We all know that Zoro is eventually going to have to get a new sword. But, do you think he should get a sword with a devil fruit power to make his attacks more versitile?
Should Zoro get a sword with a devil fruit power?
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Zoro relies on his raw strength and his skill as a swordsman. He doesn't need a gimmick sword to fight with.
There are other threads like this, too, you might want to post in one of those.
But no, Zoro doesn't need a devil fruit to fight.
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To put it simple: I don't think that would be considered honourfull for him.
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It would completely change his fighting style. If he wasn't mindful, he'd focus his attacks with it, and without it he'd be screwed. Zoro is badass enough without any DF sword.
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Well, what if it made him change his sword fighting style differently. It would need to make him stronger. Like what if the sword came to life, it would require a great amount of teamwork to make him fight well.
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wasn't there already a topic on this??
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@Don:
Well, what if it made him change his sword fighting style differently. It would need to make him stronger. Like what if the sword came to life, it would require a great amount of teamwork to make him fight well.
That's true, but if Mihawk doesn't need a devil fruit sword or ability to be the best, then why should Zoro? As far as we know, Mihawk and Whitebeard are two men that have surpassed the limits of all other men in their field on their raw power and skill alone. I'm confident that Zoro is able to achieve this as well; Luffy, too, for that matter.
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Yep. Thats the way how the story will progess.
On his left, he will wield a Seastone embedded sword on its blade. His right will be a sword that has the power of Dragon Zoan. While his wado ichimongi will possess the Nuclear Logia power, he himself eat the Light Light Universe Fruit.
..Santorryuu Ultimate….... BERSERKKKK!!
Mihawk? Blackbeard? Whitebeard?
bring it on !!! -
Yep. Thats the way how the story will progess.
On his left, he will wield a Seastone embedded sword on its blade. His right will be a sword that has the power of Dragon Zoan. While his wado ichimongi will possess the Nuclear Logia power, he himself eat the Light Light Universe Fruit.
..Santorryuu Ultimate….... BERSERKKKK!!
Mihawk? Blackbeard? Whitebeard?
bring it on !!!ROFL This really owns ….
Don Krieg, I´m pretty sure that there was once a longgoing thread about Zoros swords - it´s generally prefered to use existing threads ...
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Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of a sword that can turn itself into a human arm and back.
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It would be totally dependent on the DF - it'd have to be something that made him more powerful, but also requires a great power to use so it balances out for his character. Sort of a "This is a crazy weapon but you have to be crazy powerful to even think about using it" sort of thing
That being said, Zoro's ability to project his aura in the Asura stance is just as crazy of an ability as any devil fruit, and more than does the job. With an ability that awesome and crazy, a DF would just become redundant.
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Well, until a mod comes along to close this…
I think one of the great characteristics of Zoro is that he doesn't have to rely on any Devil Fruits; just his intense will to train and getting by with pure strength and concentration. Him getting a sword with a Devil Fruit would definately ruin that.
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Zoro doesn't need a Devil Fruit and neither does his sword. I want his new sword to be like a higher grade than Yubashiri, kind of like an upgraded one.
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I would really be dissapointed if he acquired a devil fruit power. Zoro has always relied on his own power. Zoro is not the type to accept help from others and a devil fruit is no exception.
I personally hope that more of the stronger guys later on don't have DF powers. In fact I was kind of dissappointed with BB having a DF. Not that theres anything wrong with DF but I just don't want the strongest people being the strongest because they have a DF.
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@Kma:
I would really be dissapointed if he acquired a devil fruit power. Zoro has always relied on his own power. Zoro is not the type to accept help from others and a devil fruit is no exception.
I personally hope that more of the stronger guys later on don't have DF powers. In fact I was kind of dissappointed with BB having a DF. Not that theres anything wrong with DF but I just don't want the strongest people being the strongest because they have a DF.
That's the thing. Blackbeard was strong to begin with. He just got the darkness fruit so when he does run up against some intangible foe like Ace, he could nullify their power and beat them to a pulp.
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Zoro wants to be the best swordsman, not to have the best sword.
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Zoro wants to be the best swordsman, not to have the best sword.
You took the words right out of my mouth..
To me, the fact that people like Sanji and Zoro are able to keep up with Luffy in terms of strength and power is really admirable seeing as neither has a devil fruit to aid them in doing so. It shows that they are just as capable of kicking arse without any trick weapons or powers. They don't NEED devil fruits in order to be strong, and frankly I don't their either of them would ever willingly eat one or use something that had been infused with DF powers.. (Minus Luffy of course.. He makes a pretty good slingshot. ) -
Zoro's badassness is based on the fact he's ridiculously strong without any of those gimmicks.
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What if the sword doesn't make him stronger, just allow him to get more attacks?
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Get more attacks in what way? Unless the sword isn't a katana of the same length Zoro usually uses, (meaning he might have to come up with new attacks if say he replaced one of his old swords with a claymore which weighs a lot more than your standard katana) I don't see how it could give him more attacks without having some gimmick behind it.
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The best thing about Zoro is that he just uses plain ol swords to fight.
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If Zoro gets a Zoan sword, Sanji will leave the strawhats.
'Another crap-mouth to feed?'
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i kno that most people like seeing zoro without a DF including myself but just for the sake of seeing more DF powers i wouldnt mind. Itd be cool seeing a devil fruit that wuld compliment his swordmanship skills.
seeing zoro with funk freed (i think thats what spandam's sword is called) would be pretty cool.
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I wouldn't like that. I think it would be interesting if Zoro's new sword WASN'T a katana (gasp!). I'd think I'dt be interesting if it were some other kinda sword.
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Nah, I think Zoro just needs to be a real swordsman. If he needs a sword with power to upgrade his skills would cheapen him and make him look weak. Zoro so far has been fine fighting with PURE skill and strength, he just needs to improve more on his skills and continue being a bad @$% without the help of devil fruit powers.
Heck, what would Mihawk think if Zoro would go so far to cheapen himself?This is a guy who claims to have the "STRONGEST sword in the world along with the Strongest skills."
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Well Zolo is really strong anyway. But you do make a good point. I mean, you never know if Mihawk really ate a cursed fruit so maybe Zolo could beat him if he ate one too. Don't hate me cause i use Zolo, i just like the name better ok? I hate 4kids as much as anyone.
Anyways, this is kind of off topic but I think out of all people Sanji should eat one. Everyone thinks Zolo is better at fighting than Sanji but if thats true how come when they fight its always a tie? I just think people would take Sanji more seriously if he ate a devil fruit.
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@Impel:
I wouldn't like that. I think it would be interesting if Zoro's new sword WASN'T a katana (gasp!). I'd think I'dt be interesting if it were some other kinda sword.
Ditto, though I would be concerned if one of the new swords he acquired was much heavier than the other two. (Iow, Wado Ichimonji, and whatever other sword he gets to replace the second broken one..) Zoro might be a super human but even a slight difference in weight, hilt type, blade width and length, etc, could possibly through his usual attack pattern off kilter.. Then again it could be kind of funny to see him adjusting to using different swords..
The question is.. What other sword type SHOULD he get if he were to choose something other than a katana? (Overpowered swords that spew fire, have DF powers, etc, don't count.) -
Zoro needs a DF katana that does nothing to improve his swordsmanship. Like a squirrel, that's just awesome and adds to his comic personality which lacks IMO right now.
OR a SLOTH that sleeps next to him all day!!!!
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Zoro needs a DF katana that does nothing to improve his swordsmanship. Like a squirrel, that's just awesome and adds to his comic personality which lacks IMO right now.
OR a SLOTH that sleeps next to him all day!!!!
i like the idea of a sloth sword :) i could see them sleeping together when an enemy comes. then zoro would try to use his super awesome coolness sloth/sword but it would be still asleep. the thought of zoro slamming a sloth against the ground to wake it up makes me giggle :)
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You know how Robin asked Spandam if Funkfreed ate the Sword Fruit, but it was actually a sword eating the elephant fruit.
Well maybe then there is a sword fruit? Anyone else thinks that a possible enemy later for Zoro is someone who has the sword fruit ability or has an animal that ate the sword fruit. Man what the hell am I talking about…
But then again it would be Kind of like Das Bones, though he ate the slice slice fruit (I think thats wht it was called). But still I wonder why Oda brought up that Sword Fruit (if there is one). Most likely though it was just for comedic relief.
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Instead of being a swordsman, Zoro would turn into blasting-shit-out-of-people-with-a-freaky-dragon-hobbit-swordsman.
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The more I thought about it, the more I came to the conclusion that Zoro will, indeed, get a new sword. It all has to do with Santoryuu.
Zoro originally practiced and fought with two swords. His reasons for doing so escape me; did he use a wider area offense to make up for deficiencies in defense, real or imagined? Or perhaps he just isn't good at wielding a sword with both hands. He did admit in his fight with the Nyaaban Brothers that one-sword style isn't his strength. Or maybe he just thought it looked cooler. Regardless of what his reasons were, Zoro was a devotee of Nitoryuu. When Kuina died, Zoro wanted to keep the promise for both of them. This meant fighting simultaneously in both Ittoryuu and Nitoryuu. In order to accomodate this, he developed Santoryuu. Referencing the Nyaaban Bros. again, Zoro warned them of the difference between simply using three swords at once and practicing Santoryuu. Anyone with two arms and strong teeth and jaws could swing three swords around, but they'd probably end up hurting themselves more than their opponent because they aren't thinking of how to use three swords at the same time for maximum efficiency. From this, it can be deduced that Zoro either had a very knowledgible sensei, or else he is a genius in his own right for developing an unorthodox style that is so effective.
Getting back to my stated point, Zoro originally fought with two swords, both of the same length. Using one full size sword and what is effectively a dagger (the remains of Yubashiri) was not part of his style and would require making major revisions to his existing style. Not only would any new technique have to take the difference in blade length into account, but his existing moveset would have to be similarly revised. While this should be possible for a genius that can conceive of Santoryuu, it would take considerable time. And as we have seen with the caliber of foe only increasing, Zoro needs a style which is as common as breathing to overcome all opposition, not a fledgling revision that requires attention best saved for his enemy. While Zoro might not simply discard Yubashiri, I am certain that he will replace it.
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@Kma:
You know how Robin asked Spandam if Funkfreed ate the Sword Fruit, but it was actually a sword eating the elephant fruit.
Well maybe then there is a sword fruit? Anyone else thinks that a possible enemy later for Zoro is someone who has the sword fruit ability or has an animal that ate the sword fruit. Man what the hell am I talking about…
But then again it would be Kind of like Das Bones, though he ate the slice slice fruit (I think thats wht it was called). But still I wonder why Oda brought up that Sword Fruit (if there is one). Most likely though it was just for comedic relief.
I think the Supa Supa (Which is the Japanese sound effect for a blade slicing in succession) qualifies as the sword fruit. He called himself a "Blade man". There couldn't be a fruit that specifically turned you into a single sword, because zoans are restricted to animal and humanoids.
Besides, that gimmick was already done with Usopp. Oda's not one to repeat a gag.
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Mr. 1 COULD become ONE blade. Just make yourself sharp and start cartwheeling.
Big wheel blade thingy. There you go.
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We do?
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Oh, interesting thought - it didn´t occur to me up to now that he might abandon the (comedy) 3-sword-style:shocked:.
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Why not a DF sword? It adds a whole new dimension to Zoro's fighting style. It offers versatility.
'cuz its cheap'
To that, I reply: "The game knows no rules of "honor" or of "cheapness." The game only knows winning and losing.", a quote from Sirlin.
What about the once-invincible Logia fruits then? Cheap because the weak can't get to them? Doesn't this sieve out the truly formidable then? Do you think Zoro's future opponents would really stand zero chance against a DF sword?
Or are you just afraid that his funky DF sword would steal the limelight from Zoro himself?
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Maybe Franky could build him a robotic cola-powered sword!
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Oh, interesting thought - it didn´t occur to me up to now that he might abandon the (comedy) 3-sword-style:shocked:.
It didn't occur to me either.
I'm not suggesting he abandon it, only that he adapt it to 2 1/2 swords …
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=10975&page=5
From about post #82 - #88 in that thread.
That's my stance. And in spite of some reasonable arguments against it, I still feel this way about Zoro getting a new sword.
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It didn't occur to me either.
I'm not suggesting he abandon it, only that he adapt it to 2 1/2 swords …
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=10975&page=5
From about post #82 - #88 in that thread.
That's my stance. And in spite of some reasonable arguments against it, I still feel this way about Zoro getting a new sword.
Oh, I see … completely missed that thread.
Such a developement would definitely hold a LOT of coolness (and it surely would match the scene when Zoro holds the broken sword against the sea, remembering Ippon Matsu`s words ...). But for the moment we know that he is acitvely looking for a new sword (shop scene, reaction to the "treasure ship"-idea). Guess we´ll just have to wait, a lot more might happen than one thinks on the first look ... (those surprises make me love this manga)
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Maybe Zoro will get a chain saw!
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Oh, I see … completely missed that thread.
Seems like you weren't the only one. The other thread is the reason why so many people expected this one to be closed, because they're essentially about the same subject – though the other one talks about new crewmate theories as well as new sword theories.
(and it surely would match the scene when Zoro holds the broken sword against the sea, remembering Ippon Matsu`s words …).
Yes, that scene shows that there's an unspoken promise between Matsu and Zoro as well as the more obvious spoken one between Kuina and Zoro. Back in Loguetown, after Matsu witnessed Zoro flipping Kitetsu in the air and not getting injured, Matsu apologized sincerely for treating Zoro like a novice swordsman. He then gave Zoro – as a form of apology -- "the best sword in this shop" (a family heirloom). That's quite an apology! And along with that came a promise, which Matsu voices only after Zoro has left : "trusting one man with another man's dream" ... in other words, he's hoping that Zoro will accomplish something with Yubashiri that he (Matsu) was never able to accomplish himself.
But for the moment we know that he is acitvely looking for a new sword)
Good point! You're right - he's shown that he's not above looking for another sword. But I don't think he'll pitch Yubashiri when he does. It's possible that he'll have four swords, but only carry three, switching them around according to need, or maybe Yubashiri will sit in an alcove or on a shelf in his room on the ship. Something to meditate, but not actually fight with anymore.
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It's not like he can't use a broken sword. It'd just be like a dagger.
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@Impel:
Maybe Zoro will get a chain saw!
No way. This is NOT Zombie Powder.
Zoro's next sword will either be Nidai Kitetsu, Autumn Rain, or the sword that the Gorosei guy is holding.
Or, if you remember, Greg pointed out the rough drawing of Hatchi's trainer, some Ashura looking Gyojin on Gyojin Island. If anyone's a candidate for Zoro's new sword, he is.
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The Gorosei's sword was a fucking TANBO! IT'S A WOODEN STICK!
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You can do anything with yur harts.
Even cut stuff with a stick.
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Zoro breaks well made metal swords, a stick in his hands would shatter before he swung it from how tightly he'd hold it..
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I love this topic. I am not a fan geek, so I think Zorro getting a DF sword would be awesome! Further more, a sword "eating" a fruit is just impossible/stupid, so it supports the demon aspect of DF's even more. It makes sense, in the fiction world there are a lot of demon posessed weapons, lol.
What Kind of wonky power would be good for zorro's sword? Maybe something like a crystal/diamond fruit that can turn itself into crystal or diamond. That's be neat, or even form crystal/diamond out of the earth.
Maybe a double-double fruit, where the sword could project a double of itself anywhere in visible space, allowing him to use the sowrd at range. Heck, that'd make him a 4 sword swordsman!
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Oh, I see … completely missed that thread.
Such a developement would definitely hold a LOT of coolness (and it surely would match the scene when Zoro holds the broken sword against the sea, remembering Ippon Matsu`s words …). But for the moment we know that he is acitvely looking for a new sword (shop scene, reaction to the "treasure ship"-idea). Guess we´ll just have to wait, a lot more might happen than one thinks on the first look … (those surprises make me love this manga)
I completely agree. That's a much better idea than getting a new sword, which is a more predictable approach. But knowing Oda, Zoro is getting a new sword…