GANTZ
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Originally Posted by Norisuke Higashikata IV
"Your stand is like your asshole. You can't go around showing it off to other people."
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You act like that's different from the rest of the series.
At the very least the others had a tidbit of action, developpement, sex, or anything you can think about (even if a little, there was something).
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Did he just take the Gantz bomb out of his head?
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Weird scene then. Confirmed the bomb for sure and it caught me a bit off guard right after hallucinating that he'd up and take the bomb out to use as a weapon.
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Looks like the guys in the robots are doomed. The businessmen in the tower don't look worried at all.
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That's because they called upon the power of mighty Godzilla
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D-Does anyone know what's going on in this manga anymore?
I don't.
I can't make heads or tails of any of the action scenes. Are the good guys winning or losing??
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For now they seem to be winning and striking back but they're not close to victory yet. I think the announcement of humans and the aliens making a treaty and that there are some human rebels still out there killing is just a ploy to fool their own kind and humans. The war is still going on.
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I think you misunderstand.
I meant.. in this robot fight.. whose winning? I don't even know who is who anymore…
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I think you misunderstand.
I meant.. in this robot fight.. whose winning? I don't even know who is who anymore…
I agree, I can't tell who the good guys are and who the bad guys are! If this were anime, you could distinguish the factions by colour, but being a manga, it's completely retarded to have good guys and bad guys in exactly the same robotic suits.
Honestly, I think the idea is to create gigantic chaos that gives the idea of a large war on all sides, it might be actually entertaining to read in one go, but like this, it sucks so bad… And wtf happened to Kurono? What's the point of having a main character if you're gonna make him useless in every possible scenario. One might as well make the gantz balls maion characters, that way they'd be useful at least.
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The good guys were winning but the aliens are counterattacking with whatever that light blast was.
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! Lol, looks like those businessmen assholes got what was coming to them…
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So much going on in this chapter… first, the Dogliens have a Shoop Da Woop, the executives get hacked with the turd-spider robots and killed, The Doglien woman and Tae meet up with Kei's robot, Nishi is all gung-ho, and Psychic kid blows the Shoop Da Woop to bits... yeah, a lot going on here.
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If this were Naruto, it would be "The Heart" level of bad.
If this were Berserk, I'd stop reading the series entirely.
If this were Bleach, I'd be left wondering whether Kubo just died and a background specialist had taken over instead.
If this were One Piece…THIS could never be One piece.
Even if this were Air Gear, I'd expect more.Overall, Gantz 362 is Complete and Utter Bullshit. I swear page 2 to page 6 left me stunned. NO mangaka uses pages so badly, not even Kubo.
If next chapter is this bad, I give up on Gantz.
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That was Kubo.
I know, but the rating system for Naruto and Bleach Chapters starts with the heart and ends with raikage gold
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Well, the manga will supposedly end this year, so there's no need to give up on reading it. There's only 10-15 chapters left and things will probably be faster from now on.
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Seriously? Gantz finally ending…guess it's about time.
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Source on this shit ending? I needed it to two years ago.
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If this were Naruto, it would be "The Heart" level of bad.
If this were Berserk, I'd stop reading the series entirely.
If this were Bleach, I'd be left wondering whether Kubo just died and a background specialist had taken over instead.
If this were One Piece…THIS could never be One piece.
Even if this were Air Gear, I'd expect more.Overall, Gantz 362 is Complete and Utter Bullshit. I swear page 2 to page 6 left me stunned. NO mangaka uses pages so badly, not even Kubo.
If next chapter is this bad, I give up on Gantz.
The only one you'd stop reading is berserk, and this could never be one piece, beserks one of the most critically acclaimed series of all time and written beautifully, I mean I love One Piece and it's my favorite series cause it just clicks with me but I'm in no way stupid enough to believe it's better written then Berserk
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Oda's foreshadowing, and what not, is much better than whatever Miura has done… It's just... opinion...
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The only one you'd stop reading is berserk, and this could never be one piece, beserks one of the most critically acclaimed series of all time and written beautifully, I mean I love One Piece and it's my favorite series cause it just clicks with me but I'm in no way stupid enough to believe it's better written then Berserk
If this chapter were in berserk, the only reason I'd stop reading entirely is that I'd think to myself: Oh shit, Miura just had an ictus and lost all ability to form manga. Berserk is my second favourite, but if this WERE Berserk, I'd stop reading as I see no point in continuing an awesome manga if it's going to plummet towards horrible shit and ruin itself. I would much rather stop with all the happy memories still intact.
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If this chapter were in berserk, the only reason I'd stop reading entirely is that I'd think to myself: Oh shit, Miura just had an ictus and lost all ability to form manga. Berserk is my second favourite, but if this WERE Berserk, I'd stop reading as I see no point in continuing an awesome manga if it's going to plummet towards horrible shit and ruin itself. I would much rather stop with all the happy memories still intact.
Ahhhh I see, I thought you were saying it was bad, my bad man
yeah I don't want to see anymore of my series plummet like naruto bleach and gantz have
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A character dies so that Tae-chan can survive another cliffhanger.
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Man, it's amazing how much the author doesn't give a shit about his own series. Killing established characters left and right because like who cares right?
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Well the series is supposed to be over this year so Oku trying to kill someone off every other issue as the series rushes to its crappy ending. I mean whose really left now to kill other than destroying the tower and then the war hero.
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YEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS no more damn Tae-chan b*llshit! She's DEAD! WAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA. I feel like I should be sad, but I hated her soo damn much! she's GONE forever!!!! (unless she survives)
poor whats-his-name-nosebleed-magic-dude, he deseverd a better end than hallucinations without any limbs…
Oh how this series has fallen, it's pityful.
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I'd care about deaths in the series but who the fuck cares everyone dies even the main character and that lasted a while.
Gantz Ending:
Everyone dies.
The end.
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..You know, is everything shit covered in this anime, cause every time I see the light of something good.. something REALLY bad happens :P
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I'd care about deaths in the series but who the fuck cares everyone dies even the main character and that lasted a while.
Gantz Ending:
Everyone dies.
The end.
That's exactly the same plot ending to Basilisk. shudders
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The anime only covers the first 8 volumes, followed by filler.
I meant the Manga :P - Its like the more you try and clean it off, something else bad happens. >_>
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Bad arc to end this manga aside, that was a good ending to Cherry's character. Dude had nothing to live for anymore and had basically turned in to a more viscious murderer with ESP ability other than the established "I've been forced in to this situation and I'm a victim trying to survive, plus besides most of these aliens I'm forced to kill are evil assholes anyway." Don't see why ppl are pissed Oku is killing off characters for good now, have you ever read Gantz? Step back and at least look at the state of this story and ask yourself if you saw a happy ending for the main cast. Look at the state of the world in Gantz. The manga is ending. Given the type of story it is killing off main characters shouldn't be seen as bad writing, especially at this point in the manga. Like yall wanted Cherry to survive and do what exactly? or was it just some assurance in your mind that one of the characters you liked lived no matter the circumstances. Also of course there were some pages where I didn't know what the fuck I was looking at or what was going on. Oku has put in a trolling twist ever since he started using this 3D art.
I mean I didn't like when Izumi died but I can't deny his part in the story was done well and his ending was on point. The revolving door of characters and how they were killed off for long periods of time or permanently has always been an interesting aspect of this manga. Lets not pretend like just about every character involved with the Gantz missions had to die to get in in the first place. The main character died in the first volume. Great writing in the Buddha arc, just plain suspenseful shocking stuff. It made the main character develop in an interesting way. The whole cop out to revive characters like a video game were to just finish character development on some characters (what's his name who originally wouldn't kill the aliens and left his lil bro alone) while giving more character development to the survivors (Kurono and the new guys who helped bring the old dead group back) and of course to have some readers invested on seeing certain characters journey in this war (Cherry, Muscle Rider, Nishi, etc.). If Oku was really just killing characters off recklessly this entire arc would consist of characters that were all relatively new (i.e. the Osaka team or the vamps)
No doubt this was another sub par chap but I've lowered my expectations a long time ago with this manga. You all should've done the same and just looked at this as a story that started off interesting that mid way through turned in to an epically bad series where you just wanted to see how bad it got when it ended.
It is beyond stupid to compare Gantz to OP, Bleach, and Naruto for a bunch of reasons. Insanely nonsensical to do so. If you've read 361 chapters of Gantz and are quitting it after 362 LOL. I really don't know what to think or say.
Hopefully Tae chan is dead this time. It has been really bad how poorly Oku has handled Kurono's relationship in that regard. Although there's no doubt in my mind he's been writing Tae and other females terribly annoying on purpose starting back with Kishi and how he just wrote her out of the story lol.
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Source on this shit ending? I needed it to two years ago.
In one of the end-notes (Manga magazines has author comments at the last page along with content index) at the start of this year, Oku said "I'd like to draw the climax to Gantz this year".
Some took this as him saying he wish to end Gantz this year, but that's not exactly what it says.
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You can't be afraid to kill characters. That's one of the best things about this manga anyone can die
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The problem isn't character death. It's that there is absolutely no emotional weight behind them. Long established characters are killed off randomly for no good reason without any sort of proper resolution to their characters, any form of a proper send off, any sort of gravitas after they're gone. They just die and nothing and no one is affected. Now one could argue this is the author's attempt at making some sort of point about nihilism, I just say he doesn't give a shit.
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You can't be afraid to kill characters. That's one of the best things about this manga anyone can die
Being "trigger" happy is not good thing especially if there no proper "goodbye" its like the man is just killing them just create shock,i did like some of the deaths but sometimes feels he is killing them so he can have space for others.
Well i liked Cherry death but since im overall confused with whats happening with this arc it takes some emotion way from it.
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In one of the end-notes (Manga magazines has author comments at the last page along with content index) at the start of this year, Oku said "I'd like to draw the climax to Gantz this year".
Some took this as him saying he wish to end Gantz this year, but that's not exactly what it says.Thanks, Aohige. I guess we'll see this shit ending in three years once we kill off everyone without any leadup (Cherry got some action before he went but it was done poorly). Of course we'll have another Tae-chan death fake-outs as well, can't forget that card.
Discussion question: When did you start to notice the decline in Gantz?
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Around after Izumi died. Oku stopped keeping up with vamps after the Kurono brother story then distracted us with the Osaka team that was intriguing but killed most of them and forgot about them. The mission to kill Tae-chan was not that good although I understood the attempt. Reika becoming obsessed with Kurono just capped it off. The part where he tried to explain the mystery of Gantz wasn't done well and it all culminated in 2nd Kurono and this crappy 3D art.
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When Phase 2 began the quality just wasn't up there anymore. I didn't give a crap about the osaka team and look where they are now?
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@Thousand:
The problem isn't character death. It's that there is absolutely no emotional weight behind them. Long established characters are killed off randomly for no good reason without any sort of proper resolution to their characters, any form of a proper send off, any sort of gravitas after they're gone. They just die and nothing and no one is affected. Now one could argue this is the author's attempt at making some sort of point about nihilism, I just say he doesn't give a shit.
Are you talking about earlier in the manga or now? Cherry and Reika both died with emotional weight behind them it just happened to be in a shitty arc. Oku actually did focus on Reika's choice and Cherry spiraling downwards. What established character was killed with no emotional weight behind it? What resolution to the established characters that have died so far were you looking for? I don't see the deaths as random either. If you've been reading since the beginning the thought that any character could die during any mission shouldn't be far from your mind anyway. I see this as the last mission and more than past ones Oku's actually bothered to finish off the character's he's killed off so far.
Last I checked Kurono, Nishi, muscle rider and kid, Nishi, and Kato, etc. are still alive.
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@Zik:
Are you talking about earlier in the manga or now? Cherry and Reika both died with emotional weight behind them it just happened to be in a shitty arc. Oku actually did focus on Reika's choice and Cherry spiraling downwards. What established character was killed with no emotional weight behind it? What resolution to the established characters that have died so far were you looking for? I don't see the deaths as random either. If you've been reading since the beginning the thought that any character could die during any mission shouldn't be far from your mind anyway. I see this as the last mission and more than past ones Oku's actually bothered to finish off the character's he's killed off so far.
Last I checked Kurono, Nishi, muscle rider and kid, Nishi, and Kato, etc. are still alive.
Erm, all of them? Old man was saved in the dinosaur arc because apparently he had some great purpose to fulfill yet he died during the Italian statue arc without fulfilling anything. The same goes for that wimp whose name escapes me who died in the same arc and no one even cared enough to mention his name. Reika was killed off-screen for a battle she didn't have to fight. Cherry died with no real purpose and no one giving a shit. This is exacerbated by the fact that the characters are not fleshed out well like at all. There's a difference between killing characters to make some point about realism and flat out just wasting them and that line is dependent on how well you treat those characters in their final moments. Ask yourself, did you feel anything for any of the characters when they died, did you feel sad or shocked or anything? I highly doubt it. Also it's not my job to think of resolutions for the characters. The fact is that these deaths are examples of the author clearly not caring enough for his characters and if he doesn't care, I don't care. At least in the beginning like in during the Buddha arc, you felt something for the characters because they were kinda cool and had their own identity and they went out fighting (except for that bitch whose name also escapes me).
Also you mentioned Nishi twice lol
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Not to mention that the vampires just walked down a Dark Alley during the Osaka Arc and were never seen/heard from again.
Speaking of which, the Osaka arc was definitely when things started to really get sour. When a dude who had accumulated over 1000 points and had the super advanced Gantz Suit gets one-shotted without even making a dent in the Arc boss, you know something is wrong. And this current arc has introduced random characters just to see them die, such as that Okinawa guy who got infected by those fucked up orb things, sprouted several dozen heads and arms, and was forcefully gibbed by Kei 2 and his team. His only purpose seemed to be to let everyone know that the Gantz balls are no longer able to revive anyone, then get infected and die.
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Tae-Chan will never die…
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Tae-chan just needs to die and stay dead.
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@Thousand:
Erm, all of them? Old man was saved in the dinosaur arc because apparently he had some great purpose to fulfill yet he died during the Italian statue arc without fulfilling anything. The same goes for that wimp whose name escapes me who died in the same arc and no one even cared enough to mention his name. Reika was killed off-screen for a battle she didn't have to fight. Cherry died with no real purpose and no one giving a shit. This is exacerbated by the fact that the characters are not fleshed out well like at all. There's a difference between killing characters to make some point about realism and flat out just wasting them and that line is dependent on how well you treat those characters in their final moments. Ask yourself, did you feel anything for any of the characters when they died, did you feel sad or shocked or anything? I highly doubt it. Also it's not my job to think of resolutions for the characters. The fact is that these deaths are examples of the author clearly not caring enough for his characters and if he doesn't care, I don't care. At least in the beginning like in during the Buddha arc, you felt something for the characters because they were kinda cool and had their own identity and they went out fighting (except for that bitch whose name also escapes me).
Also you mentioned Nishi twice lol
What do you mean all of them? I also asked you to specify if you mean this arc or a 100 chaps ago cuz there is a difference. There's also a difference between saying all characters deaths are random and have no emotional weight behind them and asking if I had an emotional attachment to the character. There's a difference between saying Oku isn't doing something and if he did a good job at doing it.
What made old man an established character? I saw him as a crutch for the longest. It was a waste to even bring him back alive. He had no purpose to fill. Where are you getting that from? He was brought back cuz Kurono bonded with him and felt bad about his death. Old man had no purpose to fill at all. There was no cryptic background to his story either that hinted he'd do more in the story. He was there for morale at best. He's a fucking old man. Plus his death was a while ago. Like I said if you've been reading this manga from chap 1 it should already be in your head after 50 chaps that every Gantz mission they go almost anyone can die except Kurono cuz out of any character Oku has put the most character development in to him and rightfully so. Since this manga at one point was more about his journey than the mystery of Gantz. So no I felt nothing for the old man's death. I was completely indifferent to his character in the story other than being support for Kurono. Now that purpose he served and that was that.
I'm pretty sure the wimp kid was the one that was obsessed with Reika, and notice how you describe since I forgot his name too lol he was a wimp. If I remember correctly he only showed backbone once and when he died he died like the wimp that he was. He was in the group cuz that dynamic needed a straight up coward since everyone else pretty much was scared but fought through it following Kurono and Kato. Also, no didn't feel sad for his death but I did feel happy, he was annoying. I kinda knew the story was reaching the final stages when the coward gets killed off.
Reika died for Kurono2 cuz she loved Kurono and didn't want him to die no matter what even though she knew if this one died the original was still out there. She wanted to show she was really in love with him and wanted to die for the one she felt loved her back. If you've been following her story after she became infatuated with Kurono all she's ever try to do was get his attention, prove her worth to him and have him reciprocate those feelings. She saw that Kurono2 was basically going to die and died for own obsesses filled love. That's what I got out from her ending. I felt Oku, like he's done with the majority of his female characters begins to right them terribly once they fall in love. He did it with Kishi, Tae, and then Reika so I wasn't really mad she died. I may not feel for most of these character's deaths but I can at least explain their role and the story Oku told with most of them. It didn't seem random at all and it did have emotional weight behind it. Her death being off screen was irrelevant (he probably did it cuz he rarely shows females being badass). What may have been your problem and I can't fault you for it is something I'll speak on when addressing Cherry.
Cherry's death wasn't random if you're able to remember everything he's gone through and if you look at all those things from a linear fashion. It did have some emotional weight behind it. This manga at different points just simply wasn't released online in it's regular manner and we all know whether it's mangaka or the the ppl who provide the trans and scans when they don't do things in a timely fashion which I believe is bi-weekly for this manga ppl will forget things, lose the anticipation for the story since there's so much time in between chaps.The main problem is Oku's pacing and ability to keep up with the main cast is fucking terrible. You are right he doesn't flesh out characters that well unless he's centering an arc around them. Oku has always just not been good with developing a lot of characters not named Kei Kurono. He develops them well to a point and then doesn't write them for like a volume or two or kills them off. Kato who is like the 2nd leading protagonist hasn't grown much and we pretty much know all we're going to know about him after he came back. Oku has stopped developing all characters for a while now and just tried to progress the Gantz mystery to it's final conclusion which still hasn't gotten one yet but when he's killed one of the main cast he has wrapped up their story.
So when you look at Cherry's death you may forget things like his emotional goodbye to his mentor Sakata who gave him his ESP powers and how he changed a bit after that (you might forget when Sakata did die Cherry almost lost it right there and became a vengeful killer), and how he grew a bit when he got a girlfriend because Oku has not been been consistent with keeping up with him. So his death leaves readers with no feelings towards it but like I said he lost everything, couldn't save or protect his loved ones and basically became a vengeful mass murderer. He died a sad pitiful death still filled with hate unable to relate to his victims even if they were children. He lost it and if you see in this last chap was in denial throughout. I mean he initially thought he got transferred and was ready to go off killing again. I'm not saying it was a good ending but the story is basically Cherry was a weak person with a lot of power that put on a brave face to help his friends as much as he could on missions but once he lost his support system he lost it all and hallucinating Sakata and his gf did an okay job at conveying that. I liked his character but didn't like his death but I'm not going to say his death was random because I didn't like how or when he died. Oku did bother to start focusing on Cherry more in between showing Kurono search for Tae, reunite and then spearate again while progressing the action and plot of the story. Consequently, he's ditched Kurono2 and the other group for a few chaps.
Honestly though, reading this manga the only characters I ever really liked were Kurono, Izumi, Cherry (and that was only cuz the ESP power interested me and I felt that could go somewhere in the story which it ultimately didn't and he focused on his character more), and Nishi for being a pessimist know it all. I felt for Izumi's death, loved the character and didn't want him to die but I'm not going to deny that Oku did tell a really good story with him and definitely gave him an ending that made sense. Felt For Kurono the most before his relationship with Tae. Fans or just readers of this manga shouldn't have a whole lot of emotional attachment to the majority of these characters, only thing I can understand is liking the cool characters like muscle rider and the vamps but it isn't that hard to understand the story Oku has told with the characters he has developed and there are conclusions to them. You may not like how he did them and felt he could've done more to create an emotional attachment but their deaths aren't random there is a story being told for them.
I mentioned Nishi twice thinking there was somebody else in the main cast I forgot about but they all died a long time ago. Not really seeing characters dying as a con if you accept after like 100 chaps the only character Oku really cared about is Kurono. Everybody else is just there to make him grow.
@Fire Fist:Not to mention that the vampires just walked down a Dark Alley during the Osaka Arc and were never seen/heard from again.
The vamps he never developed them except the main guy whose name I forget, had a sword and that wasn't a lot. He expanded on their back story and overall role but at best they were momentary atagonists. You can sum up the vamps role in this story to Kurono's vamp brothe role in the story and how he died. Oku even ditched the plot twist he added when he made the girl vamp and vamp guy with the sword part of the missions. As cool as they were and interesting their out of nowhere involvement was to the story I never actually understood what the fuck vampirees were doing in the world of Gantz. He hits us with all this aliens living among us for years suspense and then the missions humans go on to kill the hostile ones or all of them I guess and then it's like oh btw have vampires existed the entire time and they're basically their own lil yakuza that do w/e they want and may be in league or have some alliance with some of the aliens. Shit just never made sense to me. I was really expecting werewolves to show up next cuz vamps were fucking random. I'm not surprised that he just ditched them.
Speaking of which, the Osaka arc was definitely when things started to really get sour. When a dude who had accumulated over 1000 points and had the super advanced Gantz Suit gets one-shotted without even making a dent in the Arc boss, you know something is wrong. And this current arc has introduced random characters just to see them die, such as that Okinawa guy who got infected by those fucked up orb things, sprouted several dozen heads and arms, and was forcefully gibbed by Kei 2 and his team. His only purpose seemed to be to let everyone know that the Gantz balls are no longer able to revive anyone, then get infected and die.
Yeah the Osaka had some potential but went downhill with how frantic the pace was when you really stepped back and assessed what just happened. That guy with all the points and Gantz weapon I felt would've been a powerhouse but when he got one shotted I said to myself this is just to show how strong these alien demons are and another opportunity to show how lost the Gantz team would be with Kato running it. It's sole purpose was just to show Gantz is going in more places than we thought since they needed to be brought in to help. I'm also sure Oku got his rocks off showing Osaka team members smoking weed and raping alien demons. There was a whole bunch of stuff he took liberty with since he couldn't be showing that with the regular team chap to chap.
Every new character in this arc is a red shirt. I don't expect any of them to live in the first place. Especially that one guy that got transferred who answered their call about still fighting. I expect them all to die. They're just random characters to fill space in the melee fights and be victims of the sick weird and cruel weapons Oku thinks up to have them die in different ways.
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Dude, I don't have the energy to read all that text about this mediocre manga which from what I've skimmed is just a lot of nit-picking anyway and missing the overall point. Let me just say, if I don't care about the characters when they die then they are not good death scenes and if they are not good death scenes then the author is not doing a good job.
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There was no nit picking and I didn't miss the point. You've just been splitting hairs and not properly saying what you don't like about the deaths.
I question if you've ever cared about the characters to begin with, death scene or not. That was my whole thing when you bring up characters like old man lol.
I never said Oku was doing a good job with death scenes. I explicitly say they're not random and do have emotional weight behind them. Something you refuse to admit or fail to see because you're not recognizing the story being told for the established characters who die. If you don't like them that doesn't mean they are not being done. You say all of them had random deaths with no emotional weight behind them and then your examples are of two characters who did and two other menial characters where you simply ignore or won't accept that during any Gantz mission any character can and will die. Then you just made up that whole part about the old man having a purpose.
