Everybody knows Usopps one tough badass anyway so course he can take a couple blows
The rankings we give the crew.
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Let’s wait for a serious fight if one will compare Zoro and Sanji. For sure you can find anything to prove stupid points. Look here, Usopp is strong enough to take Zoros and Sanjis hits and don’t have wounds on his head in the next page we see him. http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/76/13/
Here we can see that Zoro can kick, too. From this picture we can assume that they are equal in fights with feet, too.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/310/07/That isn't really you're thinking or are you serious. Well Sanji was good @ using kitchen knifes… So you can compare Sanji's using of any kind of sharp object comparing Zoro's too? facepalm
Well sorry... I don't want to bash you... But you're logic is a bit strange... really... And not just in this thread...
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I think he was kidding in those posts.
If not then: Besserwisser = FAIL -
That isn't really you're thinking or are you serious. Well Sanji was good @ using kitchen knifes… So you can compare Sanji's using of any kind of sharp object comparing Zoro's too? facepalm
Well sorry... I don't want to bash you... But you're logic is a bit strange... really... And not just in this thread...
I said from the beginning that this discussion use stupid points, so I used more stupid points to demonstrate this. For sure I wasn’t serious.
But I don’t get your points with the other thread …
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I said from the beginning that this discussion use stupid points,
Sure hope you werent refering to my little shoe vs sword observation.
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Sure hope you werent refering to my little shoe vs sword observation.
I was referring at the discussion leg and fist against swords. But I think the shoe vs sword observation belonged to these points. Even if Zoro don’t use the flat side of his sword against legs, fists or shoes it would give an easy explanation: @Chapter:
THE “STRONGEST SWORD” CAN PROTECT AND DESTROY WHAT IT WANTS. A SWORD THAT CAN HARM ANYTHING, ISN’T A REAL “SWORD” TO ME.
You all should know the meaning of this, Zoro can decide if he will make damage or will not and that explains all about this stuff.
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Or the simplest and most obvious explenation atleast to me would be that this is what goes in the OPverse, you can block a blade with something that IRL would probably be cut in half like for instance a shoe. And it would save you the trouble of having to explain why Zoro would be so full of shit that even after straight up saying that hes going to go all out and putting on his serious bandana face hed still holdback. And he didnt even understand that concept your refering to til the Mr.1 fight about 80 chapters after the one where he got blocked by a shoe.
But i dont see this going anywhere you think Zoros just holding back and i think that this was just a showcase of how this OPverse works, so lets just leave it at that. Fair enough no? or if i got your stance wrong feel free to correct me.
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Or the simplest and most obvious explenation atleast to me would be that this is what goes in the OPverse, you can block a blade with something that IRL would probably be cut in half like for instance a shoe. And it would save you the trouble of having to explain why Zoro would be so full of shit that even after straight up saying that hes going to go all out and putting on his serious bandana face hed still holdback. And he didnt even understand that concept your refering to til the Mr.1 fight about 80 chapters after the one where he got blocked by a shoe.
But i dont see this going anywhere you think Zoros just holding back and i think that this was just a showcase of how this OPverse works, so lets just leave it at that. Fair enough no? or if i got your stance wrong feel free to correct me.
wasn't the shoe mr1 was using turn into a blade as well
its true Zoro can choose what he cuts post arabasta
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But i dont see this going anywhere you think Zoros just holding back and i think that this was just a showcase of how this OPverse works, so lets just leave it at that. Fair enough no? or if i got your stance wrong feel free to correct me.
I think Sanji hold back, too. I only make counter-argument, even if I think there aren’t sure because this strength discussion will lead to nothing.
Anyhow it is true that Zoro can choose what he cut.
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I think Sanji hold back
How did Sanji get into the picture ? Only time i brought him in was when i proposed that since Luffy was able to block with his shoe Sanji should be able to do the same. Or maybe way earlier when i said a fight betwenn them wouldnt just end with his legs being cut of at the first blow.
Im not touching the actual Sanji vs Zoro debate with a 20 foot pole.
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How did Sanji get into the picture?
Because you said that I think that Zoro hold back and I think that you have misunderstood me. Further that was not only aimed at you. I commend your post but more than you alone can read this. I don’t get why you think all stuff refers to you.
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Probably because you said it directly after quoting me (Or maybe cause i belive the universe revolves around me:ninja:).
Anyway i suggest you seperate whats just general thoughts from your side. From what you had to say about the qoute. Makes it a lot less likely that unneccesary mistakes like this happens.
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Agreed, things like this happen.
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Personally, i think that even with Diable Sanji is extremely weak when compared to Zoro and Luffy. Sanji is still up their in terms of physical power within the crew but as the series has progressed he's gone from being Zoros Rival to being someone who can't hold a candle to him. And i thought we are all in agreeance that Team Useless has ALWAYS consisted of Usopp, Nami, and Chopper. Anytime they do anything i applaud it but they are never going to be close to the top 3 guys. You have a Sniper, A navigator, and a Doctor. These are clearly important roles for the crew but support roles in battle, you should never expect them to do anything more than support the others. Robin is the deadliest fighter out of the middle weights imo. She's extremely intelligent and we've seen her take down crowds of ppl b4 and can instant kill just about anyone who is normal height and not a DF user. Franky is good but i think he needs an upgrade or he's liable to join team Useless. Im waiting for a bigger battle to judge Brookes fighting worth. I think the Flying Fish guys were too easy and the Pacifista are too hard.
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why is franky liable to join team useless? I've never seen him run away scared from an opponent or cry when luffy does something that endangers him nor do I remember him hiding from any opponents. If anybody's close to being demoted it's brook. I can already think of 2 examples of him running away or hiding. Also you said so yourself, Useless is support in battle. Franky is as daring as the monsters. Robin is support, you never see her jumping in risking her life and owning (probably because she's not retarded). I'd say out of the middle weights franky is the least likely to be demoted to useless.
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@Lordzeb121:
Personally, i think that even with Diable Sanji is extremely weak when compared to Zoro and Luffy. Sanji is still up their in terms of physical power within the crew but as the series has progressed he's gone from being Zoros Rival to being someone who can't hold a candle to him. And i thought we are all in agreeance that Team Useless has ALWAYS consisted of Usopp, Nami, and Chopper. Anytime they do anything i applaud it but they are never going to be close to the top 3 guys. You have a Sniper, A navigator, and a Doctor. These are clearly important roles for the crew but support roles in battle, you should never expect them to do anything more than support the others. Robin is the deadliest fighter out of the middle weights imo. She's extremely intelligent and we've seen her take down crowds of ppl b4 and can instant kill just about anyone who is normal height and not a DF user. Franky is good but i think he needs an upgrade or he's liable to join team Useless. Im waiting for a bigger battle to judge Brookes fighting worth. I think the Flying Fish guys were too easy and the Pacifista are too hard.
Please don't try to start a discussion once again…
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i never understand why people constantly make these topics or want to discuss in them.
Its like fanboys for a console. No matter how you state a valid argument or facts people will refuse to take in your point or anything.
Take the guy above me, he is obviously a huge Sanji fan based on sig and avatar. I find he is always defending anything ever about Sanji to put him equal to Zoro. No matter anything said. Same for fans of say Usopp, they always want to put him higher up on list, like 4th to bottom (higher than Nami and Chopper always at least)
Not saying anyone is right or wrong, but judgement is always twisted when throwing in favorites and stuff. People think gear 2 is so amazing and fast, yet a couple chapters back Luffy is gear 2 and then it is shown Luffy/Zoro/Sanji all dodging beams running from a far and all reach Kuma at the same time and combo attack. So does this mean gear 2 is luffy's way of reaching sanji/zoro speeds. (heck sanji is super strong legs and leg fighter obvious he woudl be insanely fast. Zoro works out constanly more than anyone, and since beggining of his showing has done moves that make him dissapear)
But if you want to bitch about no way that ain't true gear 2 is super faster, yet having no point in manga showing this, just basing off you think it is amazing and cool.
Then you come right back and state how strong Usopp is based off of manga luffy/usopp fight. And are ranking him higher on crew cause of this. So if doing ranking this way, Robin and nami beat Sanji. Or throw Usopp vs other strawhats and see how they fair. IMO Zoro would no have been taken for any of those underhanded tricks Usopp pulled in that fight and would have ended it in an instant. – Does this make Zoro way stronger than Luffy then cause the fight seemed so one sided?
Strength polls should stick to DBZ type mangas that all have the same powers and fight the same way. (all chi attacks and karate/kungfu ect) While here we have swords/slingshot/hand to hand/thunder weapon/devil fruits/ect. Shonen these days are not so cut and dry Goku stronger than vegeta. Perfect example Perona.
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you don't have to discuss it. You can take it as my personal opinion like i said. Im not about to get into a war with some guy whose clearly Pro-Sanji from the start, that'd just be a waste of my time. So for the record, IMO Sanji is ALOT weaker than Zoro and Luffy.
Also the reason why i said Franky is in danger is because lately he's been more back-up than anything. All the middle weights are back-ups but what makes them middle weights is that they can hold their own without to much trouble but they aren't as strong as the top 3. Frankys character can go in 2 directions as oda has shown us, he can be a physical fighter or a major support character(building stairs and bridges instantly) Oda can push his character either way and lately he's being out shined by other characters, his cyborg stuff was cool at first but like i said he needs an upgrade or i can see him switching to support and joining Team Useless(which is a a bit mean because all of those characters are good at something sniping, Stealth, Finding weak points).
I don't peg brooke for a coward, he didn't run away from Ryuma, he didn't run away from the flying fish, he didn't run away from the Shichibukia in fact he 1 hit Talaran something both franky and Robin tried and failed to do. Like i said we haven't seen him fight someone on par with the crew Flying fish were too weak and the Pacifista are too hard so its hard to judge where he would stand in an Enies Lobby type situation.
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i never understand why people constantly make these topics or want to discuss in them.
Its like fanboys for a console. No matter how you state a valid argument or facts people will refuse to take in your point or anything.
Take the guy above me, he is obviously a huge Sanji fan based on sig and avatar. I find he is always defending anything ever about Sanji to put him equal to Zoro. No matter anything said. Same for fans of say Usopp, they always want to put him higher up on list, like 4th to bottom (higher than Nami and Chopper always at least)
Not saying anyone is right or wrong, but judgement is always twisted when throwing in favorites and stuff. People think gear 2 is so amazing and fast, yet a couple chapters back Luffy is gear 2 and then it is shown Luffy/Zoro/Sanji all dodging beams running from a far and all reach Kuma at the same time and combo attack. So does this mean gear 2 is luffy's way of reaching sanji/zoro speeds. (heck sanji is super strong legs and leg fighter obvious he woudl be insanely fast. Zoro works out constanly more than anyone, and since beggining of his showing has done moves that make him dissapear)
But if you want to bitch about no way that ain't true gear 2 is super faster, yet having no point in manga showing this, just basing off you think it is amazing and cool.
Then you come right back and state how strong Usopp is based off of manga luffy/usopp fight. And are ranking him higher on crew cause of this. So if doing ranking this way, Robin and nami beat Sanji. Or throw Usopp vs other strawhats and see how they fair. IMO Zoro would no have been taken for any of those underhanded tricks Usopp pulled in that fight and would have ended it in an instant. – Does this make Zoro way stronger than Luffy then cause the fight seemed so one sided?
Strength polls should stick to DBZ type mangas that all have the same powers and fight the same way. (all chi attacks and karate/kungfu ect) While here we have swords/slingshot/hand to hand/thunder weapon/devil fruits/ect. Shonen these days are not so cut and dry Goku stronger than vegeta. Perfect example Perona.
Yep I'm a Sanji fan but I didn't try to defend him. I just don't like the dact that people are saying that A > B without some facts and are just bitching around. Even I say Zoro is a bit stronger!
For the rest of the post. Yeah you are right.
@Lordzeb121
Nothing against and your opinion but like I said. Without facts u can#t start to bitch around cuz it will end in a discussion.
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@Lordzeb121
Nothing against and your opinion but like I said. Without facts u can#t start to bitch around cuz it will end in a discussion.
im unfamiliar with the term bitching around. You must be unfamiliar with the word OPINION. Hows this for discussion. Zoro>Sanji Sanji
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@Lordzeb121:
im unfamiliar with the term bitching around. You must be unfamiliar with the word OPINION. Hows this for discussion. Zoro>Sanji Sanji <zoro 4="" 5="" sanji="/=Zoro." onoz="" i="" made="" fun="" of="" your="" favorite="" guy.="" you="" can="" use="" all="" the="" and="" letter="" words="" want="" but="" its="" not="" going="" to="" change="" my="" opinion,="" wanted="" discussion,="" see="" above="" sentence.="" now="" plz="" stop="" crying="" you're="" embarrassing="" sanji,="" if="" he="" was="" so="" good="" wouldn't="" have="" come="" his="" rescue="" time="" lol.<="" blockquote="">Lol
You're so right and so I say all the time that Zoro >= Sanji</zoro>
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KiShiDo > Lordzeb121
Oda > all of You guys and hes strength rankings are final of course i know them but i wouldn't say cause i don't want to spoil anything for u all :ninja:
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Oda > all of You guys and hes strength rankings are final of course i know them but i wouldn't say cause i don't want to spoil anything for u all :ninja:
Zkaiser > Neomaster121:ninja:
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Zkaiser > Neomaster121:ninja:
Neomaster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zkaiser
but on a serious note we all got different ideas n we will all be ready to pounce on someone who makes a idiotish comment like saying chopper is weaker than ussop
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but on a serious note we all got different ideas […] like […] chopper is weaker than ussop
Skill != Strength
Rank != Strength
Bounty != Strength
Combat Ability != Strength
Character > Character != StrengthSkill + Bounty + Combat Ability = Ussop / Chopper / Nami = Same Rank
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Skill != Strength
Rank != Strength
Bounty != Strength
Combat Ability != Strength
Character > Character != StrengthSkill + Bounty + Combat Ability = Ussop > Chopper = Higher Rank
bounty doesn't equal strength so
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bounty doesn't equal strength so
Sorry, but I have no clue what the point of that sentence is, aside from repeating what I just said of course.
edit: Perhaps you didn't know what != means. It means "not equal". ! means "not" and, well….you should know the other one.
For my usage of it, however, you can roughly translate it as "does not equal". Perhaps that will make it more understandable.edit: On second thought, I changed my previous post.
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in my op, it goes : Luffy>Zoro>Sanji>Robin=/>Franky>Brook>Ussopi>Chopper=/>nami
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double zoro=100, sanji=10, difference;
do{
zoro = zoro + (0.01)*zoro;
sanji = sanji + (0.02)*sanji;
difference = zoro - sanji;
}while(difference>0);//
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double zoro=100, sanji=10, difference;
do
{
zoro = zoro + (0.01)*zoro;
sanji = sanji + (0.02)*sanji;
difference = zoro - sanji;
console.writeline(difference);
}
while(difference>0);Assuming you were writing in C#. After the above change, we compiled it and got these results:
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[/hide]Now the ColdFusion guy at my work is arguing the logic behind this with the .Net guy. Aside from it being an infinite loop, I am not sure where you were going with this. Are you saying that Zoro will always be greater than Sanji??
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I maintain that Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji are pretty close to dead equal in terms of pure physical ability- Luffy may be a bit stronger, Zoro a bit more durable, and Sanji a bit faster, but they're all around the same in each area. The major difference in Sanji is his fighting style, and that's what makes him 'weaker'- Sanji doesn't use swords and he sure as heck doesn't have a rubber anatomy. Luffy can stretch his arms back for more momentum on his punches, and Zoro has mid ranged attacks and the ability to block with bladed weaponry. Sanji can pretty much just block with his feet and his acrobatics, while cool, are extremely limited (more so than for a normal martial artist because he refuses to even use his hands).
As for the rest of the crew… I put Franky and Brooke in the same boat for now under the mid tier fighters. Brooke because he stomped Taleran, who Franky, a mid tier, couldn't defeat. And is it just me or is Oda having the mid tiers mirror the high tiers of the crew? Not exactly, but in basic fighting style... We have Luffy, the captain, mirrored in Franky- a cyborg that mostly punches and uses crazy combinations of moves, and he even has a 'stretching' arm (the one with the chain attached) not to mention physical force is usually nullified against his front. Then, mirroring the first mate only an arc later, a swordsman joins in Brooke. Brooke isn't as strong as Zoro, but he does mimic his swordplay a little with the Aubaude Coup Droit. Anyway, Brooke and Franky are the only two I see here for now. Normally people put Robin here but... Well, I'll explain later.
Low tier is basically like this for me: Robin (questionable) = Usopp = Chopper > Nami. Robin is questionable because, let's face it... Her ability is pretty limited. Mostly we see Robin take down dozens of guys at once by clutching them all, but that's not even as impressive as taking down one CP9 agent (think- Douriki means that those dozens of marines might not even 'add up' to the weakest CP9 agent, Calipha). Aside from her "crowd control" fighting, she's got minimal durability, strength, speed, and endurance. She was completely overcome by Taleran, and had the luck of fighting a moron in Skypiea (though that just goes to show here intelligence and strategical mind is leagues above others in the crew). On the other hand... The goofy, childish fighters, Usopp and Chopper, have almost as much strength and durability as the mid tiers when they really get serious- Usopp's intellect saves him in the strength department, and Chopper's forms compensate minimally for his lack of durability (he can dodge more capably rather than deal with blows). Nami's at the bottom because she's like Robin, only in an even worse situation- Robin's DF ability can't really be seperated from her, but if Nami loses her Clima-tact, she's completely screwed. Completely.
So basically, my rankings are: Luffy = Zoro = Sanji > Franky = Brooke > Robin = Usopp = Chopper > Nami. At the most basic level. There are so many equals because I'm not one to judge by the "if they got into a fight" like some people here are doing. I'm pretty sure that Oda wants us to see, that the different styles of fighting are capable of shifting what look to be even the most obvious fights, and knowing your opponent can majorly help (Usopp vs. Luffy) so it's no telling who would actually win in such a situation.
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I like your explanation even if don't afree in all points.
And for Sanji. Even I agree with you. His refusing of using his hands handicaps let me put him Luffy(>)=Zoro>=Sanji. But who cares–- he is so damned stylish =D -
Based on a Luffy scale, with 10=Luffy Level
Luffy: 10
Zoro: 9.0
Sanji. 8.7
Franky: 7.0
Brooke: 6.5
Chopper: 5.0
Usopp: 4.9
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I think Zoro is nr.1 and luffy nr.2, since almost every fight since mihawk he has been injured and still pewpwn.
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I think Zoro is nr.1 and luffy nr.2, since almost every fight since mihawk he has been injured and still pewpwn.
the thread still amazes me everytime… :wassat: facepalm
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Franky
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Brooke
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Assuming you were writing in C#. After the above change, we compiled it and got these results:
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[/hide]Now the ColdFusion guy at my work is arguing the logic behind this with the .Net guy. Aside from it being an infinite loop, I am not sure where you were going with this. Are you saying that Zoro will always be greater than Sanji??
Oh my, it should have been double (I edited my first post). Anyways, the loop will only continue while the difference is still larger than zero (difference>0). So what I’m telling is that at the start zoro >> sanji. But as time passes by (the loops), that difference will reach zero. But when you tried to execute the code, it reached a difference of -2.93. This means Sanji will become a little stronger than zoro in the end. I just typed the code; it is just now I realized that it will reach a negative difference. If that happens, if Sanji>Zoro in the end, curse this code.
Anyways, just wanted to reply to this thread in a very different way. Just carried a little bit by the != symbol you first used. As far as I know, that’s only used in programming. I know some might know at an instant what I’m telling. I never expected somebody will actually execute the code though.
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I think Zoro is nr.1 and luffy nr.2, since almost every fight since mihawk he has been injured and still pewpwn.
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
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the thread still amazes me everytime… :wassat: facepalm
looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
It is his opinion and there is no need to bash these. I have read many times poorer ratings and his opinion at least is understandable.
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I just typed the code; it is just now I realized that it will reach a negative difference.
I figured you didn't expect it to do that, which is why I assumed you meant Zoro > Sanji always. (I surely didn't expect it to do that, lol).
@estarapapax:If that happens, if Sanji>Zoro in the end, curse this code.
On the contrary, this code should be put into better use: Fortune Telling.
@estarapapax:I never expected somebody will actually execute the code though.
LOL. Personally, I thought it was fun. I am only learning ASP.NET and C# right now, so I cannot put it to much practical use. I work directly with the programmers at work though…
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It is his opinion and there is no need to bash these. I have read many times poorer ratings and his opinion at least is understandable.
Sorry I know you like Zoro and I understand that people are saying Zoro = Luffy. Mybe it's true.
But HIS opinion is wrong as hell.
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But HIS opinion is wrong as hell.
This is where Malintex_Terek's lovely "IMV" vs. "IMO" comes in handy. His opinion is his own. His view may or may not be incorrect depending on which way the discussion goes.
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I had always wondered what he meant when he said IMV….
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Can we just leave this thread until they enter the new world after the fishman arc
seriously this arcs a waste of time
measuring strength at early mid n end points or after major power ups are the best times when random arcs make people change their minds
yes gears made luffy faster n stronger but remember its in fact soru that makes luffy fast both of which have been shown by sanji n Zoro to be able to counter
gear 3 supossedly gives luffy the strength of a giant
We then see odz whos far larger than two giants holding each other up punching Zoro n sanji you then see both of them repelling his hits. Zoro with raw strength sanji using a technique but with just cause.Lets just leave the discussion cause we have no new material to judge upon and we have just seen the end of the fight. Oda Decided to make Zoro and luffy combo a double spread instead of Zoro n sanji a double and luffy a double on his own. Make of that what you will kishido hehehe
but on a serious note all we seem to be doing is spamming this thread with word vomit. Read the first 15 pages before continuing old discussions i've n others have argued the same ideas that have come out continually and kishido u really should just forget what these people got to say when they seem to be pushing sanji down. Its like that fool who was saying franky above sanji in raw strength. after a while u'll find even with proof some people won't listen.Besser i too are a Zoro fan and i seriously think in time we will get a true idea of strength lvls remeber this is before the half way point so really theres no point on trying to convince people this early on Zoro equals luffy cause i for one think we may get a clearer awnser at the end of the fishman arc which will either prove or disprove peoples points with a good chance of a double shichibackai battle. It could end with Zoro n Luffy taking on 2 shichibackai while sanji fights a clone or a marine of high ranking in my opinion
so lets just let this thread die til the next major power ups
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Can we just leave this thread until they enter the new world after the fishman arc
seriously this arcs a waste of time
measuring strength at early mid n end points or after major power ups are the best times when random arcs make people change their minds
yes gears made luffy faster n stronger but remember its in fact soru that makes luffy fast both of which have been shown by sanji n Zoro to be able to counter
gear 3 supossedly gives luffy the strength of a giant
We then see odz whos far larger than two giants holding each other up punching Zoro n sanji you then see both of them repelling his hits. Zoro with raw strength sanji using a technique but with just cause.Lets just leave the discussion cause we have no new material to judge upon and we have just seen the end of the fight. Oda Decided to make Zoro and luffy combo a double spread instead of Zoro n sanji a double and luffy a double on his own. Make of that what you will kishido hehehe
but on a serious note all we seem to be doing is spamming this thread with word vomit. Read the first 15 pages before continuing old discussions i've n others have argued the same ideas that have come out continually and kishido u really should just forget what these people got to say when they seem to be pushing sanji down. Its like that fool who was saying franky above sanji in raw strength. after a while u'll find even with proof some people won't listen.Besser i too are a Zoro fan and i seriously think in time we will get a true idea of strength lvls remeber this is before the half way point so really theres no point on trying to convince people this early on Zoro equals luffy cause i for one think we may get a clearer awnser at the end of the fishman arc which will either prove or disprove peoples points with a good chance of a double shichibackai battle. It could end with Zoro n Luffy taking on 2 shichibackai while sanji fights a clone or a marine of high ranking in my opinion
so lets just let this thread die til the next major power ups
1. Hehe when you think that teh last panels shows the ranking of the crew… than Franky is weaker than Nami :wassat: LOL Ok don't let us start this once again.
2. You're right. Let the shitties talk.
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*Gears Luffy
Base Luffy= Zoro
*Monster Chopper
Sanji
Franky
Brook
Robin
Chopper
Nami
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Luffy
Zoro
Sanji
Franky
Chopper
Brook
Robin
Nami
Usopp