As long as there is weight to the physics (which rush lacked) and well designed levels (which rush lacked), I'll be happy.
I have seen anything to push me in either direction yet. The newest videos make it clear it won't be rush level terrible, but not as to whether it would be as good as 3 & K.
@robbybedfart:
As for why is Sonic in a mine Kart? Why was he on a snowboard in part S&K? WHy was Donkey Kong in a mine cart in Donkey Kong Country? Why does Mario have a racoon tail and a frog suit? Why did Battletoads have an impossible two-player mode?
Robby… which is better?
Snowboarding? or Mine Karting?
Did you actually pay attention to the mine cart video ? The problem here is, it seems extremely clunky. Especially since you don't control the mine cart, but you need to tilt the PS3 controller and the Wiimote to turn the level.
And I'm actually a defender of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, even of Sonic Secret Rings the Rush games. But this game looks simply awful, almost like a fan made project.
Sonics speed and acceleration would have been okay, if the game was built around that factor like Sonic Rush, but this tries to copy the level design of Sonic 1-3&K and is therefor way too fast.
Robby… which is better?
Snowboarding? or Mine Karting?
I know you didn't ask me, but personally I prefer mine carts. I'm not really big on snowboarding in general, and the mine cart has a cool Indiana Jones vibe to it.
And the lamb lies down on Broadway
Mine Carts rule.
OAHZBY4AWD4
I know you didn't ask me, but personally I prefer mine carts. I'm not really big on snowboarding in general, and the mine cart has a cool Indiana Jones vibe to it.
I swear, that's the only way you can make that level fun.
If they have custom soundtrack in Sonic the Hedgehog 4, I'll put the theme of Indiana Jones on my PlayStation 3 and play it when I'm on that level and that level only.
Now… I will not complain about that level. Not one bit.
Mine Carts rule.
OAHZBY4AWD4
Donkey Kong can do it.
Sonic cannot.
I always thought that solo Donkey Kong on a mine cart should like… tilt the mine cart over and face plant.
If sonic can jump in a minecart, so can mario, damnit.
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Well I spoiled the game for myself. Release all the eps now SEGA!!
Gee, I didn't realize how harsh people could be. So people are actually faulting this game for things like the programming choices with physics? Isn't that kinda part of the balance of the game… Like they make it easier in order to keep it from being frustrating? It's not hard to make physics realistic, it's not too complex math-wise, that's why all the old video games have it. But I guess it's a matter of how the control feels, too. I dunno, see's over critical somewhat to me.
I've seen a bunch of videos and I can't say I've looked into it as deep as some of you guys or the people you're talking about, but it looks good. Doesn't look ground-breaking but it looks good.
Honestly I never quite got all the complaints with a lotta the previous games, I liked the Sonic Adventure games. Though some of the later ones had boring parts or made things too simple or too convoluted, they weren't really BAD. Just not say, as good as the 3D Mario games, the series didn't naturally evolve into 3d as well. I think they still may find some good way to make the games in the future.
Oh yeah, and what's gonna happen with the other episodes? Supposedly there'd be Tails and Knuckles, but it seems like this "episode 1" has a whole game in it by itself. That's also something to wonder about. Though I doubt they're gonna change the physics engine.
If I recall there was some statement made a few months ago where they said they were aiming to improve it over time and it wasn't like the games could drastically improve in just one game, and all the problems could be fixed. This game falls into the "trying to implement 2D ideas into a game" category, and maybe they'll get into trying to make the 3D game more like how the fans want, too. Like with the light levels in Unleashed.
Gee, I didn't realize how harsh people could be. So people are actually faulting this game for things like the programming choices with physics? Isn't that kinda part of the balance of the game… Like they make it easier in order to keep it from being frustrating? It's not hard to make physics realistic, it's not too complex math-wise, that's why all the old video games have it. But I guess it's a matter of how the control feels, too. I dunno, see's over critical somewhat to me.
lol at thinking physics aren't a big deal in a video game
Honestly I never quite got all the complaints with a lotta the previous games, I liked the Sonic Adventure games. Though some of the later ones had boring parts or made things too simple or too convoluted, they weren't really BAD. Just not say, as good as the 3D Mario games, the series didn't naturally evolve into 3d as well. I think they still may find some good way to make the games in the future.
Yeah man, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 2006 were just faulted by simpleness and occasional boringness.
The frequent glitches, awkward controls, horrible level designs and a fucked up story about bestiality meant nothing and obviously did not affect the game being "boring" or "simple"
So nobody posted this? Major Spoilers!!!!
Last level through ending credits:
My thoughts:
! Game still doesn't look great with Sonic's massive acceleration but having Eggman take all of the previous stage boss forms is actually much better than how he was in other games. Non-ending is anticlimactic "Sonic has cleared the Final Stage!" but the ending AKA Sonic 1 ending might be better if one has all the chaos emeralds
Sweet, the Egg Gundam's back.
Thanks for the link RuNa! Lookin fun as hell! Robotnik's mech at the end looks so much more impressive in the final attack than it did during the rest of the fight.
<–--Super Excited!
I'm more interested in Episode 2 now.
! METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm still not satisfied with the going-animation. He just looks too bored to me. He swung his arms in the earlier games and I kinda miss that. Would've looked better that way.
But the game itself looks pretty decent. Homing Attack does it's job too. Cool cool.
…..METAL!!!!!
Oh nos.....Sonic Heros! AHHHHH!
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…..METAL!!!!!
Oh nos.....Sonic Heros! AHHHHH!
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Sonic 2!
Sonic 3!
Metal Sonic is not bad. The character does not make the game.
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http://www.sonicthehedgehog4.co.uk/en/
Click Screens and check out the various game screen shots.
Not bad by the looks of things, especially when you consider the limitations of staying 2D & ensuring its in-keeping with the previous games.
…..METAL!!!!!
Oh nos.....Sonic Heros! AHHHHH!
Hey, Sonic Heroes was a good game if you got past the narmtastic lines.
@JERK:
Donkey Kong Country Trilogy > Sonic Trilogy
I fuckin' hear ya.
@Cyan:
Hey, Sonic Heroes was a good game if you got past the narmtastic lines.
LETS SHOW HIM THE SUPER POWER OF TEAMWORK!!!!!!!
But i like Sonic Heroes, so yeah:ninja:
@Cyan:
Hey, Sonic Heroes was a good game if you got past the narmtastic lines.
Except that it had an uncountable amount of bugs and glitches, which were the main reason I died in this mess of a game 90% of the time.
This was even more annoying when the horribly designed levels became so long that they took more than 10 minutes to finish.
Not to mention the boss fights….
Coming from SA 1 and 2. Why did they make Sonic look like he ran with knuckles fist up his ass?
It looks so boring to me, oh the camera sucks, the games levels are long and i stopped at level 3.
Im so used to Jason Griffith kicking ass the Ryan just seems like a bitch to me, playing SA2 and Heros was like hell for my ears.(Minus the music of course)
http://www.destructoid.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-s-fanbase-is-now-eating-itself-169978.phtml#ext
Delicious.
De. Lic. Ious.
There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.
Holy Christ - That's sheer proof of the idiocy of the greater, (approx.) 10-year-old Sonic fanbase, and why they need to be brought to reality - The classic games were good, yes, but not worth being used as tools for ruining Sonic's uncertain future.
but not worth being used as tools for ruining Sonic's uncertain future.
That's been left to sega to do for the past 15 years, and they've done a bang-up job of it.
It's quite astonishing that four or five very good games almost twenty years old still make so many people go crazy whenever a new iteration is announced.
That's been left to sega to do for the past 15 years, and they've done a bang-up job of it.
Ah, Touche, good sir. :ninja:
The fact remains that this is an attempt from SEGA to make amends yet an extraordinarily hypercritical fanbase has taken every little leak and gone absolutely apeshit, nitpicking over the smallest of minutiae, frothing at the mouth at the color of Sonic's eyes and the fact that he doesn't look potbellied. "He's too slow," "he's too fast" "he has too much momentum" "I hate the minecart level" "I hate the number of spikes on his back" 10 pages of "the physics are fucked up." This thread is no exception. This fanbase is amongst the whiniest in gaming even in the best of times.
People in the fanbase saw a few leaked seconds of gameplay and decided they were so outraged that they started a fucking petition to buy up copies of Sonic 1 in protest? Really? Really??? Are we serious? (but we are: http://www.destructoid.com/whining-sonic-fans-take-sonic-4-complaints-to-new-lows-164963.phtml)
SEGA is making an attempt and it can be called nothing less than that. But I'm doubtful that the fanbase will appreciate Sonic 4 even if it is good.
To wit, I present exhibit A: http://www.destructoid.com/why-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-will-suck-166221.phtml
And have said my peace.
There's a great lighthearted vibe around here, because no matter how serious we might get, we're all together because of some magical pirate.
Internet. Serious business.
The fact remains that this is an attempt from SEGA to make amends yet an extraordinarily hypercritical fanbase has taken every little leak and gone absolutely apeshit, nitpicking over the smallest of minutiae, frothing at the mouth at the color of Sonic's eyes and the fact that he doesn't look potbellied. "He's too slow," "he's too fast" "he has too much momentum" "I hate the minecart level" "I hate the number of spikes on his back" 10 pages of "the physics are fucked up." This thread is no exception. This fanbase is amongst the whiniest in gaming even in the best of times.
People in the fanbase saw a few leaked seconds of gameplay and decided they were so outraged that they started a fucking petition to buy up copies of Sonic 1 in protest? Really? Really??? Are we serious? (but we are: http://www.destructoid.com/whining-sonic-fans-take-sonic-4-complaints-to-new-lows-164963.phtml)
SEGA is making an attempt and it can be called nothing less than that. But I'm doubtful that the fanbase will appreciate Sonic 4 even if it is good.
To wit, I present exhibit A: http://www.destructoid.com/why-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-will-suck-166221.phtml
And have said my peace.
The facts:
People hate Rush.
Dimps made Rush.
Dimps are making Sonic 4.
People who care are therefore nervous.
There are the weirdo fans who harp on about eye color & quills and so forth, but to the people who have more then 2 brain cells to rub together, this has only ever been about physics and level design.
Sadly people who have more then 2 brain cells in the sonic fandom are in short supply, most have given up long ago. So the loudest voices are the weirdos.
Yep. Most Sonic fans are pretty retarded. I think the game looks really cool, although, I'm still worried about a few things, I admit. I hope after this, SEGA picks up the Unleashed Day Engine and make an awesome game out of that. Unleashed Day stages were the shiz-naz. Didn't Dimps have a hand making the Advances?
Everyone keeps talking about how bad Sonic games are in the past,I don't see why some people even said Sonic ADVANCEs were failures! What??! I can only recall a few that were ACTUALLY BAD. Sonic '06 and 'leashed (Half of Sonic Unleashed) come to mind. I'VE never played Sonic Rush (1-2) or Shadow, so I can't say anything. I mean Sonic Rivals' problem was just that it was kinda boring after a while. What's REALLY bad is the voice acting since Shadow.( Not saying that the Voice Acting was perfect, but everyone had pretty good VAing in Heroes (which was also good) But let's not get into that.
Back on topic, though this game looks really awesome! CAN NOT WAIT! They say it'll be on PSN, does that mean it'll be on PSP too? Cause I still don't have a PS3…..
Actually, Darkstorm, Rush sold well, got good reviews, and was all-around well recieved. You might hate Rush, but there's a sequel for a reason.
http://www.destructoid.com/sonic-the-hedgehog-s-fanbase-is-now-eating-itself-169978.phtml#ext
Delicious.
De. Lic. Ious.
That is a beautiful piece of beautiful, as was the article before it.
Rush was a second hand game of little merit.
It's like the game equivalent of Nicaragua.
Maybe it's not the Haiti of Sonic 06', but it's still fucking Nicaragua.
Pretty much.
Anyone who gave rush a sterling review either has their nostalgia glasses bolted too tight onto their faces or were just relieved not to have to review heroes or shadow or '06.
So if you liked Sonic Rush, despite it's flaws, you aren't a true Sonic fan?
Good to note.
Originally Posted by John Adams
I have always been dissatisfied, I know that. But lately I find I reek of discontentment; it fills my throat and floods my brain. Sometimes I fear there's no longer a dream but only the discontentment.
The Sonic fanbase are fuckin' retarded.
So if you liked Sonic Rush, despite it's flaws, you aren't a true Sonic fan?
Good to note.
Nothing so trite as being a "true" sonic fan or not.
Rush just changed what you needed to win from reflex skill to memorisation.
If that's your idea of fun, then go for it.
The Sonic fanbase are fuckin' retarded.
Also creepy.
So if you liked Sonic Rush, despite it's flaws, you aren't a true Sonic fan?
Good to note.
No it just means you have really low standards.
In fact I'd say that would make you a true Sonic fan.
Dimps also made the Sonic Advance games, which were awesome. They aren't making Sonic Rush 3, they're making Sonic 4, let's judge the damn thing after it is in our damn hands
there's no:
-crush 40
-rap music
-faggoty furry friends
-treasure hunting levels
-shooter levels
-werehog levels
-cross-species hedgehuman love
there are:
-old school composers
-retro level designs
-speed based reflex stages
-old robotnik bosses and baddies being reinvisioned in HD
-considerable efforts on SEGAs part to reconnect with the fanbase and respond to their concerns because they know they done fucked up.
goddamnit people give the game a chance or shut the fuck up
this is why we can't have nice things Edit: Weepy cockmonglers like the Sonic fanbase deserve games like Sonic '06, FUCK. Fuckin' internet.
Dimps also made the Sonic Advance games, which were awesome. They aren't making Sonic Rush 3, they're making Sonic 4, let's judge the damn thing after it is in our damn hands
there's no:
-crush 40
-rap music
-faggoty furry friends
-treasure hunting levels
-shooter levels
-werehog levels
-cross-species hedgehuman lovethere are:
-old school composers
-retro level designs
-speed based reflex stages
-old robotnik bosses and baddies being reinvisioned in HD
-considerable efforts on SEGAs part to reconnect with the fanbase and respond to their concerns because they know they done fucked up.goddamnit people give the game a chance or shut the fuck up
this is why we can't have nice things
No one here's being rabid about it.
Take your angst to some sonic fan site or something.
The Sonic Advance games are incredibly mediocre so actually you just lowered my expectations even more.
I haven't played the advance games. Are they worse then the rush games?
"Yeah, I guess this is a Sonic Game" - me playing Sonic Advance
They aren't bad, just really dull and who-cares.
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This is sorta what I was saying… don't you guys think people are getting WAY too critical and nitpicky? It'll probably be fine. I mean the creators have the license to change a certain amount of stuff in each game and try to make the overall series better. Getting different companies and different designers allow that growth to occur.
Myep...
Well, it's progressed over the last fifteen years after sega put out terrible game after terrible game.
At this point, it's pretty much wait and see - with no expectations whatsoever.
Thinking a company that has released nothing but punch lines preceded by giddy hype since the mid-90's will release a mediocre game in spite of giddy hype is not hating, not nitpicking, not critical.
It's the logical mindset to have.
