woww…..thx BF...nice chapter....
Chapter 438 "Pride" Discussion
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I like how throughout the speech about insubordination and respecting the captain, Zoro calls Luffy an idiot, hits him over the head, then tugs on face.
That was one of my favorite things about this chapter.
But I don't think this means he hates Usopp or wants to see him suffer. On the contrary, I think Zoro cares a lot about Usopp and felt that this form of "tough love" was necessary for Usopp to help Usopp make the jump from "lamb" to "lion." A jump that will be vital once they enter into rougher waters on the 2nd half of their voyage.
I agree completely. A lot of people seem to think that Zoro has it out for Usopp, but it's simply not true. Whenever Zoro sees a potential weakness in one of the crew members (for example, Chopper during Davy Back Fight), he simply tries to correct it in order to make that person and the crew stronger. Of course, he's not the most tactful guy around, so it comes out pretty harsh sometimes…but since they're pirates, they've got to deal. Zoro's a hardass, but he's a good guy who looks out for his captain and his crew. (And he's right to do so, 'cause the New World is about to make things a whole lot tougher.)
(Another highlight of this chapter was seeing Sanji side with Zoro rather than with Nami. Armageddon is nigh.)
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@Skull:
Thats sweet and all but it doesn't make him any stronger, which is still a major reason he left. Everyone else got to beat CP9 members and he didn't get crap, in an arc where he needed it more than any other. Now hes rejoining and hes still weak and useless.
Okay that's true. Oda screwed up and got himself in the tight corner, Usopp will shine, just you wait
And I bet anything that by next arc Oda will forget this whole thing and have Usopp continue with his same old routine like nothing ever happened. Usopps character got screwed over just so Oda could create a bunch of extra Water 7 drama and it sucks.
Yea cuz Zoro is still an arrogant badass that thinks he can defeat everybody and Nami still hates all pirates. Oda isn't stupid. This definitely showed Usopp learned a hard lesson and it was necessary. I don't think he learned before that he shouldn't respect the captian. This was needed to be learned.
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@Skull:
Usopps character got screwed over just so Oda could create a bunch of extra Water 7 drama and it sucks.
We don't know this yet. I still believe that Usopp's personality is going to change (ever so slightly) as a result of this whole incident.
For the record: I know what Zoro did and why he did it (as stated so eloquently by other posters), but I simply feel sympathy for Usopp, because I know he must be hurting and will continue to feel so for quite a while afterwards, even if he doesn't directly address it with other crew members.
@ultimateclima:
I don't think he learned before that he shouldn't respect the captian. This was needed to be learned.
I think you mean he shouldn't disrespect the captain. :)
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Thanks BF and everyone else who contributed.
I can't believe that pretty much every single person here failed to comprehend the whole Usopp scene despite the chapter title.
Usopp understood the situation wholeheartedly the whole time, but because he didn't want to sacrifice his pride, he tried other ways. Once he realized that in order to get back with the crew he had to swallow his pride he had to make a decision about what was worth more, his hubris or his nakama.
He chose his nakama. It wasn't about Usopp being 'forced' to aplogize, it was about Usopp realizing that he was sacrificing his friends for his own self-image.
I can't believe this wasn't said until the 187th post. Unbelievable.
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I can't believe the pretention of some of the posters in this thread. Unbelievable.
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I think most of page 10 up until this point has had some of the most level-headed posts. I hope it ends there….
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I can't believe that pretty much every single person here failed to comprehend the whole Usopp scene despite the chapter title.
Well said. Aside from your post, never has so little been said with so much, and yet meant absolutely nothing.
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heh heh
I knew after reading this chapter that the board would be in an uproar. I think as some others have put it, the name of this chapter says it all. I don't know why so many people have such a hard time understanding/accepting it.
Also, Garp is fuckin' awesome.
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Also, Garp is fuckin' awesome.
Isn't he? I also love how Zoro compared it to a baseball. XD
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Isn't he? I also love how Zoro compared it to a baseball. XD
Yeah, Garp was hurling the high heat with friggin cannonballs. Talk about badass.
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I can't believe that pretty much every single person here failed to comprehend the whole Usopp scene despite the chapter title.
Usopp understood the situation wholeheartedly the whole time, but because he didn't want to sacrifice his pride, he tried other ways. Once he realized that in order to get back with the crew he had to swallow his pride he had to make a decision about what was worth more, his hubris or his nakama.
He chose his nakama. It wasn't about Usopp being 'forced' to aplogize, it was about Usopp realizing that he was sacrificing his friends for his own self-image.
No, that doesn't make any sense to me at all plot-wise. The whole Usopp vs Luffy thing was because Usopp had really low self esteem, pride if you will and needed to assert himself and gain that pride. He kind of did, for a while. Until this chapter where he was grossly humiliated infront of all his nakama. So where does that leave us? Back at square one with Usopp's self esteem at a new all time low, nullifying his progress through one and a half arc.
In short, he left the crew to establish his pride and then threw it away again to get back. What's the point of that?
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Who said that Usopp's development stops here?
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The instant gratification police?
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No, that doesn't make any sense to me at all plot-wise.
1.The whole Usopp vs Luffy thing was because Usopp had really low self esteem, pride if you will and needed to assert himself and gain that pride.
2 He kind of did, for a while.
3Until this chapter where he was grossly humiliated infront of all his nakama. 4.So where does that leave us? Back at square one with Usopp's self esteem at a new all time low, nullifying his progress through one and a half arc.5.In short, he left the crew to establish his pride and then threw it away again to get back. What's the point of that?
Okay let break this down.
1.You got it that he has low self esteem, but why he was "forced to leave" is because he disrespected the captain. That's not pride, that's stupidity. Usopp completely undermined them.
2.He got all that and a lot more. So much so that his pride made him arrogant. What he needed was strength, but he couldn't get back on the crew with that alone.
See, if Usopp did become ultra powerful, how could he lower his pride at all? If Usopp tried to get back on now that's he all powerful but never learned why the captain dismissed him, he would've never been able to go back and Usopp probably would've just left the story forever.
3.That was the whole point. He didn't show any respect for his captain, he could've just apologized, but his PRIDE got in the way. He had to let that go. Pride is a good thing, but you need to let that go for nakama.
4.How does that hurt his self esteem? He's back with his crew, he has a cool weapon, and all he had to do was learn that one shouldn't be so arrogant. His bark can't be worst than his bite anymore, especially with the NEW WORLD coming up.
5.In short, he tried to prove himself and showed that he needs his nakama, because without them, he's useless. He didn't do anything important because he was on his own. The reason why he had to leave was because of his pride, but that's not why he left. He learned that lesson and will becoem stronger with his nakama.
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@Battle:
ONE PIECE - 438 LQ (Digi Cam)
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Enjoy!
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i thought it was very manly/brave of Usopp to apologize and letting go all the negativity he built earlier. if it was me, i would be too ashame to face the crew even if they smillingly invited me.
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D:<
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@Cap'n:
Who said that Usopp's development stops here?
YES!
Just because the chapter's over doesn't mean the matter's over! Don't you think there's going to be quite a bit of chapter 439 dedicated to Usopp apologizing some more, being welcomed back to the crew, all that stuff?
Now, here are MY thoughts on this chapter.
1. Zoro: Zoro didn't make his speech because he dislikes Usopp or anything like that. He made his speech because he was the only one who thought that Usopp might not return. Besides Luffy and Chopper, everyone recognized Sogeking as Usopp, so they naturally assumed it meant he wanted to return. Except Zoro. And he was ready to accept that.
Keep in mind that Zoro has a… unique thought process. Showing compassion and being gentle with others is a foreign concept to him. His speech was so harsh because that's how his mind works. That's how he copes with it. Do you honestly think he meant EVERYTHING he said the way he said it? Of course not. Everyone on that ship has a bond with everyone else, and Zoro and Usopp are no exception. The factor here is that Zoro isn't very good at showing it.
It's not a matter of pride, either. Don't think I'm saying that Zoro had to keep up his badass image or anything like that. What I'm saying is he doesn't know HOW to show his emotions like that.
2. Usopp: Usopp's return was pretty much how I expected it to go. His original goal was to return to the ship, of course. What he was trying to figure out was a way to do it while maintaining his pride. That's why he spent all that time trying to think up return strategies. When he found out the Strawhats were leaving, he had to abandon his plans.
If Usopp did manage to get back on the ship with his "Super Captain Usopp" bit, I think he would have apologized for real later on. Keep in mind, he was VERY rushed for time. He had to try something, so he went with the first thing that came to mind.
Usopp's fantasy was that he would be let back on the crew with warm smiles and everyone would act like nothing happened and hugs and cookies all around. He convinced himself that this is how it would happen, and he was only prepared for that.
Now, when his plans didn't work, that's when the delusions stopped. That's when the truth really hit him, that he was wrong and he needed to apologize. In order to do that, he would need to destroy the very thing he was trying to maintain, his pride. So he did.
He was desparate. The way I see it, he wasn't desparate to get back on the ship. He was desparate for the crew's forgiveness. In my eyes, in the back of Usopp's head, he knew there was a chance that he wouldn't be allowed back on the ship, but he also realized that nothing would ever be right between them if he didn't apologize for what he did.
When Usopp left the crew, he did it because he doubted himself. I think that because of the life he lived before meeting Luffy, he doesn't quite understand what the crew says to each other without actually saying it. For the most part, everyone knows that they all depend on each other as a family. But I think Usopp doesn't really know what that feeling is. He needs people to tell him that he's doing good. But he never got it, because the rest of the crew doesn't need to hear it to know they have everyone else's respect and love. He loved his crewmates, but he was unsure if they loved him back.
Now, like I said earlier, I don't think he's done apologizing yet. There are a few things he needs to do. First, he needs to reveal to Luffy and Chopper that he's Sogeking, if nothing more than to show that he didn't really ever want to leave the crew. Second, he needs to ask for Luffy's forgiveness.
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@ultimateclima:
Okay let break this down.
1.You got it that he has low self esteem, but why he was "forced to leave" is because he disrespected the captain. That's not pride, that's stupidity. Usopp completely undermined them.
2.He got all that and a lot more. So much so that his pride made him arrogant. What he needed was strength, but he couldn't get back on the crew with that alone.
See, if Usopp did become ultra powerful, how could he lower his pride at all? If Usopp tried to get back on now that's he all powerful but never learned why the captain dismissed him, he would've never been able to go back and Usopp probably would've just left the story forever.
3.That was the whole point. He didn't show any respect for his captain, he could've just apologized, but his PRIDE got in the way. He had to let that go. Pride is a good thing, but you need to let that go for nakama.
4.How does that hurt his self esteem? He's back with his crew, he has a cool weapon, and all he had to do was learn that one shouldn't be so arrogant. His bark can't be worst than his bite anymore, especially with the NEW WORLD coming up.
5.In short, he tried to prove himself and showed that he needs his nakama, because without them, he's useless. He didn't do anything important because he was on his own. The reason why he had to leave was because of his pride, but that's not why he left. He learned that lesson and will becoem stronger with his nakama.
1: Unless I missed something vital, Usopp left on his own accord under the pretext of wanting the Going Merry. In reality it was because he felt inadequate, and believed the crew felt burdened with him, and didn't want him anymore just like the Going Merry.
2: Usopp is "all powerful" now? That is not true by a longshot.
3: When Usopp left he seemed to build up his pride through being independent. He wasn't "too proud" to apologise to Luffy, he wanted his nakama and himself most importantly to see him as a useful person. Don't you see? When he lost all the gold, his pride hit rock bottom and it was pretty low already. He needed to assert himself in some way, that was where his entire character seemed to go. He built up his pride, but it was torn down again in this chapter.
4: He groveled and begged to get back. He humiliated himself, and acted really pathetic. You don't see how this hurts his self esteem?
5: I don't understand this last point. "The reason he had to leave was because of his pride but that was not why he left" ?
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You guys are taking this show way too seriously…...
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in regards to whoever it was that chose to prostitute the title as an excuse for usopp;
so he's a proud man of the sea but not brave and still refuses to take responsibility. he left the crew in a blaze of insubordination. just because you say he's proud it doesn't change that. if anything it makes things worse. luffy is the captain :period-smilie:
no tampax jokes
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SERIOUS BUSINESS.
hee hee hee…ARLONG PARK, the perfect mixture of PIRATES and INTERNETS
Not to be totally OT, but I really think the next arc is going to have alot of Sanji action.
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@Sentynal:
You guys are taking this show way too seriously…...
Welcome to the forums!
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And total and complete seriousness :3
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1: Unless I missed something vital, Usopp left on his own accord under the pretext of wanting the Going Merry. In reality it was because he felt inadequate, and believed the crew felt burdened with him, and didn't want him anymore just like the Going Merry.
2: Usopp is "all powerful" now? That is not true by a longshot.
3: When Usopp left he seemed to build up his pride through being independent. He wasn't "too proud" to apologise to Luffy, he wanted his nakama and himself most importantly to see him as a useful person. Don't you see? When he lost all the gold, his pride hit rock bottom and it was pretty low already. He needed to assert himself in some way, that was where his entire character seemed to go. He built up his pride, but it was torn down again in this chapter.
4: He groveled and begged to get back. He humiliated himself, and acted really pathetic. You don't see how this hurts his self esteem?
5: I don't understand this last point. "The reason he had to leave was because of his pride but that was not why he left" ?
1.Yea, and he tried that, but the reason why he came back as Sogeking instead of Usopp was because of his pride. This whole thing could've been resolved if Usopp just apologized instead of challenging him to a duel. So he basically got screwed over by the "pride" that he apparently held dear.
2.When did I ever say he was all powerful? I am just saying he wanted to join his nakama and if he never swallowed up his pride he wouldn't have been able to join.
3.His nakama already saw him like that, he just didn't see himself like that. The "pride" he built up was a bunch of bull. To gain pride, I'll dress up like some kind of superhero that needs a pirate to save me. He basically felt the same when until Sanji told him he can be useful. That's when he realized that.
He wanted to go back as if nothing happened. He wanted to just join his nakama as if nothing has happened, but something did happen, and unless he man'd up to it, he shouldn't have been allowed to join again.
4.It was necessary though, sure it did hurt, but he's back with his nakama again. Sure apologizing hurts, but when you're back with those you hurt and they forgave you it totally makes it worth it.
5.Usopp the Proud was the reason why he couldn't go back to his nakama. He left to try to get some self esteem, but going on his own was horrible. He also learned that his friends do care for him and they know he is useful, so that problem was just his own issue. Going on his own with his pride wasn't worth it. His own pride was his downfall, and that is what made this ironic. He had to let it go to be back on the ship.
Hopefully with that he will stop trying to compare himself with the crew and finally become stronger.
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Just in case noone else noticed (too many pages to look through) but Luffy Zoro and Nami are all wearing matching Galley-la shirts. Man that is cute.
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well im not touching any of this Usopp is teh suxx or is teh shit with a twenty foot pole so all im gonna say about this chapter is Garp was pretty badass what with throwing cannonballs as baseballs but i still think like Buc said that hes just putting on a show.
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Pride:
1.a high or inordinate opinion of one's own dignity, importance, merit, or superiority, whether as cherished in the mind or as displayed in bearing, conduct, etc. 2.the state or feeling of being proud. 3.a becoming or dignified sense of what is due to oneself or one's position or character; self-respect; self-esteem.
An individual who finds it hard to apologize because of HARD-EARNED pride (ie; Zoro, Sanji, Luffy, basically anyone who has proven his worth/importance in the Strawhat Pirates lineup) = Cool.
If Zoro or Sanji was the one who apologized, I would go "OMG so manly!" because you don't see them trying to acknowledge their mistakes because they rarely commit mistakes most of the time. And the weight of the words "I'm sorry" is truly reflected because it's something that would not come out of their mouths naturally.
Given Usopp's character ALL THROUGHOUT the series, what important/bigtime shit has he ever done to merit the sort of respect that goes something like "OMG, he's so manly when he apologized"?
Pride is a sense of fulfillment or dignity you get when you've accomplished something big or you have proven something to yourself. When people belittle the accomplishments that matter to you, it's hard to swallow your pride. In this case, I can't see why it's so hard for Usopp to swallow his pride and Oda went to this great length of Usopp emo-ness when basically, he's been a deadweight to the team ever since the beginning of the W7 arc.
Like some dude said on the spoiler thread, the way Oda wrote it, he made it look like Usopp only apologized so that he can get back on the ship. And for Oda to devote one whole chapter just to prove that Usopp was wrong, stupid, idiotic, insubordinate the whole time and make this a "learning experience", I dunno…it just seems weak considering no other Strawhat could ever seem to do anything wrong.
Now, if Usopp goes back to his usual "I'm the real captain of the ship!" or his joke-ammos the next time some major fight occurs, then...Zoro explained it very well. "Anyone who crawls like that does not deserve to be on this ship."
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in regards to whoever it was that chose to prostitute the title as an excuse for usopp;
so he's a proud man of the sea but not brave and still refuses to take responsibility. he left the crew in a blaze of insubordination. just because you say he's proud it doesn't change that. if anything it makes things worse. luffy is the captain :period-smilie:
no tampax jokes
hahaha at the ending
As for the proud title…i think that's what Oda's trying to say. Usopp has no real reason to be proud. He's hit the bottom of the barrel, and there should stop acting so proud.
Where Oda goes from there though, is for next time on One Piece...
my guesses for next chapter
Usopp/Franky interaction with the crew.
Showing off the cool ship.
Robin doing more soft core hentai...with Nami(please)
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Nice chapter. Thanks, Battle Franky. I can't wait for a full translation.
I think theinvisibleworm really conquered the Usopp debate, so I see no need to step in there. It by no means justifies his actions, it simply explains them and rules out him lying about the situation just to get on the ship.
However, I think some people are being a little hard on Zoro (not really Taboo, because it seems like that's just a bit of joking around - by the way, the picture is hilarious). Sure, he said all that stuff against Usopp, blah blah. However, what he said made sense. Unless the first thing he hears from Usopp is a real heartfelt apology, there's no need to contiunue associating with someone so fickle.
And then, on top of that, Zoro went against his word a little bit out of respect for Usopp. It seems as though he and Luffy both heard Usopp's super captain speil, and just chose to pretend they didn't hear it. That way, when and if Usopp apologized, that would be the first thing they heard from him - a bit of stretching the truth for a friend. This shows that Zoro isn't an Usopp-hater or a backstabber, just simply a guy that knows how cutthroat and serious a pirate's life is and that if the entire crew isn't entirely dedicated, it all falls apart.
So, in summation, PIRATES R SERIOUS BUISINESS.
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Wow. Garp throwing cannonballs was freaking awesome.
Also, I really have no problem at all with Usopp's return, I mean, I didn't really expect anything different. In fact, I think it was a good ending for the entire scenario.
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Still no new script?
Re-reading that one after seeing the chapter, Zoro comes off more like a major league asshole than EVAR. While he makes some good points, half of what he says is convoluted, contradictory jibberish which makes NO sense: "Someone who crawls around like that and can’t stand up on his own shouldn’t be part of this crew!" and then only taking him back when he's literally on his KNEES, stripped of all dignity and sobbing like a little girl. (Because Usopp hasn't been quite humiliated enough in this arc.)
@Fire Fist:
The only crewmember that Usopp has bonded with besides Luffy is Chopper, and that's because Chopper is young and naive and believes everything Luffy tells him.
If you consider goofing around on deck and lighting each other's farts as "bonding" then yeah, they're the closest.
If you mean understanding each other on a much deeper and emphatic level, then no. Luffy and Usopp really don't get each other. The only ones I think that really do are Nami and Sanji. Usopp always confides in Nami and she was the one listening when he was at his most vulnerable in W7. Sanji acts like he doesn't give a fuck, but he's the one that's consistently supporting and encouraging him.
After cooling off, it's good that Usopp finally apologized (albeit in the most pathetic and pitiable way possible) for going nuts back then. But at the same time Luffy was a dick for not showing a little compassion, being the bigger man and CHECKING THAT TEMPER when Usopp was a hysterical, emotional basket case.
Luffy needs to apologize too. And no quick, "sorry I said you should get the fuck outta my crew" apology-bandaids either.
people weren't complaining about the "Super Captain Usopp" crap because it sounded like Usopp was trying to undermine Luffy's authority. People were complaining about it because it was pretentious.
Exactly, i don't know why it's so hard for Usopp to accept that he's a non-ranking officer or that he's not equal to Luffy but he needs to accept that and quickly. his insubordination is pitiful and disgusting.
Posts like this seem to imply otherwise.
Now that the Mugiwara have symbolically gone from being "lambs" (Merry) to being "Lions" (the new ship), I think we'll see "pride" issues a lot more frequently.
Heeey, never thought of that before.
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Back at square one with Usopp's self esteem at a new all time low, nullifying his progress through one and a half arc.
Well, it was certainly devestating to have his pride destroyed like that, but in desroying his pride, Usopp's delusions were most likely destroyed, too.
People use delusions to cope with life – especially when life is hard. They imagine themselves as richer, smarter, stronger, etc than they really are. And that's ok -- life would be very hard if we had to stare down the truth every morning in the mirror.
So the stripping away of those delusions is very painful. And yet,
when a person finally sees who they really are -- with no delusions -- they also gain one wonderful thing from the pain : they finally know who they really are, and can then learn to accept that person, however strange he or she may be.It may seem exremely harsh for Usopp to have fallen to this point in front of everyone, but if you look closely, you'll see that Oda has shown more mercy to Usopp in this chapter than he did to Franky in the previous chapter. At the precise moment when Usopp has his breakdown, he is alone, but about five seconds later, Luffy's arm reaches out for him. Usopp is no longer alone at the point where he has seen his true self -- he's in the arms of his captain (of his crying captain!).
Usopp is in the safest possible place now – with his crewmates. With people who care for him and forgive him.
I can't think of a place I'd rather be, if I ever reach that sort of low point in my life, than with my friends. Nobody can cut you down quite like a friend, but nobody can pick you up quite like one either.
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And total and complete seriousness :3
What the lass said.
Also I hope Usopp pulls something awesome in the next chapter. Or just shits his pants, whichever goes.
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@ultimateclima:
As for the proud title…i think that's what Oda's trying to say. Usopp has no real reason to be proud.
And this, IMO makes him an annoying character. Arlong + Alabasta arc, he was starting to really fight. He was starting to be given a reason about feeling proud about himself. This chapter completely blows because it took a step backward just to show that, "uh…no...he's still a coward and he needs some spanking".
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What the lass said.
Hey. Rapist, right?
Heh, I'm hoping for an awesome new sword for Zoro and a miniarc with sexy dead pirates.
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And this, IMO makes him an annoying character. Arlong + Alabasta arc, he was starting to really fight. He was starting to be given a reason about feeling proud about himself. This chapter completely blows because it took a step backward just to show that, "uh…no...he's still a coward and he needs some spanking".
Iono, IMO Usopp sees himself in one of two ways. He's either the best there can be or he's a weakling that;s in the way. like Drum for example:Usopp wanted to carry Dalton up to the mountain, and wanted to be the brave hero, but he couldn't. Zoro could, and Usopp got mad at him. The Enies Lobby incident is that but 1000x worse. He was a weakling and wanted to leave. He was the only one that sees that though. Zoro kept saying how everyone's improved whether they know it or not.
Its just hard for Usopp to see that because he's around monsters that just seem to get stronger. He doesn't recognize his own strengths. That's why he felt useless, and sadly this hasn't really been resolved.What was resolved was what made Luffy angry and tell him to leave:his cockiness.
Usopp thought he could be a great captain and leader, the best yadda yadda. That is what his "pride" is. He never faced a challenge face on and never humbled himself ever probably in his life. He always lied about these things.
This arc tried to get rid of the whole "I'm captain! I'm the best!" The bull that he always says to everybody. If he keeps that up, he'll get killed in the New World. He needs this lesson to keep traveling with his nakama. This behavior, the "pride" is what they're insinuating.
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No, that doesn't make any sense to me at all plot-wise. The whole Usopp vs Luffy thing was because Usopp had really low self esteem, pride if you will and needed to assert himself and gain that pride. He kind of did, for a while. Until this chapter where he was grossly humiliated infront of all his nakama. So where does that leave us? Back at square one with Usopp's self esteem at a new all time low, nullifying his progress through one and a half arc.
In short, he left the crew to establish his pride and then threw it away again to get back. What's the point of that?
Yes, so I guess the title "Pride" was referring to how badass Garp throwing cannonballs was, and had nothing to do with Usopp at all. This chapter wasn't showing us the death of old childish Usopp (I mean it's not like it literally showed us doing his same old shit, then having an epiphany, then completely changing, or anything), it was just "going back to square one."
I think you need to look at the chapter again.
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As for Usopp being "weak and useless", assuming this ship has some serious firepower I think the problem's solved.
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@ultimateclima:
This arc tried to get rid of the whole "I'm captain! I'm the best!" The bull that he always says to everybody. If he keeps that up, he'll get killed in the New World. He needs this lesson to keep traveling with his nakama. This behavior, the "pride" is what they're insinuating.
Point taken, but like I've said, if his pride stems from this sort of 'reasoning', then he was pretty much a pathetic character to begin with.
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Ah, everyone should be happy Usopp rejoined but everyone seems to overanalyze to shit. Usopp has nothing on him when he apologized, he shallowed his pride and admit he was wrong. He does not have to say "I just wanted to be useful and strong" because he realize that there is somethings he can do and cannot do.
Why is the reunion sparked so much crap, frist rent about Usopp quitting and wanted him back and then they rented when Usopp did not beat up Jabura and Sanji made a comeback and now people renting because Usopp apologize and is back in the crew?!
God, this is just a mess, nothing can make you happy. There should be "WOWY WOW!!! USOPP REJOINED!! YES! YES! YES!". For god's stake people just be happy that this is over.
Usopp was also being honest and decided not to pin blame on Luffy and Luffy apologized too.
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Just in case noone else noticed (too many pages to look through) but Luffy Zoro and Nami are all wearing matching Galley-la shirts. Man that is cute.
I noticed that earlier. Quite cute indeed!
I believe that Garp's awesome level is now officially over nine thousand.
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I am with Joekido for once.
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As for Usopp being "weak and useless", assuming this ship has some serious firepower I think the problem's solved.
Ship = strong firepower.
Usopp being ship's gunner = Usopp not useless.Usopp doesn't need to get physical like Zoro or Sanji. But he does need to kick serious ass as the story progresses or else, we'll eventually end up right in saying that his character is a joke allthroughout the series.
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I don't see how Zoro can make that speech with a straight face. He has fought Luffy too, and after he first joined he told Luffy he would kill him if he ever got in the way of his dream…
I see a lot of people talking about how this speech means that Zoro knows what insubordination is. Screw that, this speech just made him the biggest hypocrite on the crew.
Go Zoro!
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@joekido:
Usopp was also being honest and decided not to pin blame on Luffy and Luffy apologized too.
Wha? No shit? Where in the script did Luffy ever apologize to Usopp?
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I don't see how Zoro can make that speech with a straight face. He has fought Luffy too, and after he first joined he told Luffy he would kill him if he ever got in the way of his dream…
I see a lot of people talking about how this speech means that Zoro knows what insubordination is. Screw that, this speech just made him the biggest hypocrite on the crew.
Go Zoro!
Well luffy attacked him he tried to reason with him but he wouldn't listen so zoro had to fight.
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p.s. Boiga – I read your long post and I thought it was excellent. No time to reply to it now, but I'll try to do so later on this evening.
For boiga, because I promised a hundred or so posts ago …
Happy b-day.
Happy Birthday!
I like paw anchors that make the ship look like a cute little pouncing lion.
Me too. I wonder if they can trap smaller vessels just like Foxy's paw anchors did to Merry at the beginning of the DBF.
… Ussop's 10 point landing after a 6-7 story jump from the bridge shows MAJOR improvement since he first became a strawhat. He never even hesitated before launching himself off ... He's landed on his face after falling from high places so many times before that it's actually rather shocking to see his nose straight after that kind of jump.
It was beautiful, wasn't it. I actually cheered! I'm not only seeing physical improvement in it, but mental and emotional as well. Wasn't it only a chapter or two ago when Usopp was complaining to Zoro "why is it that nobody catches ME when I jump?!!" and now, here Usopp is, jumping straight off, trusting in luck and in his own two feet because a brave warrior of the sea doesn't wait for someone to catch him.
In regards to zoro and ussop in this chapter, both seemed to behave in the only manner that allowed for the continuation of this series. Apologizing is hard for a man of PRIDE and the manner in which ussop did so with such conviction shows that he has learned from the experience and matured.
I agree. The apology might not have been dignified, but it was certainly sincere.
Zoro recognized the need for everyone on the crew to fully respect Luffy's position as captain or risk complete anarchy among the nakama. Despite his hardass attititude, zoro still allowed some leniency in regards to Usopp's apology not being the first words out of his mouth. So, zoro's not being an dick about this and usopp learned his lesson. We can move on now.
When I first read the translation, at about 4 in the morning, I thought to myself "uh-oh, Zoro's overdoing it…" but then I got to thinking about how it was necessary for Zoro to overdo it so that the message would sink in for Luffy, who -- admittedly -- can be as dense as Zoro at times, and often moreso. ;)
Another thing that struck me was luffy's smile when the crew departed water 7 without Usopp …. odd about smiling not only at adversity, but as a coping mechanism for emotional devestation. It reminds me of Saul's Dereshishishi.
An Asian co-worker of mine told me that this is an "Asian cultural thing" (her words). That many Asians smile an extremely cheesy smile when they are upset or angry or dissatisfied, but when they don't want to challenge or embarrass or deal with the thing that's troublesome. A big cheesy smile communicated two things via body language : (1) that you are accepting the situation, but (2) that you would have preferred not to. We also see that sort of smile on Robin occasionally – in Skypiea and I think in Jaya.
Thanks for pointing it out -- I wouldn't have learned this info today otherwise!
Oh, Garp was most definitely taking it easy on the strawhats. There's no way he missed those first two shots (one hitting the water, the other hitting another debris ship) by accident.
Agreed! With a conveyor-belt of cannonballs, even if he didn't have excellent range or ability, he could have taken down the ship eventually just by being persistant. My gut feeling is that he and Aokiji are sick of seeing the Mugiwara dallying in W7 and are pushing them forward towards the next stage of their journey. I think Aokiji and Garp are just as eager as we are to see how well the Mugiwara fare in the New World.