The Release of Crocodile from Impel Down?
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But doesn't she use multiple arms?
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The sea stone cuffs do make DF users weak. If it didn't Robin could've easily overpowered Spandam, he is a weak bastard. We know Robin is strong enough to break ppl's back so w/o her DF ability she should be able to kick Spandam. The cuffs had to be making her weak, I mean she could barely walk.
You are completely wrong. Robin is very weak, her physical strength is equal to a normal thin girl. Spandam is weak, but she could not have overpowered him without her DF power. And he had FunkFreed so it would be completely hopeless.
Robin could only break his back because her physical strength increases with her ability.
Her ability being :X by number of arms = strength
That being, if her douriki (using it for purposes of strength) was 5.. Her strength would become much much greater with her fruit
5 x 100 arms = 500 douriki, which in that case would destroy spandam.
Of course, Robin's does not have a douriki, I was just using it for an example. She could not defeat him without her ability, she becomes stronger because she can get more arms… If the strength of 1 arm is a certain strength, adding 10 arms increases her strength by 10 times..
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Imagine someone like Zoro with that ability, rip apart flesh and break bones in half
Zoro's 2 arms can throw a house, I'd hate to see what 100 could do 0_0
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You are completely wrong. Robin is very weak, her physical strength is equal to a normal thin girl. Spandam is weak, but she could not have overpowered him without her DF power. And he had FunkFreed so it would be completely hopeless.
Robin could only break his back because her physical strength increases with her ability.
Her ability being :X by number of arms = strength
That being, if her douriki (using it for purposes of strength) was 5.. Her strength would become much much greater with her fruit
5 x 100 arms = 500 douriki, which in that case would destroy spandam.
Of course, Robin's does not have a douriki, I was just using it for an example. She could not defeat him without her ability, she becomes stronger because she can get more arms… If the strength of 1 arm is a certain strength, adding 10 arms increases her strength by 10 times..
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Imagine someone like Zoro with that ability, rip apart flesh and break bones in half
Zoro's 2 arms can throw a house, I'd hate to see what 100 could do 0_0
Bullshit….............................
I think you've confused Robin with Nami.
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I wouldn't say weak. She is pretty strong for a woman, but her strength doesn't come from the amount of her arms alone, it's how she uses them. She can use them to lock a person's body into a place and then twist them until something breaks. The thing is, a back is pretty strong and can withstand much punishment. However, if you try to pick up a heavy object behind you by twisting your back and then someone comes and pulls down on you with all of their might then you are likely to break some vertebrae. So Robin's power comes from her ability to hold you in submission and then twist your body in ways that it doesn't go.
But anyway, thanks to that we see the the handcuffs just nullify your ability, but not your strength.
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in what way is he confused cause he makes a good point. cause i dont see robin slamming the pacifista head like she did before with her bare strength and with out her devil fruit power
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I think it's pretty safe to assume Crocodile has a plan, and we'll be seeing him again in the future. It'll probably be quite far into the future, to make his return all the more of a surprise (and it's a bit too soon for him to come back just yet).
Hell, the longer it takes, the better, since the later he comes back into, the more beefed up he'll be (Oda doesn't seem to do the "DBZ fodder" thing where his old villains get creamed by newer people).
Personally, I'd like to see some kind of a Godfellahs-esque situation, where Crocodile has guards at ID working for him, and his cell is actually quite nice, with many comforts he shouldn't have. It'd fit the subtle mafia persona he's got going for him.
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from one piece wiki
It was stated by Captain Smoker that seastone "emits the same energy as the sea", possibly in the form of special wavelengths of some sort. So far the material has only shown any effect upon actual contact with someone who has eaten a Devil Fruit. Upon contact the material drains the victim's body of energy, and robs him of control of his Devil Fruit powers - having the same effect as throwing them into the sea.
The degree of "weakness" induced by the seastone depends on its density and composition; For example, seastone handcuffs rob the prisoner of their abilities, but still allow the prisoner to walk around normally. Seastone only works upon direct and constant contact, which explains how Captain Smoker can carry a seastone-tipped jutte on his back, without it disabling him. (Presumably, even thick clothing will prevent the Seastone's effect from harming the victim.). The sea stone is also said to be as hard as diamond.….....in short seastone DOES affect DF users srength along with nullify there abillities
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I know I was right, funny cuz I've had my one piece wikia page open all day and just didn't bother to look.
Waits for ppl to say one piece wikia is not a source
I think it's pretty safe to assume Crocodile has a plan, and we'll be seeing him again in the future. It'll probably be quite far into the future, to make his return all the more of a surprise (and it's a bit too soon for him to come back just yet).
Hell, the longer it takes, the better, since the later he comes back into, the more beefed up he'll be (Oda doesn't seem to do the "DBZ fodder" thing where his old villains get creamed by newer people).
Personally, I'd like to see some kind of a Godfellahs-esque situation, where Crocodile has guards at ID working for him, and his cell is actually quite nice, with many comforts he shouldn't have. It'd fit the subtle mafia persona he's got going for him.
I like this, hopefully many chaps down the line when Oda does like a focus of the prisoners in ID and it ends on a cliffhanger with "someone" sitting at one of them long dinner tables with a shadow covering have his body smoking a cigar with other prisoners sitting at the table(a little godfather-ish if you will).
I doubt Croc would be running the place even if he paid off the marine guards. I always had a feeling there are alotta big name dangerous guys in there.
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Personally, I'd like to see some kind of a Godfellahs-esque situation, where Crocodile has guards at ID working for him, and his cell is actually quite nice, with many comforts he shouldn't have. It'd fit the subtle mafia persona he's got going for him.
I agree with you but I also think Croc is looking for something at ID.
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@Zik:
I doubt Croc would be running the place even if he paid off the marine guards. I always had a feeling there are alotta big name dangerous guys in there.
To be fair, "Shichibukai/Warlord" is one of the biggest names you can have. Besides, it's in his character to be the boss. ID will probably give him a new roster of even more dangerous agents. Hell, it might be the whole reason he wants to go, who knows.
I'm actually quite anxious to find out, myself. Thankfully, I have patience…
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To be fair, "Shichibukai/Warlord" is one of the biggest names you can have. Besides, it's in his character to be the boss. ID will probably give him a new roster of even more dangerous agents. Hell, it might be the whole reason he wants to go, who knows.
I'm actually quite anxious to find out, myself. Thankfully, I have patience…
I am being fair we don't know who is in ID. For all we know Black Ceasar, Batholmew Sharp, Redbeard, and a host of other dangerous big name pirates could be in there.
Shichibukai is one of the biggest names you can have on the outside where everyone is free. In ID could be a total different situation, I'm sure Croc knows there are guys in there just as dangerous as him in there whether it be becasue of what they did on their own or cuz of their DF.
Again I didn't say Croc wouldn't be a big name I just don't think he'll walk in there running shit and he'd be the strongest prisoner in there.
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Don't forget Captain Hook.
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Crocodile is Captain Hook.
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Crocodile is Captain Hook.
And Urouge is Redbeard.Half right, Urouge's beard is not red. A lot of characters have beards but none red except for some filler.
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Eh, it just makes more sense to have Crocodile running things down there. Regardless of how anyone views his power, in terms of storyline and storytelling, he's designed to be a big boss, mastermind-type character. It'd be too out-of-character for him not to be in such a role.
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i don't think he would run anything
he was a dog of the government. I bet many in a high security prison would have some sort of grudge against a "traitor" like crocodile, even if at the end he turned out to not be so loyal at the world government.
he just gave up and decided to take the punishment. Same thing happened to Arlong. Hachi just escaped because he still had a dream of his own, just like the Misters and Misses of Baroque Works.
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Eh, it just makes more sense to have Crocodile running things down there. Regardless of how anyone views his power, in terms of storyline and storytelling, he's designed to be a big boss, mastermind-type character. It'd be too out-of-character for him not to be in such a role.
And I am saying there could be prisoners just as big if not bigger than Croc in ID. It's not even much of a reach.
Oda could easily throw in a Davy Jones epic like character that fought with the PK and lost blah blah blah and ended up in ID.
We don't know anything about ID.
Also, mind you this is IF Croc is running things there, it could be the opposite and ID could be on some super max prisoners constantly in lock down, no interaction with anyone sorta shit that you see in those movies that are set in the future where da prison is run by soulless bastards…....
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@Pospercato:
i don't think he would run anything
he was a dog of the government. I bet many in a high security prison would have some sort of grudge against a "traitor" like crocodile, even if at the end he turned out to not be so loyal at the world government.
he just gave up and decided to take the punishment. Same thing happened to Arlong. Hachi just escaped because he still had a dream of his own, just like the Misters and Misses of Baroque Works.
You're saying that Croc killed pirates for the WG and that inmates at ID may have a grudge against a "traitor" like him but do you seriously think that before he became a shishibukai he didn't kill the pirates standing on his way?
Also, where did you saw that arlong got apprehended?
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@Zik:
ID could be on some super max prisoners constantly in lock down, no interaction with anyone sorta shit that you see in those movies that are set in the future where da prison is run by soulless bastards
Thats pretty much what i expect Impel Down to be like, Prisoners stay in their seastone cells at all time, only interact with the guards. Its not like you let people like Croc out in an exercise yard. But yeah we'll see.
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so anyways, I think that croc would be useless against ace and that is because if ace were free and croc tried to sto him, ace could easily melt him in to glass. :P
Also. Croc doesn't want to leave. :P
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For what kind of reason would crocodile go against ace ?
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@Zik:
Half right, Urouge's beard is not red. A lot of characters have beards but none red except for some filler.
Actually the real life pirate Uruj was known as Redbeard.
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Actually the real life pirate Uruj was known as Redbeard.
I'm talking about this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aruj
Also if Urouge's beard isn't red he's worthless and I wouldn't say he was based off of him yet.I guess Aruj and Uruj could be interchangeable. Although his other name is Oruc Reis
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Also. Croc doesn't want to leave. :P
It was never said that he didn't want to leave. He said he doesn't feel like it. If someone asks you if you want to go to the movies with them and you say you don't feel like it, that doesn't mean you'll never go to the movies again. It just means that at that moment, you don't feel like going to the movies for whatever reasons. It could be to relax, watch a show or whatever.
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For what kind of reason would crocodile go against ace ?
An epic battle for supremacy of the prison cafeteria.
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All for Crocs crew and Arlong Crew escaping or getting temporarily let go from Impel down.
Seeing as how even Crocodile wasn't sent to Impel Down (though could be due to a trial) till he tried to escape, Arlong probably isn't of the caliber of someone jailed there.
If Hancock ends up being stripped of her title. I can see there being a small possiblity that they'd allow Crocodile to fight. But maybe a lighter sentence or something along those lines as opposed to letting him become a Shichibukai again (then again they were desperate to fill in the hole before)
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@Zik:
And I am saying there could be prisoners just as big if not bigger than Croc in ID. It's not even much of a reach.
Oda could easily throw in a Davy Jones epic like character that fought with the PK and lost blah blah blah and ended up in ID.
We don't know anything about ID.
True, but Oda's never really been the type to reuse his old main villains just to be fodder to show off the greatness of some new villain.
I'm not speaking from a speculative canon standpoint, here, but purely in terms of writing and storyline. Crocodile is designed to be a mastermind. A guy in charge. If he's going to be shown again in ID, it's most likely going to be either by himself, with his old agents, or he's going to be running things in some way.
It's just out of character for him (or for Oda's writing) to have him be the one bullied around by anybody.
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When Oda shows former villains again theyve usualy reformed or changed their ways tho.
Seeing as how even Crocodile wasn't sent to Impel Down (though could be due to a trial) till he tried to escape, Arlong probably isn't of the caliber of someone jailed there.
Think Croc was heading there all along, They just had him in a holding cell til they could arrange a transport. And if people like Mr.1-3 get sent there then id say Arlong definitly would qualify.
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Not really. Many times, yes, but not always, Enel still went around zapping crap to hell on the moon, and eventually became god there, too. Those villains that did were more minor, anyway. Major saga villains like Crocodile don't shake off villainy, typically…
It'll be interesting to see where Oda takes it, though, but we won't find out for a long, long, long time.
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True, but Oda's never really been the type to reuse his old main villains just to be fodder to show off the greatness of some new villain.
I'm not speaking from a speculative canon standpoint, here, but purely in terms of writing and storyline. Crocodile is designed to be a mastermind. A guy in charge. If he's going to be shown again in ID, it's most likely going to be either by himself, with his old agents, or he's going to be running things in some way.
It's just out of character for him (or for Oda's writing) to have him be the one bullied around by anybody.
I never said he'd be fodder or bullied around by others.
However, Oda has made Buggy and Alvida nothing but canon fodder and mini plot devices. Outside of that he hasn't brought back any past villains.
I know how Croc's character is one that he should be in charge but I could easily see Oda using that to showcase a new character on par with him. Again all I am saying is I doubt Croc is the strongest person in ID. The place just wouldn't seem that big and bad of a prison, we've got 20+ years of piracy going on in the OP world and Croc comes in running the whole joint? He'd get his respect and would be feared but he'd still be a new guy compared to a big name pirate who has been in there longer(like years).
Speaking of Enel, the reason he hasn't changed is cuz he most likely won't be coming back. He was a megalomaniac with a serious god complex that just tasted defeat, to achieve most of his dream anyway and go on to bully moon ppl. If he came back it'd be Skypeia all over whenever he crossed paths with Luffy unless he happened to get a strong crew to follow him(unlikely unless Oda did something like a cast of past enemies which is just as unlikely).
On a side note about seeing old villains again, I'd like to see Kuro. The 2nd smartest person in East blue should atleast get another cameo at the least(anime doesn't count much since it wasn't canon).
And I'm still awaiting Gin's return.
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@Zik:
Outside of that he hasn't brought back any past villains.
What about Hatchan? Our beloved whacky octopus. Hes back and hes definitly redeemed himself. And Wapol while he might or might not have learned a lesson he was atleast humbled when we saw him again. And Jango is a marine nowdays. Gedatsu is running some kind of spa rather than juding people. And id say the CP9 are on the path to redemtion. Oda brings back loads of old villains.
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What about Hatchan? Our beloved whacky octopus. Hes back and hes definitly redeemed himself. And Wapol while he might or might not have learned a lesson he was atleast humbled when we saw him again. And Jango is a marine nowdays. Gedatsu is running some kind of spa rather than juding people. And id say the CP9 are on the path to redemtion. Oda brings back loads of old villains.
Hatchan is a loser and everybody else you mentioned was NOT brought back in to the current story line which is what I was talking about and I think everybody else is. Those cover stories won't amount to much with those villains cuz it's unlikely the SHs will go back there any time soon.
Again I'm talking about the current story line not events in the cover story. Ofcourse he brings back old villains in cover stories, there's no way I could've missed that for over 500 chaps….........
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@Zik:
Hatchan is a loser and everybody else you mentioned was NOT brought back in to the current story line
Jango and Fullbody were brought back into the main story, they were with Hina and tried to catch the strawhats during the alabasta arc remember? And personaly i belive that their leveling up with Hina and the possiblity of Hina joining crews with Smokers is something that might affect the future storyline. And what precisly makes Hatchan a loser?
But all in all there was no deeper point to it other than pointing out that your claim that no villains other than Buggy and Alvida ever was brought back wasnt really true.
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Jango and Fullbody were brought back into the main story, they were with Hina and tried to catch the strawhats during the alabasta arc remember? And personaly i belive that their leveling up with Hina and the possiblity of Hina joining crews with Smokers is something that might affect the future storyline. And what precisly makes Hatchan a loser?
But all in all there was no deeper point to it other than pointing out that your claim that no villains other than Buggy and Alvida ever was brought back wasnt really true.
I'm focused on main villains that were worth mentioning and you're giving me Fullbody and Jango, smh.
You're just naming more losers. Jango, Fullbody, and Hatchan are all canon fodder now. Also when did Jango and Fullbody level up? if anything they're Hina's bitches…...
I don't see those characters making a significant affect on the storyline when it comes to villains returning in to the main storyline.
How are they losers? LOL they're weak, lame, and at the most comedic relief and they're not even good at that. I'd prefer Buggy over all those lames.............
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You really do have exceptionaly poor taste yknow that. But it doesnt matter the slightest what you think of them, They proved your point wrong. So no need to be childish about it.
Fullbody is now double ironfist, So yeah thats an improvment. And in helping make Hinas crew and possibly Smokers crew stronger they may very well have an impact on the story down the line. And if you dont think Hatchan, Their guide and only friendly link to the fishmen isnt going to play a big part in their journey to Fishman island then id say get ready to be proven wrong mate.
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You really do have exceptionaly poor taste yknow that. But it doesnt matter the slightest what you think of them, They proved your point wrong. So no need to be childish about it.
Fullbody is now double ironfist, So yeah thats an improvment. And in helping make Hinas crew and possibly Smokers crew stronger they may very well have an impact on the story down the line. And if you dont think Hatchan, Their guide and only friendly link to the fishmen isnt going to play a big part in their journey to Fishman island then id say get ready to be proven wrong mate.
No they didn't. They are all lame excuses for villains. Furthermore, Oda hasn't brought back past villains in the story line other than the ones I mentioned. None of the villains have returned in the story line that have made a difference and the ones that have are all canon-fodder.
Oh exceptionally poor taste in what? I know when I see a shitty bad guy, that you're trying to pass off as a villain lol. They've all been brought back to either be canon-fodder or mini plot devices.
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Like i said, your opinion of the characters themselves doesnt matter, They were villains, you said no other villains have been brought back, i present a number of former villains who are back in the story. And then you dictate that thay arent villains and say the word loser lol like it would change anything. They were brought back into the main story, the point you tried to make is disproven period.
And your view of significance to the plot seems to be alot more narrow than mine, The way i see it characters can contribute alot to the plot without being hulking powerhouses that beat people up.
And i just thought of another villain thats been brought back that will probably piss you of even more, Helmeppo.
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Like i said, your opinion of the characters themselves doesnt matter, They were villains, you said no other villains have been brought back, i present a number of former villains who are back in the story. And then you dictate that thay arent villains and say the word loser lol like it would change anything. They were brought back into the main story, the point you tried to make is disproven period.
And your view of significance to the plot seems to be alot more narrow than mine, The way i see it characters can contribute alot to the plot without being hulking powerhouses that beat people up.
And i just thought of another villain thats been brought back that will probably piss you of even more, Helmeppo.
What has Jango, Fullbody or Helmeppo done for the plot in their returns?
I never said anything about villains returning and beating ppl up or coming back and they have to fight.
I'm done with this discussion lol, every person you've mentioned is canon fodder and it's disappointing, you seem to be oblivious as to what I was originally talking about. Nothing you've said initially or in rebuttal pertains to it. One point I'm not talking about lame ppl we've seen in the past that come back to showcase their lameness. I am talking bout the high caliber real villains, also if you look the word up most of the ppl you've mentioned do not apply. You really think Fullbody is a villain? I digress
Good day sir…...........
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Refering to characters as not being worthy or as you put it lol cannon fodder seems to indicate that to you a character can only be as good as his fighting ability.
And your exact phrasing was "However, Oda has made Buggy and Alvida nothing but canon fodder and mini plot devices. Outside of that he hasn't brought back any past villains." and thats what i responded to and disproved, if you phrase yourself poorly and dont get your point across thats not my problem.
And Helmeppo and Coby are evolving rapidly under Garp from total weiners to able fighters, and im sure they will have an impact on the plot, Hell i might even go so far as to say that Coby and him may be the ones who brings Luffy in at the end. And Jango and Fullbody will probably be there with Hina in their future showdown, providing expostion, Fighting power and laughs to the general story as much as they have done so far.
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Refering to characters as not being worthy or as you put it lol cannon fodder seems to indicate that to you a character can only be as good as his fighting ability.
Canon fodder isn't just for fighting, it can be worthless characters like Fullbody and now Jango who aren't just that I should add they also provide comedic relief(for those who find them funny).
And Helmeppo and Coby are evolving rapidly under Garp from total weiners to able fighters, and im sure they will have an impact on the plot
I'm talking about now not in the future.
And your exact phrasing was "However, Oda has made Buggy and Alvida nothing but canon fodder and mini plot devices. Outside of that he hasn't brought back any past villains." and thats what i responded to and disproved, if you phrase yourself poorly and dont get your point across thats not my problem.
Is that not true? who has Oda brought back that isn't canon fodder or a mini plot device? If they weren't to you I don't know what to say
LOL
Maybe I should've stressed the part that the villains that come back should not be canon fodder or obvious plot devices. But if you think Fullbody or Jango are gonna play major roles in the plot down the line fine lol.
As for Helmeppo I'll take him seriously when he can actually put up a fight. Getting floored by a Zoro not at 100% isn't promising.
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@Zik:
I'm talking about now not in the future.
Is that not true? who has Oda brought back that isn't canon fodder or a mini plot device? If they weren't to you I don't know what to say
LOL
At the moment theyve set themselves up as future threats down the road, by showing how fast theyve grown. the rest is down the line.
As i read it it says that Buggy and Alivda have been made into cannonfodder and mini-plot devices(which i disagree with), and that apart from them no other villains were brought back. Not that all the villains who are being brought back are those things (which i also disgree on).
And id appreciate it if you could lay of the condescending lols.
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At the moment theyve set themselves up as future threats down the road, by showing how fast theyve grown. the rest is down the line.
As i read it it says that Buggy and Alivda have been made into cannonfodder and mini-plot devices(which i disagree with), and that apart from them no other villains were brought back. Not that all the villains who are being brought back are those things (which i also disgree on).
And id appreciate it if you could lay of the condescending lols.
LOL when I type that I literally am laughing out loud, do you prefer lulz or lawls or possibly lmfao?
I'm sorry I don't see it as future threats but future failures, they'll come to side track the story usually after an arc at the start of a mini arc just so after they're done with the SHs go on to something more interesting.
When you say future threats you're talking about Buggy and Alvida right? or are you including Jango and Fullbody? if so smh
Its okay if you disagree with what Buggy and Alvida were at Loguetown. Seemed like fodder the way they failed, nothing new or interesting about them other than Alvida's DF. They were a mini plot device for a mini arc. Seems they just were catalysts for Dragon if he did had something to do with the lighting.
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@Zik:
I know how Croc's character is one that he should be in charge but I could easily see Oda using that to showcase a new character on par with him. Again all I am saying is I doubt Croc is the strongest person in ID. The place just wouldn't seem that big and bad of a prison, we've got 20+ years of piracy going on in the OP world and Croc comes in running the whole joint? He'd get his respect and would be feared but he'd still be a new guy compared to a big name pirate who has been in there longer(like years).
I disagree. It just doesn't seem like Oda's style, for a variety of reasons. And even if a pirate were in ID for awhile, that wouldn't make them stronger than Crocodile.
Honestly, when we the viewer do "check in on" Impel Down, the Baroque Works crew will probably have been there for a while, and we'll see what's become of the place, and them, since their arrival.
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@Zik:
If he came back it'd be Skypeia all over whenever he crossed paths with Luffy.
Enel would just have to use a sword to defeat Luffy.
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I disagree. It just doesn't seem like Oda's style, for a variety of reasons. And even if a pirate were in ID for awhile, that wouldn't make them stronger than Crocodile.
Honestly, when we the viewer do "check in on" Impel Down, the Baroque Works crew will probably have been there for a while, and we'll see what's become of the place, and them, since their arrival.
You clearly do not understand what I am saying. I didn't say cuz they are in ID longer that they will be stronger than Croc. I'm saying they would be stronger than him period before ID. Sorta like if Shanks got captured and was sent to ID. He'd be one of the strongest if not the strongest. I'm saying there could be other strong ppl in there just as strong as Croc and possibly stronger.
Anyway as for what would Oda do I won't even get in to what you think his style or approach would be in doing that. You already are looking at it from a perspective that there are no prisoners stronger than Croc in there.
My whole point is none of us know who is in there so as it goes for hoping for the best in regards to Croc you still can't assume he'd just be running shit. In real prisons that's not how it goes especially for the fresh fish that just got in to the prison. Even for mafia bosses they don't go in there running the place, they have guys in there who already started their own faction. their are always opposing forces. Whenever we see them again Croc would be working up a hill to hold his own with a gang of guys there if the prison is run in that fashion.
Enel would just have to use a sword to defeat Luffy.
I just said that cuz in the end we know he's not gonna actually kill Luffy. Enel being one of my fav villains in the story thus far, up there with Croc I'd also hope that there are vast improvements for him. If he's planning on going to the blue sea knowing he might encounter Luffy again I'm sure his focus would be on getting stronger and defeating him since he sees himself as God and well God can't go losing to some rubberman pirate. The anger of falling to him if he plans on coming back you'd think he'd be replayiong his defeat over and over in his head until he came up with a solution.
There's a bunch of other ways Enel could've devastated Luffy's life while he was at Skypeia(one being kill everyone except Luffy and then leave).
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@Zik:
You clearly do not understand what I am saying. I didn't say cuz they are in ID longer that they will be stronger than Croc. I'm saying they would be stronger than him period before ID. Sorta like if Shanks got captured and was sent to ID. He'd be one of the strongest if not the strongest. I'm saying there could be other strong ppl in there just as strong as Croc and possibly stronger.
Anyway as for what would Oda do I won't even get in to what you think his style or approach would be in doing that. You already are looking at it from a perspective that there are no prisoners stronger than Croc in there.
My whole point is none of us know who is in there so as it goes for hoping for the best in regards to Croc you still can't assume he'd just be running shit. In real prisons that's not how it goes especially for the fresh fish that just got in to the prison. Even for mafia bosses they don't go in there running the place, they have guys in there who already started their own faction. their are always opposing forces. Whenever we see them again Croc would be working up a hill to hold his own with a gang of guys there if the prison is run in that fashion.
This isn't Oz. It's a shonen fantasy manga, and we're discussing an evil mastermind character who has elements of a stereotypical mob boss from the movies, who was part of one of the series' top-level groups. Characters change, sure, but not someone who's traits are so ingrained in his character like that. Just look at Enel. In the end, he still became a god. The CP9 are still enforcing justice, regardless of the changes to their situation, the list goes on.
Crocodile's a "big boss" type. When we see him again, he'll still be the big boss.
It's most likely that he'll be top dog in some fashion in there. In all likelihood, his eventual breakout will be the result of some huge plan with several of ID's worst people working for him during it.
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This isn't Oz. It's a shonen fantasy manga, and we're discussing an evil mastermind character who has elements of a stereotypical mob boss from the movies, who was part of one of the series' top-level groups. Characters change, sure, but not someone who's traits are so ingrained in his character like that. Just look at Enel. In the end, he still became a god. The CP9 are still enforcing justice, regardless of the changes to their situation, the list goes on.
Crocodile's a "big boss" type. When we see him again, he'll still be the big boss.
It's most likely that he'll be top dog in some fashion in there. In all likelihood, his eventual breakout will be the result of some huge plan with several of ID's worst people working for him during it.
LOL again what I am talking about is not Croc's character. But like I said you already have it in mind that Croc has to be the biggest baddest guy in there based off of his character as if there couldn't be someone bigger and badder.
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Except that characterization and writing trumps in-canon guessing, because it creates the canon.
This not DBZ, where previous main villains are trounced to prop up someone else. Hell, it would only serve to demean the struggle against them, which is one reason why i feel Oda doesn't/won't do that. And before you bring up Buggy and such, let me clarify that I'm referring to the GRAND LINE villains.
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Except that characterization and writing trumps in-canon guessing, because it creates the canon.
This not DBZ, where previous main villains are trounced to prop up someone else. Hell, it would only serve to demean the struggle against them, which is one reason why i feel Oda doesn't/won't do that. And before you bring up Buggy and such, let me clarify that I'm referring to the GRAND LINE villains.
You have to stop saying that. This isn't about a past arc villain getting owned just cause he lost, this is about Crocodile in the grand scheme of things. He was a shichibukai,but there are things bigger than him. For example, an underwater prison full of seastone. It's like superman in a kryptonite house.
I doubt that Crocodile is escaping Impel Down. If this prison has been true to it's characterization then it should be impossible to escape, even DF user should have a seastone cuff and be in a seastone cage. This should be the same for every convict in there. It did manage to hold two logia users without escape, in addition to many more prisoners.
I can actually see Crocodile becoming one of those "ironically rich prisoners" though.
And is Crocodile a mastermind type? He had quite a plan at Alabasta, but he's missing a lot of the resources he had with Baroque works. For one, the disguise as a shichibukai. In Impel Down he'll be treated as a high priority criminal.
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You have to stop saying that. This isn't about a past arc villain getting owned just cause he lost, this is about Crocodile in the grand scheme of things. He was a shichibukai,but there are things bigger than him. For example, an underwater prison full of seastone. It's like superman in a kryptonite house.
First of all, we don't know that ID is made of Seastone. At least, I'm pretty damn sure it was never said.
Second of all, obviously, if he comes back into the main story, then yes, he factors into the grand scheme of things. Why else would he return? He's certainly not popular enough to merit fanservice.
I doubt that Crocodile is escaping Impel Down. If this prison has been true to it's characterization then it should be impossible to escape, even DF user should have a seastone cuff and be in a seastone cage. This should be the same for every convict in there. It did manage to hold two logia users without escape, in addition to many more prisoners.
You seem to hold things in impossibly high regard based on how they're hyped. Impel Down may be this super-prison, but even Alcatraz was escaped from, to use a real-life analogy.
if the great and invincible Shichibukai could have two of its members defeated, then it's safe to assume someone can, and perhaps will, escape Impel Down. And it will probably be a huge deal, to boot.
And is Crocodile a mastermind type? He had quite a plan at Alabasta, but he's missing a lot of the resources he had with Baroque works. For one, the disguise as a shichibukai. In Impel Down he'll be treated as a high priority criminal.
For someone missing alot of his resources, he seems pretty confident last time we saw him. It's not farfetched to assume he has a backup plan. Hell, he's known for having tons of backup plans.