30 million(title of vol.11 stated this)…so he was at this mom the 1 with the highest bounty their...or how could than some1 like krieg hoping to be the king in the east blue when their are so much stronger guys than a 30million-guy around...
Another thing that has bothered me about the question of Blue strength is the fact that Smoker was put in charge of guarding what was basically the gate to the Grand Line for that region. Why send a man with the strength of a HQ captain to guard the weakest ocean? Is it just because Smoker is a pain in the ass to his superiors? Or is it because they acknowledge the fact that East Blue has this habit of churning out the odd world class fighter?
Also, I think North Blue may be the 'strongest' blue for some of the reasons already touched upon in this thread.
Another thing that has bothered me about the question of Blue strength is the fact that Smoker was put in charge of guarding what was basically the gate to the Grand Line for that region. Why send a man with the strength of a HQ captain to guard the weakest ocean? Is it just because Smoker is a pain in the ass to his superiors? Or is it because they acknowledge the fact that East Blue has this habit of churning out the odd world class fighter?
Also, I think North Blue may be the 'strongest' blue for some of the reasons already touched upon in this thread.
i think more that lougetown was the birthplace of gol.D and so a very important point on the map for the marine…but surely also cause smoker is a pain in the ass for his superiors lol
maybe its because its his hometown? (he was there as a kid when GDR was executrd iirc) maybe he requested to be stationed there?
It could be that, while several legendary pirates are from East Blue, these are rare. While North Blue has the most consistent output of tough pirates.
maniaxe same could be said for both south and west blue as well…
Perhaps (insert compass direction here) blue has the most consistent output of tough pirates.
The TC doesn't even have that good examples of strong north blue residents, none of them are above rookie lvl. He just decided this on a whim he got while reading the last chapter.
Seriously this can't be decided untill Oda tells us in a little text bubble, sbs or interview or something..
Though to be honest, I doubt it will ever come up. East Blue being called the weakest made sense as it was to put the level of the fights up until that point into perspective but I doubt the ranking of the other three will ever be mentioned.
It's odd that East Blue, the one that was the home to the Pirate King, is considered the weakest. Not to mention that if Garp and Dragon were both born in East Blue then it's home to what is probably the strongest freaking family alive.
I thought South Blue was pretty tough.
Wasn't that where the karate island was?
It's odd that East Blue, the one that was the home to the Pirate King, is considered the weakest. Not to mention that if Garp and Dragon were both born in East Blue then it's home to what is probably the strongest freaking family alive.
uhm… what evidence do you have that ANY of those people are from the East Blue? Garp is stationed at HQ, which would be a likely origin for Dragon. And just because Roger died there doesn't mean he was born there.
East Blue is simply the place Garp used to abandon Luffy, and it would make perfect sense if he chose to leave his heir in the safest of the possible seas, right?
uhm… what evidence do you have that ANY of those people are from the East Blue? Garp is stationed at HQ, which would be a likely origin for Dragon. And just because Roger died there doesn't mean he was born there.
East Blue is simply the place Garp used to abandon Luffy, and it would make perfect sense if he chose to leave his heir in the safest of the possible seas, right?
Well, we can't talk for Garp or Dragon, but it was explicitly stated Roger was born and died in Loguetown:
(From Stephen's Scripts)
Nami: So, it's within range…
If we can see that island now,
it means we're finally getting close to the Grand Line!
That's the location of the famous Loguetown,
otherwise known as "The Town of Beginning and End."
It's where the once-Pirate King Gold Roger was born...
...and where he was executed.
And just because Roger died there doesn't mean he was born there.
@arlongpark.net:
Wealth, fame, power: All of this and more had the Pirate King, Gold Roger, the legendary master who tamed the Grand Line – a feat no other man had, or has, accomplished. By methods unknown Roger was captured and brought to Loguetown, the place of his birth, where he spoke those famous words that sent a shockwave through the very core of the world:
http://www.arlongpark.net/Characters/GoldRoger
Edit: FFA beat me to it.
uhm… what evidence do you have that ANY of those people are from the East Blue? Garp is stationed at HQ, which would be a likely origin for Dragon. And just because Roger died there doesn't mean he was born there.
East Blue is simply the place Garp used to abandon Luffy, and it would make perfect sense if he chose to leave his heir in the safest of the possible seas, right?
According to Luffy, Garp never treated Luffy in a "safe" manner. I would imagine he would leave Luffy somewhere where he would become stronger.
I always thought that the ranking for the strength of the blues was determined by the average bounty (in this case, bounty is a measure of strength) of their criminals.
We however can't determine where the North Blue, or any of the other blues besides East blue, rank in terms of strength. Whilst we may know a few remarkable individuals from the other seas, they do not represent the majority; they may be the Luffys and Zoros to their own respective sea: the extreme end of the bell curve. The only thing we know for certain is that the East Blue is the weakest, with an average bounty of 3 million beri.
References:
[hide]From Stephens scripts: One Piece, Volume 6, Chapter 51
Mihawk: I am not a stupid beast who needs to use all of his power just to hunt rabbits.
(pop)
You may fancy yourself a renowned bladesman,
But of the four seas divided by the Red Line and Grand Line,
East Blue is the WEAKEST of them all.[/hide]
[hide] From Stephen's scripts: One Piece, Volume 11, Chapter 96
[World Government Forces, "Marine Headquarters"]
Sign: Marines
Officers: So what you are saying is that this group
can no longer be contained by our branch forces…?
Precisely.
Speaker: "Buggy the Clown," 15 million berries.
Pirate Fleet Admiral "Don Krieg," 17 million berries.
Fishman Pirate Crew "Arlong the Saw," 20 million berries!!
[Marine Headquarters Lieutenant Commander]
[Brandnew]
Brandnew: These pirate crews have breached the 10 million berry mark,
high above the East Blue average of three million,
but they have all been neutralized.
30 million might seem like an extraordinary amount for an initial bounty,
but we feel that it is entirely appropriate, given the circumstances.
We must pluck out this seed of evil now to prevent the possibility of further damage!!!
[/hide]
@FFA & Gorlom: My mistake, duly corrected.
Although, if we really want to decide which of the Seas is the strongest, I would argue that the Grandline would be the most obvious choice.
@Fire Fist:
No, it's West Blue, by far:
West Blue gave us:
Robin
Saul
Moria
Lafitte
Capone Bege
Shanks
Brooke
Yorki
You forgot Dazzbones
well,after luffy becomes pirate king the east will be the most powerful, having two kings come from the east blue.
Even then it would be difficult to make the case based on just two pirates, no matter how powerful, out of what is probably hundreds.
yeah but out of the hundreds that those two beat. AND we also have luffy's up and coming rival, toby, and even hemp. Then you have smoker and then the Former and Up n' coming king of the pirates.
Right now we already have Smoker, Gol D. Roger, and probably Garp coming from East Blue, not to mention the possibility of Dragon though that would be an unknown. You can't deny that the East Blue has a tendency to produce powerful fighters but I think the grade is weighted by other things rather than power of its inhabitants.
Just a guess, but perhaps Mihawk saying east blue as being the weakest is because the pirates that remain there are weaker than those of the others. East of blue has so far has produced most of the strongest characters in OP but they didn't stay in east blue. For example, the SH immediately set out for the grand line. The pirate lording it over east blue was arlong because he was content in slaving a village rather than oppose other pirates. It is also possible that Ace and the others started getting their bounties after leaving east blue.
I would say West Blue is slightly tougher than others blue.
Most of the known bounty's head came from West Blue.
