LOST Season 4 *Spoilers Abound!*

Strange_One

@Senshi:

I'm starting to think that Jack finds out about him and Claire being related. That would explain alot.

Um, I don't follow O_o

anyway pretty good. Kate was a bit too bitchy for me (Sawyer was pretty much telling the truth), and Locke was a bit more sadistic than I'm used to, but still, it was decent

oh, and i've never once seen heroes, but i do love comparing the relative merits of house and lost

i love them both, though.

other than that most TV i've come across can be beat in intelligence, wit, and forethought by most of the shonen manga i read

which is sad.

! I hope this doesn't mean Claire dies as I like her and the current survivors are already mostly male. Problem is I see no reason other than her death that would put Kate in charge of Aaron

Lobolover

paralysis,perhaps?or it may be shes stil on the island?

Senshi Mizaka

We know that the Oceanic 6 were forced to make up a fake story about surviving on the island. That probably would explain Jack's "I'm sick of lying!" line from his flashforward in Through the Looking Glass.

rusashi

Do we know Aaron is one of the 6?

And why would they make up a story about 2 people dieing?

That means 8 originally got off, two die on the way home maybe?

This episode brought much more questions then answers.

Greg

This episode brought much more questions then answers.

Is there….something wrong with that?

That would have have been a stellar episode IF I could have clearly heard Kate's last damn line and didn't have to go online to read it. All I heard was, "Hi Aaan". I hate when actors don't say ridiculously important lines clearly but apparently that's just my shitty download file since nobody else seems to have had an issue with it.

Great Locke stuff. Just great. Makes perfect sense considering his similar reactions in Season 2 when dealing with 'Henry'. Also puts his sadistic handling of Miles in perfect perspective. Anyone else notice more of Locke's fancy knot-work? Love that detail.

Best line, "What do you remember?"

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Daniel is incredibly insane [read: awesome] or just awesome.

WeAllEatFood

Pretty much sums my thoughts, Greg, except replace that (still awesome) line with ''Enjoy your Breakfast."

Absolutely stoked for next week, maybe even for all the mere ''Danielness'' that looks to be brewin'.

Greg

I adore how this ties in with the season 3 finale and her line: "He's gonna be wondering where I am."

Just brilliant. That's writing. That's knowing and loving your story.

Senshi Mizaka

The one thing I like about Ben is that he's completely in control, even when he's tied up. We see that nothing's changed him even after the countless times he's been abused by the survivors.

I didn't think I'd like Locke's new attitude. He really loses his cool easily now, thanks to Ben's mind games. But man, he was freaking incredible when he shoved a grenade in Miles' mouth. That's the John Locke I've come to like!

Tizoc

@BuckingHorse:

! I think Sawyer would be the most obvious answer and is therefore probably incorrect. A lot of people online think she might have adopted Aaron for some reason

! Possible, but I don't think so, she seems so attached to the child that I do believe it's her own biological son.
Anyone else felt this ep. was very little in the WTF division? The only part that made me go O_O was Locke 'punishing' Miles. Seriously that was badass and whack at the same time

Greg

This deserves posting.

Lobolover

doesnt Sawyer have a few extra pounds in the sex scene?

Kurapika

lol nice, good ol' Highlights (i think that was the magizines name which Goofus and gallent was in)

I wasnt really liking the flashforward thing at first but now i really like it after rewatching the newer episodes (i guess i just needed to get used to it)

thursday cant come soon enough

Strange_One

@Greg:

This deserves posting.

[qimg]http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w78/fishbiscuit_photos/Eggtown/goofus-gallant2.gif[/qimg]

hahaha

nice.

especially the first two pictures

Tizoc

@Greg:

That would have have been a stellar episode IF I could have clearly heard Kate's last damn line and didn't have to go online to read it. All I heard was, "Hi Aaan". I hate when actors don't say ridiculously important lines clearly but apparently that's just my shitty download file since nobody else seems to have had an issue with it.

Wait stop, contradiction time; what about what that fortune teller said about Aaron's mom being the only one that has to raise him or such?

Best line, "What do you remember?"

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Daniel is incredibly insane [read: awesome] or just awesome.

? Sorry who said that line again? …and yeah Dan's been aiming to be my fav. of the Helicopter ppl since Ep. 2, I guess he's got good focus to be able to get 3 out of 3 when guessing cards, but the Island's kinda screwing with that.

stephen

Hahahaha! Whoever made that Goofus and Gallant deserves a medal. Good old Highlights!

Greg

Wait stop, contradiction time; what about what that fortune teller said about Aaron's mom being the only one that has to raise him or such?

Tsk Tsk! Lest we forget Eko's seminal meeting with him that exposed him entirely as a fraud. Despite the episode in question throwing us back and forth between whether or not he did or didn't have an ability, ultimately with that episode it said, "Nope, he's a con artist."

This leads to the question, was he lying to Eko? Well he did seem pretty serious! But here's the thing, even if he does have the ability and he did mean for Claire to raise him, who knows to what point she was intended to raise him. Perhaps she was meant to raise him to a point only to hand him off to Kate.

OR

Have their actions resulting in a breaking of the prophecy and is it something they need to fix?

I love this show.

Ms. Suave Debonair

OR

Did the show's writers not like that plot device so they changed it and hoped that no-one would remember it?

Greg

Did the show's writers not like that plot device so they changed it and hoped that no-one would remember it?

Since they planned out the overall story from start to finish before it even aired, I doubt that given his importance to the story.

In fact the ONLY glaring, disgusting, horrifying and all-around ugly blemish on the face of the series thus far, is the Desmond/medicine scene. I'm not talking prop mistakes, small details in real life (like the REAL flow of a court case), just pure, they fucked that up.

We see Desmond shooting up the Dharma meds in the season 2 opener. Then he later says they're no use because there's no sickness on the island.

What?

Just about everything else has a reasonable explanation. Even Charlie's, "I don't swim!"

edit:

By the way, I don't know if anyone here is a DarkUFO fan but they're an excellent Lost fansite that is pretty damn good about spoilers. Anyway, there's a poster there who does recaps, Vozzek69, who makes some really remarkable observations. I'm surprised he/she isn't a writer their self. Anyway, they have an interesting theory that grew from Daniel's card game which is that, everything on the island is constantly changing. Sometimes shit gets rearranged and they've pondered that maybe although it seems like simple bloopers, maybe sometimes it was meant to happen. The supporting evidence is intriguing as well culminating in Jin's famous, "Everything is going to change.", line. Anyway, I dunno whether that will actually go anywhere or not, but regardless his/her posts are really worth a read for serious fans. They're at DarkUFO with the title, "Things I Noticed".

stephen

Here's a solution:

Dharma brand intravenous medicine: great flavor, gets you really high, smooth finish.

Greg

Desmond, you pill-popping island monkey.

Tizoc

@Greg:

Tsk Tsk! Lest we forget Eko's seminal meeting with him that exposed him entirely as a fraud. Despite the episode in question throwing us back and forth between whether or not he did or didn't have an ability, ultimately with that episode it said, "Nope, he's a con artist."

This leads to the question, was he lying to Eko? Well he did seem pretty serious! But here's the thing, even if he does have the ability and he did mean for Claire to raise him, who knows to what point she was intended to raise him. Perhaps she was meant to raise him to a point only to hand him off to Kate.

OR

Have their actions resulting in a breaking of the prophecy and is it something they need to fix?

I love this show.

Hmmm good point, but I STILL think he wasn't lying, I mean heck his daughter told Eko about Yemi, so at least that family had such abilities.

..and about Desmond and the meds….actually think about it; the only way he'd know they were meaningless is if there were others who didn't take them and were fine without them.

Greg

Hmmm good point, but I STILL think he wasn't lying, I mean heck his daughter told Eko about Yemi, so at least that family had such abilities.

Totally possible. Yes, his daughter had the ability, just wondering if that's another 'twist' of irony there. It could go either way but I highly doubt it's something they've forgotten. Again, if anything, the prophecy has been fucked over by someone's actions and it's their responsibility to set it right.

OR

Maybe she was only meant to take care of Aaron to that point so that he would end up in Kate's care.

The thing could just go so many ways.

Tizoc

The only way your 2nd option could work is….if the fortune teller and Kate were related or have met.

stephen

Consider that it wasn't really a "prophecy" decreeing what will come to pass—he just straight up said "Don't let anyone else raise your child, or terrible things will happen." If it really is a significant/real threat (which I doubt, after the guy exposed himself as a fraud), then it doesn't mean the writers made a plothole, it means that Claire fucked up and bad things will occur as a result.

Tizoc

Hmmm, but what's odd is that no bad things seem to have happened in any of the flash forwards…yet....unless they all are happening to poor Jack :).
Anyway I was at another forum when someone mentioned the theory of alt. realities to which I replied to him by telling him to STFU. AMong his other comments was the sickness that killed Daniel's crew and then it hit me:
What if the sickness has something to do with when Ben killed off the Dharma people?

Greg

Hmmm, but what's odd is that no bad things seem to have happened in any of the flash forwards…yet....

Are we watching the same show?

Kate is making a rugrat live a lie.

Jack is popping pills and ready to kill himself.

Hurley is in the funny farm.

Sayid is shooting rich people on golf courses for BEN.

The only way your 2nd option could work is….if the fortune teller and Kate were related or have met.

Is that some obscure occult rule that I've never heard of? If so I'm not sure why it should hold true. If he REALLY could see the future and IF Aaron was meant to end up in Kate's care for some reason, then his prophecy was dead on.

Guys….you're really thinking too hard. It's not that hard to come up with a handful of explanations. Why not just wait and see. The Claire/Aaron thing was one of the biggest plot points. The writers have dropped some ideas here and there that seemed premature (living in the caves comes to mind) but as far as the major story points, they have rarely if ever given us reason to worry. If you're concerned about the answers you won't enjoy LOST so just sit back and let it unfold. It's all about the journey, not the destination.

Tizoc

@Greg:

Are we watching the same show?

Kate is making a rugrat live a lie.

Jack is popping pills and ready to kill himself.

Hurley is in the funny farm.

Sayid is shooting rich people on golf courses for BEN.

Oh yeah that lol, but….isn't this a bit of a cliche thing? I mean they leave the island but their lives turn to shit, you'd expect that they'd at least be living a good life but with the guilt of leaving the island.

Is that some obscure occult rule that I've never heard of? If so I'm not sure why it should hold true. If he REALLY could see the future and IF Aaron was meant to end up in Kate's care for some reason, then his prophecy was dead on.

So basically because his prophecy didn't come true, bad stuff happen? Makes sense, but I dunno I don't like that as a reaction. This prophecy had better not having anything to do with saviors and anti-christs and such.

Guys….you're really thinking too hard. It's not that hard to come up with a handful of explanations. Why not just wait and see. The Claire/Aaron thing was one of the biggest plot points. The writers have dropped some ideas here and there that seemed premature (living in the caves comes to mind) but as far as the major story points, they have rarely if ever given us reason to worry. If you're concerned about the answers you won't enjoy LOST so just sit back and let it unfold. It's all about the journey, not the destination.

I like a good mindfucking from LOST every now and then, hence why I bother with the whole 'thinking too hard' thing.

Greg

Oh yeah that lol, but….isn't this a bit of a cliche thing? I mean they leave the island but their lives turn to shit, you'd expect that they'd at least be living a good life but with the guilt of leaving the island.

Isn't that the point that all of us were reeling from a year ago? It seemed so obvious that the title and island were an ironic metaphor for their broken lives that would help them find themselves and become 'better' people upon rescue. Yet we find out the COMPLETE opposite.

So basically because his prophecy didn't come true, bad stuff happen?

I have no idea. It could go any number of branching ways, not to mention ones I haven't even thought of or brought up.

I like a good mindfucking from LOST every now and then, hence why I bother with the whole 'thinking too hard' thing.

Maybe it's just me but I find the best mind-fucks come from just enjoying the show as is. I mean, I read DarkUFO and LostPedia like a crazy man but I never worry about how they'll deal with something. That's to each his/her own though so I understand.

Lobolover

hmm to be honest,the "of island" bits are not as awesome as the on island ones.Id realy love to see the guy who said "not IN portland",you know which one I mean,again-that is if hes not that guy Ben told to leave the others to the temple-Its been a while since I saw it.

Ganner_Rhysode · 9/2/2008

Hey guys, sorry to be that late, but I was on vacation for the last week. Just got to watch the last weeks episode and well… It was mostly boring, to be honest. I don't like Kate-centrics, but the end wasn't that bad. Still, like you said, Greg, THAT'S writing. Me, for my own part, always believed Kate was talking about Sawyer in the S3-Finale, so it was really a nice twist. ^^

Watched 2 sneak-peeks for the next episode, already, and it really looks fantastic. Don't want to spoil anybody here, cause I'm not so sure about you, and who watches sneak-peeks and who doesn't.

! After thinkin about it I'm almost certain that either Jin or Sun or both are going to be members of the Oceanic 6.
! Episode 5 + 6 are Desmond and Juliet centric and we are supposed to know the whole Oceanic 6 by Episode 7, a Sun + Jin episode.

Strange_One

We already have the six, though.

Sayid, Kate, Jack, Aaron, Ben, and Hurley.

rusashi

@Strange_One:

We already have the six, though.

Sayid, Kate, Jack, Aaron, Ben, and Hurley.

I'm pretty sure Ben and Aaron aren't part of the 6

just a guess though

Lobolover

even if Ben wasnt in the airplane?

rusashi

Aaron wasn't on the airplane either…

technically?

I'm guessing Sun and Jin are the other 2.

Ganner_Rhysode · 9/2/2008

Errr, Ben for SURE isn't one of the oceanic-6, and I'm not counting Aaron, either.
I'm still sticking with Sun and Jin.
Desmond… he's just too strange, for me, to be a part of the Oceanic-6. I really like Desmond as a character, so don't get me wrong, but he doesn't feel to me like someone who will get off of the island.
I still think that Desmond will die a heroic death during the series.

Lobolover

hes needed there more,I feel.

rusashi

@Ganner_Rhysode:

Errr, Ben for SURE isn't one of the oceanic-6, and I'm not counting Aaron, either.
I'm still sticking with Sun and Jin.
Desmond… he's just too strange, for me, to be a part of the Oceanic-6. I really like Desmond as a character, so don't get me wrong, but he doesn't feel to me like someone who will get off of the island.
I still think that Desmond will die a heroic death during the series.

Desmond and Juliet weren't on the plane either.

Strange_One

ahh, i see what you all are saying

but wasn't there a big, dramatic commercial before the last episode that stated that we'd find out the last of the oceanic six (aaron) within?

Lobolover

Why do I get the feeling im being constantly ignored by everybody in this thread?

See, I thought Aaron was going to be part of the 6 but according to pretty much everyone on Lostpedia he's not, and I think they have access to spoilers so I'm gonna side with them.

Plus there is no way Ben is part of the 6 as I'm pretty sure the Dharma Initiative wants him dead so becoming a celebrity would be a bad idea for him.

Tizoc

@Greg:

Isn't that the point that all of us were reeling from a year ago? It seemed so obvious that the title and island were an ironic metaphor for their broken lives that would help them find themselves and become 'better' people upon rescue. Yet we find out the COMPLETE opposite.

Actually didn't Kate change? She's no longer in the whole hiding, running away business and has taken up a responsibility of looking after Aaron.
Hurley prob. no longer believes in the whole bad luck thing it seems.
We don't know much about Jack except that he's an alcoholic, but I do believe he has changed since he left the island (though I could be wrong, we'd need a flash forward like Kate's to fully grasp this)

Greg

Actually didn't Kate change? She's no longer in the whole hiding, running away business and has taken up a responsibility of looking after Aaron.

That I agree with on two points.

A. She's staying put.
B. She's taking care of a kid.

Regardless she still bears an emotional scar, the reasons for which we simply cannot know at this point. But this makes perfect sense. Why? Because look what we've seen so far. Sayid is doing what he's doing to protect 'his friends'. Hurley knows they need to go back. Jack finally realized they need to go back.

It makes sense that Kate finally let go of the running and even when Jack is falling apart, she's resisting going back, so yeah, it totally adds up whether on purpose or not.

Ganner_Rhysode · 9/2/2008

Hey guys, really great stuff here:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/02242008/tv/10_reasons_why_lost_is_found_98856.htm
It's an article from the New York Post, which contains very mild spoilers. Let's say it gives us an overview of the direction the whole series is going. Nothing new for me, except #2, which is REALLY great news for me. Nice, to see, where they are heading. #7 is also very interesting.
Enjoy it! ^^

rusashi

I. Freaking. Love. Desmond. Episodes.

Oh man, this is so great.

Yan

This episode is rocking me SO HARD right now.

I'm starting to think that the 'he' waiting for Kate at home (season finale, last season) was Aaron. The one that Jack asked about.

Kurapika

This is a really interesting eppie so far,

! Desmond just lost 8 years of memories, thats gotta suck. and i dont know why but Dan is becomming one of my fav characters

Yan

Daniel Farraday is pretty amazing.

A shame about all the radiation to the head, though.

OH SNAP! Double whammy. Black Rock & Hanso.

Senshi Mizaka

Time travel never fails to make my head explode. Still, the ending with Desmond's call to Penny was so sweet and touching. I thought for sure that it had something to do with his flashes, but those ended right after Charlie's death.