Chapter 517 "Bathing" Discussion

Zik

Come now, taking their decade-long top-runner flagship series and putting on a 10-week shift. Surely they're not going to think, "ToLoveRu really needs better promotion!" ^o^

You're right but just cuz OP is their best seller doesn't mean it would be the only reason that they see a drop in sales. Sales in JUMP could've went down when they forced Double Arts to finish, they could've noticed that sales went down considerably when HXH went on all those hiatuses. I doubt they would automatically assume that their decline in sales is solely dependent on OP. I mean they already see online manga sites that upload their manga as a deterrent anyway.

skarlath

@Greg:

Okay then, with that you've lost all credibility and any debate that was possible as well as proving you must resort to insults to attempt at making a point instead of dealing with issues. Have a good evening.

or you ran away from me questioning your crazy shit ideas

@Greg:

'companies'

The so-called companies

@Greg:

'companies'

The so-called companies

@Greg:

'companies'

The so-called companies

! @Greg:
! > 'companies'

The so-called companies

Greg

Sales in JUMP could've went down when they forced Double Arts to finish, they could've noticed that sales went down considerably when HXH went on all those hiatuses. I doubt they would automatically assume that their decline in sales is solely dependent on OP.

While in theory this might apply, we need to keep in mind that series are constantly coming and going in JUMP. This is something I didn't realize until I actually started buying it weekly years back.

When a new series started (the name of which I've even forgotten) I was so excited thinking I was on the verge of some new great new series. The thing went, MAYBE 20 chapters before being canned. If you follow what series have come and gone just in the past 2 years, you'd be shocked. In a long round-about way, I'm saying that those drops are natural. They don't hurt the serialization and they're not only expected, they're depended onto make room for more.

Now, you brought up the HxH breaks. I think it was a bragging point of the series that JUMP sales went up when it was around correct? I have no source for this, but granted from reactions I see EVERY day in the classroom and in the work place, the excitement surrounding the series is there and tension is definitely up when HxH is around.

In short, if sales drop, and stay stagnant they're going to know what was responsible. Will they know exactly how? No, and that's why I agree with Meh. Letter-writing and fan-supported movements are awesome. I totally support them. But in the midst of that, I'd never financially reward them for taking away a product I enjoyed.

CodedTech

@Zik:

You're right but just cuz OP is their best seller doesn't mean it would be the only reason that they see a drop in sales. Sales in JUMP could've went down when they forced Double Arts to finish, they could've noticed that sales went down considerably when HXH went on all those hiatuses. I doubt they would automatically assume that their decline in sales is solely dependent on OP.

I don't think a manga like Double Arts (which was cancelled due to lack of popularity like nearly half of the mangas that begin serialization in WSJ) would be seen as the reason for declining sales. No other major series seem to be ending soon with the exception of Eyeshield 21 maybe, conversely there's probably other series of increasing popularity like Toriko. I'd imagine Shuishea would simply look at what's popular and what's not. If One Piece's sales (it probably won't) declined along with WSJ's circulation, it'd be reasonable to see why the readership of that dropped.

MrTeach

greg vs japan

who will win

Greg

greg vs japan

who will win

New Zealand .

*Meh*

@Greg:

Come now, taking their decade-long top-runner flagship series and putting on a 10-week shift. If numbers go south surely they're not going to think, "ToLoveRu really needs better promotion!" ^o^

It really depends on who is in charge of the Sales Dept., and just how stupid they are. If they're half as stupid as the guy in Marketing that made the decision to put OP on a ten-week system, such a scenario is not impossible; just substitute Bleach or Naruto for ToLoveRu. Can there really be anyone that stupid? Unfortunately, yes.

skarlath

@Greg:

In short, if sales drop, and stay stagnant they're going to know what was responsible. Will they know exactly how?

YES. YES THEY WILL

there are entire departments at companies dedicated to that kind of thing

Greg

It really depends on who is in charge of the Sales Dept., and just how stupid they are. If they're half as stupid as the guy in Marketing that made the decision to put OP on a ten-week system, such a scenario is not impossible; just substitute Bleach or Naruto for ToLoveRu. Can there really be anyone that stupid? Unfortunately, yes.

Haha! Yes, I definitely agree with that ^_~

Zik

Now, you brought up the HxH breaks. I think it was a bragging point of the series that JUMP sales went up when it was around correct? I have no source for this, but granted from reactions I see EVERY day in the classroom and in the work place, the excitement surrounding the series is there and tension is definitely up when HxH is around.

No just that sales went down when it wasn't around. When HXH was regularly in JUMP for like I dunno the first 100 chaps despite the other manga coming and going I'm sure they were use to a certain amount of income. When Togashi went on his first extended break I'm sure they saw a drop cuz HXH has quite a following. Something I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the opposite in the recent issue when it came back last week.

I don't think a manga like Double Arts (which was cancelled due to lack of popularity like nearly half of the mangas that begin serialization in WSJ) would be seen as the reason for declining sales. No other major series seem to be ending soon with the exception of Eyeshield 21 maybe, conversely there's probably other series of increasing popularity like Toriko. I'd imagine Shuishea would simply look at what's popular and what's not. If One Piece's sales (it probably won't) declined along with WSJ's circulation, it'd be reasonable to see why the readership of that dropped.

I was just using DA as an example I know it was canceled due to a lack of popularity(but I doubt I could come up with a manga that was popular but still canceled by JUMP and not because of the mangaka having some problem or something like that). I do get your point tho and I guess we shall see.

If this 10 week rotation lasts more than 2 years it'll be hard for OP fans, not me I'm with it to the end lol(it won't be for HXH fans since they're use to it lol).

Greg

No just that sales went down. When HXH was regularky in JUMP for like I dunno the first 100 chaps despite the other manga coming and goign I 'm sure they were use to a certain amount of income. When Togashi went on his first extended break I'm sure they saw a drop cuz HXH has quite a following. Something I wouldn't be surprised they saw in the recent issue when it came back last week.

Now this is interesting, where did you hear this? Because I've always heard rumblings that whenever HxH came back (ie. Togashi sat his ass down) JUMP was popular. Were these just dirty rumors?

Zik

@Greg:

Now this is interesting, where did you hear this? Because I've always heard rumblings that whenever HxH came back (ie. Togashi sat his ass down) JUMP was popular. Were these just dirty rumors?

Sorry after re-reading my post I corrected it. I meant to say I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the opposite in sales when it came back(meaning they would see a rise in sales). Typed it pretty fast so while the thought wasn't finished….

Basically when HXH was in they're way in the black and when it's out they're closer to the red. It wouldn't be so much as them noticing a raise in sales but just the sales going back to what they use to be, it applies since Togashi has been on so many hiatuses(I think 4 now? some being extremely long).

chpollastrini

I can only hope Oda doesn't change the story cause of this…I want to read OP the way he wants to write... OP being his only manga means he should have freedom to do whatever he wants...
He sure has proven he puts the story above everything, pace included...but we never know when he has a lot less time to show his work..(don't know if he wants to keep writing 20 years more)

Greg

Sorry after re-reading my post I corrected it. I meant to say I wouldn't be surprised if they saw the opposite in sales when it came back(meaning they would see a rise in sales). Typed it pretty fast so….

What Shueisha is counting on (if true) is for a continually popular product that they only have to commission half as much work for.

OP is crazy popular.

HxH is kuhrazy popular.

If they break it up like that, they will constantly have something to carry the magazine BUT they'll only be commissioning half as much work from each author per year.

In that way they can ensure robust but not necessarily increased sales, prolong the series for as long as possible to 'ensure' stability in the future and basically come out smelling like flowers. Which is really a bastard thing of them to do, hence my decision should it come to pass.

Zik

@chpollastrini:

I can only hope Oda doesn't change the story cause of this…I want to read OP the way he wants to write... OP being his only manga means he should have freedom to do whatever he wants...
He sure has proven he puts the story above everything, pace included...but we never know when he has a lot less time to show his work..(don't know if he wants to keep writing 20 years more)

Actually I'd think this would give him more time to get things in order and maybe even finish chaps in advance like way ahead of time. 10 weeks of research and planning for future arcs seems like something Oda would do since he does put the story above everything.

Even though Oda could use a break, I don't see him slacking off until a week prior to when his 10 week stint would start. If he thinks things out he'd keep working as if he is still releasing weekly.

What Shueisha is counting on (if true) is for a continually popular product that they only have to commission half as much work for.

OP is crazy popular.

HxH is kuhrazy popular.

If they break it up like that, they will constantly have something to carry the magazine BUT they'll only be commissioning half as much work from each author per year.

In that way they can ensure robust but not necessarily increased sales, prolong the series for as long as possible to 'ensure' stability in the future and basically come out smelling like flowers. Which is really a bastard thing of them to do, hence my decision should it come to pass.

Basically what I was trying to say, they're looking for stability. I'd bet this was more of a deal with Togashi than Oda since they don't know when he is gonna hand in chaps, they want the sales to go back to how it was when he was releasing weekly but can't count on him to be a weekly mangaka so they take another manga that is just as popular and interchange the two(the reason they do this is cuz they can't count on a Bleach or a Naruto to pull in as much and popular manga like those 2 are going to end way before OP. OP was a sure thing cuz Oda probably let them know he's gonna be there for atleast another 5-7 years).

In my eyes that's more of a risk than putting both in the issue at the same time and losing HXH sales after 10 weeks

Greg

I agree that 10 weeks can only mean good news for fans as it will give Oda time to tell a more concise and concentrated story. This is nice in that it basically puts a bow on a birthday present I already love, but the problem is in whether it would force him to increase the pace. I personally like when he meanders around the story. It means just one more week of OP for me to enjoy. And while I realize that might not be for everyone, that facet of the series may be pounded out.

nintouryu

How bout this : The thing that luffy saw on hancock's back is a whitebeard tatoo, cuz luffy had seen it before on ace's back, and that explains why hancock don't wanna fight white beard because she's once a white beard pirate herself.

and someone has already posted this theory, so i think i'm a bit late, but i'm betting it's a whitebeard tatto, but than again oda is full of surprise, heck …. it could be a pandaman tatto or maybe a tatoo that says i'm a bitch, a kind of tatoo you would get when you're really really drunk

fxjoey0

148 ： ◆EizHb38XPU ：2008/10/06(月) 02:26:46 ID:ag5ulHPJO

WSJ #46 (Ch. 518)

尾田先生からメッセージ有り＜巻末

There'll be an end of chapter message from Oda.

WSJ #47

休OP

Absent: One Piece

322 ： ◆EizHb38XPU ：2008/10/06(月) 03:43:40 ID:ag5ulHPJO

尾田「冨樫先生が連載してる間は休載することにしました。これからは１０週交代制です」

Oda [While Togashi's back it's been decided that the series will be taken out of the publication. It'll be shifted to a 10 week cycle instead]

@Battle:

Oh man this sucks.

Wow, this is bad news. At least, we will see Chapter 518. Also, instead of the 10 weeks idea, I think what should have been done was 1 week of One Piece, then 1 week of Hunter x Hunter, and so on. By the way, thanks for the info!

nintouryu

oh.. and those story about the gorgon sister killed the monster and then the monster gave them a curse. I think it's a total lie, so that no one dares to take a peek at her.

Gecko Moria

So basically, one OP chapter will come out every ten weeks? Or will it be ten week OP - ten week break - ten week OP?

fxjoey0

@Gecko:

So basically, one OP chapter will come out every ten weeks? Or will it be ten week OP - ten week break - ten week OP?

It will be 10 weeks of One Piece, 10 weeks break, 10 weeks of One Piece, and so on.

MEAT77

can someone explain to me what the fuck is that "no one piece for 10 fucking weeks" all about? just came from work fucked up badly so i don't know what the hell is happening while Im working. This is bad, OP is my addiction right now, OP is like a cigarette to me right now. I don't even go out with my girlfriend because of OP, DAMN!! dis week is a nightmare the cubs were eliminated from the playoffs, and then no OP for 10 freaking weeks. So if this true, then are we going to have more than 10 chapters after 10 weeks at once???

so we are going to know first who will be the next president of usa than knowing what's on hancock's back?? damn!! the timing is still good for me though, just imagine when this happen when we are already on whitebeard vs shichibukai and marines.

Zik

@Gecko:

So basically, one OP chapter will come out every ten weeks? Or will it be ten week OP - ten week break - ten week OP?

10 weeks of OP and then 10 weeks no OP man. Geez what kind of desolate post apocalyptic future would there be if an OP chap only came out once every 10 weeks!

Gecko Moria

@fxjoey0:

It will be 10 weeks of One Piece, 10 weeks break, 10 weeks of One Piece, and so on.

Awww, hope that's temporary. At least it's not five chaps a year and we get to see 518. Still not sure if/hoping this is not true (my unbiased side is telling me it is is, but I'm just trying to be optimistic). Because I haven't heard of this on any other place but here.

@Zik:

10 weeks of OP and then 10 weeks no OP man. Geez what kind of desolate post apocalyptic future would there be if an OP chap only came out once every 10 weeks!

Suicide rate quadruples in Japan…

fxjoey0

@Gecko:

Awww, hope that's temporary. At least it's not five chaps a year and we get to see 518.

Actually, we will still see chapter 518 this week.

Gecko Moria

@fxjoey0:

Actually we will still see chapter 518 this week.

Yeah, that's what I meant, I guess I didn't word it that clearly. So… shouldn't this have it's own thread?

Battle Franky

Oh my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

fxjoey0

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Gecko Moria

@Battle:

Oh, my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

sighs relief

You know, if you do this every time, people won't complain about a one week break

MEAT77

if the 10 week cycle is true then after 2 or 3 weeks, arlong park is gonna be a dead town. But battle franky you give us some hope.

Gecko Moria

@MEAT77:

after 2 or 3 weeks, arlong park is gonna be a dead town.

Look up a few posts… OP is just taking a one week break after 518 it seems.

Lok

@Battle:

Oh my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

I have nothing to say but laugh a great deal. You win good sir.

mintoisgod

@Battle:

Oh my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

So..that means…IT WAS FAKE,ALRIGHT!!!! LETS PARTY!!!!!!

Gecko Moria

@Lok:

I have nothing to say but laugh a great deal. You win good sir.

Ha, couldn't resist

Back on topic… I agree with the popular speculation that Hancock's mark somehow connects to Whitebeard, but I don't get why they would make up the story about the other two sisters having the eyes too if they couldn't petrify since if it's fake Hancock obviously ate a fruit.

Zik

@Battle:

Oh, my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

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And another damn. I've been hoodwinked, bamboozled, and led astray.

Damn BF, just damn. I wasn't coping with this well at all. Good to know it was just a mistake and those bastards were combining 2 different things on 2chan that was confusing.

Captain Brooke

@Battle:

Oh my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

THANK THE SWEET LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greg

I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

Don't feel clumsy at all. The Japanese posters were flipping shits as well and thought that's what it meant so evidently an easy mistake. I saw some posts that reminded me of comments directed at Hideaki after Eva's abrupt 'end'. o_0

Anyway, thank you for investigating BF! AWESOME news and it made for QUITE the morning ^O^

MEAT77

@Battle:

Oh my stars! Don't I feel quite silly.

After further investigation, the '10 week cycle' reference was made by someone else completely as a snide remark poking fun at Togashi's often on and off scheduling of Hunter, but dressed it up as to imitate a very trusted source (as if he were making the comment) and indicated Oda would take the series in a similiar direction. I clumsy mistook that as the trusted source relaying Oda's upcoming message.

What I can say for sure, Oda will have some sort of message at the end of this week's chapter, and then the series will be off the following week. Which has led to 'unfounded' speculation that Oda might be taking a longer than usual break.

Nothing of the nature of this message is known, and the break appears to be totally routine.

Sorry for this huge misunderstanding. Hope I didn't put anyone in an early grave. ORZ

Thank god!!!! I was like a seconds away from killing myself then you save me.

*Meh*

…And so, Battle Franky restored Meh's misplaced trust in Humanity and saved the Universe! Until Next Time, Make Mine ODA!

Zik

So now that you guys have put the safety back on your firearms what could be Oda's upcoming message? I don't think the message would just be I'm taking a break next week and that's that.

After the 10 week scare I'd rather get my mind pondering something else, more positive.

Dark_Kaomi

heart starts beating again Don't do that. It's too early for Halloween…

Gecko Moria

@Zik:

So now that you guys have put the safety back on your firearms what could be Oda's upcoming message? I don't think the message would just be I'm taking a break next week and that's that.

Oh, who knows at this rate? It's Oda.

Greg

Well, we know Movie 10 is being handled by him.

We saw Roger's right hand man pop up.

We saw the crew meet total defeat and split up.

We met the last of the unknown Shichibukai.

We learned what Oda intends to do with the story for the next few years.

I think one or two of these are excellent candidates for his big surprise. But writing a message in Jump? As in outside the author's page?? Hmmm…

If he takes a long break there must be a good reason. Like a mini-Oda in the oven. An extended break? That I could deal with. But I wonder if it's just that simple.

fxjoey0

Wow, I am happy that the 10 weeks thing is false. I wonder what will be Oda's message next chapter?

Vanessa

Battle Franky you should have waited awhile. Then nonchalantly posted information on the next chapter since this was too hilarious for just a day.

Good show all of you who freaked out, made me laugh.

tarrin4ever

Wow…. that was nuts!

A shame, I was all set to coat hanger Togashi.

ugh, 15 minutes of windows paint for nothing

Zik

We learned what Oda intends to do with the story for the next few years.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here maybe a typo or you left out a word. Are you trying to say Oda announced he'd be finishing OP in the next few years or it is guaranteed for the next few years?

I'm gonna guess Oda is gonna announce another crossover one-shot like he did with DBZ and Cross-Epoch. This will be a disturbing crossover with My Balls…........

! LOL I just said that cuz it was mentioned pages back and I looked up the anime up. The crossover will be done with Trigun…......

Edit- I didn't look at the avatar above me when I decided on Trigun lol

Kami_Sama

See? This is how rumors start

Khamolen

@Greg:

Well, we know Movie 10 is being handled by him.

I thought that was an April Fools joke.

Skull Kid

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