Well, maybe Hogback and Chopper will team up temporary. Who knows, Hogback's words sounded more like him begging the SH to go with them rather than using the chance to strike them down with Absalom's help.
Chapter 485 "Strawhat Crew Member: Pirate Hunter Zoro" Discussion
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Okay… Kuma is the biggest fucking moron in the history of time.
Why would he ever consider trading Luffys pain to Zoro, when it's clear that Kuma could kill them all in a matter of seconds?
"Oh, this guy is willing to let me kill him, so his captain can live. That's so cool! I could just kill them all with my super mega strong robot fist, but no, thats not as fun."
Eh...But yeah, pretty awsome chapter nonetheless. Zoro for the win. :)
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Kuma: Right now, I have ejected from his body "pain" and "fatigue."
Kuma: This is all the damage he has sustained from the battle with Moria.
Where you at Zoro haters?! cough onemeoment, cough Salarath, CP9Lucci etc etc!
"It's not Zoro's time", "There is now way Zoro could take on a shichibukai."
"Sanji and Zoro are equal" nope, Sanji got dismissed by Zoro.Pretty good chapter.
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Wasn't Kuma or Moria talking about Ace earlier in the arc? Why is Oda just ignoring this and having Kuma leave now?
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Damn there is a thing that bugs me… At page 17, Zoro's hand are inside that paw thingy and at the last page we cant see his hands.Wonder if there is a serius injury or just a coincidence..
EDIT: Plus i think that at the next picture we see some blood...
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@Fire Fist:
Yes, because Zoro has an actual job on the ship, like, say… feeding them, or Healing them, or cooking for them, or navigating the ship, or gathering information...
Zoro is there because he's the best fighter and keeps his cool in stressful situations. As far as jobs go on the ship, he doesn't really have one. He doesn't train anyone, he doesn't ration out the weapons or anything... he sleeps, fights, and keeps his cool. That's about it.
ya then id say the same about Luffy. During the arc where nami was knocked out they still sailed…YEs shes important...but plz dont say hes useless. Without Zoro they would have all died now...or at least Sanji would have. Dont tell me he would have took the pain and lived...
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Thanks for the scan and the translation!
Zoro: That's a favor to ask if you're going to die.
Kuma: It seems now..If I do anything to Mugiwara, my honor would be at stake.
Sorry if this is totally dumb, but I just wanted to clear something up about this part. Right before dropping his swords, Zoro asked a specific favor of Kuma (offscreen), right? It's not clear yet what exactly it was, right? Or was this just some generic "warrior's promise" thing?
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Okay… Kuma is the biggest fucking moron in the history of time.
Why would he ever consider trading Luffys pain to Zoro, when it's clear that Kuma could kill them all in a matter of seconds?
"Oh, this guy is willing to let me kill him, so his captain can live. That's so cool! I could just kill them all with my super mega strong robot fist, but no, thats not as fun."
Eh...But yeah, pretty awsome chapter nonetheless. Zoro for the win. :)
In chapter 484, Kuma said that there would be no fun in killing an already severely injured crew. He said that in exchange for their lives, all he needed was Luffy's. Basically, he didn't feel like killing everyone if they weren't fighting at their best, so he was willing to let them off at the cost of only one life. So I guess he was just gracious enough to take Zoro's instead of Luffy's.
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Luffy and Zoro . Remember the time in arabasta arc when Zoro said :'' I don't know exactly what's keeping me on this ship, but i know there is something strange relating to me Luffy but i can't explain it or understand it. '' he said something like that…wth was he talking about?..i think he was talking to Chopper back then.
OH and id love Brooke to look like Ryuuma..although He looks really cool already but Ryuuma is just such a badass:D -
Thanks for the scan and the translation!
Sorry if this is totally dumb, but I just wanted to clear something up about this part. Right before dropping his swords, Zoro asked a specific favor of Kuma (offscreen), right? It's not clear yet what exactly it was, right? Or was this just some generic "warrior's promise" thing?
Zoro said "Goshou no tanomi da." Which means something along the lines of "A favor of the afterlife" or "Do me this favor after I've died."
I'm also confused by what he meant by that..He might have been asking Kuma to do something with his swords once he died..Maybe bury them with him? Not really sure..
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Luffy and Zoro . Remember the time in arabasta arc when Zoro said :'' I don't know exactly what's keeping me on this ship, but i know there is something strange relating to me Luffy but i can't explain it or understand it. '' he said something like that…wth was he talking about?..i think he was talking to Chopper back then.
I think that was filler for the anime only. I think, it's been a while since I read Alabasta.
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Wow, this really is LQ. Thanks anyway, BF.
Kuma, what the fuck is he doing?
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Why would he ever consider trading Luffys pain to Zoro, when it's clear that Kuma could kill them all in a matter of seconds?
"Oh, this guy is willing to let me kill him, so his captain can live. That's so cool! I could just kill them all with my super mega strong robot fist, but no, thats not as fun."I agree. It's so stupid. The whole scene doesn't make sense end exists only to show that Zoro is tough/badass/indestructible.
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From what I've read in the translation (credit to Ulrilra) Kuma decides not to kill everyone on the island because he wants to preserve his honor. He isn't stupid. He simply was merciful because of Zoro's sacrifice.
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I agree. It's so stupid. The whole scene doesn't make sense end exists only to show that Zoro is tough/badass/indestructible.
Well this might be true, but I believe that this wants to show us about a Warrior Pride. Zoro threw all his pride away when he begged.And it seems that Kuma isn't a guy who doesn't consider all these things and just kills everyone cause he was ordered so.Well all this remind us of AoKiji but whatever.It's fine by me anywayz.
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Both Kuma and Zoro has honor. Kuma has honor as a pacifist, Zoro his honor as a warrior. The swordman just pushed the right buttons to make Kuma spare his captain and instead took an inhuman amount of pain to save his life instead of Luffy getting killed. I don't see any problems.
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Thank you! :D
stares at the end Dammmmmnnnn. o.O
That freaking painful looking.
(Oooh, Mouth cannon. XD)
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Damn there is a thing that bugs me… At page 17, Zoro's hand are inside that paw thingy and at the last page we cant see his hands.Wonder if there is a serius injury or just a coincidence..
EDIT: Plus i think that at the next picture we see some blood...
Look closer at the last page, you can see one of his hands.
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Kuma is offcially my least favorite Warlord of the Sea, never really cared for him anyways.
Oda could've ended it worst, I assume.
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Okay… Kuma is the biggest fucking moron in the history of time.
Why would he ever consider trading Luffys pain to Zoro, when it's clear that Kuma could kill them all in a matter of seconds?
"Oh, this guy is willing to let me kill him, so his captain can live. That's so cool! I could just kill them all with my super mega strong robot fist, but no, thats not as fun."
Eh...But yeah, pretty awsome chapter nonetheless. Zoro for the win. :)
Well, it seems that Kuma is a man of honour (a bit like Ao Kiji ?) so after Zoro and Sanji offered their live for their captain, he just couldn't kill Luffy and byebye.
So he must indeed be gone if he thinks that Zoro died from the transfer, as it would honour his promise.
Now, next week (hopefully) we have to find out what happened to Zoro, and if/how he will survive. I must say that if he was able to take all the pain Luffy accumulated during the whole arc, plus his own one, he is certainly physically stronger than Luffy just yet…
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people basically had a pre-existing idea of kuma and he is not conforming to it…people wanted him to be a mindless killing machine....pretty silly if you ask me. We dont even know what motivates him yet, it was never primarilly stated if he was purely under control of the government...he obviously still has a sense of himself.
Also, for people saying Zoro occupies a lesser position in the crew...he doesnt...he is the chief mate, second in command...it is as important as any other role...
I think after this its choppers time to shine...to show he is superior to hogback without having to resort to his dark arts...alot of the characters are getting development in this arc...more than in enies lobby even.
Also, people need to stop with the zorro vs luffy stuff....luffy is clearly the strongest in the crew...this is the case until zorro starts taking on all the strongest enemies...still in a 1 on 1...it would be too close to call...look at the ussop vs luffy fight. Luffys ability is more versatile though
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Now, next week (hopefully) we have to find out what happened to Zoro, and if/how he will survive.
i don't think it'll be revealed just like that in the next chapter. but then again …. we'll see.
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maybe Hogback will help heal Zoro, since he didn't wanna end up a loser, helping the man who will be the strongest swordsman should give him some pride.
Where you at Zoro haters?! cough onemeoment, cough Salarath, CP9Lucci etc etc!
"It's not Zoro's time", "There is now way Zoro could take on a shichibukai."
"Sanji and Zoro are equal" nope, Sanji got dismissed by Zoro.I don't know how you would consider me a hater, i so love Zoro but I don't worship him, anyway…...
1)well everyone was right, there's no way Zoro could take Kuma, this chapter made it pretty danm clear
2)Zoro and Sanji are very close, I mean people don't give Sanji enough credit, he's already been impailed through the heart and took the most damage from Oz, and was willing to sacrifice himself for Zoro's dream (which was very moving) but Zoro outshined him this time, this chapter developed their relationship more. -
This is the most forced thing Oda has pulled so far, even more than the Merry coming back thing, wich actually made sense since we already knew of Klabuterman, but in Kuma's case, everything he allowed us to know about him was that he was a Pirate known for commiting every crime known in piratecy. One would have tought such things as Honor wouldn't matter at all for someone like Kuma.
I think he's just waiting for Luffy to balance the entrance of Blackbeard…..
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
This is the most forced thing Oda has pulled so far, even more than the Merry coming back thing, wich actually made sense since we already knew of Klabuterman, but in Kuma's case, everything he allowed us to know about him was that he was a Pirate known for commiting every crime known in piratecy. One would have tought such things as Honor wouldn't matter at all for someone like Kuma.
I think he's just waiting for Luffy to balance the entrance of Blackbeard…..
i disagree you could be honorable and still be vicious. Look at kurama and hiei from Yu Yu hakusho. He doesn't like to fight opponents unless there 100% and where they are 100% he completely dismantles them.
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Oh well, I'm taking into account "Crewmate Killing", assuming that Oda actually meant Kuma did EVERY crime known in piratecy.
You can't say BB was pretty honorable if he went around the rule of "Finders keepers" just to kill his superior back at WB's crew.
If Kuma actually got rid of a crew that served him in the past, then I don't see how that would make him any "honorable"…..
Anyways, this sounds like stuff that should be asked in a SBS.
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This chapter was a bit of a let-down. The leap of logic here for Kuma to trade the entire crew for Luffy, then trade Luffy for Zoro, and then leave with Zoro still alive makes no sense.
However, since it seems I'm the only one who did not like it, I'll stay quiet and let you enjoy the chapter instead of starting an argument.
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Good to see Kuma definitly isn't a "ROBOT TERMINATOR MADE BY VEGAPUNK"
you could clearly see an arm with veins under the metal on his shoulder.I still don't think were done with Kuma on TB yet.
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Really? I tought his arm was completely mechanic unlike other parts of his body.
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Paying close attention as usual.
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People need to consider that Kuma left believing Zoro was dead. In other words, taking the life of one of the crew members in exchange for leaving the rest alive just like he had said a couple of chapters back.
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thing is people are questioning Kuma's motives…when they know nothing about his motives...nothing has been revealed...therefore how can he be inconsistant...! It said he was a tyrant in the past, thus people have certain expectations.. He has obviously changed since then...I mean it was alluded to along time ago with his bible...a clue to a 'reformed' character
Oda has portrayed the head of the marines and the WG as pretty ruthless, and dropping many hints that there are people in the ranks who do not agree with certain aspects of the policy... In a wacky theory, perhaps Kuma has already defected and has sided with Dragon... they obviously know each other. I dont necessarily believe this, but its obvious he at least has his own code of honour, and is not the government dog that others preconcieved
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Stop taking the end of the chapter so literally. A lot of you are acting like its the end of… well whatever. Almost every chapter has some form of cliffhanger at the end, and this is no exception. Also, Kuma is many things, and the two main attributes we see are his cruelty and his honor exemplafied (sp) into one. He chose his own form of justice. Since Zoro became the subsitiute, he took on all Luffy's pain & fatigue. It was essentially a duel, where Zoro used the only weapon he had left (his spirit) vs. Kuma's cruel method of attack.
We should get some more explination next chapter, obviously. Its not over till they get on the boat and sail away.
edit: Oh, now that we know Kuma is a robot/cyborg, do you think we'll ever find out if the "ears" on his hat are part of his hat or attached to his head since hes a paw paw man?
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Well, maybe, if we see more of Kuma in the future that validate that he may have ulterior motives for helping the Strawhats, then maybe my appreciation for this chapter may rise. But so far, it does seem strange that the "only Shichibukai to obey orders" would actually trade a clear victory for a dubious pact with the enemy that does not benefit the WG at all…
(Also, the pain transfer thing was very weird, but Kuma's powers are very weird to begin with)
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Paying close attention as usual.
Well, considering that I never download any chapters, I always wait for the OM uploads to read them. Now, don't get all cranky because I just skipped such a thing from a crappy cam pic.
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So Kuma didn't want to shame himself by killing Luffy yet?
I guess I'll accept it. It's kind of a weak reason, but oh wells. Zoro is badass in this chapter.
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I don't think Kuma is on anyone's side particularly. This isn't like Aokiji who has his own ways of doing things against the government dog idea. He was still willing to kill Luffy and everyone on Thriller Bark but Zoro played on his changed morality (well changed from the known "Kuma the Tyrant") to merely give him the "pain transfer". In a way, Oda was just working with what he had and its a sufficient way to finish the arc.
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OK, which that translation I kind of like this chain of events a little more.
Kuma's honor was at stake, so killing Luffy at that juncture was out of the question.
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Well, considering that I never download any chapters, I always wait for the OM uploads to read them. Now, don't get all cranky because I just skipped such a thing from a crappy cam pic.
Nice to know you were argueing without seeing the picture, or were argueing with the even crappier spoiler pic? Which makes no sense?
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This chapter was a bit of a let-down. The leap of logic here for Kuma to trade the entire crew for Luffy, then trade Luffy for Zoro, and then leave with Zoro still alive makes no sense.
However, since it seems I'm the only one who did not like it, I'll stay quiet and let you enjoy the chapter instead of starting an argument.
I agree with this
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@Kaimei-Karasuhebi:
Oh well, I'm taking into account "Crewmate Killing", assuming that Oda actually meant Kuma did EVERY crime known in piratecy.
You can't say BB was pretty honorable if he went around the rule of "Finders keepers" just to kill his superior back at WB's crew.
If Kuma actually got rid of a crew that served him in the past, then I don't see how that would make him any "honorable"…..
Anyways, this sounds like stuff that should be asked in a SBS.
where is this vast amount of speculation coming from ?
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Damn, I'm really liking Kuma's character. Plus, he's looking to be one of those fabled "shichibukai that don't have to be beaten by the SHs." Sure, he beat down the crew, but I don't see any need for Kuma to fight the SHs again unless something else comes up in the future.
I'm glad his powers are so complex. I notice that translation says that Kuma is made entirely of metal–so he's a robot/android? Anyway, it's a totally satisfying ending. I was hoping that Kuma would somehow leave--otherwise we couldn't get those nice goodbye/party scenes at the ends of each arc.
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can someone please explain me whats with the change of the location?
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OP manga v.2 has the raw and heres a WORKING sendspace link,courtesy of rosanovella from OPHQ.
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What we all need to think of at this point is that Kuma is going to report that Zoro is dead to the WG. What happens to Zoro's bounty? His credit? Zoro won't even exist to the WG any more. That's bound to piss him off and cause some problems. How's Oda gonna get around that?
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What we all need to think of at this point is that Kuma is going to report that Zoro is dead to the WG. What happens to Zoro's bounty? His credit? Zoro won't even exist to the WG any more. That's bound to piss him off and cause some problems. How's Oda gonna get around that?
Possibly by not having that be the situation.
YOUR SPECULATION IS NOT WRITTEN IN STONE PEOPLE.
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can someone please explain me whats with the change of the location?
Maybe if he thought he was going to die, he didn't want his corpse to be right there next to all his crewmates.
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What we all need to think of at this point is that Kuma is going to report that Zoro is dead to the WG. What happens to Zoro's bounty? His credit? Zoro won't even exist to the WG any more. That's bound to piss him off and cause some problems. How's Oda gonna get around that?
well once they realise hes alive then his bounty would increase (only if kuma reports Zoro as dead)
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Another thing to consider is that most likely Oda brought Kuma to Thriller Bark for this exact thing to happen, he planned it since he appeared. It's not like he wrote himself into a corner and this was the only thing he could come up with to make the strawhats escape successful…
So give him some credit and wait a bit to see how things turn out.
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It'd be pretty cool if Zoro only stayed alive until he can finally beat Mihawk and claim the title of strongest swordsman in the world only to croak moments later due to that particular event that happend this chapter.
I know it has probably zero chance of happening, but it'd be a nice twist and would only make the character of Zoro more impressive than it already is.