New facts about DF!

[gamistras]

well in chapter 447 usopp said this:

Usopp: We sure ran into a skeleton who once died and came back to life by means of a Devil's Fruit!!
He's the exception among exceptions…! There's no two same Devil Fruits [Abilities] in the world.
So there's no way other dead people could come back to life!!!!!

so an old theory was indeed true! now since we know two people can't have the same DF and a book about DF already exists as BB said do you think it is possible that the DF regrows from the dead body of the user???

and the main questions of the thread:

1.do you think someone from BB's crew will eat ace's fruit if the upper theory is true and ace is dead?

2.according again to the upper theory can luffy's fruit be eaten by roger and shanks took it after the execution?

(the tests have surel an impact on me,damn those questions are cold!!)

[Mugiwara Maximus]

1. No because none of BB's crew have stylistic potential to be elemental fire. Stylistically, it really only suits Ace.
2. No because revealing later on that Luffy ate the same fruit as Roger would be a cheesy plot twist.

[gamistras]

@Mugiwara:

2. No because revealing later on that Luffy ate the same fruit as Roger would be a cheesy plot twist.

i see,well it is better than roger being his granpa!!

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

Of luffys mother and DADAN is the grandmother(the chara mentioned of the mayor of luffys homeisland

[GearSecond]

All that means is tat at one time there arn't 2 of the same DF being used in the world. This likely means that Brooke is still "using" his DF.

Basically, it just means that later it might come back somehow. It'll probably be explained in the next few arcs, or if not then when we meet the good Dr Vegabank.

[SabZ]

Hogback might know how to clone fruits. And he cloned Brooke's fruit years and years ago, before Brooke even ate it.

[Impel Down]

What Hogback is doing is not bringing people back to life, he's making creatures and giving them life.

[UsoppKing]

Dr. Hogback = Dr. Frankenstein

[AnotherHero]

Id be seriously dissapointed in Oda if it tunrs out Roger had the gomu gomu no mi.

[The Last Sheikah]

I don't see what's so bad in Gol D. Roger having eaten the Gum Gum Fruit… Sure, it's clichéd, but it kind of makes sense- If both the 'kings of pirates' had eaten it, that means it's a very good DF.

[VL7]

How does Ussop know that there can't be more than two same DF anyway? Its so annoying sometimes, the characters know so much more than we do.

And it doesn't need to regrow from the body, it could just fall from the sky(though, that would kinnda destroy the "devil" fruit name) or maybe it just grows from a random tree. Like this:

Once the DF user dies the devil escapes from his body and like the soul of Brook flies around looking for a tree to inhabit. Then a fruit with the devil inside grows from that tree.

[rate_my_story]

the characters know more than we do because they live in that world. we aren't told everything from the get-go, but certain things are just known knowledge there that just hasn't been said out loud yet. like how they all knew that fishmen existed before going to arlong park, but we didn't.

[Mavado]

How can you take anything Ussop says as fact?
Apart from being a patological liar, it doesn't exactly
seem like he knows that much of the world…

[Impel Down]

I really don't think Roger had a DF. He just used raw physical strength.

[GearSecond]

The characters don't always know more.

Robin's past was her flashbacks, and Luffy doesn't know 1/2 his crew's backstories, unless they were told while sailing.

It's obvious that Dr Hogback is some kind of Dr Frankenstein, making stitched up zombie creatures and giving them a new life.

[CosmicDebris]

@VL7:

How does Ussop know that there can't be more than two same DF anyway? Its so annoying sometimes, the characters know so much more than we do.

Well, they're part of that world, we're not. There's a reason why we learn things a little at a time.

As for Usopp knowing, he seems to have read up on things a lot like Nami, just like how he knows about certain pirates and their histories. Usopp isn't a "pathological" liar. He makes up stories that build himself up, he doesn't tell random lies.

[Aldrich]

It doesn't matter if Usopp knowing it makes no sense, since this is Oda speaking through him. This is exactly like when Luffy told Ener there was a bunch of monsters awaiting him in the Blue Seas and that he was nothing compared to him, people were like "how could Luffy know, he was just bluffing" and next thing you know Oda says the exact same thing in a SBS a few years later.

[tony-kun]

I think we all assumed as much anyways.

We cant assume how devil fruits are recycled tho. Not from this. We can assume that they are recycled after death, but we cant assume how it happens. We dont have enough knowledge.

All ussop's words confirm is that there is only one of each fruit. Nothing more.

[boiga]

There's very little chance that Roger had the Gomu Gomu fruit. If he did, buggy would have recognized it in his first fight with luffy. You would imagine he would remember the potential and abilities of his old captain's devil fruit.

The marines would have recognized it as well and given luffy a much higher bounty from the start for potentially having the same capabilities as the Pirate King.

[Rockschmock]

@Aldrich:

It doesn't matter if Usopp knowing it makes no sense, since this is Oda speaking through him. This is exactly like when Luffy told Ener there was a bunch of monsters awaiting him in the Blue Seas and that he was nothing compared to him, people were like "how could Luffy know, he was just bluffing" and next thing you know Oda says the exact same thing in a SBS a few years later.

I think rather than Luffy bluffing in that particular scene, he was being honest. At that moment Enel didn't look all that strong to Luffy (because all of his special attacks were useless against Luffy). Crocodile and Smoker were a much bigger threat to him than Enel. So this was no bluff, nor was it just a mere "Oda spoke through him". Actually, Oda is speaking through his characters all of the time. Using "Oda spoke through him" to explain just a single line would mean "there's no other reason why this character would say this or that, other than Oda trying to tell us something". When Usopp would suddenly exclaim "GUYS, ORDER PIZZA HUT IT'S DELICIOUS" that'd be a case of "somebody speaking through some character".
We've just got confirmation of something some people were wondering about all of the time, while other people realised it right from the beginning. Don't get so worked up about it.

[Aldrich]

Errr… I didn't get the least bit worked up over it, but thanks for your concern I guess?

[Rockschmock]

Oh sorry, didn't mean you were the one who got worked up.

[bedrock]

@gamistras:

….
1.do you think someone from BB's crew will eat ace's fruit if the upper theory is true and ace is dead?

2.according again to the upper theory can luffy's fruit be eaten by roger and shanks took it after the execution?
....

1: there was a thread (not so long ago) that questioned the mechanism behind devil fruit "reappearance". Up to now we simply don´t know how devil fruits grow (or how loing it takes them). If they just materialized out of the dead body of the former user this would be common knowledge - and extemely lame that it didn´t even get mentioned once in the whole story …

2: see above + marine letting a spectator simply take the fruit of the pirate king? + it would have happend 20 years before Luffy ate it ...
=> probability=0 (roughly)

[Angel emfrbl]

Chapter 1 it was stated Shanks' crew took it from a enemy ship… In other words, they happened to come by it. Yet Shanks did know it was the Gomu Gomu fruit

[Dixxy Mouri]

@Angel:

Chapter 1 it was stated Shanks' crew took it from a enemy ship… In other words, they happened to come by it. Yet Shanks did know it was the Gomu Gomu fruit

According to the Viz translation it seems like Shanks knew what it was before Luffy ate it, but it's also possible he reasoned it was that fruit after Luffy's arm stretched and he at least knew OF the Gomu Gomu no Mi.

[Impel Down]

He also seemed extremely bummed when Luffy ate it.

[Dixxy Mouri]

@Impel:

He also seemed extremely bummed when Luffy ate it.

Well, for one, DFs are supposed to be rather valuable, right? Perhaps he and his crew were planning on selling it. He also might have had concern for Luffy as well.

[Impel Down]

Maybe the same thing happened with Brook?

[Angel emfrbl]

I wouldn't say Shanks was bummed Luffy ate it…

... He seemed horrified at Luffy unknowingly ate it. And the DFs supposedly go for about 100 mil beli. I think odd that Shanks says he wouldn't allow anyone on board who couldn't swim and yet he was asking Buggy to join his crew in the flashback from the past.

[Mr. All Sunday]

I'm fairly sure he said that to discourage Luffy from pestering him.

[AnotherHero]

Or to just show how big of a deal eating a DF is.

[Captain Ramen]

It is nice to have this confirmed, even if most of us already guessed that. As for how the fruits come back, my best guess is that they take a long time to grow, like 100 years or so.

[murray24]

i think that the devil fruit grow in one of the sky island in a specific place. But no one can have the control of this place even the WG, it's like heaven with the tree (like adam/eve and the forbidden fruit). It's a very dangerous place and a person who already has got a devil fruit can't go to this place. After all we know that skypea is not the only sky land.
Or all the devil fruits come from Raftel, and there is a civilisation in that island who throw them in the sea on small boat…but i have got some doubt about that.

[ascalon]

@Rockschmock:

I think rather than Luffy bluffing in that particular scene, he was being honest. At that moment Enel didn't look all that strong to Luffy (because all of his special attacks were useless against Luffy). Crocodile and Smoker were a much bigger threat to him than Enel. So this was no bluff, nor was it just a mere "Oda spoke through him". Actually, Oda is speaking through his characters all of the time. Using "Oda spoke through him" to explain just a single line would mean "there's no other reason why this character would say this or that, other than Oda trying to tell us something". When Usopp would suddenly exclaim "GUYS, ORDER PIZZA HUT IT'S DELICIOUS" that'd be a case of "somebody speaking through some character".
We've just got confirmation of something some people were wondering about all of the time, while other people realised it right from the beginning. Don't get so worked up about it.

Yea, that was just Luffy just shooting down Enel's "god complex vanity", and saying there are tons of strong people on the blue sea who could take him on, which I would agree with. Don't know why anyone would read into it any more than that :getlost: .

But like I've been saying, I believe devil fruits have demon spirits in them (otherwise they could just be called angel or magic fruits), and that will be played out more in the series (Chopper's monster form could even be an example). With that said, there is only one demon in the world with the powers they have, so only one person can posess that power at any given time. The demon spirits probably just manifest as fruits from special trees or something, and possess the people that eat them. Makes sense to me…