Yea, no more flirting. Genzo stole orange instead, he's such a villan; stealing from poor people like that.
No more Bellemere hitting her children. When you steal a book your parent can't hit you to punish you.
And yea, tandrum about going to bed? I guess it could work. I still wonder why Nami was standing up, and suddenly sitting on the ground.
OFFICIAL 4Kids Dub Discussion
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I knew the slap would get cut. The flirting, too.
Bellemere has a sort of disappearing-reappearing accent. A sort of Texan twang.
They also editted Bellemere's shirt so it doesn't any cleavage when she gets off the boat from the storm.Best lines so far:
Genzo: 'iss no safe for you to be here!Arlong: And if you can't pay, you'll pay!
Arlong: Where there's the PU smell of smoke, there's PUman
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Bellemere: The Navy taught me how to fight creeps like you!
(With a shovel?)OMG! Arlong points a finger at Bellemere and…puts her in the dungeon?
EDIT: Whoops, I though Miss White Day would be finished posting before me...
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I didn't notice the cleavage edits, but I thought the hitting on the head when Nojiko said she would steal the book without getting caught (unlike Nami) would have been left since is pretty funny.
4Kids seems to hate silence.
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Dungeon for the rest of her life…?
LOL!
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….She's still alive?
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I'm not, in the least, surprised by the shit they pulled today. Dammit.
However, I did like Bellemere's voice.
But then again… "dungeon"?
Silly 4Kids.
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twitch twitch Dungeon!? They just ruined one of the freaking saddest and greatest moments in One Piece! Those bastards!
sits there twitching in anger
Wait, what the hell is the grave for, then?
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I guess we're supposed to believe she died from old age?
…Hunger?
...ugh :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Miss White day@May 21 2005, 10:23 AM
4Kids seems to hate silence.
I think things are going way too fast.
[snapback]52900[/snapback]They need to keep the pace up, or kids will lose interest. They also make cuts for time, since they have to fit in a zillion commercial breaks.
Why is Bellemere writhing on the ground?
Wow! They kept in Genzo getting cut up!
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Man…The edits are getting cunfusing as hell.
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Please tell me I misheard Genzo saying he'd give her Kix cereal.
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Genzo: Did they offer you sweet candy? Or cakes?
I love the band-aid across Genzo's nose.
Nojiko didn't really explain how Nami saved the village. She made it out to be trechery, really.
Sanji: I will help my friend Nami!
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Omg, return of the dreaded finger! I'm starting to think that we have psychics in the ap forum. :lol:
Ok, where did Genzo get his sword?
How come Bellemere was on the ground as if someone was stepping on her when there was clearly no one…Are we going to see Bellemere at the end of the arc? :unsure:
No Sugee Pinwheel!
BEST quote evah! :lol:
If you canâ€t pay the cash youâ€re out with the trash feel free to quote me.–Arlong (omg, I'm still laughing)
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Shahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
That was horrible, just horrible.
"I don't wanna go to bed now!"
"If you don't pay, you will pay!"
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG
DUNGEON!!!! SHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Arlong's erased, hahahahahahahha.
WORST DUB EPISODE EVER, 4KIDS IS FUCKED.
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Bellemere got sent to a dungeon. I was expecting that. I wonder what they're going to do with Nojiko getting shot next week.
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C'mon, who predicted it?
Now everything is fucked up. Is Belle still alive? She probably be at her home with Nami, saying "go with them" and "thanks for the memorial, but I'm not dead."
This is the next Ocean Group DBZ dub, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease Gen, take One Piece away from Kahn!!!!!!!!
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I wouldn't say it was the worst dub evah. I mean, I think it was pretty okay in the beginning. It kinda messed up halfway though. Really, things were going too fast. Trying to save time or not, those two episode were made to be two episode.
She was using a shovel? I didn't notice. :blink:
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They could of atleast used the super soaker, but pointing guns at people's mouth's are a no-no.
Miss White Day, c'mon, c'mon. You knew that edit was horrendous.
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Oh, Bellemere-San; why did they have to do that you?! Why, 4 Kids, why?! You fucking ruined one of the saddest parts of One Piece! I hope you're happy, you stupid, fucking, American editors! Now, I think I may never watch the dub of One Piece ever again thanks to this travesty.
It doesn't make any sense, though. They still kept Bellemere's grave. So, why add that stupid dungeon thing if they already know she's dead. Sorry for all the cussing, I'm just really dissapointed with 4 Kids' crappy change. They definetely have ruined One Piece.
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Did Nojiko eat the telaport fruit cause she keep poping in and out the the scenes :blink: :lol: :lol: :lol: ?!!!
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This episode could have been worse. Now they have a perfect example of how not to translate an anime. I mean I broke out Laughthing during one of the saddest sequences on One Piece.
The Good- They kept the flashback for when Bellemere found the kids.
Genzo getting cut.Bad- Everything else.
Man we need a betting pool on dub changes. Those who called Arlong pointing his finger and the Dungion, you've earned a cookie.* Did anyone call the shovel?
Now we know that Arlong must have a huge dunguon becase he'll threaten to throw the entire population of the island into it.
*Cookie is metaphorical. If you want one your going to have to provide it for yourself.
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Originally posted by Heritic@May 21 2005, 11:33 AM
Bellemere got sent to a dungeon. I was expecting that. I wonder what they're going to do with Nojiko getting shot next week.
[snapback]52913[/snapback]Well, the super soaker came back. So I think Nojiko will be shot by that super realistic cap/cork gun that was used in Luffy's flashback.
Dragon Warrior: Okay, they were really bad. But I'm trying to see the bright sides. I mean there's always something worst.
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Good point, they managed to turn a scene from the japanese version that practically made me cry into something where I couldn't stop laughing. It's… sickening :(
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Yeah, I fell over onto a couch, hysterically laughing my ass off, when I was shocked and stunned when watching the original.
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This is what happens when 4shame molest good anime. From one of the edits of Yu-Gi-Oh, The dreaded index finger. Did anyone predict the shovel replacing a gun edit? I'm confused now, and Nami story will never be the same again.
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If they keep this up, alot of the drama that One Piece has in the original will be lost thanks to editing to make it kid-friendly. Today's episode is definite proof that One Piece is in the wrong hands. I hope that they give up on it, and give it to a company that will handle it right. I wouldn't mind watching it if it was on Adult Swim. Now that would be fitting.
I haven't seen the uncut version of the Arlong arc, so I don't know exactly what was edited. When I saw Arlong and his "pointy fist of death", I thought "What the hell?! I know that's an edit." I can understand why you think the editing is funny. I'm sure that I'll be close to crying when I see the uncut version. I mean, I almost did with Hughe's death on Fullmetal Alchemist.
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ok…I didnt get to see it because of a stupid "live news special" that HAD to come on just when it was starting and went through the entire episode. Ive been wanting to see how badly 4kids screwed it up ever since Arlong arc started up. So i got pissed off so to speak and started cussin at the TV. but anyways, i tried to go on that stupid wesite for that ''videos on demand'' thing so i could watch it...one piece wasnt on there! so can anyone upload an episode on here...so i can complain about the show instead of seeing please.
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They need to keep the pace up, or kids will lose interest. They also make cuts for time, since they have to fit in a zillion commercial breaks.
As if kids even watch this is the first place. The ratings on One Piece are so crappy, it's almost unknown to kids. Most of the people who watch this are subbies who like to see how much the dub sucks, or to laugh at how crappy the editing is.
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Where have I heard this before…
Ah yes. Way back in Digimon when Vampmon(Myotismon) killed Goromon and Pumpkinmon, but then got changed to being locked up in the dungeon. So Bellemere is currently gambling in a dungeon with Goromon and Pumpkinmon somewhere in the Shadow Realm.
I really like Bellemere's voice actor, she actually made finding Nami and Nojiko good. I had a high hope for that episode when that happened...but then I saw a shovel. Better then the Broom. But Shonen Jump lied. They showed her getting her arm broken...why?! At least it was more believable then Chakram or Kuina's death. -
Todayâ€s episode was on all kinds of crack. Bwah ha ha, besides being merged they added a shovel? A DUNGEON? xD If you didnâ€t see it you definitely missed out. Crazy crazy crazy. And they also cut out the scene where Nojiko and Genzo question Namiâ€s motives. I still think this means something…
Clips! Can someone make some clips please? xD LMAO
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i've been reading this conversation along the way, and i'm glad i live outside of the range of this horror.
but honestly, do the even know what they are doing? if i understood correctly, bellemere isn't dead, but in some dungeon? who does that grave belong to then? and what happened to her afterwards? she must still be there.i'm not familiar with the american laws and other issues, but are blood and death really such a big taboo?
my dear one piece, what have they done to you.
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I think a broom would have been better. I mean it's a regular household appliance. Sure you're wondering "what does she think she'll do with a broom" but heh, maybe Bellemere knows martial art and can kick ass with a stick.
A shovel though, well… I don't know where she got that. Maybe to dig up the tangerines... :unsure:Maybe Bellemere died in the dungeon. I mean it has been 8 years. I bet Mermen don't feed P.U-mans much.
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Originally posted by Senshi Mizaka@May 21 2005, 10:59 AM
**They need to keep the pace up, or kids will lose interest. They also make cuts for time, since they have to fit in a zillion commercial breaks.As if kids even watch this is the first place. The ratings on One Piece are so crappy, it's almost unknown to kids. Most of the people who watch this are subbies who like to see how much the dub sucks, or to laugh at how crappy the editing is.
[snapback]52937[/snapback]**Actually One Piece is doing good now.. At least on Toonami. Well yep the episode today was murdured. But only to us. I feel they did a FAIRLY good job on merging the episodes to one so no one who does'nt know the japanese version would be confused. And I guess Bellemere died of hunger eventually in the dungeon, I mean they showed her tombstone so everyone knows she's dead. They just don't tell you HOW she died, as expected. As bad as it was, this was really the best 4Kids could have done, considering their standards. Really ANY alteration of this scene would have murdered it no matter what so it's not like they could have done something else. On the other hand I really liked Bellemere's voice, one of the best voices casted yet..Too bad she does'nt appear much. They also let Genzo getting cut up intact, whish surprised me. All in all, They murdered the scene, but at least it was belivable unlike Kuina and the "chackram" At least Bellemere's still dead so anything further on won't be messed up.
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the episode was rushed and healiy editted.
Rubber knofe, Bellemare sent to the dungeon. 4kids, I think you need your head examented. Fuck you, you better get shut down.
Frome now on I'm going to wait untie the uncut DVD
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Well now since that is over (thank god!) we can now focus on the rest of the Arlong arc with out MUCH fear since the Nami stabing scene can be fixed with a quick cut, and the rest is'nt really as violent as Bellemere's death.
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Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 10:58 AM
Well now since that is over (thank god!) we can now focus on the rest of the Arlong arc with out MUCH fear since the Nami stabing scene can be fixed with a quick cut, and the rest is'nt really as violent as Bellemere's death.
[snapback]52970[/snapback]Don't get your hopes up, we thought the same thing about Ussop's death. What could've easily been a quick cut and an explaination turned into an embarassment (though I wiill give 4Kids credit for at least showing the scene).
Back on topic, wasn't bad up until they explain Bellemare's punishment. I was afriad they would cut out how she found Nami and Nijuko but thankfully it stayed (though was there an additional scene to that? In the comic, she declares later to the doctors and Genzo that she'll be their mother). I also didn't mind the shovel thing, make sense actully and TONS better then a super soaker. But found the quick or merged edits very annoying, couldn't tell what the hell was going on. And that "did they give you sweets?" part was a little whacked, did not help that scene one bit.
But overall not a complete downer. At least, were nearing the climax.
A not bad quote (not perfect):
Nami: Were so poor. we can barely afford a book.
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Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 11:32 AM
As bad as it was, this was really the best 4Kids could have done, considering their standards. Really ANY alteration of this scene would have murdered it no matter what so it's not like they could have done something else. On the other hand I really liked Bellemere's voice, one of the best voices casted yet..Too bad she does'nt appear much. They also let Genzo getting cut up intact, whish surprised me. All in all, They murdered the scene, but at least it was belivable unlike Kuina and the "chackram" At least Bellemere's still dead so anything further on won't be messed up.
[snapback]52955[/snapback]I don't get why you defend the dub. It's true that 4kids has standards, but they're at fault for even liscensing the show in the first place. The only reason why we're watching it on 4kids tv and not on Adult Swim is because 4kids thought that it would bring in big bucks. They don't care about the product at all. If One Piece was kid friendly but didn't have the ratings it has now in Japan, I really doubt that 4kids would have been so eager to get it. If 4kids didn't know what kind of edits that would have to be made and only cared about the profit, then that directly shows their ignorance and greedyness. However if they did know, well then we can directly blame them for the stupid edits in One Piece.
I for one do not defend anything 4kids does. I think that they're just a bunch of big fat money grubbing heifers. So THERE> xD
And I liked Bellemere's VA too. At first the heavy accent was crazy, but after a minute or so she started to talk normal. :3
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Argh, I feel like I'm going to go crazy later today. And it's a merged double ep too. I remember almost going insane after needing to write for the merged episodes for the kuro arc. Punches the wall
I'mma gonna get some clips later today. >.< What I believe is that I suppose after 8 years of being locked up, Nami just assumed she already passed on, methinks..
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What did I just say?
What if they say she was captured, then use the "Ghost" of Bellmere at the end of the arc to make it seem like she is still alive?
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Originally posted by taboo+May 21 2005, 12:25 PM–>QUOTE(taboo @ May 21 2005, 12:25 PM)
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I like the series so much that they'll have to change the COMPLETE story for me to stop watching it.
It looks like that's coming very soon.
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Bellemere's VA was good, great even. It's a bit of a shame that one-shot characters have good voice's while the rest. . . Bleh.
Shovel. . . Ooookay. It could have been better as a super soaker.
Dungeon time for Bellemere. . . I was expecting something else.
So much for Nami's backstory.
After this, what else do we have to worry about?
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well, all i can say today was messed up. very very messed up.
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Originally posted by Mr. Santoryu@May 21 2005, 01:02 PM
**Bellemere's VA was good, great even. It's a bit of a shame that one-shot characters have good voice's while the rest. . . Bleh.Shovel. . . Ooookay. It could have been better as a super soaker.
Dungeon time for Bellemere. . . I was expecting something else.
So much for Nami's backstory.
After this, what else do we have to worry about?
[snapback]53009[/snapback]**Bellemere still died, they just did'nt really tell you how.
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Originally posted by Mr. Santoryu@May 21 2005, 12:02 PM
After this, what else do we have to worry about?
[snapback]53009[/snapback]Nojiko getting shot
Nami stabbing herself in the arm (thats the next episode, isn't it?)
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True True, Romanmack. But I bet at the end of the arc, they'll say that they'll look for Arlong's dungeon to break her out. That's means she'll still be alive.
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Originally posted by Retro@May 21 2005, 02:10 PM
Nami stabbing herself in the arm (thats the next episode, isn't it?)
[snapback]53014[/snapback]My guess is Luffy stops her before she does anything.
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Originally posted by RomanMack@May 21 2005, 12:53 PM
The best thing to do is to not watch it….Or to cope with it!But I'm still gonna watch it. Half because I want to see what kind of silly edits they can come up with next, and the other half because it's still One Piece, and I like the series so much that they'll have to change the COMPLETE story for me to stop watching it.
Hey, we're watching it for the same reason. Teh funnies. KEWLIES
I like the series alot too, so when it gets mutilated like this it does get me angry. Changing the complete story would be bad, but isn't taking all the emotion out of the story the same thing? Dub One Piece isn't the same as the original because the feelings Oda wanted the viewer to feel aren't there anymore. That's the whole point of a story: to make the listener/reader/viewer feel the emotion. Besides, why come up with a whole new story when the original one is the one that people watch in Japan?(4kids logic)
And there also the possibility of uncut dvd's if the dub gets popular enough.
That depends on whether or not the uncuts suck and/or whether or not they change VAs and get the original bg music. We don't really know the quality of that yet. And you said yourself that if you don't like the dub go to KF, that's what subs are for. Why should I waste my time for an uncut dub when I could just get the sub?
I for one thought the worst thing that happend during One Piece today was that CRAPTACULAR Bratz music video.
Oh, heck yes. I thought I was going to esplode.
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Question about the dub episode, even though Nojiko told the story, did she ever explain the point? It just seemed like a total mess, I couldn't hear half of the time anyway, because I was laughing too hard.