Agreed. Teach as the factor who will IMO disrupt this entire balance thing will wreak some serious havok at the New World if/when the Whitebeard Pirates are defeated. There's some major shit in the making concerning the bigger picture of the OP world.
Chapter 504 "Pirates Front Lines Moving"
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who do u guys want to die anyway some no name marine grunt that has no big part of the story
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Indeed. This battle will most certainly be what Blackbeard wanted. He'll have his chance at Whitebeard.
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Indeed. This battle will most certainly be what Blackbeard wanted. He'll have his chance at Whitebeard.
It might be the chance for everything. Let's not forget that he said that he planned all out on his quest to become Pirate King. Becoming Shichibukai was the first step. Whitebeard might be the second. What comes next remains to be seen, but he sure as hell is one damn good antagonist.^^
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ah why not let Shanks come too… He was worried about Ace as well.. .or will it be handled als personal matter of WB in which he will not be allowed to interrupt..
anyways it's going to be an awsome arc...
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The rhetorical question can also pertain to the directly preceding statement. So no it does not eliminate him from referring to Ace and I already explained why that wouldn't be as likely. Though in this case, it's probably best to look at a variety of translations as opposed to one since it's a matter of what the original text in another language says.
rhetorical questions always refer to the preceeding statement(s). So it reads… Ace imprisoned. Isn't he one of white beards strong guys? the rhetorical question meaning, how did one of WB's top guys get captured. He then says (in that translation) the WG just pulled one hell of a card. I was using stephen's cause from my understanding his is the most accurate. I don't know if you play cards are not but in the event that you do, its like playing war. And someone puts down the king of spades. Thats a very high card. But i put out the Ace of spades. Your saying that me having the King of spades is my trump card, The Ace is still the trump card though because it is the card that trumped the king.
the one on onemanga says it pretty point blankly.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/486/03/ : "Ace was such a famous elite who served whitebeard. The world government must have found themselves a trump card."
Your welco
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True but when you constantly mention it like that, it seems you're obsessed with finding death in One Piece.
Again, I probably wouldn't be costantly be mentioning it if it didn't constantly keep popping up.
Also, the, "you just wanna find death in One Piece,", complaint is fucking ignorant. Read freedom's or my posts and if you can't understand our views and what they stand for then don't bother responding with trite spin comments like that.
Therefore detracting your overall enjoyment of the series and hence you getting sick of it.
Ah, sorry. I had forgotten that my opinions belonged to someone else to determine and not constantly sucking Oda off while praising his every move no matter how much I might disagree with it was considered being sick of something. I was under the impression that only I could state when I was/wasn't sick of something and I can criticize something because of the fact that I enjoy it so very much.
I used to think along the same lines but the more anime I watched and see characters die left and right I felt different about what Oda does.
Spin, spin, spin.
When will the spinning stop? Where did I or freedom ever say that characters had to die 'left and right'?
I am forced to repeatedly bring up the point that I had no issue with the lack of death in Skypiea, mainly because it made sense with basic cartoon logic and Oda's comments about living by the strength of your heart. Not to mention, yeah, people have survived being struck by lightning.
It makes sense.
But um, yeah, explosive neck collars and guns don't kill people even if they're weak background villains.
BUT HOLY SHIT WATCH OUT FOR THOSE STAIRS KUINA!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!
Not only does it make the series FEEL like a foreign cartoon, but it also removes a great deal from our villains. What good are villains if they can't kill anyone? Okay, so maybe that pig pirate from Alabasta is alive. I'd be cool with that. You know why? Oda didn't make a big fucking deal out of throwing him in the background dancing to a merry jig later on. What he's been doing recently is no different from covering his ass the way 4Kids or FUNimation did.
It's like he's censoring himself. Which is bullshit.
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rhetorical questions always refer to the preceeding statement(s). So it reads… Ace imprisoned. Isn't he one of white beards strong guys? the rhetorical question meaning, how did one of WB's top guys get captured. He then says (in that translation) the WG just pulled one hell of a card. I was using stephen's cause from my understanding his is the most accurate. I don't know if you play cards are not but in the event that you do, its like playing war. And someone puts down the king of spades. Thats a very high card. But i put out the Ace of spades. Your saying that me having the King of spades is my trump card, The Ace is still the trump card though because it is the card that trumped the king.
the one on onemanga says it pretty point blankly.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/486/03/ : "Ace was such a famous elite who served whitebeard. The world government must have found themselves a trump card."
Your welco
you my friend have convinced me. For a while I have seen these arguments and thought surely the card they are talking about is ace and its a play on words but I see your point clearly now. It would take a trump card to beat an ace. Well played sir and I concede the point.
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Again, I probably wouldn't be costantly be mentioning it if it didn't constantly keep popping up.
Also, the, "you just wanna find death in One Piece,", complaint is fucking ignorant. Read freedom's or my posts and if you can't understand our views and what they stand for then don't bother responding with trite spin comments like that.
Ah, sorry. I had forgotten that my opinions belonged to someone else to determine and not constantly sucking Oda off while praising his every move no matter how much I might disagree with it was considered being sick of something. I was under the impression that only I could state when I was/wasn't sick of something and I can criticize something because of the fact that I enjoy it so very much.
Spin, spin, spin.
When will the spinning stop? Where did I or freedom ever say that characters had to die 'left and right'?
I am forced to repeatedly bring up the point that I had no issue with the lack of death in Skypiea, mainly because it made sense with basic cartoon logic and Oda's comments about living by the strength of your heart. Not to mention, yeah, people have survived being struck by lightning.
It makes sense.
But um, yeah, explosive neck collars and guns don't kill people even if they're weak background villains.
BUT HOLY SHIT WATCH OUT FOR THOSE STAIRS KUINA!!!! OH NOES!!!!!!!
Not only does it make the series FEEL like a foreign cartoon, but it also removes a great deal from our villains. What good are villains if they can't kill anyone? Okay, so maybe that pig pirate from Alabasta is alive. I'd be cool with that. You know why? Oda didn't make a big fucking deal out of throwing him in the background dancing to a merry jig later on. What he's been doing recently is no different from covering his ass the way 4Kids or FUNimation did.
It's like he's censoring himself. Which is bullshit.
First off, there's no need to be so aggressive.
Second off, I'm not saying you should constantly kiss his ass because I sure as hell don't. However this death thing was long established. Must you constantly bring it up? It seems you're trying to convince yourself more than anything.
Third off, you are being quite ludicrous:/ It's like you're taking it personally now. Seriously, censoring himself?
WHY would he do that, Greg?
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First off, there's no need to be so aggressive.
I'd probably be a lot less aggressive if you weren't telling me how I think.
However this death thing was long established.
Not to this degree. Not by a long shot. Where it seems for almost 2 months we've been seeing 'parachutes' almost weekly. And this time there is no grey area. There's not room for discussion. A low-class man's neck was detonated after which he was shot and he was taken off to be treated.
How could Oda have handled this? Well he could have given him some DF ability. He could have made the detonantion device somewhere else, on his wrist for example. Yeah, blowing off a hand? That's pretty damn scary, I would totally have gone for that. But no, he put it around his neck, showed us a large explosion and then goes as far as having him shot, only to talk about him being carted off to be cared for.
Absurd.
There were so many other ways he COULD have handled it and yet he didn't. It's unprofessional.
My train of thought, for those who don't clearly understand it, is if you're GOING to show us someone in danger, make it dangerous.
By making the explosive a collar and then letting him live? What does that do? Prove how useless the collars are? I mean THINK about it. If a 60 Million bounty pirate can get away from a explosion around their neck,
WHY WOULDN'T ALL THE PIRATES BE RUNNING AWAY ANYWAY?
This is the kind of logic I expect from all the other tripe out there, not OP.
Seriously, censoring himself? Think Greg, WHY would he do that?
You're right. I dunno what I was thinking. Oda would never censor himself or allow himself to be censored.
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rhetorical questions always refer to the preceeding statement(s). So it reads… Ace imprisoned. Isn't he one of white beards strong guys? the rhetorical question meaning, how did one of WB's top guys get captured. He then says (in that translation) the WG just pulled one hell of a card. I was using stephen's cause from my understanding his is the most accurate. I don't know if you play cards are not but in the event that you do, its like playing war. And someone puts down the king of spades. Thats a very high card. But i put out the Ace of spades. Your saying that me having the King of spades is my trump card, The Ace is still the trump card though because it is the card that trumped the king.
the one on onemanga says it pretty point blankly.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/486/03/ : "Ace was such a famous elite who served whitebeard. The world government must have found themselves a trump card."
Your welco
I'm not sure if I understand exactly what you're saying. But it seems to me you're still ignoring the directly preceeding statement to when he talks about the the "card", which is Ace.
Either way, I suppose FrankyHouse's (on onemanga) scanslation makes it seem more like (not really definitive) they were referring to Blackbeard, but they could still be referring to the situation.
cnet's translation on the other hand Ace seems to be the one clealry referred to as a trump card.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4735/03gt2.pngThey are talking about using "this" and not Blackbeard, and I'm assuming "this" relates to the card, which is Ace and the way he's been exploited in the situation.
I don't see it as a dialogue revolving around Blackbeard, but the implications of Ace being captured. The fact that they're using Ace as a 'card' to draw Whitebeard is obvious considering Drake's statement about the execution (not his capture) being what is sparking the war. As I've said before, there's no indication of Blackbeard playing any important role, only as part of the Shicihbukai who have been ordered to deal with Whitebeard.
Anyways I don't see how it's all that relevant as the situation is already playing out. And they've only used Ace (and not Blackbeard) to trigger Whitebeard's response (which will let him fall in their hands.) Though I suppose it might turn out that Blackbeard will turn out to be the head of the Shichibukai or something like that.
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I knew that was Ace's back before I even opened it up
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Though I suppose it might turn out that Blackbeard will turn out to be the head of the Shichibukai or something like that.
Lol head of the Sihcbikuia. No.
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Not to this degree. Not by a long shot. Where it seems for almost 2 months we've been seeing 'parachutes' almost weekly. And this time there is no grey area. There's not room for discussion. A low-class man's neck was detonated after which he was shot and he was taken off to be treated.
How could Oda have handled this? Well he could have given him some DF ability. He could have made the detonantion device somewhere else, on his wrist for example. Yeah, blowing off a hand? That's pretty damn scary, I would totally have gone for that. But no, he put it around his neck, showed us a large explosion and then goes as far as having him shot, only to talk about him being carted off to be cared for.
Absurd.
No what's absurd is you complaining about something that has been completely obvious in One Piece for a WHILE now. You whine about a man surviving an explosive collar around his neck but crappy ass Pell survived a bomb that could destroy a city? Crap, Garbage LOLA SURVIVED KUMA'S "Ursa Shock" FOR GOD SAKES and we know what that did to an island.
There were so many other ways he COULD have handled it and yet he didn't. It's unprofessional.
Oh yeah, Oda doesn't kill in his story he is so unprofessional, God he might as well be writing Tom and Jerry cartoons.:getlost:
My train of thought, for those who don't clearly understand it, is if you're GOING to show us someone in danger, make it dangerous.
People's dreams dying isn't dangerous? A dangerous sitaution does not always entails DEATH.
By making the explosive a collar and then letting him live? What does that do? Prove how useless the collars are? I mean THINK about it. If a 60 Million bounty pirate can get away from a explosion around their neck,
WHY WOULDN'T ALL THE PIRATES BE RUNNING AWAY ANYWAY?
This is the kind of logic I expect from all the other tripe out there, not OP.
Maybe because the 60 million bounty pirate is just more determined and more powerful than the others.
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It would be a fucking miracle if we could all just drop it. Shut up already.
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No what's absurd is you complaining about something that has been completely obvious in One Piece for a WHILE now. You whine about a man surviving an explosive collar around his neck but crappy ass Pell survived a bomb that could destroy a city? Crap, Garbage LOLA SURVIVED KUMA'S "Ursa Shock" FOR GOD SAKES and we know what that did to an island.
Oh yeah, Oda doesn't kill in his story he is so unprofessional, God he might as well be writing Tom and Jerry cartoons.:getlost:
People's dreams dying isn't dangerous? A dangerous sitaution does not always entails DEATH.
Maybe because the 60 million bounty pirate is just more determined and more powerful than the others.
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Well if Whitebeard does go down, I know one thing it will be open Season on Pirates.
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I wonder if there are any pirates that are allied with Dragon and his army?
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Well if Whitebeard does go down, I know one thing it will be open Season on Pirates.
No, it will be Revolutionist Season!^^
Sorry, couldn't resist.^^
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Lulz. Come on Greg, you know the manji symbol has nothing to do with what we're talking about. He was forced by his editors to change that. But he has full rein on who he wants to kill.
I understand what you're trying to say Greg. It's starting to bother me too. Not to your extent though. I think what this all amounts to is that I just felt that it was becoming a serious problem for you and didn't want to see such an avid fan be pushed away from something so RELATIVELY trivial compared to the rest of the story.
But since you assure me you still love it, I'll kindly bow down and step back from this discussion.
But still I must ask do you have any idea why he's being so merciful? I mean he used to kill quite a few people. Off course not an exaggerated amound but he still killed :/
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Well if Whitebeard does go down, I know one thing it will be open Season on Pirates.
Even if the Shichibukai and marines go down this will be start a new age :D
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"Oh dear.
Stop jumping to conclusion please.Firstly,I doubt they add that 17 million bounty pirate to the fray.
Secondly,I don't think they recognise Sogeking and Brook.
So there's 3 extra.
And let's not forget they never have a good image of Sanji.4Futhurmore,I got a feeling they neglect Chopper and dismiss him as a "pet."
And wait…Chopper is in fighting mode as oppose to the one at his bounty picture... 55 extra
Worse come to worse most likely they recognise Chopper and that 17 million pirate. So 3.Now for some stupid prediction.
Law's Nakama.
Penguin --- 80 million
Bear ---- 60 millionKidd's Nakama
Long hair goth rocker --- 92 million
Tall dude --- 67 million
..elvis hair dude --- 45 million"
I'll give you Chopper and Brook, but the the odds are marines aren't retarded, they probably know who sanji is as well as ussop. And why would they not the 17 million captain? how much is Nami worth?
BTW, on a happier note, who're Penguin and Elvis?
Sorry for the looong reply.
Penguin is that cool-looking kaku-like dude next to Law and Elvis is one of Kidd's henchmen.You can see him walking when Luffy crashes on the auction-house.
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I always thought Whitebeard would meet Luffy. But I see him dying at the hands of Blackbeard when the Shichibukai meet the Whitebeard Pirates. At first I thought Dragon would end up saving Ace, but I don't see that happening. I see Ace surviving, because he will most definately meet Luffy again, but I'm not sure about Whitebeard.
Maybe once Whitebeard's dead Marco will become captain, and their soul purpose will be to kill the Blackbeard Pirates or something. But if you think of it that way, it's more likely Whitebeard will survive, except he will be injured in battle with Blackbeard. It's one way or the other.
I don't expect the Shichibukai vs Whitebeard Pirates fight until the end of the Fishmen Arc, just as the SHs are going to enter the New World. That way they'll sail right past it (as we know that if they sailed through it, they wouldn't stand much chance against some of the higher powers).
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I don't expect the Shichibukai vs Whitebeard Pirates fight until the end of the Fishmen Arc, just as the SHs are going to enter the New World. That way they'll sail right past it (as we know that if they sailed through it, they wouldn't stand much chance against some of the higher powers).
Oh yeah, that makes sense too. The news about the execution just was mentioned in the papers so it's not to happen right now. Furthermore both Marines and Shichibukai are both gathering at the moment, so they are not battle ready yet (which is the same reason why the Yellow Monkey has no problem to leave for a short while). And lastly it will take some time until the news meet Whitebeard respectively until he makes his move.
So yep, I agree with your idea, we could see how it turns out at the end of the Fishman Island Arc. Wouldn't make sense for the war to start several hours until Ace's execution became public knowledge.
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I'll repeat, why does the rocker Goth dude with the wild hair that's with Kidd look like a zombie and have a stitched up mouth? And why does Kidd's flag have the same thing on it? Did he raid Moria's island for Nakama or something? XD
Also, Seven, you forgot to make a prediction on the bounty for Law's nakama who almost passed out from Rayleigh's attack. Maybe he'll be Usopp's opponent or something. XD
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maybe wight beard will team up with shanks and take on the goverment
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From Shanks side I think that would be an option but seeing how arrogant Whitebeard is I doubt that he would accept any help. The too big ego is mostly what brings the downfall to such guys.
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Lulz.
How does this add to your point?
Come on Greg, you know the manji symbol has nothing to do with what we're talking about.
You asked 'WHY' Oda would ever censor himself. He has done it in the past. I don't care why or under what conditions, he's done it before. Now he seems to be voluntarily doing it. If he redid the series I'm not convinced he wouldn't have redone the whole Lucky Roo scene.
I think what this all amounts to is that I just felt that it was becoming a serious problem for you and didn't want to see such an avid fan be pushed away from something so RELATIVELY trivial compared to the rest of the story.
I am not 'pushed away' because of it, it simply degrades the quality of the series which is a damn shame. This has nothing to do with, "lack of death makes the series girly", as some ignoramous put it, it's a matter of tension and common sense. I never EVER had a problem with the lack of death in One Piece. I am wary to bring up yet again, I am one of the few who actually LIKES the fact that Pell didn't die and believe it only makes him a stronger character. But this is a completely different scale and is showing us a world very different from the one he brought us into.
That doesn't mean I'm going to stop reading the story. It just takes the quality down a few notches if he keeps up this absurdity.
But still I must ask do you have any idea why he's being so merciful? I mean he used to kill quite a few people. Off course not an exaggerated amound but he still killed
We know that Oda is a staunch pacifist and conveys that through the ideal characters (ie. role models for readers) in his series. For example, Luffy will not kill anyone. I personally don't mind that at all for the story. I totally agree that destroying their dreams is worse than death for them. There's no way in hell I believe in that ideal as applied to the real world, but for a comic book, I like it. At the start, One Piece was somewhat violent. We had self-inflicted wounds right off the bat, Lucky Roo shooting a guy in the brain, a guy getting his arm bitten off, a fellow eating his own leg, etc. etc.
Then on-screen death started to become vague or hinted at. Mr. 11 for instance, or the pig pirate. We didn't SEE them die or receive confirmation of their deaths but we assumed it. The same could be said later on for Bellamy.
Then Skypiea is where things got funky and everyone that should have died, clearly didn't. Again, there is room for discussion of how lethal Ener's blasts really were etc. etc. But keep in mind that often when we saw characters put in danger, we didn't see the outcome until much later. For instance Pagaya. We could have assumed he was dead and that helped sculpt Ener into a more ferocious villain.
And now, within single chapters we're seeing horrific acts of violence that are cofirmed sometimes pages later as being nothing even remotely life-threatening.
I think Oda is simply getting more soft as time goes by and his pacifism is affecting his story. It seems like he's AFRAID to kill now. Obviously he has some plans, perhaps some he has had in mind since the very beginning, for death in the series but wherever and whenever possible, he avoids it like the plague which is really despicable considering the content.
I won't fall back on the argument, "He showing us guns don't kill people.", because I don't think that's his intention, nor is it a bright conclusion to draw from the material. Rather my beef is when it starts to affect the logic of the story and create weak villains.
After everyone crawled out of the woodwork, combined with his ultimately insane plan (that wasn't as insane as we all originally thought), Ener felt….kinda like a pussy. The guy never really did anyone in. He shocked the shit out of a lot of people and he INTENDED to kill a lot of people but ultimately he was like the Black-frigging-Knight. Still, no biggie because at the time, Oda depicted him as a lethal force.
But just compare that shit to Arlong. He remains my favorite villain and the most threatening villain in the series because like Piccolo Daimaou, he was the first that showed no mercy on screen (Krieg might have been a candidate if Gin died). The fucker SHOT A WOMAN IN FRONT OF HER ADOPTED KIDS JUST AFTER THEY HAD BEEN ARGUING AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO MAKE UP. That is horrific. I am hard-pressed to think of a better example in any series of such a cruel act. It's why I tear up every single time I so much as look at that page. That is how you should craft your villains. Not all of them granted, an excellent example of creating a villain without making them 'lethal' would be Wapol. His cowardice and ignorance more than made up for anything he could or couldn't do to people. That was another great success for Oda.
But shooting people left and right, and I mean just 'normal' people in the OP world, and having them just be dandy or capable of recooperation? Sorry no. The closest to a good argument I heard in favor of such actions was from, I believe, Buuhan. He mentioned that it's designed to make them pathetic and incapable of anything. Yeah, you know, to a certain degree I agree with that. But when the common sense of your story suffers, it becomes a different beast.
I think Oda has just gone soft over the years and is trying to create a series with a more PC edge. He doesn't want to use death because he doesn't like it. Yeah okay, he had Merry die. Yes I cried. But it was still a ship. And even THEN he couldn't let go with Franky's line during escape, "The spirit of your ship lives on in this one!."
WHAT!?
Give it up already.
Oda has been building up to this war for a while now. And in a war, people die. If we don't at least hear of casualties it will be sad and if we see any more 'paracutes' the series will officially have deserved the criticism it receives from Naruto fans.
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Yep, your entire post confirmed what I thought.
The Death thing is making you dislike One Piece.
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Yep, your entire post confirmed what I thought.
The Death thing is making you dislike One Piece.
That jackass comment officially earned you your place among the ranks of:
Lobolover
LPS
Miracles
Jinbei
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$abZWas nice chatting with you.
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Am I wrong?
You said it yourself.
"it simply degrades the quality of the series which is a damn shame."
"It just takes the quality down a few notches if he keeps up this absurdity."
etc etc.
How was it jackassy?
I just stated what you said.
You don't like it as much anymore.
Hardly worth going on your shit list.
Maybe you just don't like what I'm saying because it's ringing so true?
Whatever.
Been nice chatting with you.
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Like my country: Ottakaa iisisti ja relatkaa. And i think wb vs sb is same kinda fight as Ace vs BB… or then its bigger scale war. But one thing is funny, so many Shonen Jump manga serie is starting war in somepoint. DGM=Dark order attacks, war kinda talk, Bleach=Wierd white suit gang start war, Naruto=That black hair it mofo is going to start "war" and now OP... yeah this is the real shonen stuff.
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Shut the fuck up Luffy Batter!! You have no right to tell someone their own emotions about anything. Are you a fucking psychologist? No? Then shut the Fuck up!! Even if you are, still shut up! The guy is just stating his opinion about a small nuance he has about the series. I'm sure the things he likes about One Piece far exceed the things he doesn't. Seriously bro, shut the fuck up.
You know, even if I agree with your position, your poor choice of words almost makes me want to take the opposing side. With such wording you only feed the trolls.
God you guys are all faggots
I take it that you're homophobe then?
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@Ali:
Even if the Shichibukai and marines go down this will be start a new age :D
Of Smiles.
Oh yeah, that makes sense too. The news about the execution just was mentioned in the papers so it's not to happen right now. Furthermore both Marines and Shichibukai are both gathering at the moment, so they are not battle ready yet (which is the same reason why the Yellow Monkey has no problem to leave for a short while). And lastly it will take some time until the news meet Whitebeard respectively until he makes his move.
So yep, I agree with your idea, we could see how it turns out at the end of the Fishman Island Arc. Wouldn't make sense for the war to start several hours until Ace's execution became public knowledge.
Man I hope you guys are wrong, coz I would like to see this battle ASAP.:) Or at least shown a calm before the storm type Chapter with Whitebeard sailing towards the battle field/to save Ace and Oda toss us a Flashback of what happened between Whitebeard and Shanks, or a World Power meeting, during the time SH Crew is making there way towards Fishmen Island.
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Shut the fuck up Luffy Batter!! You have no right to tell someone their own emotions about anything. Are you a fucking psychologist? No? Then shut the Fuck up!! Even if you are, still shut up! The guy is just stating his opinion about a small nuance he has about the series. I'm sure the things he likes about One Piece far exceed the things he doesn't. Seriously bro, shut the fuck up.
Now, now. Let's not be hasty and lose our composition or get bent out of shape over such tame postings on a message board. What's done is done and that's that. I tried to make my opinion clear and it was met with typical teenage flippant remarks. There's nothing one can do about that except refuse to associate his/herself with that behaviour.
That said, it's in no way better to start a swearing storm and personal attacks over something as low-key as this. A few weeks back I went a little insane in the Naruto thread but that was after page, after page, after page of nothing but pure crap. This was just a teen being a teen and that's all there is to it. Can't fight it so just don't respond to it.
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Man I hope you guys are wrong, coz I would like to see this battle ASAP.:) Or at least shown a calm before the storm type Chapter with Whitebeard sailing towards the battle field/to save Ace and Oda toss us a Flashback of what happened between Whitebeard and Shanks, or a World Power meeting, during the time SH Crew is making there way towards Fishmen Island.
Whitebeard making his move isn't that far off to expect. I mean we saw the WG's side take on it, so it wouldn't hurt to see the opposition too. But for the real war I'd say it's best to not expect in anytime soon. Saves everybody from huge disappointment and if it DOES come quick, then HOORAY!!!^^
Edit: Ok, now this entire death thing really doesn't make any sense. So far whenever someone came back, we could at least say that somebody was never confirmed to be dead in the first place. But reading Stephen's scripts (yep 502-504 are all out) just makes this entire Lacuba thing ridiculous. Here's the statement:
_Assistant: Nope, he's gone.Disco: Well, that's just great! There goes THAT investment!
Nobody's gonna buy a flippin' corpse!!
Hurry up with that mermaid, already!!_What the smurf? He has been confirmed to be dead. It's not a fan interpretation of images but it says so in the manga. And then he's alive again. This is no pacifist view, this is simply a screw up.
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OMG HE WAS A DEVIOUS TACTICAN!!!!
Or that is what some people will say to you. I' mactually with Greg's opinion except I think Crocodile was a great villain as well :)
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Shut the fuck up Luffy Batter!! You have no right to tell someone their own emotions about anything. Are you a fucking psychologist? No? Then shut the Fuck up!! Even if you are, still shut up! The guy is just stating his opinion about a small nuance he has about the series. I'm sure the things he likes about One Piece far exceed the things he doesn't. Seriously bro, shut the fuck up.
If you haven't noticed, the conversation was already over.
So you playing the hero was quite unnecessary and only made yourself look like an idiot.
And the shitstorm was quite immature.
Greg handled it better than you.
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i'm not sure if someone mentioned this already (i don't feel like reading some of the gigantic posts)
The marines talking on page 8 about Kizaru and the "troops" he's bringing. The one in charge seemed to be pretty worried about this fact.
Perhaps it's a clue to what sort of DF power kizaru has?
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i'm not sure if someone mentioned this already (i don't feel like reading some of the gigantic posts)
The marines talking on page 8 about Kizaru and the "troops" he's bringing. The one in charge seemed to be pretty worried about this fact.
Perhaps it's a clue to what sort of DF power kizaru has?
I still think the troops are Pacifistas. Why not? Kuma clearly said there was more than one of him. Kuma was lethal enough; can you imagine a squad of Kumas in action?
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Did anyone saw him? >_<
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@Fire Fist:
I still think the troops are Pacifistas. Why not? Kuma clearly said there was more than one of him. Kuma was lethal enough; can you imagine a squad of Kumas in action?
interesting. I didn't even think of that.
and it would be kinda…. ummm.. what's the word... Lackluster if Kizaru had a DF ability that controlled his own forces to fight for him (like a certain Shichibukai we've just seen beaten). I want something that'll suprise me.
I was very pleased with Law's ability. Gives meaning to "Surgeon of Death".
People shouldn't start stating "Hax" for his ability just yet.. we don't really know the extent of it's prowess or application. Looks nasty though.
And I hope Kidd's fruit isn't just a similar copy of the Paw Paw powers...
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Think it's too soon to bring those guys out.
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To those who think Luffy, Kidd and Law have a chance against Kizaru, I think you're wrong (from the other thread). Though it wont exactly be a walk in the park, I believe Kizaru could take all three down without a great amount of effort. Kizaru is probably around equal to a Yonkou, such as Shanks. Even though Aokiji was stated stronger, it wasn't said by how much. We know Whitebeard is stronger than Shanks but I doubt there's too much of a power difference, remember they both clashed quite equally.
Luffy still has half the GL to travel before he can reach the power of a Yonkou. Same goes to Kidd and Law. So I think Kizaru has it in the bag, should he fight them. Best way of Luffy escaping is by being saved by Rayleigh, but that's a problem because the Dark King doesn't want any recognition from the WG or he's done for.
About Fishmen Island, which is next, I expect to see Jinbei there, and I expect him to fall to Luffy, meaning that there'll be one less Shichibukai to fight Whitebeard Pirates, meaning the Whitebeard Pirates have the edge and Ace will live.
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Aw whatever. I was just grumpy. I obviously offended people so I'll apologize to those upset. I was tired and was about to go to sleep but then I just saw Luffy's last post and went on a rampant tirade. (that wasn't that much profanity, was it?)
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interesting. I didn't even think of that.
and it would be kinda…. ummm.. what's the word... Lackluster if Kizaru had a DF ability that controlled his own forces to fight for him (like a certain Shichibukai we've just seen beaten). I want something that'll suprise me.
Why not? Doflamingo's power also controls people, so having a third person who does that wouldn't surprise me. But I doubt that's Kizaru's power. The Pacifistas probably follow orders like any other programmed soldier, not by DF.
And I hope Kidd's fruit isn't just a similar copy of the Paw Paw powers…
It's not. Paw Paw Powers is the power of creating air pockets. That said, it can rebound objects, create air-pressure bombs, and cushion any blows to the point where they do little to no damage. Kid's power, on the contrary, seems like mere magnetism or even electromagnetism.
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Did anyone saw him? >_<
how to explain that:
in every friggin' 2 page of this thread, there's a frickin' noob who posted a pic of this guy and asked if others noticed him.
so…. yeah.
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guess we'll know after he uses it on something other than cannonballs.